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announced, this is a jobs bill. this will destroy jobs. this comes from a administration that the stimulus bill will stop unemployment from going over 8%. the argument for this bill is nuts on its face. government cannot design our economy. it can only engineer our decline in poverty. but this job killing cap and tax bill is a fundamental shift from a manufacturing economy to an old green economy called hunting and gathering. passing this energy tax on working families in a recession shows this job killing budget busting government doesn't realize how much americans are hurting. the delusion that our families' economic future rests in the manicured hands of congress rather than the hardworking hands of the american people. i disagree and i urge the rejection of this bill. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: i'm pleased at this time to yield to the gentlelady from wisconsin, who is an important member of our
committee in both the energy and health areas a minute and a half. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady is recognized for one minute. ms. baldwin: the waxman-markey energy and security act has responses of epic proportions. global climate change must be addressed in a reel, meaningful -- in a real, meaningful manner. global gas emissions have put our security and our social structure at risk. if we fail to act that failure will reverberate throughout the century with a loss of human lives, destruction of ecosystems, declines in health and increased social conflict. climate change is a unique challenge in that our greatest
obligation in tackling this threat is to the generations of americans and people throughout the world who haven't even been born yet. the ones who will inhabit this planet long after we're all gone. the legislation we have before us addresses global climate change while spurring innovation, creating clean energy jobs, and containing costs. it brings what we need in terms of leadership and kit commithment as we look forward copenhagen and beyond. it recognizes that our nation's security, our planet's sustainability, and our children's future hang in the balance. i urge my colleagues to support this bill and commit to a clean energy economy that creates jobs and protects our health and national security and planet for generations to come. i yield back the balance of my time.
the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman's time has expired. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: i yield two minutes to the distinguished gentleman of the committee, a member of the energy solutions group and a tireless worker on behalf of energy solutions for america, mr. shimkus of illinois. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for two minutes. mr. shimkus: thank you, madam speaker, i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, so ordered. mr. shimkus: thank you, madam speaker. this bill is a disaster. let me explain who is opposed. rural america is opposed to this bill. the manufacturing sector is opposed to this bill. utilities are opposed to this bill. the transportation sector are opposed to this bill. why? because they believe democrats. they believe john dingell when he says nobody in this country realizes that a cap and trade is a tax. and it's a very big one. they believe barack obama when he said, under my plan a cap
and trade system, electricity costs would necessarily skyrocket. what's the result? they believe the pennsylvania public utility commission that says 66,000 pennsylvanians will lose their job. why am i so impassioned? these are miners who lost their job the last time we came to the well on climate legislation. 1,200 miners lost their jobs. $35,000 miners lost their job in the state of ohio. what will this do to the average american? here's an example. democrats came to power, a gallon of gas was $2.33. now it's $2.66. add the cap and trade cacks, add 77 cents, it's $3.43 for a gallon of gas. that's ok in the big city, but in rural america, where you have to drive long distances to go to school to go to the store.
why do we have the rich country -- rich places in this country attack the rural poor. how dare you do that to my constituents. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: madam speaker, i want to yield to the gentleman from new york, mr. wiener, who has been a very constructive and important member of our committee and played a very central role in having us recognize the essential part that transportation efforts can play in reducing carbon emissions. i yield a minute and a half. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for a minute and a half. mr. weiner: we'll be recognized for generations to come. the e.p.a. will have the ability to write the regulations. we're taking the -- taking the responsibility to do it here in this congress desm spite the con trarne views on this floor, there is a real global crisis
we face, despite the objections of my colleagues on the other side, there is a need to create new jobs and this bill would create 1.7 million of them. another reason we should support this change in our policy, ahmadinejad, the saudi kingdom they want exactly what my republican friends are advocating, don't do anything. keep pumping the same amount of petroleum, keep using the same amount of oil. every time we put our pump to our gas tank, we are helping the tyrants in iran and the tyrants in saudi arabia to export their terrorism. why do we keep doing it? we need to change our behavior and this bill recognizes it. it reduces carbon emissions and makes our earth safer, of course, but it also creates new jobs and takes away the lifeblood to the terrorist regimes. we can't come to the floor and say, i'm outraged by what's going on in iran, i'm outraged at what's going on around the world and then continue the
same policies, where we pay for them. that's what our present policy does. our policies are paying for the terrorists around the world, whether we like it or not this me -- the american people understand that. we need energy independence we need a thriving economy that creates 1.7 million new job we need to reduce carbon emissions despite the fact that people in this house deny its necessity. we need to act, that's what democrats are doing. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman ice time has expired. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: i want to yield one minute to the gentleman from california, mr. surf's up rohrabacher. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. wor balker: wake up, america. what's -- mr. rohrabacher: wake up, america. what's happening on the floor today is a putter -- power grab that will leave you with empty pockets and no jobs. the jobs will go to china and the economy will go to hell. worse than that, the scientific basis for the claims being made
to frighten us into accepting this economy destroying legislation are wrong. wake up america, there hasn't been any global warming, which is what we heard over and over and other again, there hasn't been global warming for 10 years. in fact, the icecaps are melting, yeah, they're melting on mars too. which to any honest discussion would lead to the conclusion that the icecaps are melting and these things are happening because of solar activity, not because of the activity of human beings. the science is wrong, the economics is wrong, you're going to cause great damage to the people of this country to their well being. 6 in the name of phony -- in the name of phony science, there are hundreds and hundreds of scientific leaders like dr. lindzen of massachusetts institute of technology that refuted the arguments. they're pleading with us, pay
attention to the good science, don't hurt our people base thond false claim of global warming which they don't even use that language anymore. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: i'm pleased to yield to an important and distinguished member of the energy and commerce committee, the gentleman from north carolina, a minute and a half. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for a minute and a half. mr. butterfield: i want to thank the committee for giving me this time this afternoon. the house of representatives is ready to pass this legislation that will literally save the planet. you can call it a cap and tax all you want to. you can say the science does not support this legislation. you can say that the scientifics -- scientists are wrong but i say republicans are wrong on this issue. we cannot afford to wait any longer to pass this legislation to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. chairman waxman and chairman markey should be commended for their extraordinary work in
reaching a good compromise to allow this legislation to advance to the other body. it saddens me our republican friends weren't partners with us as we crafted this legislation. but democrats understand the mandate of the american people and we are moving forward. one of my roles as the vice chairman of the energy subcommittee was to ensure that any increase in cost to consumers would be painless system of 15% of the allowances will be dedicated to providing a safety net for the lowest income americans. my district is one of the poorest districts in america. my constituents are low-income families and they need the assurance that their goods and services will not dramatically increase. i am pleased at the report from the congressional budget office that estimates that low-income household will actually see a net gain, not a loss, of $40 per year as a result of the legislation in 2020. the c.b.o. also says that it is estimated that the average cost per household as a result of
this legislation will be as the gentleman from the state of washington said 48 cents a day. i ask my colleagues to join with me in voting yes on this important legislation. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: i yield one minute to a gentlelady of the committee from nashville, tennessee, congresswoman blackburn. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from tennessee is recognized for one minute. mrs. blackburn: thank you, madam chairman. this is not an energy bill, it's a tax bill. they're going to tax the air you breathe. it's a transfer of wealth bill. the american people are figuring this out. our friends across the aisle have indeed become the party of punishment and my constituents in tennessee are being punished. listen to this. by 2012, we will lose 33,000 jobs. for the next 23 years, every year, it is estimated this bill will cause us to lose 25,600 jobs. the american people are figuring this out. we want them to know it.
when my colleagues come down here and talk about it being important and talk about it being historic, it's all from the negative. the impacts of the bill will shut small businesses. it will close family farms. it will shutter manufacturing plants and those jobs will end up in china and india. it will increase our taxes. the president told us so. every household is going to pay between $1,300 and $3,100 in new taxes every year. the cost of products will increase. the american people know the bill chooses winners and sers and the taxpayer is the big loser. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman yields back her time. the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: madam speaker, i wish to yield one minute to the gentleman from maryland, mr. sarbanes. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. sarbanes: thank you, madam speaker. i want to salud chairman waxman and chairman markey for their
work on this bill. when it comes to energy policy, the united states has been a sleeping giant. but the giant is beginning to stir. with the passage of this legislation today we'll awake ton a new era of possibility. that's what makes this so exciting. this bill, the american clean energy and security act is going to create a new framework and new space so that ordinary citizens and entrepreneur -- entrepreneurs can jump into the space and take us to the next level. what most excites me is that this is about the future. the next generation is going to take these clean technologies, they're going to take this knowledge and lead us to a new place. i urge passage of this bill and congratulate the a teches of it and i yield back my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from texas is recognized. mr. barton: i'm sorry, madam speaker. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas is recognized. mr. barton: thank you for
recognizing me. i want to yield one minute to the distinguished gentleman from oklahoma, mr. cole. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from oklahoma is recognized for one minute. mr. cole: i rise today to speak against this flawed cap and trade or cap and tax legislation. there's no good time for a bad idea, madam speaker this bad bill is nothing more or less than a national energy tax. the legislation will force american families to pay on average more than $3,000 a year in additional energy costs. the majority would like us to believe that passing this legislation will benefit all americans. nothing could be further from the truth. under this bill, energy producing states like oklahoma will be economically punished and devastated. residents in rural areas who must commute long distances to work will be disproportionately affected. rising fuel prices coupled with rising energy costs will force people to make ever tougher choices. many will face reduced living standards, spending less, saving less, going without many
items they need far decent life. for over 100 years the people in my state and district have worked hard to produce the energy that this country needs. now that energy is going to be taxed. taking away their choices, their jobs, their future just isn't bad policy, it's punitive and shameful. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back his time. the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: how much time do we have from the energy and commerce committee? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california has 36 1/2 minutes. the gentleman from texas has 46 3/4 minutes. 36 3/4, 36 1/2. mr. waxman: i'd like to yield to the gentleman from california, mr. mcnerney, for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california is recognized for one minute. mr. mcnerney: madam speaker, i rise in support of the american clean energy and security act. i'd also like to thank chairman waxman and chairman markey for
their leadership on this issue. before i came to congress i developed new energy technologies, and i've seen firsthand these industries develop by leaps and bounds the economic benefits of the american clean arge and security act will be profound. the bill will create jobs across the country in fields as divess as construction, engineering, education and others. these jobs will lay the foundation for long-term prosperity. the american clean energy and security act is also a serious commitment to combating climate change. it's long past time for our country to lead in addressing this threat. fuel emissions will be cleaner, healthier, air for our children and our grandchildren. i'm also proud that the legislation includes key provisions that i wrote, including language that will spur the development of a more efficient electrical grid and provide funding for clean energy job training. i also encourage that during the conference committee
process the opportunity is seized to strengthen the renewable energy standard. this will help ensure that the new energy project created by this bill will utilize american-made components manufactured by american workers. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. mr. mcnerney: thank you. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: i want to yield one minute to our expert on derivatives, spencer bachus. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. bachus: like what robert shapiro said under the clinton administration, we are going to create a multitrillion dollar derivative overnight. these will be based on carbon offsets. these projects, most of them we anticipate will be in underdeveloped countries or
foreign countries. almost all of them. and when you start a project, a clean coal project in china or india or you plant trees in about a zill, who pays for it? -- brazil, who pays for it? the american taxpayers. does it discharge pollution there? no, it absolutely you to discharge carbon dioxide here in the united states. before you vote for this bill, ask yourself, if the subprime lending market was hard to police, how do you police a derivative market based on projects in china and barnio? ask yourself. am i going to stick my constituents with the cost of clean coal projects in china? go home and explain that to your constituents. go home and explain how you're going to plant trees in brazil, they're going to pay for it. it's going to allow more
pollution here. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. members are reminded to address their comments to the chair. the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: i wish to yield one minute to the gentlelady from ohio, ms. sutton. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady from ohio is recognized for one minute. ms. sutton: thank you, madam speaker. i rise in support of this legislation, and i want to thank the chairman for his leadership and for working with me and other members of this house to address our concerns about manufacturing and jobs in this bill. this bill isn't perfect. i have yet to see a bill that is. but the status quo is not the right choice. we must unleash the entrepreneurial spirit of this country and provide the economic opportunities that our constituents need. this bill is part of that mission. it's not the entire answer to all that ails us, but let there be no mistake, this is a jobs bill. this bill has support from groups that represent workers. the united states steel workers, the u.a.w., the
c.w.i., and the afl-cio are all urging a yes vote on this legislation. madam speaker, the people i represent are facing difficult times. they're looking for jobs and sometimes they can't find them the way they used to. the inaction of the past has cost them dearly. there are those who complain that this bill is not perfect. they say it won't do this or it won't do that, but we have got to get started and keep acting until we get it right and provide them with the chance that they need for a change in direction. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman's time has expired. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: i want to yield one minute to mr. iowa agriculture, mr. latham of iowa. one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from iowa is recognized for one minute. mr. latham: i thank the gentleman. i thank the speaker for the recognition. everyone understands we are in a middle of a downturn in the
economy, a recession. it's difficult to create jobs. we have the second highest tax rate in the world. we have the most onerous regulatory burden in the world. we have the most litigation in the world. so how do we create new jobs? well, it's not with this tax and cap bill. i tell you in china today they must think that christmas is coming in june. if you look at this box here, it says to: china. from: the u.s. congress. let's see what's inside of it, ok? that's what's inside of it is u.s. jobs. this is going to cost $17 -- 17,000 jobs in iowa in 2012 and each year after that. and nationwide 2 1/2 to three million jobs will be -- 2 1/2 million to three million jobs will be lost because of this bill. let's not put another burde let's not make us less competitive in the world.
let's not destroy hope for the next generation, which this bill does. please vote no and save our country. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: madam speaker, i'm pleased at this time to yield to a real leader from the state of iowa who has taken an active role in this and so many other policy areas, mr. braley, for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from iowa is recognized for one minute. mr. bilbray: madam speaker, this is a de-- mr. braley: madam speaker, looking at the chairman holding his grandchild in his hands is what every member in this body is going to have to face when they look in the eyes of their children and grandchildren. where were you on this pivotal vole in our nation's -- vote in our nation's history? where were you when we were trying to free ourselves from foreign oil? why were you when we were debating this bill? this bill won't cost jobs in
iowa. it will create thousands of jobs in clean energy. that's what the message is i am sending to my children. that's the message i am sending to my grandchildren. this is the time to break away from mideast oil people. set a new policy for our energy future and send a message to the world that we will be leaders, not followers, when it comes to climate change. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: madam speaker, i want to yield myself 30 seconds just briefly. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. barton: according to the c.e.o. of mid america energy which serves most of the utility customers in the state of iowa, the bill before us will raise utility prices for every residential customer in iowa $110 a month or $1,320 a year. that is not a job creator in iowa. that is a job killer in iowa. i now want to yield one minute to a distinguished member of the committee from the great
keystone state, mr. murphy of pennsylvania, one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from pennsylvania is recognized for one minute. mr. murphy: a headline in yesterday 80's pittsburgh paper says more are suffering from the recession, according to the poll. and this is the time to give people in pennsylvania and throughout the united states hope. pennsylvania was built upon energy. we have abundant supplies of coal and natural gas and water and that's why steel is there. we invested in technology labs and we still have hundreds of years of coal. folks, this is the time we need to improve the efficiency of wind and solar so we can have them as energy resources. but let's not abandon steel because you can't make them without coal. let's make sure we invest in clean coal. this is the time when we say to kids, right now we get about 35% of the energy out of a lump of coal. and it does pollute. what we have to do is clean it up, invest in that and build clean coal plants. whoever figures out how to do that, that's nobel prize material. that's the scientific
technological and educational challenge of our generation. and what's more, you can't have the lights on without doing that. let's do all of the things we need to do. but this bill is not the way to do it. we can solve these problems. but we can't rush into it the way we are doing it now. thank you. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: madam speaker, at this time i want to yield to the distinguished sole representative from the state of vermont, a man we're very pleased to have on our committee and has been a leader on so many bills and this bill he refineded us that efficiency is the way to go to use less fuel. i yield one minute to mr. welch. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from vermont is recognized for one minute. mr. welch: there is little doubt that oil is a finite resource and we are at or near peak oil, the threat to our economy need, the need to act urgent. and while our friends on the
other side say how it will affect jobs and utility bills, those legitimate concerns have been exhaustively addressed in this legislation. but what they fail to acknowledge is that the cost of inaction is great in lost opportunity for jobs, a cleaner environment and a stronger economy. many of the new jobs in vermont and around the country are related to the new clean energy economy. madam speaker, today congress will make a very fundamental decision. will america confidentially and he directly declare a policy of american energy independence? will it unleash the talents of our scientists and engineers, empower our entrepreneurs and manufacturers? will it put to work our carpenters and plumbers, through efficiency, through renewable energy, through the new technology for coal? the great decisions a nation makes, madam speaker, is always about facing our problems, not retreating from them, about the conquest of hope over fear. i yield back.
the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: madam speaker, could i inquire as to when the majority is prepared to go to the ways and means committee's time? mr. waxman: when our time expires for both committees. perhaps we ought to let you take additional time at this point. we've used far more than you have. mr. barton: my question is, when is it the intention to allow the ways and means committee to use their time? is that in the next 15 minutes or is it around 3:00? when is your inclineation? mr. waxman: will the gentleman yield? perhaps we can inquire of the chair how much time is still available to the energy and commerce committee. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california has 32 1/2 minutes remaining. the gentleman from texas has 43 3/4 minutes remaining.
bartbrt i just need a planning estimate to tell members on my side when we will go to the ways and means. i am not being argumentative. mr. waxman: why don't we discuss that informerly. mr. barton: all right. i'll yield to the gentleman from the pelican state, mr. scalise, one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. scalise: thank you, madam chair. i want to thank the gentleman from texas for yielding. i stand here to strongly oppose this cap and trade national energy tax that's being proposed to be created here today. one of the things we heard is about jobs. let's talk about jobs. national association of manufacturers estimates the united states will lose three million to four million jobs if this bill becomes law. the president's own budget director has said american families will see a $1,200 increase per year on their electricity bill if this bill becomes law.
that's the policies that they're trying to pass. that's the policy we are stanng up and opposing today. and if you look at the bill, let's talk about job loss. they have 55 pages in this bill dedicated to job losses. now, why would they put 55 pages in the bill dedicated to job losses if they didn't think this was going to lose jobs and run those jobs over to china and india? and the real irony is for those who think that we need to reduce carbon emissions, this bill will actually increase carbon emissions because when that steel mill moves to the united states from brazil four times more carbon is emitted to produce steel in brazil than in the united states. and not only do we lose jobs, they emit more carbon. in is a horrible idea to erect the american economy. we need to defeat it and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: madam speaker, i wish to yield to the gentleman, mr. dingell, from the state of michigan and chairman emeritus of our committee so that he and