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foreign competitors and are not subject to carbon regulations. u.s. refiners in this bill will receive 2% of the allowances starting in 2014 and ending in 2026, plus an additional .25% for small business refiners. that's over one half of the projected 4%. it their stationary source of emissions under the cap, as well as help improve the energy efficiency of refiners through technological and fee stock changes. to level the playing field, foreign importers and -- of refined oil must pay for carbon context of imported fuel just as our domestic producers have to do, madam speaker. and that's why i think this bill is a good first step. if i was writing it it would be different, but i'd like to ask unanimous consent to have my full statement be placed in the record. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from oklahoma. mr. lucas: madam speaker, i yield myself the remainder of
the time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman has 3 1/4 minutes remaining. mr. luke youas: my fellow members, let me rise to conclude the house agriculture, the republican portion of this discussion this evening and remind my colleagues one more time that this bill has a tremendous effect on rural america and production agriculture. when 115 farm groups send in letters, and food groups, expressing their on cig to the bill that says something. 115 groups. madam speaker, i would also be remiss if i didn't express my appreciation and the appreciation of my colleagues on the republican side of the ag committee to chairman peterson. he made, we believe a good faith effort in gaucheuations with chairman waxman to try to correct the worst features of this bill. unfortunately, -- in gaucheuations -- if in negotiations with chairman waxman to try to correct the
worst features of the bill. the underlying problem is, this bill will raise the cost of energy for the cost of agriculture, an energy intensive business. it will reduce our competitiveness with our competitors around the world. south america, asia, europe. but look at the way the so-called grand compromise on agriculture was put together. compromise is a phrase used in one of the electronic publication this is morning. indirect land use, where an agency of the federal government can determine how your corn farm or wheat farm affects farms on other continents and tell you the way -- to change the way you do your business. i know the bill says that can't happen for five years and we'll have a study and a moratorium for another year. but six years from now, six years from now, it comes at us like a brick bat.
the section of the bill talking about farms being able to be rewarded for good stewardship, carbon se quest ration and those kinds of mat -- carbon squest ration and those kinds of matters. the practices can only be rewarded if they began after 2001 you heard my friend of iowa talk about the percentage of corn farmers who adopted those practices before 2001. how do you explain to the folks back home that the good farmers, the good stewards don't get anything, but the bad farmers who waited until they were shamed or embarrassed into adopting the best practices get reward. renewable fuel. yes, we protect facilities that were under construction or have been completed or were under construction in 2007 and before. that doesn't apply to everything since then. if you've got a mature ethanol plant, you're in good shape. does that mean no one else can build an ethanol plant?
we on the minority side of the ag committee view ourselves as the conscience of the body. we have a responsibility to defend rural america and production agriculture. we thank chairman peterson for what he tried to accomplish but we believe it's not enough to protect the future of farming and ranch theaninged folks out in rural america. that's why we have to be united in our opposition against this bill. i'm a farmer by trade. i may not always be a member of this body, but i'm going home to oklahoma. i can't vote for this and go home to oklahoma. thank you, madam speaker. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: i'm pleased to yield to the vice chairman of the energy and commerce committee, the gentlelady from colorado, ms. degette, for 90 seconds. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady is recognized for a
minute and a half. ms. dedegette: i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. ms. degette: thank you, madam speaker. rye rise in support of this environmental legislation, probably the most important the body has ever considered. i will say to my friends who say it's not enough, we have we need to remember how important it is for us to put together a framework in place so we can assure energy independence and create jobs. in colorado, madam speaker, in 2004, our voters passed a renewable energy standard. the first time that it was done in any state by ballot initiative. industry opposed it universally, but yet it passed 53% to 47%. that standard was 10% by 2015, we exceeded that standard by two years. two years late every we came
back to the college slayture and doubled that and industry supported it. when people see the wonderful framework we're putting in place today for energy independence which will create jobs they will embrace this concept. they will embrace the concept of becoming independent from foreign oil and making sure that we develop clean alternative sources of energy which are going to benefit our children and our children's children. one last thing. according to the congressional budget office this bill will cost the typical family less than that of a postage stamp per day. i will say once we develop these clean alternative energy source, we will benefit because we will regain our place in the world as a leader in technology and as a leader in clean alternative sources of energy. i want to urge my colleagues to support this legislation which relies on scientific evidence to set our nation's policy. i yield back.
the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: i want to yield three minutes to the deputy ranking member of the energy and commerce committee, mr. blunt of missouri. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. blunt: i thank the gentleman for yielding. madam speaker, we both came to the house of representatives at the same time, we have not always agreed but i wish you well in your new position. this is the wrong direction for america and for the economy. the republican alternative many democrats could easily support would look for more american energy, more ways to conserve the energy we use and would invest in the future in a way that make ours energy future make sense. we have 28% to 30% of all the
coal in the world. if this was something that the majority wanted to tchork majority would be saying if this country could put a man on the moon in a decade, we can find a way to use coal in a way that doesn't create an immediate penalty on every coal-producing yule yu tillity in america. in mr. waxman's state, i have great respect for him, the primary spon soffer the bill, less than 4% of california's electricity comes from coal. in mr. markey's state, less than 24% of the electricity comes from coal. in missouri, more than 85% of the electricity comes from coal. we're not the top state. we're in the top 10, we'll be affected by this dramatically but so will everybody from, say, pittsburgh to wyoming. this is going to impact utility bills unfairly. it will impact job opportunity unfairly. frankly, the jobs we lose in our part of the country and the country generally are not
likely to relocate somewhere else in america. they're more likely, these manufacturing jobs, use lots of energy to locate in a country that has less environmental standards than we do. the ultimate lose-lose. we lose the jobs you put more of these things in the air than you would otherwise and americans suffer because of that. in our state, the estimate is that utility bills would go up 40% in the first five years, 80% in the first 10 years and even more after the various allowances are gone. this is unfair to american families and frankly, the less you can afford to put in new windows, new insulation, new everything else, the harder a burden this is going to be. i urge my colleagues to vote this bill down and work together to have a better bill for america and i yield back my time. the chair: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: i want to yield to the gentleman from
pennsylvania, mr. doyle, a minute with an option for another one if he needs it and i want to point out that the essential role he played in making sure this legislation protected those industries that are vulnerable to trade that might be at their disadvantage. i yield to him. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. doyle: today we have a historic opportunity to create thousands of clean energy jobs, to secure the country's energy future and give our kids and grandkids a brighter planet. we do that while protecting our industries like steel, aluminum, cement, and our rate payers, residential and industrial. i was prows to work on this bill with my colleague, jay inslee, to level the playing
field for trade pressures so we don't lose jobs. this bill wasn't going too cause jobs to be lost. this was a job created bill. you don't need to take my word for it. i have a letter from the international worker of the steel -- international president of the steelworkers union, people whose jobs would be on the line if we didn't get this right, who endorses this bill, says it will create more jobs for steelworkers in pittsburgh. we do that by rewarding efficiencies. we say to our carbon intensive industries, being average in your sector will make you whole. can i have an additional 30 seconds? mr. waxman: i yield the gentleman an additional 30 eckeds seconds. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. doyle: we encourage efficiency in our markets at the same time giving them a level playing field with their competitors. we do the same thing in the electricity markets. every one of my constituents
get their electricity from coal. we protect rate payers. 35% of allocations in this bill goes to protecting rate payers. this is not a job loser. this is not a rate hike for consumers. $173 a year for the average family in america as a result of this bill. that's a small price to pay for a cleaner planet and more jobs for america. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: i want to yield one minute to the distinguished represent from -- representative from washington state, mr. hastings. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. hastings: i thank the gentleman for yielding this bill was written in a fantasy land where unemployment isn't reaching 10%, thousands haven't lost homes to foreclosure and millions haven't witnessed half their retirement savings disappear. by imposing this national energy tax and creating a massive new bureaucracy to regulate the entire economy
this bill will drive up the cost of doing business in america, sending jobs overseas to china and india. nations that flat out refuse to reduce their own carbon emissions. we are told america must lead by example. are we to believe that after the government drives america's economy into the gutter, the rest of the world will do the same? america should not be the first lemming to jump off a cliff because nancy pelosi, al gore and others are convinced china and india will follows over the ledge. republicans have a plan to invest in more energy here yet democrats refuse to allow us a vote on this plan. i urge my colleagues to vote
no. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: i'm pleased to yield to the gentleman from illinois who made sure in this legislation, among other important cricks, that we looked out for the interests of low-income people. mr. rush, i want to yield a minute and a half. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from illinois is recognized for a minute and a half. mr. rush: i want to thank the gentleman and i want to thank you, madam speaker. today marks a historic chance to move our great country forward and transform our economy for the demands of the 21st century. i fully support this bill, it will not only make our country more efficient and energy efficient, but provide economic opportunities for our citizens while opening an entirely new sector of our economy. i must begin by thanking chairman waxman and chairman markey for their hardworking staffs and for all the work they've done to improve this bill as it made its way through the legislative process and onto the floor today. with the chairman's help, we were able to strengthen this
legislation by not only protecting low, moderate and middle income families from rising energy costs, but also providing real assistance for communities like the one i represent for new career pathways to move out poverty and into quality career oriented jobs in construction and energy-related fields. some of these provisions that we were able to get in the bill are the low-income allowances, 60% of all the total allowances go to low-income people. local -- targeted hiring for middle class careers in construction. low-income community energy efficiency programs. this low energy income efficient program will provide loans, assistance and grants to community organizations to provide financing to minority entrepreneurs. can i have an additional 30
seconds? mr. waxman: i yield the gentleman an additional 30 seconds. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. rush: the program which i worked with the gentlelady from california, ms. waters, as well as my colleague from vermont, mr. welch, is a program that provides grants to public housing agencies for energy retrofits and green energy. this is a great bill. this is a good bill. this bill should pass. i urge all of my colleagues to vote and support of this bill. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: madam speaker, i'd like to yield two minutes to a member of the committee, mr. rogers from michigan. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan is recognized for two minutes. mr. rogers: my appreciation to your years in the house, my congratulations and great success in your new endeavor. i agree, madam speaker, with president obama and warren buffett. under this bill, quote, electricity rates will
necessarily skyrocket. under this bill we cite the single largest energy tax in the united states history. warren buffett called it a huge tax. very poor people are going to pay a lot more for electricity, end quote. last night in my district a utility company calculated its estimate of what this bill will cost the families in my district. it will increase their electric rates by $2,500 a year. not your statistics from those who don't live in a place like michigan. $500 a year. and that doesn't incorporate the fact that their clothes will now be more expensive, their groceries will not be more expensive, their school supplies will now be more expensive. if you haven't noticed, people are hurting around the states. adding costs today is absolutely the wrong direction. it will destroy $1,400 in wages
for the average family in my district. $1,400. that's a $2,000 swing. people in michigan who are already under assault wants to know what they'll get for that new swing. they will not get a new nuclear plant. they won't get the electric grid to deliver clean energy. they will not get that. and they will not get a level playing field for china and india. and make no mistake, they want to steal the jobs that make up our middle class. they're active and addressing in doing it. if you pass this bill you won't be able to building anything in the united states of america. their jobs are going overseas. they'll also see their gas prices rise on average 70 cents a gallon. 70 cents a gallon to families who are already under financial crisis. and who gets their money? wall street will. this bill takes millions, billions out of families' budgets and launders it through wall street. the same people who brought you the credit default swap in the housing market are now going to sell you carbon offset swaps.
billions of dollars from average americans sent to wall street. that's no solution. if you want an economy built on foreign manufacturing and financial engineering, vote yes. if you want to still live in a country that makes things, in a country that grows its own food and actually produces its own energy, vote no. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: madam speaker, i at this time want to yield to the very distinguished chairman of the house armed services, the gentleman from missouri, ike skelton for two minutes. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from missouri is recognized for two minutes. mr. skelton: i certainly thank the gentleman for yielding. madam speaker, as a farm state representative, i've said for quite sometime that energy legislation must look after rural america. since first being introduced, the climb change w change measure has -- climate change
measure has made a difference. i first approached this legislation with great deal of skepticism. i've since been pleased that some, not all, concerns of utilities, electric cooperate tiffs and farmers have been address -- cooperatives and farmers have been addressed in the bill that is being considered today. as this bill is being drafted, i've heard fourth district residents and raised them with the house leaders to be sure the measure before us is not perfect. but it's a step in the right direction. i think it's important that we move this bill forward. after we pass it in the house the bill will receive additional refinement in the other body. i think that congressional leadership and the administration understand the concerns of rural america and i will keep working to make sure our point of view is more completely addressed in the final bill. truth be told, congress has an obligation to enact energy
reform this year given that the environmental protection agency, that is the e.p.a., is working right now to create tough costly regulations on greenhouse gases emitted from live stock, farms, factories and utilities. without congressional action, e.p.a. will have free rein. that is unacceptable to me and ought to be unacceptable to every farmer and business opener in missouri. unlike the e.p.a. proposal, the house bill would exempt live sfock and farms from green -- live stock and farms from greenhouse gas emissions. and it will allow farmers to profit from the practices by participating in the carbon market. i yield back. mr. waxman: i yield the gentleman 30 seconds. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for 30 seconds. mr. skelton: it would correct a problem that's been lingering since enactment of the 2007
energy bill. the next five years it would prevent e.p.a. from calculating indirect land use when determining how to implement our nation's renewable fuel standard. this is good news for ethanol and biodiesel production facilities and for the farmers who sell the goods to these facilities. energy reform is not just a matter of wanting to keep our planet clean. it's worthy and important to those goals. it's also a matter of national security. in recent years, the pentagon has taken a hard look at how climate change could have impact on global security and stability. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: madam speaker, i want to yield one minute to a member of the committee, dr. gingrey of georgia. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from georgia is recognized for one minute. mr. gingrey: madam speaker, we are at a crossroads. our nation faces significant challenges with unemployment nearing 10% and $1 trillion deficits piling up decades of debt for our children and our grandchildren. however, congressional democrats should not be so
short sided to make sure we can't make a bad situation significantly worse by enacting legislation like this bill that will only knock more americans off the assembly line and into the unemployment line. this bill will impose the pelosi global warming tax on every single american household and business, raising home electricity costs, gas prices and annual energy costs by almost $3,000 for every family. and the only reduction will be in our nation's gross domestic product by almost $10 trillion, and in the number of americans employed by the millions. madam speaker, washington cannot save this country. only the american people and the american ingenuity can. unfortunately, congressional democrats have already allowed the federal government to take over our banking industry, the automobile industry and now this house may very well vote to take over america's energy with control over health care not far behind.
let's stop this insanity. in the words of another californian, our distinguished former first lady, nancy reagan, just say no. and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: may i inquire about the time each side has remaining? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california has 44 1/2 minutes remaining. the gentleman from texas has 53 1/2 minutes remaining. mr. waxman: thank you. at this time i'd like to yield one minute to the gentlelady from illinois, a distinguished member of the committee, ms. schakowsky. the speaker pro tempore: gentlelady for one minute. ms. -- the gentlelady is recognized for one minute. ms. schakowsky: for over the century the united states has embraced on energy policy based entirely on fossil fuels that have had several dangerous consequences for today. this outdated policy has compromised our national security by making us reliant on foreign oil, has led the
united states to lag behind other countries in the research and development of new energy text nolings that would -- technologies that would created more jobs. now we have an opportunity to change directions. when i was back in my district last recess i could feel the crackling of new innovation. s.n.c. electric is making our electric grid much smarter and more reliable. northwestern university is asking entrepreneurs who are usings nanotechnology and using it to the electric window. and those 260 skilled workers from star window was rehired with help from the recovery bill that we passed. this is a few of the thousands of success stories around the country, and the 1.7 million good jobs that will be created with the passage of h.r. 2454. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman's time has expired. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: i'd like to yield one minute to a member of the committee, the gentleman from nebraska, mr. terry. the speaker pro tempore: the
gentleman from nebraska is recognized for one minute. mr. terry: there's a debate about the ant row poe logic impact -- anthropologic impact on our planet. we need to have our constituents to treat them in a manner that preserves our nation's economic competitiveness. advocates for the cap and frayed bill state that it will not significantly increase economic burdens on our constituents. this is just not true. the cap and tax bill also contains renewable electric standards and other elements which will significantly increase costs to utilities and consumers. the omaha public power district in my district conducted an independent anational sifts costs to my constituents free of political interference like the one put out by the e.p.a. even with the free allowances and allocated under the waxman-markey cap and tax bill, nebraskans will have to suffer
a $74 million bill in 2012, an increase to $410 million a year by 2030 in the most optimistic case. vote against this bill. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: madam speaker, it's my privilege at this time to yield to the gentleman from washington state, mr. inslee, who worked successfully with members representing interests from different parts of the country to find workable solutions that helped lead to the consensus product we have today. i yield him a minute and a half. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from washington is recognized for a minute and a half. mr. inslee: madam speaker, this bill renews some basic american values of confidence in ourselves, optimism about our future and a can-do spirit. we support this bill because we
believe americans still have the right stuff that we had in the 1960's when we went to the moon. and this bill calls forward americans' future to get off of foreign oil, to put millions of people to work in clean technology and to give our grandkids a chance at a future with a dent atmosphere like we grew up with. the people who are against this bill, i urge them to avoid the pessimism and the lack of imagination that i've heard on the floor of this. now, will this have some investment costs? yes. and what is the best assessment of that cost? it is the congressional budget office, a nonpartisan group that republicans typically rely upon. what have they said? they said this will cost a typical family of four 47 cents, the cost a little more
than a stamp. will we pay the cost of a stamp to get rid of five million barrels of oil a day from the mideast? you bet we will, and this bill will do it. will we pay a stamp to give our grandkids a future of an environment that will not destroy their health? you bet we will. will we pay a stamp to give people at the bright source company a chance? you bet we will. we're going to put a stamp on america's future for the price of a stamp. it's a good deal for our future. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: madam speaker, i want to yield one minute to the distinguished chairman of the republican policy committee, mr. mccotter of michigan. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan is recognized for one minute. mr. mccotter: thank you. today we will debate a bill by raising your taxes, taking your job and dictating your life. in my state of michigan with a 15% unemployment rate we know we cannot afford this cap and tax bill.