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the helsinki commission will come to order. i want to acknowledge senator blumenthal. we appreciate him being here. let me just point out this is
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obviously a busy time for the united states senate as some of our committees are meeting simultaneously so members will be coming in and out. i apologize to our distinguished guest that there'll be an in an outflow of members in the united states congress during this hearing. we are so honored to have a real hero with us today. paievska better known as taira her nick name is well-known to the people of ukraine. today's hearing is my and russian captivity. we have seen from afar the atrocities that have been committed by mr. putin in russia and the unprovoked attacks on ukraine. we have seen that from afar but i must tell you there is nothing like a first-hand explanation
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and experience for us to have a better understanding of the atrocities committed by russia in this war in ukraine. so as we saw the conflict unfold in mariupol and the atrocities that were committed we will have a chance now to see first-hand footage of what happened in mariupol by the person who took those videos. taira was a volunteer medic trying to save lives and she did save lives during this conflict. she was able to take certain videos that she smuggled out and the "associated press" was able to put together. by way of introduction we will play a short video from the "associated press" based upon taira's footage which was smuggled out when the besieged
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city fell to let me caution everyone watching this video for obvious reasons it contains horrifying images of the reality of mr. putin's war on ukraine. we will start without video and i will have the opportunity to introduce taira formally. we understand there is sound with the video so we will try to get the sound fixed.
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[video playing] taira after the russian invasion of crimea. >> we are going to try to restart it. for two weeks ukrainian medic
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known as taira witness the daily horrors of war. she recorded 256 gigabytes of video to show the world what was happening in mariupol at as the russian invasion unfolded. [video playing] taira as a city press to get her footage safely out. on march 16, days after according taira and her colleagues disappeared. [inaudible]
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taira under calling after the russian invasion of crimea in 2014 days member of the ukrainian team she was going to be featured in the documentary on inspirational figures. when the first rockets landed she quickly jumped into action and turned on her camera. paramedics worked closely with her. [inaudible] it wasn't just soldiers. hours of footage shows taira with children including a brother and sister in the early days of the war.
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despite all the efforts to save him the dam -- the damage was too much below boy. she returned to close the eyes of the toy whose parents were also killed. [inaudible] taira treated russian soldiers.
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[inaudible] and one for less by the camera footage tyra attended two russian soldiers and she lanes wide. [inaudible] on march 21 a russian tv network announced taira's after saying
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she was part of a far right militia. no one has seen or heard from her sense. the ukrainian government credits taira with saving hundreds of lives during her career. her family and friends send a video -- it really is a privilege to welcome the indomitable taira paievska today for her exemplary courage having served on the front lines in ukraine since 2014 as well as her harrowing experiences in mariupol. taira is justly regarded as the national heroin of ukraine. you are a person who volunteered
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to help calm to deal with those caught in conflict to provide medical assistance. you volunteered. she's a symbol of the ukrainian resistance to russia's brutal war of aggression. her capture by the russian forces in march gripped the whole ukrainian society. a medic captured and -- for trying to help including the russian soldiers. linton you will testify to the conditions of her three months of captivity and her plight of those who remain unlawfully contained by russian occupation forces. taira will complement the testimony we have heard from previous hearings in july of life in ukraine's newly occupied territories regarding thousands of ukrainians arbitrarily detained eight and tortured in
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camps and the litany of russian violations of international humanitarian laws documented in the moscow reports another human rights reports. no report can adequately capture the first-hand experience and that's why we are so grateful you are with us today. before he turned to the doctor doctor is joining us for a more fulsome introduction of taira at like to acknowledge would have been her audience a ukrainian parliamentarian and ngos that have worked with regard to the humanitarian efforts and we welcome all of our international guests that are with us today. i also want to acknowledge senator shaheen a member of the commission who is with us. i will now turn and we are
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joined by the cochair of the commission and i want to give him a chance to catch his breath for one second before he turned to him. senator shaheen which you might tesla's to make any opening comments? >> i would like to thank you for appearing before members of the commission today and for your heroic efforts in ukraine. >> thank you. >> congressman cohen. >> thank you mr. chair. i've perceived calling this important meeting. i want to thank all the members who are here and we had an opportunity to meet members last night in an informative meeting and it's a privilege to host ms. taira who has done amazing work in and amazing experiences that she will share with us and its port and for the world and the american public as well to learn what's going on in
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ukraine. your bravery in mariupol in the war battle courageous, thank you. i can imagine what it would be like to live like that. you provided people aid and medical personnel to help those people. thank you. i look forward to the testimony today and what russia has done in ukraine needs to be known and it needs to be punished. it's and and it's deadly and life-altering. too many people for no reason -- conceptualized thoughts about
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president putin astro-planning three centuries. i thank senator cardin for calling the meeting in this commission will look after the situation in ukraine as a voice that's important to congress and the american people. >> thank you represented. united states stands with ukraine. we are with you so that ukraine can win this conflict and maintain their total sovereignty and the international community can hold those responsible for those atrocities accountable for their actions. today's hearing is another corvette process for us to get the information so we cannot only help ukraine maintain its
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sovereignty but also hold those accountable for the year atrocities. i will now turn to -- who needs little introduction. .. towards a victory in ukraine. dr. kagan welcome back to our committee. >> yes senator, commissioned members. i'm honored to speak of such an
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important hearing when ukrainian armed forces and ukrainian people are defending the free world from the devastation caused by the russian totalitarian regime that's going beyond ukraine's borders. i visited commission in april wearing a t-shirt with the photo of. in eight appeal to free taira by doing so i was educating the release of defenders. i still cannot believe that taira is testifying in front of you today. just two weeks ago, taira was back where she won three metals. two goals and one bronze. just two months after she was released from captivity. what an unbreakable spirit.
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i am so proud taira is here today. from the beginning of russian invasion in 2014, taira rescued 700 people. trained first medical aid around 10,000. the u.s. mission is to save lives. ukraine's admission is to defeat the solitary and colonialism. the clear objective is to destroy the ukrainian nation as a viable political entity through the war of obliteration. russia wants to break the ukrainian nation the same way sally -- is a genocide against ukrainians which took millions of lives in the last century. we are ukrainians for this is why it wants us to be killed. but they will never achieve the goal. ukraine's military victories the only way to restore respect for international law.
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to ensure the right of nations for choosing their own future. the way to demonstrate the totalitarian regimes are not allowed to attack their neighbors. and to do genocide. ukraine's mission is to ensure inevitability of punishment for international crimes bite russian federation and their leadership. i'm so thankful to the u.s. and western democracy were the humanitarian aid it. it is a game changer. successful that's another example help ukraine armed forces and ukraine is the most effective recipient of u.s. military assistance but the best way to help ukraine to win a faster is to provide more weapons and tougher sanctions
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and designate russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. and also, thank you to the representative cohen for his initiative to recognize russian aggression as a genocide. we all have dreams, big dreams and responsibility for them. when i was here in april, with a t-shirt free taira i had dream to see taira to be released. and now she is sitting today with us. and i have another big dream. one day to visit moscow which has memorials -- which will have memorials and victims of two genocides. an ongoing aggression. this is why the international and reparations to ukraine are key for international justice. all visa be a powerful signal to ukrainians who are still in russian captivity. we cannot forget the brave warriors of light. thank you for standing with
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ukraine. it is a time to win with ukraine. thank you, senator cardin for your leadership many times visiting ukraine from 2014 and actually conducting here in june also important briefing on the colonizing russia. i think your mission is a very proactive position in developing a strategy with russia pre-1991 when the soviet union was defeat of communist but not the defeat of colonialism. think of the victory of ukraine will seat never again totalitarian regime attacks any sovereign nation. in honor today share the painful experience when you have this opportunity to listen to her and help of my country to win faster. thank you so much. >> thank you very much dr.
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hopko. taira i understand you will give your remarks in english. but you have a translator because of the language issues. we certainly understand that. you may proceed as you're comfortable. again it's an honor to have them before before our committee. we admire your leadership and trying to save lives on the battlefield. and for the international community to understand exactly what is happening in russia's aggression. you may proceed. >> dear senator cardin. dear commission members, ladies and gentlemen.
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thank you for your convictions in keeping ukraine. my name is taira paievska. my friends call me taira. i originally was a resident in one of ukraine's federation. my grandfather was a world war two hero. now, as my country to this war i am a paramedic. my mission is saving lives. russians call me and not to like they call everyone. every ukrainian who defies him. the first 20 days of this war i sent in a which was hell.
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after that i spent three months in russian captivity. which was held too. i am not the one to make politician speeches. i am not a politician. let me just tell you the stories of which i was a witness. one of the residence along this -- [inaudible] the servants, excuse me, and confidence in a one which
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allowed me too survive and help. when my tormentors advised me too commit suicide, i thought no. i will see that happen. i wonder how far they can go in there madness and anger. i'm then one day when it seems there was no hope, someone looks into the peephole and called my name. get your things and get out. this is how my journey to freedom begins. [inaudible] of the filled the empire. this is when our army reaches the enemy from out our land.
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thank you, for you have given so much to drive them out. but we need more. i hope you are here not because of curiosity. i hope you are here in order to not allow this moment to happen. [inaudible] known to their relatives or the states as fighter he was beaten for three hours and then thrown into the basement like a sock. and only a day later someone come to him. a dead child in mother's arms. a 7-year-old boy with bullet
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wounds dying in my lap because i cannot work in this case. prisoners screaming for weeks in dying of torture without medical help. then came the torment of hell and the only thing they feel before this is abuse and additional beatings. my friends whose eyes i closed before his body close down, another friend, and another, and another. i see there's half a million people died before my eyes under the airstrikes airstrikes at
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hospital and residential areas. a hospital full of wounded soldiers and civilians the anesthetic has run out. and then the antibiotics have about run out too. soldiers and the entire medical staff sleeping two or three hours daily because soldiers one after another. the five or ten minutes where the wounded and dead are lying on top of each other. and it was impossible to understand even if you tried.
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burning cars with burning people in them. bullets taken out from under the women and children. mutilated beyond recognition. people collecting water. looted homes, dogs who run, dragging human links around the city. prisoners were forced to take off their clothes before us
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slaughter. especially in the torture chambers. the prisoners are absolutely the same. the only names changes in the paper. it does not change. no one is trying to investigate. evidence is obtained simply by using human torture. all of this is into the air of the middle age. i am a prisoner like thousands of prisoners, i speak for them.
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our soldiers were dying. they were screaming for six days. one screaming for six days and on the seventh his body was placed on the stretcher by his cellmate. in the prison guards took what was left of the soldier. another when dying from the tortured quietly for the six days. only later will we learn about his death due to a lack of medical assistance. and this is only a teeny part of
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what i personally know. russia is confident in the infinity of its propaganda as well as the infinity of its natural resources. they have a moral right to rage this war. since not our war. this is third world war. on the understanding this becomes global. russia keeps rising up and again, killing its citizens. the sacrifice that my people bring to the tower of freedom is
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the sacrifice for the world war. and i know that we will win. but, even after our victories over time will again get forces for aggression and history will go full circle. if nothing is changing. death, suffering, life. why? they killed the image and the sensible warriors, that no one
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idea of military honor. no human rights and customs of war are absurd. do we know why we do this to you? i answer because you can. he certainly did not expect such an answer. that is right they do it because they can. they are told by their leaders
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they have the right to do it. because out one time it was provided to them. because the world gives them such an illusion. the world was silence watching the crimes of russia in jordan, sierra. but the victories of the ukrainian army last week show us they can't. that their rights are just an illusion. this call awful. this is a piece of clay. the free world community has enough influence to stop this
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madness. we must start with the issue of prisoners and the fate of civilians in the territories of ukraine. the issue of prisoners exchange. [inaudible] reluctance on the russians corporate. although they choose not our strategy. all prisoners are mostly cap in the territory in the people's republic. the convenience for the russians
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are responsible. [inaudible] authorities of the republics to avoid the retribution. but everyone knows nothing is done in the occupied territories. nevertheless from a special service russia stands behind each of them. the world needs to insist the facilitation of the united nations and the red cross mission to our prisoners. both military and civilian because none has our people who
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illegally helped. [inaudible] in human conditions. the world needs to insist on the participation of the international community and officials in negotiation regarding prisoners exchange and release. this is currently our main issue. i am asking for your help in this. but the next ones their fight against the propaganda of russia. [inaudible] the fascist regime.
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the criminals rejected investigation. difficult support of victims they will deny the people of the world the right of life. no more and no less victory takes place in the hearts and minds. which is no less important.
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we have a lot of support. including our biggest one -- tech-support is excusing me the biggest one including the people of the united states are supporting our fight for survival directly. as well as the thousands of representatives representatives in both chambers of the united states congress. i would like to thank all of you for your strong voice of support and providing historic amounts
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of security assistance. an appropriation continued. as an compliance 1.7 billion of united states or more. to designate russia a state sponsor of terrorism. how asked to save ukraine, europe, and all democratic world. thank you. hugs well, thank you for your courage. and for your service to humanity by which you have done in
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ukraine, which you continue to do to bring this message to the world community. your testimony is a powerful testimony. you give a face to the victims. we hear the numbers, but you give us the specifics. and we recognize every one of those numbers represent a person's whose life has been changed forever and has lost his life. no human rights rules are observed. wait never thought we would see in our lifetime the country pursue a war and observe no rules or boundaries whatsoever. and you point out in your testimony, that nothing is done and the occupied territories
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without orders from moscow. mr. putin is responsible for these actions. you also point out they have violated international norms. the unprovoked attack on ukraine violated every condition of the helsinki final act. which is what this commission is about. and then you point out that russia has of violated every international standard and responsibility in regards to conflict. they have targeted civilians. before us is a targeted victim, a civilian, a medic trying to save lives. they violated every international on treatment of prisoners. your testimony points that out with specific examples of
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violating prisoner rights. you point out one of mr. putin's tools is to use propaganda, false information. the fight against the propaganda of russia's fastest regime because this is their primary weapon. i could not agree with you more. i'm going to ask a question that perhaps you've already answered. but i want to understand this. it were you imprisoned? you were there as a medic to help civilians and help soldiers who were injured. there is international protection for our medics that are there and conflicts. why were you targeted? and why it were so many civilians captured and
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imprisoned? was a part of the military strategy of russia to target civilians for military action against them? to be imprisoned and tortured, to show the ukrainian people there would be no mercy to anyone. is that what you experienced? why were you apprehended? why are you put in prison? close. [inaudible] cracks i was obtained during a document check.
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xi believe they're doing the same with other captives people in captivity. >> and the use of torture in order to falsify those allegiant crimes people were forced you can test. [speaking in native language] [speaking in native language] i have footage of russian propaganda were shown with people i know in person and fessing up things i do for sure they have never done.
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>> so i can well imagine what they did to those people in order to get those video recordings. [speaking in native language] all of this is done in order to release themselves of responsibility. and the aggression against ukraine. [speaking in native language] two reduce that image of merciless enemy. [speaking in native language] and me as an example, just look at me. [speaking in native language] in order to justify their crimes and their desire to seize my country. this is my personal opinion, thank you. >> of course that violates the geneva conventions and so many
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different ways. did you have any opportunity for any outside contact? talk a little bit about what experiences you had as far as being cared for while you are under captivity. [speaking in native language] >> at the time when i was detained, i already had a concussion caused by explosion of minds that were shot at the hospital where i was.
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[speaking in native language] i had strong headache and other conditions. i asked them to send a doctor. they told me i do not deserve that. [speaking in native language] i asked to allow me too make a phone call to inform my husband about where i was and what happened to me. they did not allow that. they said you have seen too many american movies. you have there will be no phone call. they took away all of my belongings including the
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medicine i need to take every day. i have my thyroid removed. for this reason i have to take a hormonal medicine every single day. it is called substitution therapy. but only after about ten days when i kept asking for that every moment i received my medicines back. and that's really a miracle has the attitude of theirs was about to give me anything. not to allow anything.
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he is same was with my medicines for asthma. [speaking in native language] they would not let me keep that medicine. and in order to get myself i would have to knock on the door forever until they would come and let me use it. thank god my aggravated conditions were not happening very often. because every time i would bother those poor guards, they would get very angry at me.
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rude talked to us was the norm. but they felt like it was just a normal thing to do. they took away all of the close i had except those i was wearing. for those three months i only had one set of underwear, the one i was wearing. one pair of jeans. one t-shirt. a little cardigan sort of. and a coach. that coat saved my life because
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it kept me from dying from cold. the conditions of keeping people in the cap tablet trent captivity was really inhuman. they captured me in march. when it was very cold. [speaking in native language] all of these cells but we were kept in different places. but all of them invariably had no window panes just bars on the window. it was always terribly cold. there were no blankets for us. and of course no pillows.
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and most of the time not even a mattress. so we slept on bunks made of metal. that is, itself was a kind of torture. in the course of those three months i was only able to wash myself with more or less warm water when they took us to showers, once. they refused to receive any packages of supplies of any kind. in my case, there were no relatives or family to come into bring such packages.
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but there were other girls in other cells who had family. but they could not receive this packages either. [speaking in native language] and i do not know if i should mention that. but of course no toothbrushes, no toothpaste, no claims of any kind. you can forget about that. >> thank you. congressman cohen? >> thank you mr. chair. thank you for your testimony and your life. when you were arrested, captured, do you believe if they knew who you were and what you had been doing? when i.
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michael: . [speaking in native language]. well, when the men and uniform of the republic security was checking my id, he saw my name and kind of remembered some information he knew. so he left, went inside and stay there for a few minutes. he was either checking a list or making a phone call to get, i don't know, orders. so when he came back he said i
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need to get out of the vehicle. and that is how it all began. >> and then when you were taken, i guess to a prison after that, were you treated differently than the other prisoners do you believe due to your past deeds? [speaking in native language]. >> and they did not treat anyone with politeness. [speaking in native language]. over some civilian girls, just a plain civilian girls. nothing special and they were beaten. just to scare them i think is why they do it.
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but of course, i did get special treatment. it is a very unpleasant for me too recall all of that. >> the troops from the brigade, or some of those individuals in the same prison as you work? [speaking in native language]. >> i was kept at different locations. but each of those locations, yes there were some guys from there. >> you have any reason to know or believe they were treated differently as well? [speaking in native language].
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the prisoners of war were treated with a special cruelty. [speaking in native language] for some reason also they have a particular hatred soldiers from ukraine military unit named eyed r. [speaking in native language] i heard from them something like it was their system and these recognized as terroristic organizations. >> it is amazing to me and has been that the roof russians refer to the ukrainians as
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nazis. but the only behavior that's been similar to nazis that i have heard of, is the behavior of the russians particularly in the incarceration are prisons that you have experience in that have heard about. >> is this a question sir? >> not really. >> you're absolutely right. >> thank you, thank you i yield back. >> are joined by congressman wilson who is the ranking republican member of the helsinki commission in the house of representatives. >> thank you cochairman and bid bennett card and holding the somber here hearing. we who have endured the worst at the war criminal potent our witness to date veteran a humanitarian taira paievska has provided life-saving medical
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treatment 200 has documented critical footage of atrocities committed by putin's murderous thugs and 2014. the civilized world is inspired by the determination of the people of ukraine. victory for ukraine is crucial in the conflict worldwide of democracy, rule of law, being opposed by authoritarian rule of gun. the world continues to witness unspeakable acts of brutality committed against those captured by putin's forces but perhaps most prominent are the images were putin's forces abound a theater filtering hundreds and where ukrainian heroes violently held off russian forces against all odds bruce critical the world to hear the stories of those who endured the worst under captivity and forced relocation. the evidence is essential to prosecution of war crimes when ukraine repels putin's forces and achieves a victory. [bell ringing] want to thank you
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to for your service. the world cannot imagine what you've been through. we thank you for taking the time to speak to the commission today. one of the most important bandits of the helsinki condition is to amplify the plight of victims of human rights abuses. it must champion this cause. and release of those currently suffering in captivity. and i now get to a question. that is, on february 24 i received a german newspaper correctly identified this war as a cell phone war. the significance of that is that putin atrocities can be exposed as never before. and so with that ability, you certainly made a difference with body camera footage. in a devastating account of the suffering caused by pollution. i want to thank you for the footage he made. i want to thank you for the extremely links you have made to get this to the world. with that in mind, or other
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persons able to use their ability to record and present to the world on the truth of what is going on ukraine? >> sir could you rephrase the question i am not sure i caught it. >> the question is this spirit with the ability of cell phones, you cannot hide anywhere in the world. in fact it gives an opportunity and conflict to expose the atrocities right away. so are other persons in ukraine using disability to expose the atrocities so that the world understands the inhumanity of what is being conducted? michael: >> i believe others are doing this too. if there is electricity.
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if there is cell phone connection they certainly would do it. [speaking in native language]. war is war and you not always have communication or electricity's. that is the first thing the enemy does is ruin communication lines. >> again, thank you for the success you made of overcoming that. another question, it is really sad the world is been subject to disinformation by putin. prior to your being captured, had you been subject disinformation? and additionally since your release has there been disinformation provided by putin to question your goals and your achievements?
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michael: . russian propaganda has created a whole film. [speaking in native language] i watched this film and it is obvious how fake it is. [speaking in native language] however it is sufficient for the russian you blame me for bad things. [speaking in native language]. personally i feel very irritated about it because all my life, all the time i spent in the war zone i dedicated to helping people. [speaking in native language].
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i refused it myself things in order to be able to do more and provide more for the military servicemen and civilians in need. [speaking in native language]. but their interest is in lies in order to remove blame from themselves. [speaking in native language]. i feel sad about it. but, as long as truth prevails, that will bring our victory.
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>> a final question, or criminal putin unintentional's unified and republicans in the united states. he has unified nato as never before without finland and sweden joining made out with 83n federation. and also to encourage countries like germany and adelaide to achieve the 2% defense spending. additionally he has unified the european union and unprecedented the european union its providing aid to the people of ukraine as never before. with that in mind, what more can people in the world do to assist the people of ukraine achieve victory? [speaking in native language].
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i think it is very important to conduct investigations of the crimes of the russian fascist regime. [speaking in native language] in order to reveal the lies and their treachery. so that we put an end to this aggression into all future intentions of such aggression. [speaking in native language]. it is very obvious that if they achieve victory in ukraine they were planning on living further into europe. so, collecting evidence, recognition of russia as a sponsor of terrorism, strengthening sanctions, and as
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you rightly pointed out, the world has to come together. has to unite. we are dealing with a problem we have never had in the world since world war ii. and then, again we need more. i apologize for saying this again, we are very thankful for everything you have given us already. but in order to do fill up the success we need more weapons. [speaking in native language].
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you can see, that your arms, your weapons are in good hands. we are using it properly, we are not using it against civilians or for anything bad. [speaking in native language]. ukraine is fighting the war with honor. and the one thing we need in part is anti- aircraft defense systems. [speaking in native language]. because they are feeling to defeat us in a land warfare they are trying to destroy us with airstrikes. and this is not only about the military which would be bad but not half as bad.
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but they are making strikes at critical infrastructure facilities. and they rejoice from that addil resources, air defense resources. but, like i said before victory is achieved in the minds and hearts. along with the strength and the power of weapons. i firmly believe in this. [speaking in native language]. and so i am asking to stand together against that propaganda influence.
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nine. russia has inherited the old traditions of the soviet union that respect. the traditions of that kind of propaganda. [speaking in native language]. [speaking in native language]. i would suggest that more work is done by specialist on that issue, how it russian propaganda impacts the mind of the russian people as well as people in the occupied territories. it is terrible in that. [speaking in native language]. with that said, without weapons, all of that will have no meaning. thank you.
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>> and as i conclude i agree with you. the dictator by accident revealed, indeed the aggression will not stop in ukraine. it will go to meld over it will then proceed to georgia for this would give encouragement to the ccp chinese communist party to go after taiwan. we note tehran we want to fulfill their goal and the people of israel and the people of the united states. your success is crucial to problem us. great leadership with senator ben cardin. thank you. looks well, again i want to thank our witnesses. the helsinki commission the u.s. helsinki commission, the days of the soviet union has been a voice for those who have been victimized by oppression. i want to thank dr. hopko for bringing your case to our
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attention. we think that is the only way that we can be the advocates for those who are imprisoned and who's who mineral rights have been a bridge is by putting a spotlight on it. so, this is an open invitation. if you have information about other individuals that may be in a similar circumstance that you were in, that we might be able to use our megaphone here to amplify their cause, please feel comfortable to get that information to our staff. we certainly never want to put anyone in greater jeopardy. but we do think putting a spotlight is important so that the oppressors know they are being watched. and knowing that we are taking action to try to help them. that is an open invitation from this commission.
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at any time if you have additional information about individuals we might be helpful in raising their concerns. because we are concerned about every individual who has been victimized. and we went to help those individuals. and putting a face on it, it helps us to get the international community more unified and energized to stop these atrocities. and to do exactly what you are saying, to provide the wherewithal so ukrainians can defend their sovereignty and win this war of aggression against russia. but to also hold the perpetrators accountable for providing information to us certainly helps us. your testimony today before this commission is a major step forward. and once again we thank you for being here. we thank you for your courage. we thank you for saving lives. and we thank you for what you are doing on behalf of the
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ukrainian people and as mr. wilson said on behalf of all of us that feel threatened by mr. putin's asymmetric arsenal trying to bring down our democratic systems of government. with that, the commission will stand adjourned. thank you. [background noises] him him him him him him him him
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we want to introduce you to reiner seidelman. he is the author of this book, the power of capitalism a journey recent history across five continents. reiner seidelman what are you trying to accomplish with this book. a lot of people blame capitalism. all the bad things in the world. it's sort of like a 30 rock's today, but i think that it's not true because i guess you only have one. number 200 years ago. if we talk capitalism, 90% of worldwide population lived in extreme poverty. today it's less than percent. i think it's amazing. sorry and what i do in this book,


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