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three key states that flipped for the republicans, pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin. according to our founders and the constitution the electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for president and vice president. ballotsll name in their of the person voted for as president and in the distinct ballots, the person voted for as vice president and they shall of alldistinct list persons voted for as president and of all persons voted for as vice president. the last step in the process will take place at the u.s. capitol in early january. joining us is steven shepherd who has been following all of today's developments. thank you for being with us. stephen shepard: good to be here. >> it is required by the constitution.
we saw the process unfold in many state capitals here on c-span. were there any surprises? stephen shepard: not really. donald trump won 306 electoral you justthat map that showed and you mentioned michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. couldought was if they get 37 of donald trump's 306 electors, that would deny camp the majority of the electors and then the election would go to the house of representatives despite a furious campaign to do that, we did not see that. you mentioned michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. they all voted for donald trump. we did see a few democratic electors peel off. in an effort to join with possible republican defectors. state, colinton powell got three electoral votes. they were hoping to deny donald trump. in washingtonr
state, a democrat voted instead for another candidate because they did not want to vote for hillary clinton. this is more than what we usually see. 2000 fouro go back to to see another faceless elector that did not vote for the candidate that they were supposed to what it is not the widespread kind of defection that would've threatened donald trump's chances to be the next president. >> we solve the effort by the hamilton of electors, the texas effort. getting a lot of attention. too much media attention based on what happened today? stephen shepard: i don't know if it is too much. it does draw some attention to the system by which wetoo much d on what happened today? elected the president of our country. electoral college when it began, in some states the electors fulfill the will of the people or the people who were allowed to vote at that time in those days. in some states, there was no popular vote and the electoral college chose whom they wanted. in this case, we have a system
51 systems. it sheds some light on that process. theously, if you read coverage and thought this was in doubt, maybe it got too much coverage but by and large this was not in doubt and it sheds some light on some quirks in our system. >> if you watched what was happening and we were live in new york and michigan and pennsylvania and illinois. there was a majesty and simplicity to that process. putting in those paper ballots. in each of the states, that is what it looked like. stephen shepard: the pageantry is the word i would use to describe it. we will see the same thing on january 6 when a joint session of congress convenes to count these votes. this is not the last step in the process. the last step will be to send these votes to washington and countedm examined and
before a joint session of the congress in early january. vice president joe biden will preside over that session. there is more pageantry to come. this is how we do things every four years. the reality of this year's election, it got more attention than any other election and was more closely followed than other elections in our past. the other was the historic nature of it. the candidate that wins the electoral college by a wide margin. we have this unique situation and i think that has drawn more attention on this process as well. >> i want to come back to these developments that on politico.com, you wrote a piece about the transition and the lack of the honeymoon. . based on the point you just made. the nation remains very divided. stephen shepard: donald trump's favorability at best and in his
best pulled, the percentage of americans that view him favorably are -- is equal to those that view him unfavorably. george w. bush was elected under controversial circumstances, he got the benefit of the doubt from a number of democrats. donald trump did not get the benefit as he did. all levers of the government, especially once a new supreme court justice joined the court, he will have the ability to put in his agenda at the very beginning. over the first 100 days, six months, and first year -- a lot of presidents get a honeymoon period where they are popular. donald trump does not go into that. -- does not go in with that. significantnter resistance. >> the debate over the last nine
weeks from election morning until this monday in december -- one iowa republican quoted that it was all one fantasy. we also posedd: this question to everyday voters in a poll that we conducted over the weekend. we did not find a large appetite even among democrats for actually trying to disrupt the elect oral college vote and overturn the results. that is one thing that has been interesting. we talk about shedding light on the process. americans still narrowly believe we should elect our president by the popular vote and not the electoral college. it is difficult to amend the constitution but there has been a movement to get them to join with other states to vote by way of the popular vote and if on of states do that, they could rig the electoral college to follow the popular vote. it will be interesting to see in
the years to come how many states join that effort and if we see a popular movement towards using the popular vote and abolishing the electoral college. we spoke withay professor robert hardaway about just that point. if you're are interested, go to c-span.org to see that interview. what it would take to change historical gave us perspective on why that was put into place. a historic moment as a former president cast his vote for his wife, hillary clinton who won the popular vote in new york and he was one of the electors in new york. >> we are also honored to be at this proceeding with many of elected officials from all across the state. important and involved citizens and oneoss the state very special new yorker who we all call friend, former
hillary clinton and senator tim kaine. two separate boxes. that scene was repeated in state capitals across the country. a box for hillary clinton and said -- and tim kaine. in politico.tory some democrats criticized hillary clinton and her supporters for not embracing an effort to stop donald trump on this day. stephen shepard: you mentioned the hamilton electors who wanted to try by choosing another candidate who may also be palatable to the republican electors try to overturn the electoral college results. they were looking for a signal from the clinton campaign that this was an acceptable and desired outcome. we did not see that. that is why you saw only a handful of democratic electors pilaf in that effort that i mentioned including colin powell. we did not see that. i think there was a clear effort. witheard that starting
hillary clinton's concession speech the day after the election. an effort to move on it publicly and not mount any kind of pure is challenge. the only tangentially joined the recount that jill stein had pushed for in those three states you mentioned including michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. we have seen a couple of statements. you hear them when the clintons talk privately. they talk about the letter from the fbi director and how that turned the election. and there is perhaps a little bit of bitterness and regret. but publicly, we have not seen anything that jeopardizes this. weree other argument we hearing from those trying to block the electoral college vote for donald trump today included the russian hacking and what happened with the dnc and wikileaks saying that russia interfered in the election. we sense that there will be a congressional inquiry looking
into what happened. but that argument also seemed to fall on deaf years leading up to today's electoral college votes. stephen shepard: a number of electors had petitioned to get an election -- an intelligence briefing, access to classified information. their status as electors -- they do not have security clearances and they would not have access to that information. they wanted to be granted access to that. but by and large, those were democratic electors. they were not people ready to vote for donald trump in the electoral college. campaignee clinton chairman john podesta call for that intelligence briefing to be granted. while it is a source of concern for a lot of people including americans at home, it was not something that the donald trump electors as we can see from the vote, it was not something that
they were considering on the whole. a day for civic students to better understand the process as it unfolded across the state capitals. stephen shepard, as you have been doing surveys for politico, what questions have you been asking or have people been asking you about the electoral process? stephen shepard: the one thing that all reporters have heard involved in conversations with friends and family as well as notes from readers is -- you have heard it a lot -- is there any chance? the electoralted college to overturn the results of the election and those that did not -- if there was any chance of this? you mentioned the civic lesson. .his happens every four years c-span covers it. but by and large, we do not
follow this closely unless it is embroiled in controversy. it is important for americans to understand the process by which we elect our president. if they are unhappy with it, they can get involved to possibly change it. if you live in california or texas or wyoming or new york, you might not have a presidential campaign really active in your state. but it is important to be cognizant of that and the way things work in this country. sooner or later and probably sooner, we will start talking about the next presidential election and americans will be focusing on that very closely. spoker colleague who we with earlier today, who are the electors? as we have been seeing, they are all citizens. there are very few public officials. stephen shepard: every state has a different way of choosing who these electors are. some are chosen by the state party.
this is a sort of system that varies so much state-by-state. kyle has done a great job over the last few months of digging into who these people are, finding out what they believe and think. in some of the states, washington state for example, there were some bernie sanders supporters who are among those that did not vote for hillary clinton today. that was not decisive. based on the ultimate margin. but it could have been down the stretch with a close election. it is important to note that this is something that people can do. you can try to sign up at home. it is not just, depending on the state, it is not only for the politically well-connected. >> stephen shepard, thank you for putting today's events into perspective. we appreciate it. on atn read his reporting politico.com and our campaign coverage is available on our website at c-span.org.
here is the scene from the texas capitol in austin where a lectors put donald trump over the 270 vote threshold to win the presidency. 36-1-1ounced vote was for donald trump, ron paul, and kasich. >> ladies and gentlemen, let us call back to order. our votes for president have been tallied. president, donald trump. 36 votes. for ron paul, one vote. and for john kasich, one vote. by the way, texas now puts president trump over the top. [applause]
>> congratulations texas electors. >> now, pennsylvania electors cast their vote for president and vice president at the state capitol in harrisburg. donald trump and mike pence received all 20 electoral votes. pennsylvania secretary of state and governor tom wolfe spoke at the proceedings. this is one hour and 10 minutes. >> good afternoon ladies and
gentlemen. torres, executive deputy secretary of the commonwealth. it is my honor to welcome you to the 58th electoral college of the commonwealth of pennsylvania. all cell phones and all other electronic communication devices. at this time, would you please rise. i would like to present to you, the honorable pedro a cortez, secretary of the commonwealth. the honorable robert, deputy chief of staff to the governor of the commonwealth. the reverend canon davis w lovelace.