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seriously, everything has to be on the table. in the act of putting things on the table, it will feel like to those within the military and the other agencies that their problems and their jobs are under threat. what you do not want to have happen in the next couple of months is a demoralizing effect where people only hear about various cut bloated and not understanding the contexts that they are made in, the strategic trade-offs, etc. >> i agree, but we keep talking like this group was going to include defense cuts. defense cuts was the fallback position. this group needs to be focused on entitlements and taxes. >> commodity markets council.
my question is specifically for stephen hadley. we have been talking about your report. i think if i understood correctly, one of the recommendations was to increase spending on the navy. i would like to understand more about that. why, specifically, the navy, and not the other branches? we have also been concurrently talking about some of the other non-defense foreign spending, whether it is democracy promotion, foreign aid. could you help us understand what an increase or decrease would look like in that foreign budget? >> the navy is all about asia. if you look at over the next 10 years, the u.s. has a huge interest, as does the rest of the global, of what happens in asia. if you look at the projections of economic growth, and alice is
the expert on this, it is all asia. secondly, everybody talks about the major emerging countries -- china, brazil, india. i call them the major surging countries. the integration of china into the global system is a very big challenge for all of us. china is the big player in asia. it scared a number of our allies in that region. it is very important, if we are going to participate in asia's economic growth, and if we are going to provide a stabilizing growth in asia as we have since the end of the second world war, we need to be present in asia in every dimension. with our diplomacy, with our military, which has a reassuring effect on our allies, and says to china, we have some capacity
there if they adopt a more aggressive posture with respect to our allies. our navy 15 years ago was 500 ships. now we are predicted to go around 200 ships. and the. that needs to be covered by water is not any less. we have a problem with trade. asia is being knit together with trade agreements and we are on the sidelines. that is driven by the need to be present in asia. second, the point is, since world war ii, we have spent a lot of money and resources to learn how to recruit, train, exercise, fight, and improve our military. and it has given us the best military in the world by far. it is a huge resource. that is why when we talk about defense cuts, we have to be
careful not to squander that resource. we have not made anything like that effort to develop the civilian capabilities that will go in after a conflict and help rebuild countries and governmental institutions, train their police, stand up law enforcement capability, get economic activity going, increase the confidence in their government to provide services. all the things you need to do post-conflict to get a country like afghanistan or iraq on their feet. also, pre-conflict, so country to not descend into violence. we have not made the kind of investment to invest in these kinds of some building capabilities, the way we have with the military. it is very hard to call on the country to do this when we are in this budget crunch. i grant that.
but over the long term, i think we need to invest in these kinds of capabilities. that is why i hope we follow what bob gates said, and at the same time as we deal with our budget capabilities, we do not do it on the backs of these kinds of capabilities which not only need to be preserved -- if anything, they need to be expanded over the next decade. >> the australian strategic policy institute. the question sort of follows the previous one about those broader principle that will guide the kind of cuts the u.s. is facing. this debate has been much about the internal dynamics, but the size and shape of the u.s. military has real implications for allies, such as australia. countries for us and south korea who are growing their military
quickly in response to the points that you made of the changes in asia. my question is, what are the implications of these cuts coming through in the defense budget here, for grand strategy, if you like, and grand strategy in asia? >> i think you have hit upon another one of those principles. through this process, not within the super committee, but within the pentagon, the broader policy community, as we are wrestling with this over the next five months, the principle is to keep your friends in the 10th. that relates to engaging with allies both about this process. the first level of engagement may be, for all -- frustration we have with other allies
reducing their defense budgets, they now have lesson learned to pass on to us. the other thing about it is looking for where our alliances are creating capacity that is doubled, rather than american we be sharing? in particular area in asia, the air force is moving towards what they call the air-sea battle doctrine, which is designed to deal with the growing threat from anti-ship, anti-submarine or capabilities emanating from a asian power that shall not be named. the problem of that doctrine is that we have not engaged with our allies about that doctrine. even though it relies on those allies. a similar thing with nato. we are doubling up.
there is also another aspect. a tough message needs to be sent out to other allies that essentially we are not in the position to do some of the 20th- century thing that we were before. to put it correctly, we cannot both be creating capacities and only one party willing to use them. something that we have seen in libya. we are getting to the point where we will have to say, you either get in the game, pay for someone else to play, or we are not going to provide that service. that is the tough part of this dilemma we are facing. it is an import reminder, though, talking about the comparison between the american budget to other powers out there. i did it myself in comparing this to the chinese budget. the difference of why we spend so much, we are a global power with a global network of
alliances, and there are real relationships there. regardless of decisions that i would disagree with in terms of where we deploy force in the last decade, we have engaged in certain discretionary operations, but we have some other injuring alliances that do not change. we cannot look at this just as going back to 2001 levels. >> i agree with that. australia has been a terrific ally. when we need somebody to be with us, australia has been there. some of our european allies, europe needs to decide, are they going to have a real military force or not? the size of their force are shrunk, they do not work together in an integrated way, and we are seeing this in libya. europeans will need to make tough choices on where they go with their defense establishments, even as they deal with some severe economic
problems. >> another question in the front row. >> i am a washington lawyer. i do not see how this special committee can be a success unless they faced the whole question of meaningful tax reform. both commissions talk about 1.1 trillion -- $1.10 trillion in year.x expenditures a maybe it is not fully $1.10 trillion accessible. but what impact can this committee have?
even if you take away a loophole for one particular group, it is considered a tax increase by this group of people. so what do you think the chances are? >> i could not agree more. i think tax reform that increases revenues is essential to the success of this committee, as is the entitlement reform that reduces future growth. those are the two imperatives. if they are successful in bringing forward a package that includes serious tax and the entitlement reform, and it probably cannot all be done at once. but at least good steps in that direction. then we are not going to have this conversation about the defense budget. we will have moved forward from
a precarious position in which and we might clearly face of a double-dip recession, and worse, to a sustainable budget. you are right, we have to do two things, and this is the committee that can do it. >> another question. >> american foreign services association. i want to go back to a point that you made earlier about integrating defense and diplomacy more tightly. i think that makes a lot of sense, but in terms of the current budget debate, do you think it has been put in competition -- especially considering secretary panetta's vigorous defense of state budgets -- the fact that defense spending is popular with the public. in some cases, foreign aid is not popular at all.
how do you think we get past these incongruities to get to something like you described? >> it is a case of be careful what you wish for. one of the problems is, foreign aid sounds like a giveaway program. americans, unfortunately, tend to understand it as such. they think it is a much bigger portion of the federal budget than it really is. they do not really understand purposes and believe it is much more substantial than it is. so to counter that, the bush administration -- the clinton administration tried to do this as well. foreign aid is not exactly foreign aid. foreign aid is something that we do overseas advances our national security interests. we were interested in putting these kinds of development programs into the national security context as a way of protecting them from cuts.
fast forward two years to the deficit problem we face, having succeeded putting them together. now it is a bit of a hobson's choice. the whole package has to shrink, so the concern is we will preserve defense spending at the expense of these items. i think it is right to think of it as an element of our national security shanty. there is a risk that they will suffer as a result. the only way to do it is to have a discussion so that people understand what those programs actually do, the contribution they do make to national security. bob gates was front and center on that. i think you will see leon panetta, when he gets into it, picking up the drumbeat. a lot of the supporters of these programs are u.s. military.
our men and women overseas have seen the value of these programs. it is the reason why we need to have an informed debate on this subject. because there is a risk there. >> my name is katie public. i am from "the wall street journal." last week, president obama highlighted the increasing challenge of the unemployed veterans, especially those returning from iraq and afghanistan, unemployed in greater numbers than other groups. i wonder if there are any discussions that you have participated in. any chance that cuts to the defense budget could have an adverse impact on returning veterans, given the department of defense has played a role in
helping them through the transition process? >> i think people will be pretty sensitive to that. if you look at the quadrennial census review, they talk about the commitment to maintaining the all volunteer force, but they also talked about the commitment to veterans. jim cartwright, a vice chairman of the joint chiefs, retired last week. i went to his retirement ceremony. one of the things that he said that i think resonate with the audience, and i think, will resonate with the american people, is our men and women who have gone into harm's way on behalf of all of us -- and too many of them have come back grievously wounded. we have a lifetime commitment to these people. this is not just to get them back, he'll their moons, and then get them started on the integration on society. we have a commitment to these people that really extends
through their life. and i think the american people get that. one of the big differences between the iraq experience and the vietnam experience is that the american people really love this military and they respect it. you see it when military people go through the airport and people spontaneously break out in applause. i think the american people and get it and will provide support for these programs. i hope the people tasked with these responsibilities will keep that in mind. if i could say one thing. on this tax thing -- and this is way outside my expertise. i will just say one thing. i think a lot of republicans, particularly, conservative republicans, when they hear "balanced approach, they hear tax increases. when you are in a situation when the economy is soft, the last
thing you want to do is increase taxes. >> immediately, but nobody is talking about that. >> exactly the point. we need a measured debate on this. there are some republicans who would like to see some tax reductions. some who would like to see the corporate tax rate reduced. so the question is whether we can be wise enough and clever enough to basically get people to say, you may get some tax relief, but the only way is if we can do some closing of loopholes and other things like this. i think one of the problems of this debate has -- is it has gotten politicized. shocked, i know. we need to have a sensible discussion on this. we have a huge deficit problem and we have a soft economy. the last thing that we need is a
double dip recession. again, i am way outside of my ear -- >> know you are not, you are saying all the right things. taking time elements, for instance, one has to make the same point about making medicare and social security and medicaid. one would only reduce those benefits with a lot of lead time. but people do not understand that. you talk to people in the street and they say, i need my medicare, it is going to get cut. nobody has been talking about cutting benefits immediately, or indeed, raising taxes immediately. it has not been part of the conversation, but people have such fear and they are are afraid of it. i made this point on a television program recently. no one was talking about cutting
medicare or social security immediately. and then i got a bunch of hate mail saying, yes, they are. >> a couple of questions to take together and then the panel can respond with some final observations. >> first of all, i wanted to applaud steve and peter for recognizing the importance of asia and air-sea battle. a lot of the challenges, however that are being faced, our air and space power. the u.s. being a stabilizing force in space, as you discuss some of your principles, how prominent will the considerations of the industrial base be to protect that give the u.s. that distinct and asymmetrical foreign policy freedom of action that relies upon global warming and surveillance that relies upon air mobility that rely upon our
ability to have air superiority to reach out to touch the world and make effects were needed. >> before we get the response, ma'am, over to you. >> thank you for bringing up the balanced approach with asia. my question has to do with business. that is our whole focus. i believe the next battle will be economic, and right here in america. could you address why we are cutting the budget? would there be a purpose to build capacity among small businesses here, in defense of our own jobs, to protect jobs for veterans? in case the chinese come here and established companies here, with support with their government. would there be any sort of transferring the budget from
defense, air force, other weapons, into the budget to support our small businesses? >> i think we will work the other way from which we began. peter, if you could begin. >> i wanted to touch on the part question about veterans as well. this goes back to the principle of cutting the chatter. folks within the military -- and i have experienced this through conversations recently, and even last night. starting to phrased things in terms of, but what if my job gets cut? thinking about making their decisions based on what offices, what service, where they go, based on what they think may happen in the budget. we need to realize there are real people behind this.
what we do not want to happen is a sentiment of someone coming back from afghanistan or in iraq, and the vibe given of thank you very much and we will see you later. the second part of that, we need to be clear in our discourse related to the pentagon. and this is not just in discussions. even things like promotion strategy. that we do not turn cost cutting into the holy grail. we are talking about war fighters. but i'm seeing that starts to happen right now. that concerns me. this aspect of war fighting is what distinguishes a veteran from another kind of benefit program, entitlement program. you are still talking about men and women who are being asked to go into harm's way on behalf of the nation. to the point of what we can do
related to the industrial base in asia and the like, i think, it hits on the idea of where are their capacities that will be needed more in the 21st century versus the 20th century? another reason we cannot just go back to the 2001 budget -- in 2001, you did not have a cyber command. you did not have -- >> we are going to break away from live coverage and take you to des moines, iowa and the state fair for day-long coverage of republican presidential candidates, starting off with herman cain on your screen. he will be speaking at the des moines register soapboxes area. speakers throughout the day include rick santorum, ron paul, tim pawlenty, and many others. you are watching live coverage on c-span.
>> i appreciate you, sir. >> thank you. >> your name is -- >> carol. >> nice to meet you carol. >> you spoke to our reporter here, joshed. >> i remember joshed. he tried to ask me a couple of gotcha questions, but he is fine. now, he was a good guy. >> we had a quite extensive rendition, a piece talking about your cancer fight. we had a profile of you in the paper. >> so what is this crowd looking for, red meat?
>> mitt romney was our first soapboxes speaker yesterday. something unusual happened. there were some hecklers out in front. >> did we make sure to check for him this time? >> that was unusual for us. although they did not interrupt him when he spoke, it was during the question and answer session when things got kind of lively. so you will try to have to control that if it comes. is it 20 minutes and then questions?
>> i am doing peachy keen. >> i thought that you started at 6:30 in the morning. she tells me it o'clock 30. >> back alive at the iowa state fair. coverture republican presidential candidates. we will hear first from herman cain. he will get started shortly. speakers include ron paul, tim pawlenty, and newt gingrich. >> welcome to the presidential soapboxes, i am the editor of the register. our first candidate this morning is herman cain. he is a former georgia businessman and is seeking a republican nomination for the presidency. let us give and i will welcome
to mr. cain. [applause] >> thank you, carol. thank you. good morning. >> good morning. >> i love that grading. it sounds like you are energetic and ready to go. so am i.. happy to be here in iowa at the state fair. i heard you all have something called a pork chop on a stick. i just sent my staff out to get me one. in georgia, we eat pork chops for breakfast, lunch, or dinner, so i feel right at home. i'm glad you are here, and thank you for stopping by. thank you for giving me the opportunity to share a few thoughts about this great country that we live in. the first announced and i want to make that might be different from the way that others do it, we are an exceptional nation,
the united states of america. ina cain presidency, i will never do an apology tour. we have nothing to apologize for. the founding fathers got it right. the founding fathers got it right when they said we hold these truths to be self-evident , that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain, in a new level -- unalienable rights, and among these rights were life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. it did not say anything about a guarantee. it said the pursuit of happiness. it did not say we needed to establish a department of happy in washington, d.c. we do not have a department of
happy in washington. but the pursuit of happiness is under attack. it is under attack, but we can take it back. that is why i am running for president. we have become a nation of crises, but we can fix them. we have been economic crisis, an entitlement crisis, and immigration crisis, an energy crisis. we have a foreign-policy crisis. and the biggest crisis we have is a deficiency of leadership crisis. [applause] and next to national security, and getting this economy going is job one. here is how we do it. first, recognize that the engine to economic growth is the business sector, not government. the business sector. [applause]
and in order to get the engine driving this economy, we need to put some fuel into the engine. that is why in the first 90 days as president, a i am going to ask congress to send me legislation that will lower the top corporate and personal tax rate to 25%, 0 taxes on repatriated process cheese, and take the capital gains tax to 0, and make all those tournament -- permanent. that is how we will put fuel in the engine. now, once we get the economic engine moving, then we can address a lot of the other issues we face. a lot of the other issues we face. when i was growing up as a young man in atlanta, i never said or dreamed that i would run for president monday.
-- one day. that was not what i wanted to do. growing up, i came from a humble family. my mother was a domestic worker. my father was a barber, a janitor, and chauffeur, all at the same time. dad knew that he needed one job to put food on the table, his second jump to keep a roof over our head, and the third job to save for his american dreams. just like your parents. dad wanted us to get a better start in life, and we did. that was able to achieve his american dreams, even though he walked off a farm at the age of 18, literally with just the clothes on his back. he achieved his american dream is the old fashioned way, he worked for it.
[applause] that is one of the reasons i am running for president. because i want our children and our grandchildren to be able to have the same opportunity that we had. i want our children and grandchildren to be able to grow up in a nation where we get government out of the way, government off of our backs, and out of our pockets, because it has gotten out of hand. [applause] like i said, the founding fathers got it right when they talked about the pursuit of happiness. the founding fathers got it right when they talked about limited government. the founding fathers got it right when they talked about individual responsibility and individual liberties. that is what we have to get back to. when i was doing my radio show in atlanta, before i ran for
president -- i was on the radio for five years. but when you run for president, according to the came fine gold rules, you have to become unemployed unemployedmccain- feingold rules, you have to become unemployed. those who are running, they can keep their job, but i could not. i think it is a bit of a double standard, but that is not going to stop the. i am learning that the american an appetite for a non-politician. i have never held public office. [applause] i am a business problem solver. that is what i have done all my life. i happen to believe those same
skills will work in washington, d.c. from the white house. i happen to believe that. [applause] and when i give my speeches inside the belt way sometimes, i will have someone stand up and say, your ideas about replacing the tax code with a fair tax, that all sound well and good, but you cannot do that. my response is, what do you mean do that? well, you do not know how washington works. my response is, yes i do. it doesn't. [applause] work.sn't why do i need to learn what it does not work? you will be sending aid to washington, d.c. to change washington, not become a part of the culture in washington, d.c. [applause]
here is how we are going to change it. former senator everett dirksen popularized the statement, when they feel the heat, they will see the light. the heat comes from the people. my job, once president, is to be a president of the people, by the people, and for the people. not for the politicians, not for washington, d.c. that means i am going to listen to you, not listen to the lobbyists, or the establishment. the people in this country are crying out to the top of their voice. we, the people, are still in charge of this country, and we want to take it back. that is what the people are saying. and so when people ask me why
i'm running for president, like i said, it is for the children and grandchildren. i will never forget when i look into the face of my first grandchild in 1999. the first thought that crossed my mind was, what do i do to make this a better nation and better world? not know the answer then. 12 years later, i believe i know the answer. 12 years later, i believe i know the answer after a lot of prayer, soul-searching, a lot of prayer and soul-searching. that is when i made the decision to run. i love it when people say that i do not have a chance of getting the nomination, that i do not have a chance of winning the presidency. all that does is inspire me to
work a little bit harder and longer. i love it when they tried to count me out. [applause] love it. but here is something they do not know about herman cain. i have been going against the odds all my life. this is not anything new for me. when i took over godfather's pizza, it was supposed to fail. they had already predicted it was going to go bankrupt. it did not go bankrupt when i got there, surrounded myself with the right people. why didn't we fail? i did not get the memo that we were supposed to. i did not get the memo that america cannot fix its problems. that is why i am running. but i have been going against all odds per run my life. let me tell you about another
instance, back in 2006, where i beat the odds, which is another reason i am running for president of the united states. in 2006, i was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. the doctors told me i had a 33% chance of survival, three out of seven. well i told the doctor, i am not going to be among them 30%. i am going to survive. and against the five, i had to go through -- against the odds, i had to go through chemotherapy, double surgery, they took out 30% of my colon, 70% of my liver, more
chemotherapy, and now, as of two weeks ago today, after my latest annual checkup, i have cancer- free for five straight years against the odds. [applause] against the oddds! when i was speaking to neil could go, showing him the note from my doctor, he said that god did not want to do with you yet. i said, perhaps he did not, but perhaps i should make a difference right here in this community and in this country. he said not yet. so that is another reason i'm running. i happen to believe that we were all put here on this planet to make a difference.
everybody can make a difference in a different way with your talents, your time, treasurer, your abilities. we all have a responsibility to make a difference in this world. i happen to believe, that after achieving my american dreams that i am supposed to do something else other than just retire or go on cruise control. i do not believe that you retire. you refocus. you are going to do something with your time. i happen to believe this is what i'm supposed to be doing at this moment in time. and i am optimistic that we are going to get the nation back on track, because of what i call the spirit of america. the same spirit that inspired the founding fathers.
the same spirit that has brought this nation through some of its most turbulent times. that same spirit of america is going to cause the american people to stand up, speak up, and rise up, and put this nation back on track. [applause] and i was asked last night after the debate, name a president and i would pattern my leadership style after. and i said ronald reagan. [applause] ronald reagan. and then the reporter said, well, he was not perfect. no, but he was ronald reagan. you cannot need to be perfect.
you have to be yourself. people connect when you are yourself. so it was ronald reagan's leadership that helped to turn this nation around, and he did, and it is in that same spirit that i am running for president. and ronald reagan reminded us of this thing called liberty when he said freedom is never more than a generation away from extinction. we cannot pass it on in the bloodstream. it must be fought for and protected, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and grandchildren what the united states of america used to be like.
i am not going to have that conversation with my grandkids. and i do not think you want to have that conversation with your grandkids. the founding fathers got it right. that is why we must become the defending fathers. we must defend the declaration of independence. it must defend the constitution of the united states of america. we must defend the life of the unborn. we must be the defending this for the greatest country in the world. [applause] and i happen to believe we will be able to do that. because on our currency, on the money that you will have to pay for that pork chop on a stick, it says, in god we trust.
and in the fourth verse of the national anthem, there is a phrase in the middle of it that says, in god is our trust. that is why i believe the united states of america is going to get back on track. my name is herman cain -- hermancain.com, and i am running for president. [applause] [inaudible] >> c-span's live coverage from
the iowa state fair in the morning, the soap box, sponsored by "the des moines register." yesterday, we heard from mitt romney. herman cain kicking it off today. we will be hearing from rick santorum, ron paul, tim pawlenty, former speaker of the house newt gingrich, michelle bachmann, and representative debbie wasserman schultz. she is also the chair of the democratic national committee. joining us is jennifer jacobs, who writes for "the des moines register." jennifer, thank you for being with us. first of all, talk about last night's debate. i know there is always the tendency to place winners and losers. how would you assess the performance of the candidates? >> it sounds like i winds are pretty impressed with romney's
performance. they believe he came out of the debate without any nicks or scratches, look presidential, answered the questions well, including some questions about past policy. he did well. beyond that, it is kind of mixed. lots of different opinions on who did well. some think tim pawlenty really elevated himself, others think rick santorum, others think newt gingrich. across the board. >> one of the headlines today, no more minnesota knife between tim pawlenty and michelle bachmann. did that come through last night? >> a pretty poignant exchange between them. in the past they had said we will be civil. this is probably the strongest they have come out and laid me criticized each other's records,
getting a bit caddy. it was the most interesting back and forth that i've seen so far in the race. >> you write about mitt romney's performance at the soap box and the statement that iowans can be rude. what is your response to the audience yesterday? >> he spoke honestly when he was faced with these hecklers. he was able to debate them back, said it was good debate preparation, responding to the spontaneous questions. i do not think there campaign thought it hurt them. i know there are some liberal islands, especially where he said corporations are people -- that is raising some out ridge with liberals in iowa. otherwise, a fascinating exchange. >> you are at the state fair
right now, correct? >> yes, i am. >> this event dates back to the 1950's, every year, one of the must stop location for presidential candidates. this year with a soap box location. where is it located, and why is "the des moines register" sponsoring this forum for candidates to speak to the public? >> it is kind of near the center of the activity here at the state fair. we have held it here for many years. not sure how long, but it is a tradition for "the des moines register" for presidential candidates to address people, a broad audience. today's event with herman cain was pretty well attended. not as good as this today with mitt romney. the audience was quite a bit subdued as well for herman cain
and it was for mitt romney. but there is a very large crowd out here today, maybe 200 people. >> are you an iowa native? >> born in illinois, but moved here when i was 8. almost. >> from your vantage point, how has it changed, not only as a state fair, but as a venue for presidential candidates? >> every year is slightly different. there is always a new food item that draws people in. this year, it is butter on a stick. that got sarah palin's attention. i what is the center of the political universe right now. that is true for -- approved by the fact that we have over 700 credentialed media here to cover the campaign. we have these candidates who are here, including gov. sarah palin, texas governor rick perry, who is coming on sunday.
it just proves that iowa is the place to be when you want to get into politics. >> jennifer jacobs, her work is available online. we appreciate your time. we are going to watch as herman cain, the former ceo of godfather's pizza, works the crowd. >> they are embodied in the declaration of independence and reflected in the constitution of the united states. >> thank you very much. >> you are welcome. thank you, sir. appreciate that. how are you? >> i knew you back when. my husband knew you. >> i thought your name sounded familiar. i saw jack the other night when
we stopped. >> we always thought the world of you and our thrill that you are running. >> thank you. what is your name? good to see you. >> i supported you in 2004. could i get a picture with you? >> do you have a camera? me and the kids, all right. how are you? how old are you? >> i am 7. >> how about you? >> i am 4. >> cheese. >> win. can you say cain. >> cain. >> love it.
appreciate seeing you. we are hanging in there. let me tell you why. outside of the beltway, they are skeptical. what i said to regular folks, they always applaud. they already want someone who is a non-politician. that is what i am encouraged about the support i am getting from real folks. >> [inaudible] >> not sure i understand the question. >> [inaudible] >> that is what is wrong with washington. they want you to accept the old rules. the american people are saying we want to change the rules. otherwise, we are never going to
change the country. the biggest misconception about the citizens movement -- which is what i call it. it is not just the two party. every organization has members mobilized because they are fed up with what is going on. the citizens' movement is about fiscal responsibility, about the free market system being allowed to do what it does, not being overburdened with too much regulation, legislation through the back door, which is what is happening. people are sick of that. and recognizing people's constitutional liberties. do not rewrite the constitution. >> even when it comes to gay marriage, same-sex marriage? >> there is a difference to rewrite the constitution and adding something. this is what this movement is about. people are tired of backdoor legislation, talking about increases in taxes. they feel they are taxed enough
>> republican presidential candidate herman cain as he enters the cnn bus, almost as nice as the c-span bus, which is on hand. if you are at the fair, we encourage you to check out our brand new road to the white house bus. in the meantime, our phone lines are open. the phone numbers are on the bottom of the screen. as a reminder, live coverage getting under way tomorrow at the ames straw poll. you can send us your comments online at twitter.com/cspan. we are going to head over to the iowa pork producers prove where
tim pawlenty will be on hand. -- booth where tim pawlenty will be on hand. carol is with us from arizona. go ahead, please. caller: i was impressed with herman cain. i was leaning toward mr. romney. yesterday when he was heckled and he came back -- he is who i am supporting. i think he is right. i was watching david axelrod try to tear him down on "morning joe." no one is going after romney, saying that he is weird. they are going after romney. he is a bright man. he can wipe out the president. the president has yet to do anything. he is so worried about our country he goes for a $3,500 a plate fundraiser last night?
he does not want congress to come back because they will not do anything? what the crap is he doing? herman cain is bright. he is no dummy. he was the chairman of the kansas city federal -- i cannot think of it. >> can the city federal reserve. >> he is one bright man. a perfect ticket. i was impressed with mr. kcain. >> some views of the iowa state fairgrounds. some of the food items available, butter on a stick, pork chop on a stick. next phone call. stephen from highland, idaho. you are next. caller: i just do not understand
these politicians. i do not understand where this is coming from. i lost my train of thought, i am sorry. >> next to jeff, from des moines, iowa. caller: the pentagon is eating up the budget. other than ron paul, nobody is talking about this. we did not have many journalists in this country anymore, with the exception of c-span. they are just stenographers to power. "the des moines register" just faithfully reports when these people said. that is not journalism, it is stenography. >> a lot of attention on the news item here at the state fair, you can see the sign for deep-fried butter. deep-fried butter getting a lot
of attention. wonder exactly what it tastes like and how you deep-fried daughter. frank in s.i.. caller: i was a lifelong republican. i am impressed with mr. cain. >> it is so refreshing to get a man's respective -- perspective on what is really wrong in washington, and that is all the back door dealings and the secret lobbyists. it has gotten to a point where the country is so fed up and disgusted of what has become of the american dream. the american dream might be deep-fried butter, corn dogs on a stick, but it has gotten to a
point where politics have become so unrealistic in the world of real people >> thank you for the call. in case you were wondering, this process, they are literally deep-frying the butter. it is a new feature this year. a state fair that dates back to the 1850,", and this year marks the 150th anniversary of the infamous butter cow. you will see the symbol on lampposts in downtown the morning. tomorrow is the straw poll, the first test. six will be speaking tomorrow.
nine names will be on the ballot. you are on the air. >> i have been a c-span aficionado from day one. god bless you guys. i am an independent in the deep south, here in florida. thank you so much for showing herman cain's speech. i am totally in his corner. i totally agree with everything he says. thank you for presenting that to us, because we cannot get it from anybody else. >> if you are interested in more with herman cain, including an interview we have done with him, it is available online. our side for politics as c- span.org/campaign2012.
where are you calling from, caller? you are on the air. >> hello? >> yes, what is your name. >> this is vinny. i'm very excited to see ron paul at the state fair. it is disheartening to see how some of his rhetoric is being hijacked and used by the other republican candidates, and they're using some of the stuff he has been talking about for years. i think it is really misappropriated for things like lowering corporate tax rates, and like really working more, not necessarily government completely hands off. i think there are a lot of
corporate republicans talking like libertarians, and it is pretty disappointing. >> thank you. from "the des moines register" website -- this headline in case you are interested, who won and who lost available online. john, on the republican line from kansas. >> yes. i was a democrat for 35 years. i have just become a republican because i do not like who the real -- democrats put in last time. he lied to us from the beginning. he looked us in the eye and said he is not a moslem, went to this church religiously, and i make
personal friend of the pitcher. when they expose he was a radical, he turned around and said he barely knew the guy. >> thank you for the call. we are now at the iowa pork tent. it is former minnesota governor's tim pawlenty's turn. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> good to have you back. >> ready? i want to get in the front row. you have to have a plan? what is the plan?
>> you need a pan. >> are these ready to be flipped? what do you think? ready to roll? all of them? >> table at the time? >> you are good. >> where you from? >> northern iowa. not far from minnesota. about 10 miles from minnesota. >> what kind of operation the you have? what is that? [unintelligible] >> pretty busy out there.
>> i missed the. i have been gone all summer, so i have not been able to grow. is that rachel's left that i hear back there? >> are you just try to poke me? >> it is really important in the sense it is the first test. the early states are important, and we look forward to competing in all of them, and the first up is iowa. -- step is iowa. [unintelligible]
>> what kind of -- [unintelligible] >> does this make or break for you? >> i am confident we are going to do well at the iowa straw poll tomorrow. our goal is to move toward the front of the pack. i think we will. well, i make a mean pork chop. is not about rhetoric. it is about results. if you look at my record on results in minnesota at growing jobs, cutting spending, health care reform the right way, those are the things republicans and iowa people, and everyone across the country wants to see. what do you think? flipping them?
take the rest of these off? >> there has been a lot of talk in this race -- [unintelligible] >> it really does not. >> do you still believe you are the right man for the job? what do you bring? >> i bring a record of results. i have cut government spending to historical lows, cut government spent -- cut taxes. those other kinds of results people across the country want. do you want some pork?
the 7 ft. already? >> -- these have been flat already? >> where you from? [unintelligible] >> are you down here for of all fair, or just today? you have to cook all whil while? [laughter] >> that is good. >> and if you do not do well tomorrow? >> i am confident we will do well. >> if you do not move from the back of the pact to -- for the front?
>> we're confident we can get that done. >> will you have to quit? >> you did not give me a very good, complete answer. >> i thought it was really good. [unintelligible] i felt really good about it. i thought it went well for the campaign, helps to advance the message about getting things done. >> a lot of people are focused on the words between you and michele bachmann. is that part of the debate? >> the back-and-forth between her and die, the question that was as was answered, and there are some differences between the candidates, and that started to show last night. we have never been close social friends, but we have always worked together.
she has done some wonderful things with her life, but her record of results in congress is really nonexistent. if we're going to have a nominee and ultimately a successful candidate and president, that person is going to have to have leadership and results, not just giving talks about it. >> de think she is done? >> we will just wait and see. >> how does the overall debate change? >> i do not know if we will know the answer of that tomorrow, but all i can say about the momentum is from my standpoint it went very well, we are happy with results, and i will add to our momentum going into the straw poll. we are waiting for the pan. i am going to have to go. thank you for the opportunity. [laughter]
thank you. good to meet you. wants to do it here? >> he is a political science major. i told her we would get a picture. camera? here we go. >> did it work? thank you so much. really nice to media. -- nice to meet you. >> where are you studying? >> the university of iowa. then what? >> teacher or professor? >> professor, probably. thank you for the hospitality. >> do we get to eat now?
>> thank you. i appreciate it. >> hey, guys, how're you doing? this is my wife mary. >> this is my wife georgann. >> i'm supposed to be at work. [laughter] >> i'm supposed to interview today. >> one time i was golfing with the guy who got a hole in one, and he was supposed to be at work. >> it is good. no i am here. >> what have you been doing to
get some sunshine? >> we do a little fishing. i like to be outside. i try to save my vacation during the summer, where a short week, and go fishing. we have a whole light. -- lake. sun valley light, it is a little private lake. >> how was the water quality? >> unbelievable. >> fish? >> good fish. [unintelligible] >> he has a vacation and come in southern iowa. -- home in southern iowa.
>> i am sorry. >> that is good. >> can we get a little the of space. i am sorry to disrupt your mail. -- meal. [unintelligible] >> we are doing a one-on-one here. can we get a little bit of space? >> do you want to be in the shot? [unintelligible] >> you are a lovely woman, if you want to be in the shot, your class up the joint. >> i am recording.
>> governor plenty, -- the best and plenty, howdy think you have to do? [unintelligible] >> governor tim pawlenty as he wraps up his visit at the pork producer kiosk at the iowa state fair. he will head over to the soap box. our live colleges -- coverage continues. all of the events are posted at our website. 202 is the area code. coming up during the course of the afternoon will hear from the former minnesota governor. he served two terms. he was on the short list as john mccain's running mate. of course he selected sarah palin, who is also in iowa this weekend.
later this afternoon we will hear from former senator rick santorum, congressman ron paul, former speaker of the house newt gingrich, and representative michele bachmann. will also hear from debbie wasserman schultz. democrats line. what your thoughts? >> i called on the democratic line, but i'm a registered independent. i watched c-span for years. mr. herman cain was the first time you had on the show that i thought it was time to call in. i think he has it. i think he realizes that government is of the people, by the people. he will have my support. he epitomizes my reason for being an independent. it is not about the party affiliation. is about the individual.
so, mr. herman cain will have my first -- full support. >> julio joins us from iowa. >> good afternoon. this'll be a critical election. i know c-span is going to do a good job. i hope other networks do their job in terms of looking into these candidates. ron paul to me is the only man that talked about the core issue of what is really wrong with our country, and that is the private central bank known as the federal reserve. if you think herman cain is going to do the job, you have to remember he was the former president of the kansas city federal reserve. if people do their research on rick perry, thin know about the -- they know about. michele bachmann talks about being a defender of the
constitution when she voted for the unconstitutional patriot act. jon huntsman was the man in of a war criminal in henry kissinger. ron paul talk about going back to the gold standard. if people looked at the price of gold per ounce, it is almost $1,800 an ounce. >> will go to robert on the republican line from newburgh, new york. only 22- i'm not the year-old watching c-span, but with that being said, thank you for taking my call. i have been following this. i follow what the last guest said. it is a shame when they talk about wanting to see certain changes. if you really just watch, but the gentleman said before, ron paul just talks about the issues. the rest of them you get like
quattro words out of them. we talk about a financial crisis, we have three wars going on, and you never hear any other candidate besides ron paul. it is hard for me to understand that if you say the honest truth, you can not be aware anymore. >> thank you for the call. -- joins is on the democrats live from chicago. >> i have been enjoying this. i am happy itunes in and time to see ron paul coming up. one of the things i've noticed -- republicans have dodged, and is the issue of obesity. looking at the television, with exception of a handful of maybe 10 or 15 people, it seems that nobody at the fair needs to be concerned with deep-fried
butter. i wonder if anyone will address that issue. it is important to our country. it is driven up -- it has driven up health-care costs. it is sort of a fat irony that it is happening in iowa. >> thank you for the call. the iowa state fair was the source of a novel that turned into a broadway musical. it is also the site for presidential candidates over the years, every four years stopping cow.o see the broadutter we will have live coverage, not rick santorum -- coming up with rick santorum, followed by coverage of ron paul. good afternoon. >> i have been listening to herman cain, but i would like to
hear him comment on the federal reserve and what his plans would be to shut down the federal reserve and get rid of this illegal banking cartel of tyrants that is put the people of the united states in dire straits. i like to hear him comment on that, such as ron paul has. he seems the only one looking at the truth. thank you for taking my call. >> thank you. we're looking tense scenes from the iowa state fair. jacqueline is joining us from colorado springs on the democratic line. >> thank you for taking my call. i wanted to comment and said i am a registered democrat. looking at the republican field so far, we have not heard from rick perry yet, but i am not too afraid of how they're going to hold up in the debates with obama. i have not seen anyone that knows what they're talking
about him except for ron paul. he consistently has the same set of views, but not talking points other than his convictions. >> thank you for the call. we just thought chuck grassley joined by former massachusetts governor mitt romney yes it. he is back at the state fair, likely to head over and say hello to tim pawlenty. let's listen in. >> everybody is clear on taxes. secondly, everybody had some solution to the job problem. one of them have a comprehensive solution. i get the impression with the president's discredited economic and fiscal policy that any one of them can be impaired >> you think any one of the candidates can beat president obama?
>> really. >> some of a better chance than others. >> of course. i believe you saw strong statements by every candidate, including the ones that were kind of ignored. [unintelligible] couple ofking a questions to chuck grassley. we will head back to the soap box location at the "des moines register" response and the speeches. in the meantime, we'll hear from ron in thousand, maryland, on the republican line. go ahead. you're on the air? we'll go next to juanita in florida. >> i would like to make a remark
to the young people supporting ron paul -- he scared me to death last night. he said we should mind our own business with other countries, and what is going on with the wars. i know he is against these wars, and we all are, but they were not minding their own business september 11. and -- it is really scary. the other people were not so much involved, but as they did get all of this, ron paul is very dangerous for this country as far as protecting us. he really is. thank you. >> john is joining us from massachusetts on the democrats' line. >> everybody is forgetting when this happened over the past 30 years. there is no checks and balances. unless you hold people accountable and enforce the rule
of law that one bankers or congressman do things like this, they should be held accountable. they should go to jail. whenever a company or corporation pollutes, they should be responsible to clean it up. these are the people sitting here voting for the companies. if they do not want you to have healthcare, but when they dumped on a land, they sell the land back to the government, so the garment and said getting the land donated, it is poison. people die of cancer. this is the reason the market is not working. there is a check and balance right now, and the people that are selling false mortgages and stuff like that really do not want to do business because actually the business they are doing is defrauding the government and privatizing the profits and publicizing the dead. people start realizing that the system has to be changed. why would not listen to any of these republicans.
they are out on their own. they have money. the minute this country is depleted of resources and everything else, they get to lead. the poor people stay here, and they suffer. people deserve health care, and is about time people get together and start holding these congressman, these bankers, and all of these people on wall street accountable. until somebody goes to jail, the system is going to keep going the way it is. >> thank you for the call. tomorrow's coverage will get under way at noon eastern with a preview of the scenes around the hilton coliseum for the republican straw poll. the official program starts at 1:00 p.m.. six candidates will be participating. mitt romney has opted not to organize for the straw poll. there is a price for admission. there will be nine names on the
ballot. you can see the nine names. michele bachmann, herman cain, newt gingrich, and jon huntsman, thaddeus mcartor, ron paul, tim pawlenty, rick santorum, and mitt romney. the results will be announced at about 6:30 p.m. eastern time. we'll have our phones open to get reaction to your -- and the speeches. you can also follow with online, and will have a complete wrapup sunday morning on c-span patel "washington journal". next is james, from west pines, missouri. go ahead. >> i could not agree anymore with m&f spoke just before me. i'd vote democrat, i vote republican. whenever i think will do the best job is to i will vote for an -- who ever i think will do the best job is who i will focus
for. i've not heard anything from the republicans. they just want to forget about what george bush did the last five years. we inherited this debt. obama has done all he could possibly do, especially now that the republicans are in the house. it is an uphill fight for him. everything that he tries to do, they want to fight him. i am a democrat now, and i am proud to be a democrat, and i am proud we have obama in there. thank you. >> >>, jeff, stafford, virginia. >> how are you doing? >> you are on the air. >> thank you for taking my call. i am a republican. one thing i have is i think the republican candidates should
count on someone like the virginia governor, bob mcdonnell. he is doing very well. i like the guy. this is my first time calling, so sordid me. -- forgive me. the parties should compromise. kishinev to do something about the jobs. >> you know that -- they should do something about the jobs. >> you know that mitt romney said the virginia governor will be as short list of running mates? >> i am a black guy from africa. i am a citizen. virginia is doing very well. since then, you're doing well. i think messages, too, is pretty good. -- mass., too, is pretty good. he did well.
[unintelligible] let's put all we did in the past, and let's focus on the well-being of this country and put it together. >> thank you for the call. the iowa state fair began in 1854, and as been and it's current location dating back to 1886. next is dave, from michigan. go ahead. we will go to rich from four city, iowa. go ahead. >> hi. it is amazing. i went to school there when the when they travel trailers are made, and that is one of the businesses the have not been shipped over to china i yet. -- china yet. it is amazing to me that our tax structure is upside down.
we have a completely upside down tax structure. that is exactly what is causing all of these problems. when i was going to school, we did not have many lotteries. the only place you could get a lottery ticket was a third world country. now we are becoming a third world country. also, the income tax was progressive. well, we still have a progressive income tax, but not capital gains. capital gains is not progressive better off. the very richest people are only paying 15%. what do you expect in a society where the very rich are paying 15%, and everybody else's pain higher than that? we will not have an america. what do you think? >> this is a form for you to express your views. we go to matt, from pleasantville, california, a
democrat. >> how're you doing? >> fine, thank you. >> i wanted to comment a little bit on what chuck grassley said about any of the candidates being able to win against obama. he cannot be serious, can he? is he dreaming? i am a proud member of the best left wing conspiracy, and i think he is way out of line making a comment like that. >> he is a republican senator. he is in iowa. he is supporting iowa's role as a first-in the-nation process. >> audi still cannot be serious. >> ok. thank you for the call. you can get much more on our website, including all of the interviews with presidential candidates, the latest from iowa, and also new hampshire and south carolina. you can also send us your
comments. mary joins us from san diego on the republicans line. >> i was listening to the calls. i can see why there is so much trouble in washington when you have opinions like this. we need to all come together. i see all of this blaming the bad.blicans are be the only person i made no income from was someone who was putting it all on the line. i do not know why the democrats want everything for free. what happened is we earned everything because we were the best. everybody wants a freebie. nothing is free. thank god if we live in a country that we can permit. with the bickering, and maybe we can solve these problems. >> we will take you live to comments getting under way with former senator rick santorum at
the soap box. >> if you want someone who has actually done that, not pounded their fists and said i will do this, if you do not do this and this, i will not vote for anything. it is easy to vote now. it is hard to get things done to move this country in the right direction. i have done that. when i was in the united states senate, with the democratic president, with a bare majority, which had 52 were 53 republicans. we need bipartisan support to pass anything. i pushed for a welfare reform bill that and a federal entitlement, something we will have to do with medicaid, food stamps, education and housing programs, if we are when you get this federal budget under control. i did it with income support for poor people, and said this is not a federal responsibility. it is a state responsibility.
we end of the federal entitlement, required work, and put time limits on welfare, and i got bill clinton and half of the democratic caucus to vote for it. that is the leadership we need in washington, d.c., today. so, if you want to look at a record of political accomplishments -- by the way, in 2000, i ran for reelection. george bush ran -- lost the state by four points, and i was the only conservative reelected, and i want it by five. if you want someone with a record of accomplishments politically, with respect to getting things done, and it is not just in the area of economics. i was a big proponent of a balanced budget amendment. we came within one vote. i continued to push for it. that when i did not succeed, but i've not given up, and i think that is still the issue today. i got other things done.
on cultural issues, nobody stood up and font for the sanctity of human life as much as i did in the united states senate. thank you. i will take that. and the applause, and the times, please interrupt. i was at the heart of the abortion industry. we finally got this issue out before the american public, and guess what? bill clinton kept vetoing, we kept trying to override, but i get 12, 13 democrats to vote for us. when-by-one they came over because i went to the floor and pounded away. pat leahy, one of the most liberal democratic senators out there, who came up after me after this debate and walked up to me and said i want 20 minutes
of your time because you apportion time between the two sides. i said you want 20 minutes of my time? >> he said you either give me 20 minutes of your time, and i will -- or i will vote against you. i said take 25. he went up there, and he stood there. he counted the arguments i have been making, and he said he can no longer stand against the wake of the argument. ladies and gentleman, that is what we need. we need somebody that can look it the cameras, talk to the american public and members of congress and bring the wake of the republic behind us. i have done it in the toughest areas you can reach a pending federal and fireman's, getting people together on moral, cultural issues. -- and in federal entitlements, getting people together unmoral, cultural issues.
i was able to win elections. i've also the the national security experience prepared every -- experience. every one of those years, i brought a bill to the floor. every time i was able to get bipartisan support for what i was doing, and it was moving the country from a cold war force to a force that would be the threat of terrorism before 9/11. i was the head of the curve in reshaping our military. it is the same thing if you go to the foreign policy issues. israel pulled the mere existence is at stake because we have a president that has turned his back on the state of israel. [applause] >> you love, was the head of the curve was the greatest threat --
of the curved, what is the greatest threat to israel? i supported a bill that put sanctions on a new clear are wrong when the cia was saying -- a nuclear iran when bessie i s the cia was saying it was ove. that bill passed after being blocked by none other than joe biden for six months. we got it done. why? i was right, and ahead of the curve. in doing what was right to protect the state of israel and our national security against iran. if you want someone with a record of accomplishments, with a clear vision for what this country needs, to get our country going again -- we need to cut these entitlements. i have done it. i was the leader on social security in 1994, talking about
these issues. i was talking about social security reform because i knew today would come. it is demographics, folks. in the last 15 years, 300,000 people turned 65. this year, when 0.5 million are turning 65 and it will be this way. if we knew this was coming, and every politician ducked, i stood up. you want someone that will tell you what the problem is, why the problem is there, and exactly what i will do, then i need your help. of the road is an important meeting tomorrow because the national media has done a very good job of not paying attention to our campaign they give candidates who are way below the in the polls, which is not easy to do, that of god and a lot
more attention than i have. why? -- that have gotten a lot more attention than i have? >> why? every candidate at some other name recognition go up dramatically except one? why? what is the national media have against a guy who was beaten three democratic incumbents who was then able to get conservative things done in washington, d.c.? i wonder why they're not providing national coverage for someone like me. [applause] listen gentleman, iowa, not the national media, not the abundance get to decide who will be the next president of the united states. i wish we could do something to let those people we think. we could do something. we want to elect a consistent conservative who can win an election against the best the democrats have to offer, and deliver conservative solutions
for this country, and lead us in a direction like ronald reagan did. was it ronald reagan's policies that made all of the differences? sure, they were great, but it was his ability to go out and tell the american public who we are. who we are is a country that believes that our rights come to us from our creator. to each and everyone of us, and equally. [applause] i love the constitution. i love the tea party, but when the tea party says it is all about the constitution, there are only half right. our country was a constitution without the declaration of independence -- our country without a constitution and a declaration of independence is france. the constitution is the how, and a declaration of independence is the why -- who we are.
we are is a country that has rights given to us by god to reach and everyone of us. what does god give us those rights to do? he did not give us the right to do whatever we want. there are laws. the mosaic code. there is a natural law. there are values that hold this country together as a daily- christian country, and those values in the judeo-christian country, and those values make as a judeo-christian country. they said those rights could not be violated, and it is being violated in america today. [applause] they talk about liberty. look at what is happening right now with obama-care. it is the greatest threat to liberty. it is the end of liberty.
look what happened two weeks ago when barack obama's back was against the wall. what did he do to try to scare americans to call their members to congress? he threatened social security recipients that their money would not be there. he threatened medicare recipients that the money would not be there. why do you think he shot the obama-care down the throats of the american public? his hooks ins everyone. he wants you to be dependent upon government, and once he is, once they get you, your freedom is lost. look at what is going on in britain, and greece, it is so pathetic. i am not surprised. those people did not come here, but your ancestors did because they chose freedom over government security. that is what is at stake in this election. finally, our founders said life,
liberty as a pursuit of happiness. they did not say a guarantee of happiness or a provision of happiness. they said every american without the right to pursue happiness. it is not happen this summer on the far right and the far left suggest. happiness is not the pursuit of pleasure. look at up in webster's. happiness was the pursuit of what was morally good. [applause] >> god gave us rights so we could follow his while. our founder, john adams, every founder said the same. our constitution was made for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other. you cannot be free and with whatever life you want. we would either be constrained from chains from within or chains from without. if we want to be free, we need
to be a decent and moral society. we need to believe in the institution of marriage, and stand for those principles, because that is where those moral values are inculcated. if you want somebody that is going to be able to go out and remind americans that we do not need a president who believes in government, we need a president to believes in you -- [applause] >> please go out, go up to aimes, and that the national media here you that you want a winner, a leader, and someone that can go off to the american people and remind us to believe in ourselves again, not to listen to the siren's song of someone who says i can do for you better than you can do for yourself. that is not what made america great. america, america at the time of
the russell -- revolution -- average life expectancy was between 35 and 46 years of age. to the time of jesus christ, and their average life expectancy was the same. we were an agrarian society 1800 years ago. then, america happened. america said know. we're not going to believe in top-down, kings have no rights, and people been subject to the king. we are going to believe in free people, and guess what happened? in 235 years, life expectancy more than doubled, we went through an industrial revolution, and the poorest person in america today is richer than someone who was one of the richest 50 years ago. this is the dime and ms. -- and the dynamism of america.
that will be over if barack obama is reelected and obama- care is implemented because they will put you in chains called obama-care, and you will be dependent upon government, and you will never break away. final comment -- margaret thatcher when she left said she was never able to accomplish what ronald reagan accomplished in america -- to transform a society to believe in itself again, which reagan did, and and this march toward socialism. the reason was the british national health-care system. weightism gentleman, do not degeneration after -- ladies and gentlemen, do not be the generation that he gave up freedom. stay, and fight for freedom. thank you, the blessed. -- god bless you. [applause]
>> bofa like you were treated fairly in the debate last night that -- do you feel like you were treated fairly in the debate last night? >> we fight for every moment you have. when you get one question in the first hour, you have to fight for the second. we got more towards the end, we have to scrap for them. >> it is called a soapbox. you just heard the comments of former senator rick santorum, one of the eight participants in last night put the debate. coming up, will hear from congressman ron paul, and then later from former minnesota governor tim pawlenty s. c. stempel to live coverage continues this afternoon. in your -- tim pawlenty. c-span's live coverage continues this afternoon. first up is thomas joined us
from nevada on the republicans line. >> good afternoon. this is the question i'd like to rest. when you talk about social security reform, i would like to now what that really means. i live on social security and compensation. that is my only income. i would like to know what happens to the people when they make this reform? can you tell me that? >> this is a forum for you to share your own point of view. did you want to answer your question? >> no, but some can answer it for me. >> if you want to watch mitt romney's comments at a soapbox, it has been posted on our side span.org.ics, c-spa -c-
tomorrow, our coverage begins and noon eastern. the straw poll. this is an annual event. democrats and republicans have had these events. there is no democratic straw poll because the president is running at the moment on a post. there are nine names on the pole. six active participants appeared .o mar tomorrow, rick perry enters the race officially. logan joins us from des moines, iowa. go ahead, in the penn line. >> i have a question. about entitlement reform. the president has put entitlements on the table. i want to know why the other side will not put their sacred cows on the table as well, and meet in the middle, and get real deficit reduction with
entitlement reform, spending cuts, and increase in revenues somehow. >> in the comments yesterday, he said essentially that in holland, mich., as he talked about the u.s. economy and the partisan atmosphere in washington, d.c. >> partisanship has gotten so bad it is cause and -- bad. it has cost the country problems. i wish politicians would part with their ideology and to what is right. >> over the years, al gore, hill the clinton, barack obama on the democratic side, on the republican side, steve forbes, and george w. bush, they have all appeared at the soap box. it is one of the traditions of the iowa state fair. this year marks the 150th anniversary of the infamous cow.utter
next dispenser from pennsylvania. >> i come from the conservative heartland of pennsylvania. i thought rick santorum was falling flat because he was spinning his history. he says he won in 2005 by five, but lost in double digits six years later. he falls flat in this election because of ideology -- ideology is tired. their reality is the rich people have the money, we need it, why can't we just take it? >> the flights are being passed out in anticipation of congressman ron paul who is next. later the seven men, former house speaker newt gingrich, and congresswoman michele bachmann. republican line.
>> i have to say, even though it was just barely touched upon, i do have to commend newt gingrich for bringing up the subject of the u.n., and how we should be fun them, seeing how our government seems to be shaping their policies and legislation is in agreement with the treaty is that we have signed onto with the u.n.. i think that this should be addressed more thoroughly in the dates and so forth with the candidates -- debates and so forth with the candidates. i believe it is a driving factor in a lot of obama's policy and legislation. >> paula, thank you for the call. next, portland, maine, mark is on the phone and also on the republican line.