tv House Colloquy on the Affordable Care Act CSPAN February 4, 2017 4:20am-4:57am EST
." erica: the greatest good and "retaking america: crushing political correctness." an --also the founder of organization dedicated to american exceptionalism worldwide. to 3:00 p.m.on eastern sunday on book tv on c-span two. before recessing for the week, kevin mccarthy and house minority whip foyer debated plans to repeal the affordable care act. >> for what purpose does the gentleman from maryland seek recognition question mark -- seek recognition?
>> to speak out of order for one minute for the purpose of the schedule for the week to come. >> without objection. >> i yield to my friend mr. mccarthy. mr. mccarthy: i think you gentlemen for yielding, i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks. >> without objection. mr. mccarthy: on monday, the house will meet at noon and 2:00 p.m. for legislative business. votes will be postponed until 6:00 p.m.. on tuesday, the house will meet at 10:00 p.m. for morning hour and at noon for legislating business. last book of the week are expected during the evening hours on tuesday. mr. speaker, the house will consider a number of suspensions next week, a complete list of which will be announced by close of business today.
the house will also continue our work under the congressional review act to undo onerous obama administration regulations through three more joint resolutions. the first, sponsored by representative guthrie will stop a rule that significantly bans the federal government's involved in -- involvement in teacher education, which could result in fewer teachers serving some of our nation's most vulnerable children. and it could make it harder for schools to recruit the best teachers. this is the exact opposite of what americans want for their children. the second sponsored by wouldentative akita lawide -- this bipartisan allows states to hold schools accountable. somehow when the regulation came out, there was an expanded federal role, this was not the congress intended nor is it the
best for our students. the third, sponsored by representative liz cheney addresses how the department of the interior regulates management plans. his plans guide how it manages federal land. the rule only addresses how peel them must -- blm must deal with the public. we are rightfully concerned there is no process of procedure for a local government in these new rules. may notice friend that a familiar friend is not sitting next to me today. then how are is in the gallery today. after serving eight years on capitol hill, the last six in my lefte, our friend ben has the job. he is now working in the white house office of legislative affairs. then was one of the first people we hired when i was elected majority whip. it was here that most people around the hill got to know been through his always witty floor
updates and always constant penn state football commentary. when i was elected majority leader, i asked ben to be majority leader, a position he has served well for the past two plus years. my friend would be happy to know that ben is from maryland. he was born and raised and currently resides in only -- with his wife amy and their two young sons john and daniel. on behalf of myself and our entire team, and the entire republican conference, i just want to thank ben for his years of service and wish him many years of happiness for his hard work. [applause] and i will yield back. i think the gentleman for the schedule of regulations to come. i'm sure we will have some discussions about that next week
. in fact, we will have some discussions about all of these regulations which we believe reduce the protections according -- afforded the american people. however, first, mr. speaker, let me note that first of all we have another been in maryland. he is the senior senator, a formal colleague of ours ben cardin. he had a tv ad which ended with my friend, ben. i want to say high to my friend know,ho has all of you arved with us, made such positive difference. time, rose above what might be the partisan confrontation that members have an continued to try and reach
consensus so this institution will run positively and well for the american people. then howard has been one of those people. howard has been one of those people. my board has worked as a deadly with ben through the years. -- positively with then through the years. ben, we are going to miss you. i am sure were you go,. you will advantage the enterprise that you associate with. maryland is one of our thriving communities, we are always proud of our marylanders. they always do a good job. i will say to him, god speed. i don't want to wish him a lot of success, i do wish -- ben's state a lot of success, but i do wish you a lot of success.
some subjects to we might not have as much agreement on as we do on ben howard and his service. one of the first acts of know, which was the plan to begin the reconciliation process to repeal the affordable care act. budget resolution set a deadline of january 27 the committee is on the repealing of the law. it is not the third of february and after voting 65 times, house and senate republicans do not have, as far as i know, and don't appear to have, a replacement. as i read in the papers, mr. speaker, divided on the path forward. repealing aca without replacing it immediately will not only cause 30 billion americans -- 3 billion americans to lose coverage, it would raise costs for tens of millions more. i would suggest everyone who has insurance and, clearly those who
do not and would not have access, mark meadows chairs the house freedom caucus said "we need to slow down the process so we can understand a little bit more the specifics and timetable of reconciliation instructions." "politico" this year. senator bob corker said "there is more concern about not doing repeal and replace simultaneously. ,ou would think after six years we would have a pretty good do." of what we'd like to we have not seen a repeal and
replace plan. repealingn is, if does move forward, that a replacement bill would be considered simultaneously. i yelled to my friend. mr. mccarthy: i think the gentleman for yielding. i am not sure if you want me to speed up or slow down, but i think -- >> i could clarify that for the gentleman. do you want me to clarify my question? it is, what are you going to do? 5 regardless of the -- won the election, we would both be sitting here today, having this same conversation of what we would replace it with. let's simply talk about the facts. there were 23 co-ops created in obamacare. they were given $2 billion.
as of today, 18 of them have failed. little moreghly a than 3000 counties in america. 1022 of those counties, roughly one third, now only have one insurance company. five states only have one insurance company thanks to obamacare. all of america knows the old quotes. if you like your health plan, you can keep it. we know that is no longer true. if you like your doctor, you can keep them. that is no longer true. set premiumsident would go down by $2500, now we know that is not true. we would have this discussion regardless of who won this election. obamacare has failed. so yes, we are going to work together, just as after the last
election, is why i put a letter out to every governor, republican or democrat, every insurance commissioner, republican or democrat, to provide ideas. we welcome every idea on the other side of the aisle who do. we will do this differently. we welcome your ideas, as well. if you notice in the energy and commerce committee, they have the hearing schedules. we will begin and it will be an open process and we welcome your participation, because we want a system that works. we do not want to come back here and have a system that has failed. i believe we have the ideas to make it work correctly. i yield back. mr. hoyer: i think the gentleman. we are not in agreement. mr. speaker. would beould be doing 180 degrees different.
we would not be pretending that we would repeal the affordable care act it has been a success. , mr. speaker,e that having 30 million americans insured that were not insured before the affordable care act is a failure. we do not agree that people with pre-existing conditions can now grip -- get insurance is a failure. we do not agree that people who are 26 or younger being on their families policy when they don't have a job or alternative insurance is not a failure. we do not agree that americans having the security that there's -- their insurance will not be canceled because they have reached an annual limit is not a failure. we do not agree that americans having no lifetime limit so that they have a catastrophic illness, they will still have coverage, that is not a failure. failure -- what is a
failure is to have pretended for six year they want to repeal and have no -- replacement as at this time. that was a failure. says, mr. speaker, that his plan is going to make sure that everybody is insured. comprehensive coverage. and the costs will come down. he has now offered a bill to affect that objective. we would welcome such a bill so we could consider it. no, mr. speaker very. the 3 million -- had the 3 voters whoitional voted for hillary clinton prevailed, but no, the electoral college prevail. as misting -- miss clinton said
she would do if elected. so the majority leader is in deep error. on if we would be having the same debate. outcomeght, we had an of a party and a president who said they repeal the affordable care act. kathynference chair rogers stated, let me be clear, no one who has coverage because of obamacare today will lose that coverage. the majority leader said something about the president saying if you like your policy, you can keep it. fact, the president was substantially right on that. or their or their minimum coves
so people were scammed by insurance companies who said you have insurance but by the way, we don't cover that. by the way, we don't cover that. have you seen those ads about, i bought a new car and had the wreck a day later and guess what, the insurance company wants to give me 90% less. --t's what the incurrence insurance companies were doing. people thought they had insurance and they didn't have it. kathy rogers says you aren't going to lose anything. i don't know, if it was so bad, why don't you repeal it? why don't you offer a bill to repeal it? and undermine all of those factors of the affordable care act that are now available to americans that i suggested. president trump said last month that republicans were nearing the -- completion of a replacement that would provide insurance for every body. you get on. -- bring it on.
insurance for everybody. let's see it. he went on to say his plan would have a lower number, much lower deductibles. god bless him, bring it on. let's vote on it. floor and i'me not sure when it will be on the floor, but perhaps the majority leader can tell us. it will yield just a second. my question to you is, when do you expect such a bill consistent with the president's representation to the american people of everybody having insurance and at lower costs and lower deductibles. when do we expect a deal like that on the table and i yield to the majority leader? 5 i think the -- mr. mccarthy: i think the gentleman for healing. you would know there are 400 pages in there that gave a huge amount of power to health and
human services. unfortunately today, that secretary has not been confirmed. that secretary is not confirmed simply because of politics. it is not on my side of the aisle, it is on the democrat's side of the aisle over in the senate. you know how far they have gone or how much they really want to work on health care? you actually said it needed to be reformed, they wouldn't even show up in committee. how much do they really care about americans? they don't even show up in committee to ask the questions. they want to run and hide. so how much do they really want to work? quote,ant to go quote by how do we go back to what president obama said when premiums would lower by $2500? what do we say to arizona or go 3/4ee, and we
tennessee county have only one provider. alabama, 58%, pennsylvania 53%. nebraska 51%. can we stop this rhetoric and get to work? i can tell you this. next month is when we begin because i am hope will we will no longer put up with the political games on the senate side. we will confirm the new secretary because you have to have a secretary in place if you want to reform obamacare because you gave so much power to the secretary. we all know that. so let's work together on behalf of the american people and end this pain. i will tell you this. the unfortunate reality in today's system, coverage does not always mean care. deductibles are so high, many
people don't even go to their doctors. i can tell you states, prior to obamacare, their high risk pools were cheaper than for their care and now just buying obamacare. we all know it is a failure. so let's stop playing the political games and let's put the people before politics and let's put a system that works. our door is open, the committee is open for all ideas and let's work together to solve it. i yield back. mr. mccarthy: i think the majority leader for his comments. i don't and he wants me to delve very deeply into why we do not have a secretary health and human services. because the republicans have not produced, nor has the nominee , as the full disclosure
gentleman knows, of his financial dealings with respect to legislation that he introduced and supported. full information so they can make a considered judgment. i won't go further into that deep well, however. thatl say to the gentleman you don't need a secretary to bring legislation to the floor. new is not an issue that is this year or as the result of the november election of last year. votes frankly, after 65 on this floor to repeal the affordable care act, without an alternative, without an alternative. friend, withy great respect, you have had six years. six years, you can catalog all the things you think are bad. obviously you don't mention
anything's better good except so many in your caucus, perhaps the overwhelming majority say, we are going to keep pre-existing conditions, we are going to keep 26. of course, we won't eliminate annual limits, because that will hurt people and forced them into bankruptcy. i don't hear that discussion going on. but the fact of the matter is, you cannot get away from the fact that six years have gone by since we adopted the affordable care act. six years of complaining about how awful it is and by the way, as the gentleman knows, the majority of people now have made it very clear they do not want to repeal the affordable care act on the spacey a replacement on the table that they consider and look at alternatives. it is now approximately -- as you know, mr. nader, the first time in six years because people said we don't like the .ffordable care act in a vacuum but now, when it really may be
repealed, they are looking at it more closely and they don't know what is going to replace it. and they are concerned, i will tell you family after family after family -- i had someone come up at the grocery store two nights ago with tears in his eye, saying don't let them repeal the affordable care act. i have a son who has a dire illness and because of the affordable care act, he would not be covered and we couldn't keep him alive. tears in his eye. so when i hear you catalog some of the things -- those cases aren't mentioned. the 30 million aren't mentioned. the pre-existing conditions aren't mentioned. , youl say to my friend don't need a secretary of health to bring a bill. mr. mccarthy: yes you do. mr. hoyer: i will go to another subject unless you want to say
something. leader, obviously we are very concerned about the affordable care act but we are also concerned -- talk about executive orders. on this refugee ban. according to everybody, issued without much consultation from anybody other than within the white house. refugeesbanning muslim into this country even after very strong setting. vetting. the complication is you have to have representation as a ban, as he said he was going to do in the election. he referred to a band just a few days ago. i would point out you, mr. leader, not a single terrorist one, has been perpetrated by a refugee coming
into this country from any one of the seven nations mentioned. in the ban. we believe this is not only contrary to the constitution, but it is contrary to our principles. make it clear,e mr. leader, so there is no confusion. nobody on this side of the aisle doesn't want to make americans landrs secure, americans and assets safe and the american people safe. everyone of us on this side of the aisle wants to make sure this happens. we certainly want to make sure vetting is appropriate. and as the majority leader knows, the vetting today is a very long and careful process. ban alienatess our allies and emboldens
terrorists who are now saying, see, strictly is a war on islam. consistent with the safety of our men and women at the point of the spirit and not consistent with the security of our allies in the middle east. senators have said exactly that. quote,inted out and i our government makes us safer a upholds all that is decent and exceptional about our nation. it is clear -- this is john mccain and lindsey graham, it is clear from the confusion at our airports across the nation that president trump's executive order was not properly vetted. senator graham, senator mccain, chairman of the armed services committee, the gentleman from
south carolina. they go on, we're particularly concerned by reports that this order went into effect with little or no consultation with the department of state, defense, justice, and homeland security. such a hasty process risks harmful results. it continues to be a quote of senator mccain and senator graham. ultimately we fear this executive order will become a self-inflicted wound in the fight against terrorism. senator mccain knows something about increased risk. he went on to say, along with senator graham, this executive order sends a signal intended or not that america does not want muslims coming into our country. this why we fear, fear executive order may do more to recruitment s'
than improve our security. they said that on the 29th of january, just four days ago. at least four times this week, mr. leader, we asked for the consideration of h.r. 724, which rescinds the defund and defunds the refugee ban. the speaker said when he took office initially he repeated this year that we were going to have an open, transparent process, and we would consider the important issues of the day on this floor with opportunity to every member of this house to offer their alternatives. i would ask the gentleman whether -- i know the committee would not report it out, but this is a critical issue to our country, to our safety, and to our values. and i ask the gentleman is there a possibility that you would bring to the floor next
week or the week thereafter, preferably next week, h.r. 724 so that the members of this house, the people's representatives, could speak to this critically important issue consistent with the observations of senator mccain and senator graham. i yield to my friend. mr. mccarthy: i thank the gentleman for yielding. i listened to the speaker when he took office, too, he also said regular order. and the schedule of next week is not on the list. the executive order signed by the president is really, as you know, is based on legislation that passed this house with overwhelming bipartisan support. it was following the attacks over the past two years. it was the safe act that passed this house 289-137. and the visa waiver program improvement and terrorist travel prevention act. passed by 407-19. i'll point out that these two bills received veto-proof majorities.
president obama signed the visa waiver bill into law. president trump's actions are temporary pauses and reassess our vetting procedures to keep our country safe. while they were certainly some confusion with how this was implemented over the weekend, the secretary of homeland security is effectively addressing key issues to ensure legal permanent residents that are returning to our country are allowed entry unless their security service vs. a compelling reason to suggest otherwise. america remains a place of refuge for those seeking, peace, freedom, and opportunity across the world. now, my friend knows because we have been in meetings this week , our rhetoric matters. other people listen to what we say. in these type of situations, especially with the new administration, i've always told my children, in any time of a situation, let's take a deep breath, let's not lose our head, and especially with a
brand new administration, i try to give him the benefit of the doubt. they don't have their cabinet there yet. let's let them get their footing. it is not a ban. it is a pause. it is based upon two pieces of legislation that passed this house. and you love to quote people. and if i may, house democrats and house republicans have no greater priority than keeping americans safe. this is not a partisan issue nor is it a partisan difference. many americans are frustrated with the pace of progress against isis in iraq and syria. i want to see the administration in congress working together to protect our nation. the reforms in this bill are an excellent start. this legislation will make it easier for law enforcement to vet those visitors coming from visa waiver countries such as in europe, to ensure we're not admitting those who have traveled to places like iraq
and syria and link up with isis. that was said by you. mr. hoyer: i think that's an excellent quote. which i still agree with. mr. mccarthy: so what i would say to the gentleman, let's work with this administration. let's make sure as we sat in our meeting this week with leaders of other countries, i thought their advice was was good advice. let's not say what this is not. because it -- we may get political points with one another, but it puts them in harm's way. and they know what the truth of this is. so i think you and i agree on a lot of different things, and we're cordial with one another when we disagree. i don't think this is an area where sometimes we may
disagree, but sometimes we have shown we could agree. i know you want to keep america safe, and i know we want to keep america safe. i also know it's a brand new administration. i also know when i go down to that white house, you have been there with me, there is not a lot of staff there. i know there's going to be a few hiccups along the way. i'm going to work with them. i'm going to help them. i want you to help us help them as well. i yield back. mr. hoyer: thank you very much, mr. leader. can i ask you to do something? mr. mccarthy: the advice you give to your children, about taking a breath? perhaps before they tweet? would you do me a favor. mr. mccarthy: my kids don't tweet. mr. hoyer: that's good advice as well. could you give that advice to the president of the united states and tell him to take a breath before he makes policy or
before he offends our allies or before he creates great fear in those who hear what he has to say off the cuff? and yes, i understand that rhetoric counts. you might talk to him about that as well. he's the one that call this is a ban. i know that everybody else is trying to clean it up and i hope that's the case, and in fact, i have seen, yes, the head of homeland security, general kelly, secretary kelly, trying to clean it up. it is a darn shame that it wasn't cleaned up before. it was a darn shame that the time was not taken to do a -- an order that would, yes, make sure that vetting was appropriate, as my quote was and our legislation. that you talked about. but yes, good advice to your children and good advice to this
president. let me just finish then i'll yield back, yield to you. just don't, as immediately comes to mind, tweet it and have the impact not known to you or your staff or to the country but almost invariably we have seen has a negative effect. i yield to my friend. mr. mccarthy: i thank the gentleman for yielding. you know, president obama said that he was rooting for president trump's success. i'd also give the advice, let's not root against him. he still doesn't have his own cabinet. when i watch and listen to what some on the other side, their own leadership, say about some there, i can see where the rhetoric continues to thrive. i think we should put that down. the election is over. now is the time to govern.
there are big problems out there. and we can score as many political points as we want back and forth. but there are challenges. you and i have worked together on so many issues out here. from opioid, from the vee ka waiver so many times. nd we disagree at times. i think it would be good for us and the american public if we can show the leadership to do that. i look forward to working with you on these issues. mr. hoyer: i thank the gentleman for his comment. i think we've demonstrated over the years that we ascribe to that concept. my point to you is that in the first 10 or 12 days of this administration, that concept has been put at great risk. i think the gentleman's advice is good. we have pursued that. i simply urge him to suggest to the president of the united states that he adopt that