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objectives. those were the selling points. health care is one sixth of the economy. therefore i think it's the right thing to fight over. that something that -- affects every american. we know already that premiums have skyrocketed under obamacare and they'll only grow worse. we also know that many major companies and smaller companies are stopping providing insurance to their employees. accessibility is going down as well. so obamacare has been a failure. why is it that the democrat party believes in it so bad even when it fails they can't let go? i don't think it's a bad thing to say, hey, you know what, we were wrong. we tried to decrease the cost of health care, tried to increase accessibility, but we did not achieve that. therefore maybe harry reid should sit down with speaker boehner. maybe the president of the united states can interrupt his negotiations with the iranians and come talk to the americans,
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i.e., republican americans. i think it would be a good thing. this again, mr. speaker, this will be our third attempt to work with the harry reid democrats to keep the government open but i want to say this also say this.nds on i want to let me mention, we had 17 shutdowns since 1976 and some might say, that's when we had split government. in 1977 -- could i have another minute? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. kingston: in 1977, 9 government shut down three separate times. and the democrats controlled the house, the democrats controlled the senate and there was a democrat in the white house. indeed, over the history of the last 25 years, there have been a number of government shutdowns.
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until the senate, the house and the white house sat down and negotiated. and that's all we're saying tonight. is you know what? we understand we don't control government, but we are willing to negotiate. it is time for cooler heads to prevail in the u.s. senate. it's time for the u.s. senate to have some adult leadership and sit down with house leadership and hammer out the differences. and that's why we are here while senate has already gone home. i guess the president is no longer playing golf, but we are ready to negotiate. and with that, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentlelady from new york. mrs. lowey: may i ask how much time remaining. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady from new york has four minutes remaining and the gentleman from kentucky has 5 1/2 minutes remaining. mrs. lowey: i'm pleased to yield
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one minute to the gentleman from minnesota, mr. ellison. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from minnesota is recognized for one minute. mr. ellison: bl speaker, as 800,000 federal employees think about what their fate is going to be in a very few hours from now, we are on the house floor as our republican colleagues say, well, we'll pay for the government if you ack seed to these three, four demands. they come up with new demands but don't ever arrive at funding the government. the america cavern people know -- american people know there is a c.r. that we can put on the floor now and avert the government shutdown. will our republican colleagues
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and will our speaker do that? there are moments when leadership is at issue and this is one of them. we need the leadership that will stand here and put that clean continuing resolution on the floor so we can avert a government shutdown and make sure that federal employees can pay their mortgage, can buy groceries and can have a future. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from kentucky. mr. rogers: mr. speaker, i yield one minute to the very spished speaker of the house of representatives, the gentleman rom ohio, mr. boehner. the speaker: the american people don't want a shutdown and neither do i. i didn't come here to shut down the government, i came here to fight for a smaller, less costly and more accountable federal government. here, we find ourselves in this moment dealing with a law that's
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causing unknown consequences and unknown damage to the american people and our economy. and that issue is obamacare. those who don't recall, it was passed in the middle of the night. 2,300 pages that no one ever read and all types of consequences for the american people, our constituents, having all kinds of consequences for employers. and as a result over the last year or so, last couple of years, the president, given his friends in the labor unions, some 1,100 waivers to this law. this summer, the president decided, well, we aren't going to enforce the employer mandate. employers were upset about having to make sure they provided health care for their employees, causing big problems. the result of all this is you have employers all over the country who can't hire people, who are cutting the hours of
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their workers, is having a devastating impact. something has to be done. so my republican colleagues and i thought we should defund the law for a year, delay it for a year. our friends in the senate don't want to go down that path. i'm going to tell you at an iss how can we give waivers and breaks to the big union guys out there, how do we give a break to all the big businesses out there, and yet stick our constituents with a bill that they don't want and a bill they can't afford. that's what this fight's all about. i talked to the president earlier tonight. i'm not going to negotiate. i'm not going to negotiate. i'm not going to do this. well, i would say to the president. this isn't about me or about republicans here in congress, it's about fairness for the american people. why don't we make sure that
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every american is treated just like we are. but no, under the law, there is some decision, there is some idea that we are going to get some exemption. no, we aren't going to get some exemption. the bill before us funds the government and says let's treat our constituents fairly. no more mandate for the next year that you have to buy insurance that you can't afford, no more mandate that members of congress get some exemption. those are the only two issues here. all the senate has to do is say yes and the government is funded tomorrow. let's listen to our constituents and let's treat them the way we want to be treated. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentlelady from new york. mrs. lowey: i'm pleased to yield two minutes to the distinguished
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the gentleman from maryland, mr. hoyer. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. hoyer: tonight is about the continuing destructive obsession that our republican friends have and their refusal to recognize there was an election just some months ago. and you made the argument to the american people, and they rejected that argument and re-elected president obama. and you have not gotten over that to this minute. and as a result, you are about to shut down the government. you can get up here and say over and over and over again, we don't want to shut down the government. but your actions -- mr. speaker, their actions belie their words. mr. speaker, democrats, as will surprise no one, are against
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shutting down this government. it's bad for our people, it's bad for our security, it's bad for our economy, it's bad for jobs, and you all know that. and you don't have the votes, because the people elected democrats as the majority in the senate and the president in the united states. and they don't agree with you. and newt gingrich said when that was the case, you had to compromise. what compromise are we talking about? we're taking your number, your number. and you will not take yes for an answer. how sad. what a shameful day this is in the history of the house of representatives. a shutdown would be harmful to our economy, our national security and the creation of jobs as i just said. that's why we have compromised and said, we'll take your number to keep government open while we
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negotiate over the next six weeks. nobody in your party believes that you were going to succeed in your objective. nobody. it's a political ploy. it's a message to their most radical contingent. we are willing to take the next six weeks to get from where we are to where we need to be. can i have one additional minute? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. hoyer: their tea party faction has made it clear. they don't like the affordable care act, but it has been upheld by the supreme court and remains the law of our land. mr. speaker, the senate has voted twice to send us a clean c.r. now it's time for the speaker and the majority leader to put the senate's clean compromised
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c.r. on this floor and in their words let the house work its will. have the courage, mr. speaker, to have the majority party put on this floor a bill which will keep the government open and which the senate will pass. mr. speaker, does the republican party have the courage of its rhetoric and let the house work its will. i dare you to do that. let democracy work. don't be dictating to america that they are going to shut down the government. let's vote on it. put a clean c.r. on this floor. and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from kentucky. mr. rogers: may i inquire how much time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady's time from new york has expired. mr. rogers: mr. speaker, i yield
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the balance of our time, one minute, to the very distinguished majority leader of the house, mr. cantor of virginia. the speaker pro tempore: the majority leader is recognized for the balance of the time. mr. cantor: thank you, mr. speaker, and i thank the gentleman from kentucky and his leadership for bringing the bill to the floor. and it's interesting, my colleague who just spoke, the democratic whip, talked about democracy and insisting that we bring democracy to the house. well, i would respond to my friend and say democracy is founded upon the principle that there is equal treatment under the law. so tonight's debate is not about trying to stifle democracy. tonight's debate is trying to insist that the minority party nd its policies is trying to
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stop the administration from carving out special treatment for special interests. it's about telling this administration, this president, that there should be no special treatment for members of congress. there should be no special treatment for big business. there should be no treatment, special treatment for members of congress. we all live under the same laws. mr. speaker, hardworking americans across this country wants a government that puts people first. and since obamacare was passed in a highly partisan manner, the president himself and other members of his party have offered unilateral exemptions and delays for special interest groups and for members of this congress. so you have to ask why are members of congress exempt from the pains of obamacare?
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why are these special interests exempt from the pains of obamacare? shouldn't we also exempt the hardworking families of this country from the pains of obamacare? there should be no special treatment for anyone under the law. that is a founding principle of this country. no special treatment for anyone. equal application, equal treatment under the law. delaying the individual mandate for american families and withdrawing the exemption for members of congress is what this bill is about and it is the right thing to do. now is the time for our president to lead. now is the time for the senate to act. the stubborn refusal to work across the aisle is the reason why americans today are so
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frustrated by what they see in washington. house republicans have now offered three possible solutions to fund our government and to protect working middle-class families from losing a job, from losing their health care or losing part of their paycheck due to obamacare. and senate democrats have offered nothing. yesterday, mr. speaker, they didn't even show up for work. no one should shut down the government in order to protect special treatment for members of this house or the other body. no one should shut down this government in order to protect special treatment for big business and special interests. it is time for all of us to think about america's hardworking middle-class families.
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now is the time for taos work on behalf of the hardworking men and women who sent us here. i urge adoption of this resolution and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: all time for dme for debate has exp. pursuant to house resolution 367, the previous question is ordered. the question is on adoption of the motion. as many as are in favor will signify by saying aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the ayes have it. a recorded vote is requested. those in favor of a recorded vote will rise and be counted. a sufficient number having risen a recorded vote is ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, this 15-minute vote on adoption of the motion will be followed by a five-minute vote on approval of the journal, if
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ordered. this is a 15-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
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the speaker pro tempore: the yeas are 228, the nays are 201.
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the motion is agreed to. and without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid upon the table. the house will stand in recess subject to the call of the chair.
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what will remain open and what will not. with regard to operations that will continue, if you're on
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social security, you will keep receiving her checks. if you are on medicare, your doctor will still see you. beryone's mail will still delivered and government operations related to national security or public safety will go on. to troops will continue serve with skill, honor, and courage. eric traffic controllers, prison guards, those who are with border control -- patrol will remain on their posts, but their paychecks will be delayed until the government reopens. nasa will shut down almost entirely. will remain open to support the astronauts serving on the space tatian. i also want to be clear about what will change. office buildings will close, paychecks will be delayed, vital services that seniors and veterans come a woman and children, businesses, and our economy depend on will be
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hamstrung create business owners would see delays in raising capital, seeking infrastructure permits, or rebuilding after hurricane sandy. odorants who sacrificed for their country will find their support centers unstaffed. tourists will find every one of america's national parks and monuments from yosemite to the smithsonian to the statue of liberty immediately closed end of course the communities and small businesses that rely on these national treasures for their livelihoods will be out of customers out of luck. the broad with ramifications of a shutdown i think is important that everybody understand the federal government is america's largest employer. more than 2 million civilian workers and 1.4 million active duty military served in all 50 states and all around the world. in the event of a government shutdown hundreds of thousands
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of these dedicated public servants will stay on the job was -- will do so without pay. several hundred thousand more will be immediately and indefinitely furloughed without pay. of course, what will not be furloughed are the bills they have to pay, their mortgages, tuition payments. their car notes. these americans are our neighbors. their kids go to our school. they worship where we do. they serve their country with pride. they are the customers of every business in this country. and they would be hurt gravely and as a consequence all of us will be hurt gravely should congress choose to shut the people's government down. a shutdown will have a very real economic impact on real people right away. past shutdowns have disrupted the economy significantly. this one would, too. it would throw a wrench into the
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gears of our economy when those gears have gained some traction. five years ago right now, our economy was in meltdown. today, our businesses have created 7.5 million new jobs over the past 3 1/2 years. the housing market is healing, and our deficits are falling fast. the idea putting the american people's hard-earned progress at risk is the height of irresponsibility. it does not have to happen. let me repeat this. it does not have to happen. all of this is entirely preventable if the house chooses to do what the senate is already done, and that is the simple act of funding our government without making extraneous and controversial demands in the process, the same way other congresses have for more than 200 years. unfortunately right now, house republicans continue to tie
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funding of the government to ideological demands like limiting a woman's access to contraception or delaying the affordable care act, all to save face after making some impossible promises to the extreme right wing of their party. let me be clear about this. an important part of the affordable care act takes effect tomorrow, no matter what congress decides to do today. the affordable care act is moving forward. that funding is already in place. you cannot shut it down. this is a law that passed both houses of congress, a law that bears my signature, a law that the supreme court upheld as constitutional, a law that voters chose not to repeal last november, a law that is already providing benefits to millions of americans in the form of young people staying on their parents' plan until they are 26, seniors getting cheaper prescription drugs, making sure that insurance companies are not imposing lifetime limits on you
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who already have health insurance, providing rebates for consumers when insurance companies are spending too much money on overhead instead of health care. those things are already happening. starting tomorrow, tens of millions of americans to be able to visit to shop for affordable coverage. americans who have lived for years with the fear that one illness could send them into bankruptcy, americans who have been priced out of the market just because they have been sick once will finally be able to afford coverage, quality coverage, many of them for the first time in their lives. some of them may be sick as we speak. and this is their best opportunity to get some security and some relief.
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tens of thousands of americans die every single year because they do not have access to affordable health care. despite this, republicans have said that if we lock these americans out of the affordable health care for one more year, if we sacrifice the health care of millions of americans, then they will fund the government for a couple of more months. does anybody truly believe that we will not have this fight again in a couple more months? even at christmas? here's the bottom line -- i am always willing to work with anyone of either party to make sure the affordable care act works better, to make sure our government works better. i am always willing to work with anyone to grow our economy faster or to create new jobs faster, to get our fiscal house in order for the long run. i have demonstrated this time and time again, oftentimes to
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the consternation of my own party, that one faction of one party in one house of congress, in one branch of government, does not get to shut down the entire government just to refight the results of an election. keeping the people's government open is not a concession to me. keeping vital services running and hundreds of thousands of americans on the job is not something you give to the other side. it is our basic responsibility. it is something that we are doing for our military and our businesses and our economy and all the hard-working people out there, the person working for the agricultural department in some rural community who is
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helping some farmers make sure that they are making some modest profit for all the hard work they're putting in. they are the person working for hud who is helping someone buy a house for the first time. it is somebody in a v.a. office who is counseling one of our vets who has ptsd. that is who we are here to serve. that is why we are supposed to be carrying out these responsibilities. that is why we should be avoiding this constant brinksmanship, and it is something we should be due in the ordinary process of this extraordinary system of government that we have. you do not get to extract a ransom for doing your job, for doing what you are supposed to be doing anyway or just because there is a law there that you do not like. the american people sent us here to govern. they sent us here to make sure that we are doing everything we
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can to make their lives a little better, create new jobs, to restore economic security, to rebuild the prospects of upward mobility. that is what they expect. they understand there are differences between the parties, and we are going to be having some tough fights around his differences. and i respect the fact that the other party is not supposed to agree with me 100% of the time just like i do not agree with them. they do also expect that we do not bring the entire government to a halt or the entire economy to a halt just because of those differences. that is what they deserve. they worked too hard for too long to recover from previous crises just to have folks here in washington manufacturer yet another one that they have to dig themselves out of. congress needs to keep our government open. it needs to pay our bills on
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time. and never ever threaten the full faith and credit of the united states of america. time is running out. i hope and expectation is that in the 11th hour once again that congress will choose to do the right thing and that the house of representatives in particular will choose the right thing. thank you very much. >> president obama speaking about five p.m. eastern before the vote that happened in the house. the house making two changes to the senate continuing resolution. one would delay the implantation of the individual mandate for a year, the other one would strip language subsidies which strip the subsidies for members of
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congress and their staff in the health care law. we will open up our phone lines to get your thoughts on the continuing debate as the hour approaches of the end of the fiscal year. here is how to join the conversation. we have a number of tweets using #cspanchat. as you have seen on your screen, we do want to remind you that our first ladies program will be 9:00 p.m. and live at c- live due to the congressional coverage.
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a quick look at that vote that happened in the house. this is approving the two changes to the continuing resolution. the vote was 228-201. writing here. the republicans voting no against the changes, michele bachmann, joe barton brown -- massieton, peter king, and rogers. casey is on our republican line. >> how are you doing? maybe you can explain. why can't the congress, the -- let it goill
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through and get a consensus, at least 32 states to where they repeal prohibition and [indiscernible] the states can repeal if they have a state convention. would it be held that? >> this is the continuing resolution so this has to be dealt with the house and senate. they both have to approve the same language. west jefferson, ohio. jamie is on our democrats line. go ahead. my name is jimmy. i have been a longtime democrat. politics since i was 18.
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i wanted to make a comment. i have said and watched this on c-span and listen to both sides. i was a truck driver for 20 years, i was a teamster officer and agent. insurancestiated with companies. the affordable care act does not touch her insurance if you got it through company. is is ainion all this republicans tohe try to blame the democrats on shutting down the government which they are not going to get that done. [inaudible] democrats won the senate, barack obama won, republicans are still in the house. host: thank you. the fiscalend of year, 9:00 p.m. eastern. our first ladies program is
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airing tonight, the program on florence harding. that programr saturday night. just a program change for tonight. i have a few things to say. as a federal employee, i just photo albumsp 15 of money back to the government. now we will get shut down again. it is ridiculous. it is ridiculous that people call in and say, i hope the government shuts down. know as a family man, i do not wait until the last minute to balance the budget of what will go on. th


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