that allows public school student to attend college for ree. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016]] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] host: good morning. here are your top headlines. the alleged gunman in the mass shooting that left five dead is in federal custody. he is scheduled to appear in court on monday. trump tower u.s. intelligent official told president-elect donald trump that russia used cyber attacks to -- u.s. election. and donald trump criticized automakers for making in mexico instead of the united states. he promises to build america's manufacturing sector but what's the best way to do that? that is what we're asking you this morning. here is how we're breaking down

the phone lines this morning. you live in the eastern or central time zones, call us at 202-748-8000. those in the mountain and pacific time zones, 202-748-8001. there is a special line opened for you if you work in the manufacturing factor at 202-748-8002. you can also find us on social media. our twitter handle is twitter.com/cspanwj and we're on facebook at facebook.com/cspan. let's get started by taking a look at the latest jobs numbers. the federal government release. its tally of job growth and creation in the u.s. on friday. it found that there were 156,000 new jobs added in the previous month. the unemployment rate was up 4.7%. and manufacturing job accounted for 17,000 of those new jobs that were added last month but that number is smaller than the 30,000 jobs that were added in

foods and drinking places and restaurants and in health care, 43,000 jobs were created. here's a chart from 538.com that shows you the changing trends in manufacturing employment. you can see since 1994, the number of people who are employed in manufacturing has dropped dramatically from high of about 18 million, 17 million or so dropping down in 2010, increasing slightly this year. but that size in job growth, that's been overtaken by the number of people working in the retail sector. retail growth here, that red line is higher than the job growth in manufacturing. another chart from 538 also shows you how much manufacturing output has increased in the country despite the fact that manufacturing jobs have not grown quite as fast. it says a renaissance in production, not jobs. you can see the lines for manufacturing output as increased by 20% since 2010.

the number of manufacturing jobs has only increased by 5% to 7% over that same time period. a recent story in the "atlantic" says that reviving american jobs might be impossible. the story says that the truth this even if china blinked out of existence tomorrow, there just wouldn't be a need for much of the work america lost. while those skilled labor dominated in decades past, automation and computers made them productive and relatively human-free. host: joining ounce the phone lines is nathan bomey. he is here to give us a little more details about how donald trump hopes revitalize the manufacturing sector and some of the comment he's made toward businesses on twitter this week.

nathan bomey, thank you so much for calling in. guest: yeah, thanks for having me. tell us exactly what was said by donald trump on twitter this week. guest: well donald trump attacked multiple automakers this week for expanding production in mexico. first, he said -- set his sights on general motors for making the cruise for selling in the united states and after that he went after toyota for building a new plant in mexico for production of the corolla to actually bring that car back to the united states. and although he didn't get all the details right because ultimately, there are some nuances to these production operations, the reality is yes, the u.s. auto industry has expanded significantly in mexico and sometimes those cars are shipped to the u.s. so he believes that those auto

companies need to make the vehicles in the u.s. if they want to sell here and if they don't, he says they should pay a border tax. host: why is donald trump focusing on the auto industry in particular? guest: well i think the auto industry is the biggest example that you can think of of how the u.s. manufacturing has gone to foreign markets where labor is lower cost. you look at mexico where it's about 80% cheaper to manufacture a car there than it is in the united states. so that's one reason that the u.s. auto industry has gone there in particular to make mall cars. that's why most of the vehicles that are manufactured here like crossovers and sport utility vehicles. >> and how unusual is it for donald trump to make comments directed at individual

companies? guest: well it's extremely unusual. this is unprecedented for a president-elect and soon to be president to actually attack an individual company no matter what the communications mechanism is to single them out is very unusual. major u.s. companies are not used to this kind of thing. and so this makes them very nervous, talking to them. we're headed into the detroit auto show, one of the major business events of the year this next week. and we're going to see a lot of conversation about how the auto industry has to adjust to these demands. and so you saw ford motor company, for example, scrapped a plan to build a plant in mexico as a result, in part, of trump's attacks. now they're still going to move production of the ford focus sedan to mexico. so that will happen in an existing plant instead of a new

facility. they did do a little expansion in michigan in part because they say that trump will nurture pro-business policy. so it's unusual for the president or president-elect donald trump to go after a company but it seems to be the new normal. host: you mentioned earlier, a border tax that donald trump has proposed that several times. how does that work? guest: he wants a 35% tax. the policy details are very thin he president-elect trump but wants a 35% tariff on vehicles made in mexico that are sold in the u.s. today, we have the north american free trade agreement, nafta, which would prohibit that. so to do that, he would have to have major renegotiation and ross he would need a lot of help from washington to get that done. but there is a bit of a groundswell support among people like the united auto workers

union which is historically left leading democrat supporting organization that did not support donald trump during the election but immediately after he was elected said that they supported his trade agenda. and i thought that was fascinating because they understood a lot of their members in michigan and ohio and diana and other midwestern states supported donald trump's election. so they're aligned on trade ghastes him some support. but i think it would be difficult with republicans in washington to get them support any sort of tariff goods on mexico. host: our question to our viewers this morning is what is the best way to bring back manufacturing jobs? is there any consensus on this from the businesses and the expert that you talked to? guest: i thought you made some great points earlier. there's some serious questions about whether it's even possible to bring back manufacturing jobs in large quantities from foreign

countries. you look at automation, for example, and how that's sweeping through the auto industry and not just the auto industry, but many industries. even white collar industries are starting to experience automation. the accounting business, for example, has a lot of automation coming. so it's not just affecting manufactures but it's certainly will pick up the pace soon and so even if manufacturing comes back to the united states, at last good chance that manufacturing comes back but there aren't that many jobs with it. you could still argue that is important because that brings about a tax base and economic activity. the problem is if you're not fixing the robot, you may not have a job because of the robot. host: that's nathan bomey, business supporter at "u.s.a. today." thanks for calling in. we are taking your phone calls this morning on the best way to bring manufacturing jobs back to the u.s. let's go ahead and hear from mike, who is in dewitt,

michigan. mike works in the manufacturing spector. what does it looks like to you from where you sit in michigan? caller: honestly -- good morning to you, first of all. host: good morning. caller: first of all, my suggestion would be if we had medicare for all, that would definitely bring back manufacturing jobs. i just -- just to prove my point, coincidentally, that shirt you put up earlier show the rise in manufacturing jobs hich was coincidental with the implementation of the affordable care act which accidentally did over 20 million more people. so, you know, that, personally, i think that would be the best way and it just would make me personally be able to be more competitive and make more money because i wouldn't have to play my two employees for their

health care. and even if if you wanted to say increase the payroll tax by 10% or something, you know, which would be more expensive for me, more than offset the health care premium, maybe an increase of payroll tax that i have to pay. so that's all i want to say. i'm just hoping that mr. trump does not get his wishes to repeal the affordable care act and that's what i would really think might make america great again. thank you. host: and mike, you said that you run your own business. what do you manufacture? what do you make? caller: it's a very simple product. it's ushered business, and i have two employees. host: all right. let's hear from another caller in michigan, john, from dryden. john, what do you think?

caller: hello? host: hello, good morning. caller: yeah. you know, i work at general motors at the tech plant. -- and tech center. and college educated. i'm in customer service. they're going to pay us $16 an hour with no benefits. and they are cheating people. they're not paying right. are you hearing me? host: yes. are you a general motors employee or do you work for a contractor that works for general motors? caller: no. i was promised i would be transitioning into a general motors employee after three and a half years. still a contract worker. i'm a college educating. graduated from oakland university cum laude. and they only pay us $16 an hour. we got to pay for our own health insurance. i got to pay $400 a month for my health insurance premiums. it's very difficult.

and if they hear me talking to you, chances are, i mean, i might not have a jobs. but -- job. this is all a result of governor snyder's right-to-work law. d i'm long time -- my family works in the auto industry. i know how well u.a.w. workers have been paid and respected. it's just not right. there's a pending class-action lawsuit against the former contract employer. they were not paying overtime. g.m. knows about this. i just wanted to let you know, let the american public know what's going on within the auto industry over at general motors. host: all right. that's john in michigan. next caller is joe from hollis, maine, also worked at the manufacturing spector. joe, what do you think this morning? caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: well, i guess you can't really put this all in just a

minute or so into what's going on here. but i've been watching this since the 1970's. now remember all of these jobs -- first of all, let's put the robot thing to sleep. that's junk. there's millions of jobs out there that are available. the robots ain't taking the jobs. what's happening is we're competing against work labor camps. these people aren't -- you think down in mexico, they've got like cities that everybody's going to work? these are all secluded labor situation where is they're beating and pounding on these people. this is one of the most atrocious things. now all of the 70,000 factories that they took out of this country, remember, every time they took one of these factories, it destroyed a city. you couldn't hurt a city the same way as if you bombed it. if you bombed it, they could recover from this. host: but joe, how do those cities recover now? does it require renegotiating trade agreements? caller: the first thing you do

is you stop anybody who sends a job from the united states of america should be sent with an act of treason and it should be answered with -- they should still have the death penalty for this. would you destroy those cities? thousands of people have died from suicide just plain desperation, no insurance, their loved ones have all died. i have watched this since the 1970's. and donald trump is the very president on your show, i've been on your show, and every time i get on there and i hear one of these guys say oh, those jobs are never coming back. and that's just the way they do it. they're arrogant. those jobs are coming back. those are our jobs and every one of those jobs you consider nothing is a trade that someone spent their whole life trying to learn. and whether it's little to you or nothing, those people all had families. they all had things. we've got to come downtown, they've got nothing.

these companies used to hum. but they're destroying america. this has destroyed america. it's not even half the place it used to be in this country. i've watched this so long in these phony excuses that they've got for taking these jobs out of our country. god bless donald trump. the first man who ever in the last 10 years on your show or ever has said these jobs are coming back. host: all right. that's joe from maine. now on fox news this week, ford c.e.o. mark steele talked about his company's decision to cancel a planed plant in mex coach here's what he had to say. >> and the reason why we're canceling the plant in mexico is primarily do due to the fact that we were going to build our generation focus there. we're going to build it in an existing plant because we've seen existing plant for north america for small cars and we don't need the capacity anymore.

>> this has nothing to do with all of the criticism you've got from donald trump? >> well we're doing this decision based on what's right for our business. as we think about our investment here's in michigan, as you can imagine, we look at a lot of factors as we make those. one of the factors that we're looking at is a more positive u.s. manufacturing business environment under president-elect donald trump and some of the pro-growth policies that he is -- he said he is going to pursue -- did you talk to him about this today? >> we notified him this morning as well as vice president-elect mike pence of the announcement we were making today. >> and what did the president-elect say? >> well, they were very pleased that we were making these investments here in the united states and creating the 700 jobs, building on the 28,000 jobs that we've createsed over the last five years and the $12 billion that we've invested. they were very pleased that we

were making this action. >> would you have done this if donald trump were not elected president? >> yes, absolutely. i mean, again, the cancelation of the plant in mexico was just really looking at capacity requirements. and the investments here in michigan are around building our high-tech products here in making flat rock one of our most advanced manufacturing facilities that we have going forward. host: we want to know what you think is the best way to bring manufacturing jobs back to the u.s. pamela is calling in from forth washington, washington. pamela, good morning and what are your thoughts? caller: good morning. i don't know if manufacturing is going to come back per se. there are a couple of roads that i driver over in the course of a given day that as anything, they need to look at whoever manufactures, faculty -- asphalt

and concrete needs to look at improving on that. but in my opinion, there are a lot of jobs that they aren't anufacturing but things like reinforcetation -- reinforcetation, working in the wooded areas where there's been lot of neglect. they looks like they would be good paying jobs. host: that's pamela in maryland. pamela talked about jobs on spending on infrastructure. here are a few details on president-elect donald trump's infrastructure plan. he plans to have $1 trillion on

roads, airports, pipelines and wes in trical chattanooga, tennesseics our next caller. wes, good morning. caller: yes, good morning, c-span. yes, he's come up with some ideas already to increase manufacturing and to sponsor jobs. you've got the sheriff posse talking about closing the prisons, opening the prisons for building the wall. that's going to bring a lot of obs.

they're going to manufacture slavery too. thank you. host: all right. that's wes in tennessee. texas caller is ann marie calling in from los angeles, california. you're up early. what's your thoughts? caller: hello? host: hello. you're on the air. caller: thank you. i want to say from the beginning another president who is still in the cabinet to choose the binet -- can help the good progress of the country. -- should be the same for the elected president trump. and, yes, he is right. we need new negotiation with china, with everyone. even our flag will be made -- american flag will be made in

china. host: ok. that's an maria from los angeles. let's go to scott. what's your thought this morning? caller: i'm not in manufacturing anymore. but my thing with this is when we used to have a recession about every nine years, every 10 years, you could count on it. it was one coast or the other coast of this country. but when they started shipping all them jobs off, what they ended up doing also was they this way the tax base for country to rebound from many kind of recession that we would go into. but we don't have a tax base for that anymore. and how in the world, i mean? i wish mr. trump all the best.

but if you've seen pictures of china lately or india when they crank up the smokestacks to get their manufacturing going, i mean, them people are sick, you know, and dying. that's the way we used to be over here. host: that raises the question, scott. is it worthwhile to bring manufacturing back to the u.s. if it's going to come with side effects like pollution or overly long hours if they're not unionized jobs? caller: it's going to create more problems with the health system which is currently out of whack. i think america's got one card left and that literally, literally, is to start building the infrastructure for clean nergy. host: all right. scott, we hear you out in a maine. next is robert from the bronx in

new york. robert, good morning. caller: yes. host: you're on the air, robert. caller: yes. everybody keeps talking about bringing jobs back. the plan is we have people when the jobs leave, we have people already here who know how to build them, who know how to deal with them, who know how to manufacture them. have people in schools that therefore learning, how to deal with education in jobs, right? we keep talking about bringing jobs back. the company goes, fine. but we still got people here that know how to still work and build. so therefore, if the employer or whoever us the owner of this

company wants to leave to another place, ok, fine. then we have someone here. start another company. host: all right. caller: in the united states. host: that's robert from the bronx. jill is the next caller, calling in from indiana. it says that you worked in a manufacturing spector, is that right? caller: yes, i did. host: what did you do? caller: i was working as a mechanic and also as an electrician. host: all right. caller: and the comment i would really like to make is when they started sending all these jobs overseas somewhere or elsewhere, like in other words, let's say it's in mexico and they get very cheap labor. now all that savings that

they've done from going down there, all the products that they bring in the united states, there is no savings to the people at all. in other words, they make it cheap over there and bring it at a higher cost here. you know, like a pair of nike shoes over there. i'm sure they make it about $3 or $5 and they come over here and it's almost $200 a pair. host: how do make sure these companies don't go overseas in the first place? caller: well, they talk about lowering taxes. that's not going to do it because that's the whole idea of business is to add to the taxes and help the people out. the people are paying taxes and the company is not paying anything, ok? so now when they go overseas over there, bring all these jobs over here and higher tariffs. they are getting very little

taxes even when they are coming in here. so -- and then what happens is foreign countries come in here. w they start out doing the american country. it's a catch-22 process going on here. , you bring them in is just know, help them out a little bit but don't do to it the point where you're going to subsidize a bunch of companies. because there is a lot of companies out here like these oil industries and auto manufacturing and all of them, they're all getting subsidized without taxes. and then we got to fill that cost that they're subsidizing with. so we've got to stop the subsidizing thing because these companies are getting rich off from it and then they turn it around and coming let's say a

conglomerate, just, you know, a steel company that i worked for. he's a conglomerate here in this country. host: that's joe from indiana. next caller is from tennessee. roger is on the line. roger, what are you saying this morning? caller: well, i just want to say good morning to everybody and we got snow here. host: we got know here too, roger! caller: well, good. but you know, i'm a disabled general contractor here in tennessee and the housing market crashed and our world just went down. but i'll tell you what, through my lifetime growing up from just -- from a poor boy to getting to where i was, but what's happening here, i pay my people more than they did years ago, is

greed. greed and these companies want to take these jobs and go out of he united states as far as i'm concerned, people in numbers. we can control it. don't buy it. and i pray that donald trump will put a stop to it. if they want leave, take your stuff and don't bring it back. we don't want it. because you're destroying it with your robots and your greed. these restaurants don't want to pay their people enough. i've got a friend of mine that's been there 15 years and he couldn't afford to go get a tooth pulled that rot out of -- rotted out of his head. so read your bible and greed. it's all in that book. so god bless you. host: all right. that's roger from tennessee. next up, terry is calling from dewitt, michigan. terry, good morning to you. caller: good morning. there is one part of this that

the news media has never mentioned. and you haven't either. and it is the unions. the reason these plants are built in outside america is because the union wagers are too high. and to you, who are factory , rkers, manufacturing workers if you allow union leaders to strike every time you for more wages, you are one step your job being lost. and no media i have noticed has ever mentioned that part of it. i've been a milk man for 36 years from 1961 to 1997.

i have watched the unions as they gain more money. one of my friends told me he makes $28 an hour, not counting the benefits. i was a milkman for 36 years and i made about $24. self-employed. no benefits. so you union workers, don't blame the ford motor company for moving out of this country. you blame part of it you. it's not their greed. host: all right. that's terry from dewitt, michigan. here's a headline out of role call newspaper. it says that paul ryan in a break from president-elect donald trump said wednesday that congress is not going to increase taxes on imports and exports through tariff. we are not going to be raising tariffs, ryan said. a spokesman said paul ryan

strongly supports making our tax system border adjustable by exempting exports to tax. he added to referring to a proposal in the overhaul blueprint by moving into a cash- flow based approach. meanwhile, the alliance for american manufacturing has some statistics on manufacturing jobs here. it shows the number of manufacturing jobs that had been created, president obama set a goal of creating one million new manufacturing jobs during his second term. that goal was set during the 2012 presidential campaign. the american alliance for manufacturing found that only 315,000 of those one million manufacturing jobs were actually created. and president-elect donald trump went on a thank you tour last month to alabama. he spoke out there about china's trade practices. here's what he had to say.

president-elect donald trump: we've lost 70,000 factories since china joined the world trade organization. and i said 700, you mean. i said 7,000, maybe. but the number is 70,000 factories, many of them right from alabama. and you know it. it's the greatest jobs theft in the history of the world. there's never been a jobs theft like this and we're going to untheft it, folks. we're going to bring it back, folks. we're going to bring it back. [applause] president-elect donald trump: and we're not going to be taken advantage anymore by all these foreign countries. we're going to have a new policy for a long time. it hasn't been this way. it's called america first. it's now america first. [applause] president-elect donald trump: and if a company wants to fire their workers, leave the great state of alabama or another state or another country and

ship their new products right back into our country through a very strong border, by the way. there will be consequences. right now, they can do that, make the product, bring it in for nothing. you saw what we did with carrier air conditioner and go buy carrier. because they were great. we have really thousands of people if you look at it from a family standpoint are going to have a great christmas in indiana. but we have many of those things happening, many, many, many. because if they want to do that, we're going to oppose a 35% tax on those products coming into our country. and you know what, they're not going to move. they're not going to move. host: we are taking your calls this morning on the best ways to bring back manufacturing jobs to the u.s. let's turn to atlanta, georgia, allan is calling. alan, what are your thoughts? caller: yes, good morning. host: good morning. caller: i'm in the computer network business and i deal in

solutions and the reason why i'm calling this morning is i developed a conclusion when i ran for congress in both georgia's 14th district and tennessee's third in this last cycle and lost, i should add, for lack of money, i -- my platform was based on bringing back manufacturing to the united states. i realized many years ago that if we do not bring back manufacturing, the country is doomed. and china and the asian countries will take over. so what i developed was an idea called cascading manufacturing. the reason being is you cannot punish companies into manufacturing in the united states. you can't provide incentives because companies respond to net profits, not gross profits, but profits after taxes. that's what they understand. any trump plan to punish

companies will fail because large companies have teams of accountants. they're very clever people who will figure out a way around any government legislation. host: now alan, both donald trump and the republican members of congress have advocated lowering the corporate tax rate as a way to snfs -- this wasize companies to do it. do you think that does it? caller: well it's definitely a good idea but i'm focusing on nufacturing because that's key. if a company uses components manufactured in the rights and they do not pay any taxes from the profit, from that, they get a product. at the moment, companies that manufacture from the united

states import a large amount of their components to manufacture here. that's no what wept. what we need to do -- we want. what we need to do is provide incentives so if the manufactures sourced products from u.s. companies to put into their products, then that percentage becomes tax-free. for example, if ford manufactures a vehicle with 50% of its components manufactured in mexico, for example, then it gets tax free on 50% of the profit from that particular vehicle. it would create cascading manufacturing which is an incentive for them to source products in the u.s. which will create new frack tris and new manufacturing plants to supply the bigger companies and it will jobs.e into millions of

host: next up is mary. what do you think is the best way to bring back jobs? caller: well, i worked in manufacturing and i don't think that's necessarily the answer in the 21st century. they keep talking about bringing back factory jobs. an earlier caller was stating the union, wages are too high. i worked for a union company and right across the street from me is a non-union company. they don't make enough to pay the rent in the city. there's no way you can get ahead if you're bringing back manufacturing jobs and they're paying $8 an hour. i mean that doesn't -- the employees shouldn't have rent everything that is so high, food child care, that doesn't help the economy. we're talking -- president-elect donald trump is talking about manufacturing jobs.

i worked in the 1970's in manufacturing and you could make a living. have come very farther in never kept and we up with it. we just let everything go double. we bring in people from -- services. when they need people, they don't hire anymore. they just bring in temps. there's no incentive for them to bring the wages up. if anything, they're just bringing more temps in, have them do more work and take them away from the people on the street that need a job. i think we need to start realizing that we're going into a computerized age where those jobs even where i worked from the time i started 14 years ago, i cannot count all the jobs that have been taken out of the automotive built manufacturing

corporation. those jobs are taken away by machines every time you come in. they're figuring out a new way to make another job be done by a machine or three jobs at once. sometimes they'll take out three or four at once and you come in and they're showing you how that can be done. that's going to take more jobs way. manufacturing jobs are not the answer. if you bring in manufacturing jobs, they're just going to pay more than they were going to pay people in mexico just to say that manufacturing is back. i don't think that's the answer in this day and age. host: ok. that's mary in ottawa, illinois. let's hear from paul, in new york, new york. paul, what do you say this morning? caller: hi. how you? good morning. host: good morning. caller: the only thing i would have to say about bringing those jobs back, first of all, i'd like to let everybody know that in china, they're investing in

their manufacturing, ok? they're not like americans, worried about the greed. the government actually invests in their manufacturing. they have their universities. they train their students. they train people for the job. they take that stuff very seriously. because they understand that manufacturing can make your country very rich. that's the reason why. if you look at 20 years where china was roughly a poor country, now they have a whole bunch of millionaires is because they make things and they export it to the rest of the world. that's what we used to do here in america and they protect their trade deals with ploring prices. i mean, that hurts america because they're lowering their dollar and they're not being very fair in their trade practices. i want to respond to a lot of americans who had these ideas about manufacturing who have never worked in a machine shop, never worked in construction, never worked in the industry. all right. when you work in this industry t a very hardesty. and it's also an industry that

changes. and it involves. -- evolves. when you go to a modern-day manufacturing facility with robots and all kinds of new technology on how to built, you need technicians that know how to repair those robots and program those robots to do the jobs. you have to go to the manufacture that makes the robots in order to learn that stuff. so where china's investing in their people, we're not. and what we're investing in is wall street. host: all right, that's paul from new york, new york. we want to get in a few other headlines for you this morning, including the news out of florida. here is a story from the florida "sun-sentinel" on the shooting deaths out of the fort lauderdale airport yesterday. the man accused of shooting five people at the airport walked into an f.b.i. office ago in a very agitated state and saying

government has taken over his mind. esteban santiago into the f.b.i.'s anchorage, alaska, office and was acting crazy -- thousands were screaming at the airport including many on the although it was expected to reopen at 5:00 a.m. on saturday. private planes resumed operations at midnight. meanwhile, the "new york times" has a headline about russian hacking. he story says that president

vladimir putin of russia denying illary clinton the presidency. he said --

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recognition. there's some endorphin, ticking in the cognitive area of our brain where we are rewarded for recognizing something we've seen before. so the logic of stereotypes won't ever be interrupted. we can't ever say and i say this in tex-mex, seductive hallucination in my book. don't think you can eradicate them. you're just going to fool yourself. host: and you can watch all of our programming about san diego in one time block on book tv at noon today. we are taking your phone calls on the best way to bring back manufacturing jobs. let's hear from hackettstown, new jersey. anthony is on the line. good morning to you. caller: good morning. thank you, c-span, because for the most part, you're always sound in your approach on the issues. there's a saying everybody wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die.

as long as manufacturers can save two or three dollars on $100 item and people support big box stores so they can buy cheap goods, cheap imports will continue to come. our trade tax are set up to bring these cheap goods. the united states does not emphasize where they have their strength. their strengths are intellectual property innovation and agriculture where we make trade deals. they leave agriculture out for the most part and they do not enforce intellectual properties. these are the future. these are what makes money. and these are where our exports would grow. as far as manufacturing, as long as people will be happy to pay two or three dollars less for an item, people like any kind of department stores, anybody will bring in foreign goods if they can save a buck or two.

they have the labor differential overseas. they have environmental costs overseas. it's not taxes. you have to make money to pay taxes. host: all right. that's anthony from new jersey. donna is calling now from california. i think i got that right. donna, good morning. caller: hi, yes, thank you for taking my call. that is right. it's in san diego county. i have a few things to say about the manufacturing jobs and bringing them back and then a couple of comments. i'll try to be succinct so that i don't take a lot of time. infrastructure jobs, we need to work on infrastructure. we have roads and bridges that are falling down. we need to make jobs that way. there are repairs that need to be done just as far as any ousehold items or even

manufacturing -- one of the other callers was talking about ving robots and whatnot in manufacturing. well those things need to be worked on. technicians. so they're not manufacturing, but more jobs. another caller a while back talked about the asphalts and the concrete falling apart. concrete, you can make concrete with recycled glass and it makes the road really pretty and sparkly. so we can start doing that and reuse glass that way. also solar and wind, we can use more manufacturing that way. here's a town nearby vorrego springs t in the desert and 17 power lines went down when we

had some fires and they decided they need to get off the grid. they're not on the grid. vorrego springs that has their own power. so we could invest in that. but the other -- a couple of things that i wanted to say that people talk about the imports and everything's made in china. and a lot of the people that are pro-trump don't seem to realize that all of the things that he's making is -- his hat, his shirt, his ties, they're not made in the united states. he's not -- talking about anchoring taxes on people that are importing goods but he's importing goods and nobody seems to be -- and nobody seems to realize this and then the news reporters don't inform people.

and i really think that the news mainstream or whoever, news, has fallen down because they don't fact check and they don't call people out when they say things or tweet or whatever. they just repeat it. and they don't fact check. host: that's donna from alifornia. lest hear from tom from california. caller: i've worked with one of the domestic automaker for a supply chain for over 30 chains as program manager. this is a multi-tiered issue in terms of its solution. first of all, there's an investment issue. that's really the major issue. and it's people. and on the capital investment

side, that involves policy. you can't tell companies what to pay people, where they're going to build or sell their stuff. you can't. you have to provide incentives or a model to bring them in. the other issue that's just has not spoken enough about are this training of the individual. a -- ies, obviously, have we'll call it a right to train their people on the systems and in the methods that they deem necessary to make money. on the individual side, to me, this is the issue. our skills have atrophied. since the late 1970's, wages and productivity have gone different ways because skills have atrophied. toyota has six job classifications in its plants. our company has over 24. the problem is we're not multi-skilled anymore. we can't focus on a certain set

of skills and that does not lead to high productivity. host: all right. caller: you have to have people who can do lots of different things. host: that's tom from michigan, telling us his thoughts on the best way to bring manufacturing jobs back to the united states. here's a little information from n.p.r. the radio station put together from lists of u.s. firms investment plants in mexico. here are some of the companies that are planning to expand their operations in the country south of us. cisco systems plans to spend up to $4 billion to expand production. wal-mart will invest $1.3 million in logistics including expanding distribution centers. spectrum air nautical is building an aircraft assembly plant. kansas city counter plans to invest $154 million in mexico. --

host: here's a little more in that article about manufacturing jobs and whether or not they may be able to come back. the story says that here's the problem. whether or not those manufacturing jobs could have been saved, they aren't coming back, at least not most of them. how do we know? because of recent years, factories have been coming back but the jobs haven't. because of rising wages in china, the need for shorter supply chain --

host: and that's the story in 538. we want to know what you think is the best way to bring back manufacturing jobs. myra in new york is our next caller. go ahead, myra. caller: hi. good morning, by the way. host: good morning. caller: i was just wondering, irst time i heard that carrier was going to mexico, i was going to -- thinking to myself all those people in that town know their job. why can't they with help maybe from the government and the help from the union and maybe in investments from their own money invest in buying the building, jobs -- yeah, and investing and starting and working and keeping the building going? keeping the manufacturing -- i don't know if it's possible but that's where i was thinking.

maybe those people just invest it. the government invest it. the union invest it in making another or carrier air-conditioning company, whatever they made and doing it just as well. because they are already trained. but that's one of the ways i was thinking about maybe keeping the jobs here. that's all. i don't even know if it's possible but that's what i was thinking. host: all right. an idea from myra from new york. eric from olympia, washington. eric, good morning. caller: good morning, good morning. how are you? host: i'm good. how are you? caller: quite frank. i have a situation where i ended up selling and losing my house and i tried to figure out what went wrong with that process and i started realizing as americans, we are about $67 trillion in debt and we only have about $13 trillion of

money. so it's the money being pulled out of our pockets, we can't buy things. if we don't buy things, we can't create jobs. and if we're not creating jobs, then people don't work. my concern is the fact that we are agreeing to pay back two to three times to the bank what we borrowed through real estate and because of that upside down debt issue, we don't have any money in our pocket and we're not buying stuff. if you want to have jobs made, people need to buy things and remember to buy it locally so you're giving your neighbors a job. we have to figure out the debt problems and since we owe $67 trillion in total debt, all we have is about $13 trillion to spend, we need to start by having the big banking system actually forgive major amounts of debt. and suddenly, if people are not having to pay off this debt, they're going to be able to buy stuff. and if we're buying stuff, we're creating jobs and we keep jobs in america. so we have a huge debt issue.

and until we can get rid of this enormous debt by forgiveness. we can't pay it off. we've only got $13 trillion. nd if we only have $13 zprl we owe almost $67 trillion, we can't pay the debt. we have to forgive debt. host: eric, we hear you this morning. eric from olympia, washington. we want to show you a few of the front pages in newspaper. here is a front page of the tallahassee democrat. five dead. terror in the terminal. some of the headlines. a man opens fire random at baggage accumulate. he is captured after the incident. senator said that the shooting shows need to repeal fun with-free zones. and from the tallahassee democrat, palm beach post, here is the front page there. "run, run, run." it's a dramatic headline that

they're showing right on top of their fold. suspects life have been reeling for over a year. an in-depth profile of the man accused in the shooting death. up to 40 has been hurt. dramatic photos. "south florida sun sentinel," deadly fire, gunfire and then chaos. you can see the front page there and some images from the airport. we are taking your phone calls on the best way to bring back manufacturing jobs. let's turn to san antonio, texas, kelly is on the line. kelly, good morning. caller: good morning, c-span. thank you so much for being a forum for us to share our opinions. it's greatly appreciated. i just want to say that it does have to start with these conversations and to echo one of the gentleman said earlier. it has to start with policy. when nafta was signed in, we did

nothing but start a race to the bottom across the world. why we are competing with countries that do not ask the same worker in environmental laws and regulations seems like a good place to start. why are we even trading with these countries? i mean, beginning with saudi arabia. if we really want to bring back manufacturing we need to look at the regulations because our workers against compete other countries willing to degrade their work force and environment. and until we start having politicians willing to step up and call this to the carpet, we're not going to see change. furthermore, we're missing an opportunity to lift up the rest of the world with these

policies that our country has helped form. so that's my humble two cents. and thank you so much, c-span, we look forward to listening to you in the new year. host: that's kelly from san antonio, texas. here are some of the tweets that donald trump put out this week. here's one, toyota motor said we'll build a new plant in baja, mexico to build corolla cars for u.s. no way, build plant in u.s. or pay big border tax. that tweet has accurate information in it, however. another tweet, general motors sending mexican made motors chevy cruz tax free across the border, make u.s.a. or pay big border tax. and chairman of ford advised me he'll keep the lincoln plant in kentucky, no mexico. now, even as donald trump criticized some companies on

twitter, nor -- senator chuck schumer took issue with this type of communication in his first speech at senate minority leader. here's what he had to say. senator schumer: we have real challenges and real needs to get things done. many americans are afraid, mr. president-elect, that instead of rolling up your sleeves and forging serious policies for there's nothing wrong to use twitter to speak to the american people. it's a good use of modern media but these issues are complex and need careful consideration and action. we cannot tweet them away. tweeting about 800 jobs you saved is not a remanufacturing policy. that's not an economic policy. we're going to hold the president-elect accountable for a real policy to stop jobs from leaving this country, not just one half of one plant, not just

one tweet, even if republicans in congress oppose it. host: let's hear now from marty in fort lauderdale, florida. marty, good morning to you. first i want to ask you what your reaction might be to the shooting deaths that occurred in your town just yesterday. caller: oh, we all were shocked by it. it's an awful thing for people to be going to an airport -- going on a vacation. it's an awful thing. everybody here feels badly about it. host: marty, what is your thought on the question of the morning now, the best way to bring back manufacturing jobs. caller: i want to say good morning c-span and good morning americans. host: good morning. caller: i'd like to see all companies show the percentage of product, of their product made in america. like when you go to the supermarket and buy a can of soup, it tells you how much

sodium and fat is in it. the american public makes a decision to buy that product based on what they want to put into their bodies. the same thing can be true with cars, for example, or any product. i never bought chinese made tires. i look at the tires and say i only want to buy the tires made in america and they gave me a list and i buy from that. listen, people, all of you out there, we have a lot of power in determining what companies will do their products. if you don't believe that, look at mcdonald's, the fast food industry. they changed their product line because there was a demand for healthier products forced them to. so you have -- that's my comment. americans, you've got to get together. we have a lot of power. and let's put it to use. companies will react paced on what he with do in buying. that's it. host: marty from fort lauderdale. the last caller from this segment will be jacky from

dallas, texas. you have the last word. caller: good morning. thank you so much for having me. host: go ahead. caller: i just wanted to say with we guards to bringing manufacturing jobs back to america, it's going to be a multifaceted initiative. we can't just focus on bringing jobs back to america. as a nation, we're only as strong as our weakest citizen. and we have to educate our citizens. we have to be progressive, not politically progressive, just progressive as individuals. we have to educate our citizens. we have to roll back the initiative that congress initially put into place in 2000 that allowed these jobs to go out of the country. there are just so many things we have to do to bring jobs back to america instead of just one thing. there's so much going on. in order for us to compete in the world. host: that's jacky from dallas, texas, the last word on how to

bring manufacturing jobs back to the u.s. up next we'll be talking to bradley olsen, the national energy correspondent from "the wall street journal" and will , discussing former c.e.o. tillerson, and show how his 40 years at exxon may impact his future positions. and later, washington examiner senior health care correspondent paige winfield cunningham will be joining us with the latest efforts in congress to repeal the affordable care act and she'll discuss both the political and policy battles now underway. at first here's a clip from yesterday's joint session of congress to verify and count the electoral college votes from each state for president and vice president. during those proceedings, some democratic members, along with protesters, voiced their disapproval. [video clip] >> president, i abject to the votes from wisconsin. >> does the gentle lady --

please come to order. [inaudible] >> the cheer has previously ruled. the gentle woman will suspend as the chair ruled a signature from a senator is required. is there such a signature? >> mr. president, i do have a written document. >> the objection cannot be received. the clerk will continue to call the roll. i mean will continue to tally. >> mr. president, this is the electoral vote from the state of wyoming seems authentic and appears donald j. trump from the state of new york received three votes for president and michael pence from the state of indiana received three votes for vice president. >> for what purpose does the gentle woman from develop rise? -- from california rise? >> i do not wish to debate. i want to ask is there one united states senator who will join me in this letter of objection? >> there is no debate. the gentle woman will suspend.

the chair has previously ruled the signature from a senator is required. objection cannot be received. tim kaine of the commonwealth of virginia has received 227 -- [inaudible] >> there will be order. inaudible] >> from the gallery. [inaudible] > order. >> elizabeth warren from the commonwealth of massachusetts received two, maria cantwell from the state of washington received one. susan collins from the state of maine received one. carly fiorina from the commonwealth of virginia received one. the sergeant at arms remove the protesters from the gallery.