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american jobs and financial innovation. and while i and many of my colleagues would have liked to strike the derivative language from this bill, we understand the need to move this process forward and section 358 will allow us to have a clean slate. despite the mess at a.i.g., derivative markets helps creates jobs much and if we don't get this right many of our financial sector jobs, in particular in new york, will disappear or shipped offshore. madam chairwoman thank you for agreeing to the inclusion of section 358 in the manager's amendment. i and i look forward to working with you and having future discussions with the senate and white house. mr. frank: i take back my time. you know have the answer listening the gentleman address myself, mr. markey, mr. waxman
and mr. peterson. how many chairmen does it take to answer colloquy. could i have another minute to answer the colloquy. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from from massachusetts controls the time. the gentleman from massachusetts has another minute. . mr. frank: he's been an articulate advocate of the functions of the financial community in new york in which many of his people in new york live. we agree with him, myself and members of the financial services committee and agriculture committee. chairman peterson and i have worked with the gentleman from massachusetts, mr. markey and the gentleman from california, mr. waxman. and we are hard at work on a comprehensive and i believe responsible proposal for regulation of financial derivatives in their entirety. and it will under the terms of this bill become the operative
war. so what we have here is a placeholder, to tell members about it. earlier about it two met with mr. peterson and myself. i am optimistic that we will have a proposal that responsibly and appropriately toughly regulates derivatives without doing them harm. the gentleman is to be congratulated to make sure that will be in the bill. mr. peterson: thank you, chairman frank and for all the chairmen in your strong leadership in crafting this important legislation and reaching out to form this consensus. with this i ask my colleagues support h.r. 2454. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman will state his parliamentary inquiry. mr. gohmert: i tried to get a copy of the bill. we have out here on the table 2454 that has 1090 pages in it.
i understand there are another 300 pages that was added in the middle of the night. how do i get a copy of the other 300 pages that people here on the floor hadn't had a chance to read or see? where do we get that before we slam this, cram this down on the american people? the speaker pro tempore: the amendment is printed in the rules committee report. mr. gohmert: in the rules committee report. and, madam speaker, where would i get that report? the speaker pro tempore: the rule was passed earlier today. mr. gohmert: i'm sorry. the speaker pro tempore: the rule was passed earlier today. mr. gohmert: the rule was passed earlier today. the speaker pro tempore: the rule was passed earlier today. gomefwome that says basically we're -- mr. gohmert: that basically says we're going to the floor without people getting a copy.
the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is not asking a parliamentary inquiry. mr. gohmert: well, i'm asking an inquiry because i really want to know. normally the rules require we have access to a copy of the bill so we can look at it. the speaker pro tempore: the amendment was included in the rules committee committee report. -- in the rules committee report. mr. gohmert: there's one copy in the rules committee, is that the answer? the speaker pro tempore: it was part of the rules committee report that was part of the rule that was passed earlier. mr. gohmert: it was part of the rule that was passed earlier today. but where is a physical copy i can get and read, look at? the speaker pro tempore: the chair is not responsible for disseminating these documents. mr. gohmert: the chair is not responsible for disseminating copies. i appreciate that. i was asking where to get a copy. i congratulate you on the new
position. i don't know where we can get the 300 pages here. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: madam speaker, i'll ask a parliamentary inquiry. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman will state his parliamentary inquiry. mr. barton: is there a copy of something we're voting on in the house of representatives? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman has not stated a parliamentary inquiry. that the chair can answer. mr. barton: all right. let me digest that, madam speaker. in the meantime, i want to yield one minute to the distinguished congressman from california, mr. mcclintock, one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california is recognized for one minute. mr. mcclintock: i thank the gentleman for yielding. madam speaker, when we talk about herbert hoover's mishandling of the recession of 1929, the very first thing that economists point to is the tariff tax that imposed new tariffs on over 20,000 imported
products. i believe the waxman-markey bill is going to be looked back at our generation's smoot holly act. it imposes new taxes on a larger number of domestic products on a scale that you hadderly diverts smoot holly. at least you can say it made it more smoothly with imports. waxman-markey hurts domestic products. we, too, were promised an explosion of green jobs a few years ago. instead, california's unemployment rate has skyrocketed to one of the highest in the country. i believe that if this bill becomes law history guarantees you two things. number one, the planet will continue to warm and to cool as it's been doing for billions of years. and, two, congress will have just delivered a staggering blow to our nation's economy just at the time when it's most vulnerable. and i yield back.
the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from massachusetts. mr. markey: we would like to reserve at this time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from massachusetts reserves his time. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: i have another parliamentary inquiry. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman will state his parliamentary inquiry. mr. barton: is there a rule of the house that requires a copy of the pending legislation to be present in or near the body? the speaker pro tempore: the chair is not aware of such a rule. mr. barton: beg your pardon? the speaker pro tempore: the chair is not aware of such a rule. mr. barton: so you are not aware of one? the speaker pro tempore: not aware of one. mr. barton: i appreciate the honest answer. i yield one minute to the gentleman from pennsylvania, mr. dent, one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from pennsylvania is recognized for one minute. mr. dent: thank you, madam speaker. i rise in strong opposition to this national energy tax.
this bill is all cost, no benefit. i want to read some exexperts from a letter that was sent from the pennsylvania public utility commission. this bill will have a profound adverse impact on the commonwealth of pennsylvania. if the bill was passed, pennsylvania is looking at bleak scenario. a net loss as many as 66,000 jobs, a sizeable hike in electric bills, a significant downward pressure on our gross state product. the cost estimates are staggering. congress has a responsibility to ensure that legislation enacted on this important topic is in the best interest of every state and region in the united states. residents of pennsylvania will be severely and disproportionately harm. it will be impossible to raply or stop using gas powered power plants without causing protected or reliability problems. is philadelphia ready to acquiesce -- by displacing thousands of jobs and increasing utility bills for residential taxpayers? we hope not. that's the pennsylvania p.u.c. i say save jobs, save money,
vote no. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from massachusetts. mr. markey: the chair recognizes the gentleman from rhode island, mr. langevin, for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from rhode island is recognized for one minute. mr. langevin: i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized. mr. langevin: i thank the gentleman for yielding. madam speaker, i rise today in strong support of the american clean energy and security act, and i thank our leaders who made this bill a priority, especially chairman waxman, and the gentleman from massachusetts, mr. markey, who worked tirelessly to bring this bill to the floor today. i have long been an advocate for reducing harmful carbon emissions and investing in the clean energy economy. the effects of climate change are already beginning so we must act now for generations
yet to come. by he increasing the renewable energy standards and investing in domestic clean energy jobs shes, this bill is directing our nation towards sustainable and economically viable energy future. this bill establishes five programs to protect consumers from energy price increases. i will say that again. it establishes programs to protect consumers from energy price increases. i urge my colleagues to vote yes on the american clean energy and security act. it is time for america once again to lead on sustainable energy. thank you and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: i have one more parliamentary inquiry. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman will state his parliamentary inquiry. mr. barton: if a bill for which there is no copy were to actually pass this body, could the bill without a copy be sent to the senate for its consideration? having no copy?
the speaker pro tempore: the official copy will be at the desk and the chair cannot comment on extra copies. mr. barton: the official copy will be at the desk. could i inquire as to when that copy will be at the desk? or is it -- parliamentary inquiry. is it necessary that the official copy be at the desk in order for final passage to occur? the speaker pro tempore: the official copy is always at the desk during consideration of the bill. mr. barton: then where is it, madam speaker? the speaker pro tempore: at the desk. mr. barton: is it now at the desk? is it now -- i appreciate the congressman who brought it in. oh, that's not it. that is not at the desk. well, while we research whether the official copy is at the
desk, i want to yield one minute to the gentlelady from oklahoma, congresswoman fallin, one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from oklahoma is recognized for one minute. ms. fallin: i am outraged, here we are getting ready to vote on a piece of legislation and we have not even seen 300 pages of legislation. nobody can find the bill or know where it's at. and we are talking about major policy that will change america and will be a large increase to america's taxpayers and here we don't know where the bill is. i am shocked how we are leading this house as we go on intsdz day holiday. our -- independence day holiday. our first priority should be addressing jobs. and economists can tell you one of the surest ways to prolong a precession and to damage an economy is to raise taxes. my friends on the other side of the aisle apparently didn't get that memo. this plan for carbon emissions taxes amounts to a $646 billion
tax increase on the american public. and it will have a negative effect upon every american family, upon business, upon family farms, and families' energy costs will increase. in fact, it is said that utility costs can go up anywhere from 30% to 50%. not to even mention what cost increase will be upon a manufacturing plant. madam chair, i hope we get a copy of the bill so we can at least look at it before we enact this policy. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman's time has expired. the gentleman from massachusetts. does the gentleman from massachusetts continue to reserve? mr. markey: i continue to reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from massachusetts continues to reserve. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: madam speaker, i am going to ask unanimous consent for a brief recess to find the official copy that includes everything passed at the rules
committee last night because i am told that what is at the desk is missing 300 pages. that cannot be the official copy. the speaker pro tempore: is there objection? is there objection? mr. markey: i would object but ask the gentleman to yield to me, if he would. mr. barton: why don't you reserve -- mr. markey: i reserve the right to object. mr. barton: i'll be happy to yield to my friend from massachusetts. mr. markey: i thank the gentleman for yielding. the manager's amendment, which is i think what is of concern to him, is on the rules committee website that can be accessed right now by and has been there and available for any member or any citizen of the united states to be able to read. it is on the website. mr. barton: do members have access to the website on the floor of the house? mr. markey: in the lake-cook room there is access -- in the cloakroom there is access to
it. we have similar technological access in our cloakroom. mr. barton: in the cloakroom but not the floor. mr. markey: it is also available at the desk. mr. barton: reclaiming my time on the gentleman's reservation on the unanimous consent request. what is at the desk that is physically available for any member of this body who's engaging in debate is not apparently the official copy. it is missing 300 pages. now, what's on the website is almost immaterial because it's unprecedented in this gentleman's history in the congress and not have some -- usually at least two copies that both sides can access during the debate on the floor. mr. markey: will the gentleman yield? mr. barton: i'm asking for a 15-minute recess so we can get a copy that we can access. and i'll yield to the gentleman on his reservation.
mr. markey: there is a copy of it up there on the speaker's podium, at the desk. mr. barton: it's missing 300 pages. mr. markey: it is not missing the 300 pages. they'rall up there. everything you're looking for is up there next to the speaker. . it is available for anyone and everyone to have access. it's sitting right up there. the 300 pages are right up there. mr. barton: i ask unanimous consent request to give me a minute to go down and look at that and see if it is actually 1,300 pages. mr. markey: i have to object at this time, because the actual document is sitting there right now and has been sitting there and has been on the website for the entire -- mr. barton: the gentleman does object? mr. markey: i do object. mr. barton: i yield one minute
to price the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas will state his parliamentary inquiry. mr. gohmert: i was just at the dais, but apparently the official copy of the 1,090 pages are there and the additional 300 pages are sitting beside it and the clerk is having to go through and is in the process as we speak of going through and figuring out where the extra 300 pages that's been added goes in the official copy. so even as i speak, madam speaker, the official copy is not truly the official copy because it doesn't have all the amendments in it. and since the rule says there is an official copy at the desk, my inquiry is whether it is truly an official copy if it does not
have all the pages in the official copy. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk is currently executing the order of the house in h. res. 587. mr. gohmert: to put the extra pages into the official copy. but is it required that it actually be a full official copy put together before you satisfy the requirement of having an official copy at the desk? the speaker pro tempore: two components of the official copy are there together. so it is, in effect, the official copy. mr. gohmert: so the two together are in two different piles being worked out together is the official copy. i appreciate the explanation. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: i'm parliamentary
inquirey out. i yield one minute to mr. price. the speaker pro tempore: mr. price is recognized for one minute. mr. price: madam speaker, this would be humorous if it weren't so dog gone sad. this will impose a massive tax that the president's own aides have admitted it would cost $2 trillion. the president boasted about the enormous cost saying under my cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket, unquote. indeed, this plan would increase taxes on american families by $3,100 and raise their energy bill by $1,500. this will force many businesses to outsource jobs overseas or close their doors all together, which will cost over a million jobs annually. it will have little or no impact on the environment. many experts believe the environment will be adversely affected, since many companies
will be forced overseas where emission or environmental standards are nonexistent. hundreds of groups, hundreds of groups since the u.s. chamber, the national association of manufacturers oppose this legislation. tax and government watchdog groups including the national taxpayer union, citizens against government waste oppose it. it's bad for business, bad for the environment and bad for the american people. just vote no. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from massachusetts continue tory serve? mr. markey: i continue to reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves the balance of his time. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: i yield one minute to the distinguished californian, mr. bilbray. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. bilbray: madam speaker, i think somebody who has spent a decade regulating air pollution, i look at this bill of what i can read. i have come to the conclusion that the greatest threat of the earn virmente -- environment is
the smoke that is coming out of back room deals to put this package together. people can talk about clean coal. clean coal is as logical as safe cigarettes and that is trying to be sold in this document. i have to say in all fairness, what i see is a huge tax scheme that doesn't fulfill the mandates that the u.n. convention on climate change says the minimum. it does not fulfill the need of the environment. it's late and short in this. madam chair, we have seen legislation come over this floor before. 20 years ago, this body approved the snake oil called ethanol. and today we still don't have the bravery to admit the mistake and correct it with this bill. we continue the past mistakes. the difference is the fact that it will take 150 years to correct the mistake that congress is about ready to do if he we pass this legislation.
i look forward to having to spend the next 100 years trying to correct this mistake. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from massachusetts continues to reserve? mr. markey: i continue to reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from arizona, state your parliamentary inquiry. mr. shadegg: i want to clarify the point that my colleague from texas, mr. gohmert was making before and make sure i understand this. this is the printed version of the bill that went to rules last night. as i understand it, these are the 304 pages that make up the manager's amendment. and together, as i understand the chair's ruling, this constitutes the official copy, is that correct? the speaker pro tempore: the clerk is currently integrating the pages of the amendments with the original copy of the bill. it is available for people to see. it is right where it is meant to be and yes, it is the original copy. mr. shadegg: parliamentary inquiry.
intrading? the speaker pro tempore: integrating. mr. shadegg: further parliamentary inquiry. each of these pages as i understand it could change a page in this matter and so the clerk is presently trying to meld these two together so you can't read this without also reading this and this modifies any given page in this, is that correct? the speaker pro tempore: the clerk is executing the order of the house according to its terms. mr. shadegg: i thank the gentlelady. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: madam speaker, i want to yield one minute to the the gentleman from missouri, mr. akin. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from missouri is recognized for one minute. mr. akin: thank you, madam chair. i'm the ranking member on the armed services subcommittee on
sea power. we've talked a lot about climate change and global things and taxes, but my concern is very specific with this bill. i have had a chance to tour the huge shipyards where the steel frames go up and the nuclear reactors go into our ships of the mighty navy. and every single step of the way there is energy involved in making the steel and making the aluminum for the aircraft, heavy, heavy uses of energy in welding the steel together. if this bill passes, it is a major threat to heavy industry, because it increases the cost of energy. when we increase the cost of ships and planes, we're going to be able to buy less because we aren't going to have enough money in the defense budget to be able to buy as many and in that regard we become more vulnerable as a nation. this bill, while it has not been talked about in this regard is a serious threat to our industrial
base and therefore, a threat to the security of our nation. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from massachusetts continues to reserve his time. mr. markey: i continue to reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: i have been so confused by the parliamentary inquiries. i have lost track of time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas has 13 1/4 minutes remaining. the gentleman from california/massachusetts has 17 3/4 remaining. mr. barton: i yield one minute to mr. neugebauer. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. neugebauer: thank you, madam speaker. one of the things we have in texas when we have someone who is pretending to be a cowboy, we say that fellow is all hat and no calt. and a lot of people represent this is an energy bill. this is not an energy bill. it's all tax and no energy. and some of the people were talking about the fact that
we're going to make america more energy independent. it does. this bill does not make america more energy independent. we write countries a check for nearly $1 billion. we get to send $15 billion in 2012 to countries so they can plant trees and give us credits. doesn't that make a lot of sense? what this bill is and i think the bill is appropriate, cap and trade. it will cap energy production in america and trade away american jobs. i think the american people are concerned about jobsite now. we have families losing jobs. we have families that are trying to pay their utility costs. they are trying to afford their gasoline and yet we have a bill down here that is all talk and no bill. don't vote for this bill. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. without objection, the gentleman from california -- mr. markey: we continue to reserve our time.
the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: i reserve my time, because they've got more time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas reserves. the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: i'm pleased at this time to yield to the gentlelady from the state of maryland, one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady from maryland is recognized. ms. edwards: i rise today in strong favor and support of the american clean energy and security act of 2009. and i'm going to tell you, i was a reluctant comer but i commend chairman markey and chairman waxman for their work and dedication. this is a big step towards ensuring that our children live in a better and cleaner environment and protect our planet for future generations. the glaciers are melting and some may question the science,
but i'm not one of them. by the time a child born today in 2009 reaches first grade, we will reach peak carbon and without a doubt, we must use every tool attainable to respond. this bill is one of those tools and perhaps our strongest yet. it's my hope that as we continue forward that we will increase our investment in renewables. that we will ensure that we preserve and protect our planet and reverse the warming of our earth. i want to thank the chairman. and despite my concern, i support this bill strongly and i urge my colleagues to join me. and the statements made earlier today questioning global warming underscores the importance of this legislation today. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from -- >> unanimous consent request. the speaker pro tempore: state your request. >> i express my opposition to
this bill and insert something into the record. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, so ordered. the gentleman from texas. mr. barton: i yield one minute to another great californian, mr. royce of california. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california is recognized for one minute. mr. royce: i don't know where this ends. this cap and trade bill would give washington 17% control of the economy. nationalizing health care, which is next on the majority agenda here would give it another 16%. the federal government right now runs general motors. the government has a huge equity stake in many of our financial institutions. this congress is relentlessly plight ising our economy and this bill is a job killer and won't achieve its objectives and i'll give you an example. the bill does nothing to encourage nuclear power plant construction, a sure job creator, a source of clean energy.