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he is the author of several books. with neilepth degrasse tyson live from noon to 3:00 eastern on "book tv" on c-span 2. journal" continues. alina polyakova is the research director for the atlantic council. the website is atlanticcouncil c org. what are the overriding issues? what are people deciding? it is alyakova: watershed moment for france. major parties have entered the second round of elections, so voters are being asked to choose between two very different candidates. the first candidate, emmanuel macron, is a pro-europe,
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pro-globalist agenda, and le pen is the opposite, marine le pen got on the far right populist party is running on the anti-globalist, anti-immigrant, what she calls the program's agenda to reestablish -- the pro-france orders. steve: here is barack obama weighing in on the election. how unusual is it? alina polyakova: i think it is unusual to be honest with you. barack obama is popular in france today, and that was part of the incentive in the macron campaign was getting his endorsement, but having a former u.s. president is not something we typically see, but not out of the blue either. steve: because president general has praised le pen sanctions will keep the borders
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safe. alina polyakova: yes. but i think we have to look beyond the twitter account of our current president or former president and government officials and look at what the u.s. will actually do. someone like macron will be a better ally for the united states, a strong europe is good for u.s. national security. france is a key partner in soping us battle terrorism, it is good for the united states. here is more with the 44th president, barack obama. barack obama: i have been grateful for the french people and the work we did together when i was work -- president of the united states. i am not planning to get involved in many elections, but the french election is very important to the future of france and the values we care so much about. the success of france matters to the entire world.
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i have admired the campaign emmanuel macron has run. he has to do for liberal values. he put forward vision for the important moment france place in germany and around the world. he appeals to people's hopes, not their fears, and i enjoyed speaking to emmanuel recently to hear about his independent movement and vision for the people of france. i know you face many challenges, and i want all of my friends to know how much i am rooting for your success because of how important this election is. i want you to know i am supporting emmanuel macron to lead you forward. steve: that was barack obama pledging his support for emmanuel macron. will it make a difference? alina polyakova: we will have to see. president obama is opulent with french voters, so this was -- is
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popular with french voters. we will have to see. steve: the washington post framed it in this context, the french divide mirrors the west.
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alina polyakova: i think perhaps that is going a little too far, mind you. in the seen that dynamic last election. i think the campaign secretary clinton and now president trump could be facing those terms as well. the campaign between macron and le pen is happening on this wedge, are you pro-globalism, are you pro-cosmopolitan, or are you more for a closed society? but look at germany. germany will have elections in the fall, very important elections for europe and the united states. we do not see that kind of wedge in germany. mainstream two parties, center-right and centerleft competing with each other. the french parties are not iining party in germany, so
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would not say it is a part of this very broad, sweeping problem we will experience in every single election. steve: we are talking with alina polyakova. the numbers will continue to be on the bottom of the screen. they will send us a tweet at cspanwj. we are reading about terrorism but also unemployment. alina polyakova: it has been frustrating for young people in france. there has been a large stagnant and high unemployment rate among .he young, 10% that is the case for almost a decade. the economic crisis hit france. very hard,-- france 2008, 2009. as theylem in france have a regulated economic system
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, macron wants to change that, le pen also in a different way. the economic issue, how do we get the economy going, how did we get the new generation real choices? how do we help them no longer feel mired like the system is working against them? young people in cosmopolitan centers like paris have a much easier time than the smaller cities, and that is reflected through the support of who supports macron. was worn inuest ukraine, raised in georgia. as you look at your native country, are things more or less stable? alina polyakova: in ukraine, certainly some of the issues we are talking about now are relevant, certainly torn between to the west, globalization, all the things
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like macron represents, then looking towards the east, towards russia, the not liberal state. things in ukraine are more stable than many would have expected given a major revolution, regime change, ongoing war in the is, occupation of other territories with the russian federation, but things are not as bad as anyone would expect. ukraine is moving forward but slowly. the economy is weak, and the people are frustrated at the lack of reform on corruption. steve: jerry is joining us from ohio, line for independents. caller: thank you for taking my call. how are you all? steve: we are fine. caller: i don't know all the difference -- details about the election, but le pen seems to be the outsider.
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president barack obama, the people he supported in israel and the u.k. and the united states, they all failed. i'm kind of glad he is supporting -- you might fail too . even if the poll is 20% difference, i don't know. polls, then on the the polls is wrong. steve: let's talk about the polls, i had 24 points. we have seen polls wrong in the past. alina polyakova: the polls favor macron, but in that unit states and the u.k., the polls only tell us so much. one comforting thing to those who still want to believe in polls is that in the first round of french elections at the end of april, the polls were right
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on point. the final result and the fact that macron and le pen went to the second round were almost perfect, which is different than we saw in the u.k. and here in the united states. there is some reason to believe what the polls are dictating is the likely outcome. steve: let's go to mike in birmingham, alabama, republican line. good morning. caller: how are you doing? steve: we are fine. caller: i am a former u.s. marine, served in the force. i am a big donald trump supporter. i was very proud of britain for getting out of the e.u. , i hopeink that le pen she is elected because the fact of the matter is, we are getting tired of all the leftists, they are really communist. we are taking them on.
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in germany and the rest of europe, they need to wake up, because if it wasn't for us, history would be all over you. alina polyakova: i think the caller brings up a good point. in france, the communist at the poles of the end of the first round. he got about 20% of the vote, putting him on par with the center-right candidate fillon. so this was a surprise to french voters to see not just the french political party on the right but also the political party on the far left it so much support. it points out people are tired of establishment politics, and that is why we have the outcome in france where we don't have an establishment party that is being represented in today's election. emmanuel macron, we make practical him in the establishment box.
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he serves his own political movement called on our way, en marche in french, and that has only been around a year. and le pen has been around since 1972, and she is savvy as a political leader, political organizer, and this may macron is the outsider, so we have seen politics turn upside down in france. it is hard to say who represents the establishment anymore at all. steve: what about francois hollande? does he have any influence? alina polyakova: it doesn't seem like it anymore. up to the elections, hollande was known as the most unpopular french president in history, his approval ratings around 4%. steve: why? alina polyakova: he was criticized for his handling of the awful terrorist attack that happened across france the last
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year. he did not really speak to voters' concerns about security, immigration, how france will rectify the issues. the french economy has not been doing well under him. did not runl he again. steve: we are talking with alina polyakova of the atlantic council. we have someone from tennessee. ask, whatjust want to are the difference maker that makes an election go well knowing that you have the opposite agenda running against? especially if you a woman.
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what specific things do you have yourself if you are the opposite agenda? steve: i think we get the essence of it. it is no stranger in europe. alina polyakova: another reason why the french elections are historic is because we have a female, marine le pen, running against what could be the youngest president in france, emmanuel macron. we have never had eight people president before -- had a female president before. she would be the first. so we have seen the emergence and the rise of women coming to power. still the minority. theresa may, angela merkel injury, but still the minority, but maybe this this could change. steve: how much influence has
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marine le pen's father had on her political views? alina polyakova: it is a fascinating french dynamic. pen, the founder hethe party she now leads, was explicitly racist, anti-semitic. he was a college -- holy kiss -- holocaust denier in france. and she made very concerted efforts to move her party away from that nationalist agenda. now we have seen her campaign is very aware of the kind of baggage her father's image still brings, though she went to expel her own father from the party in 2015. big scandal obviously, that many of her posters do not mention her last name. it just says marine. she wants to distance herself from the national front in terms
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of campaigning and rhetoric. muchas moved her party closer to the center. that is why she finds herself gaining in the polls, something her father was never truly able to achieve. steve: voting going on in france. randy is joining us from amsterdam, new york, republican line. our guest represents the atlantic council. good morning. outer: i just want to point ,he left liberal snowflakes they are blaming russia and our election, then find out they are meddling in another country's election. i wondered if you could comment on that. alina polyakova: certainly president obama, he is by all measures a private citizen.
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significant question whether it is smart or prudent to be a sitting president, to endorse a political candidate, but he is no longer our president. the president's presentation rep, and he has made this -- is president trump, and he has made this choice. it was his choice as a private citizen to do so. steve: we are talking with alina polyakova, and joining us is stacy, the paris bureau chief for the wall street journal joining us from france. thank you for being with us. caller: glad to be here. steve: let's talk about the turnout. what are you seeing across the country today? caller: so far it looks like the turnout is in line with the last presidential cycle which was 2012. so for the various analysts, we were looking at ways of extensions.
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that is yet to materialize. steve: we covered the debate, and it was one of the most contentious we have seen in a long time between candidates on our website. i would be curious to get your take on these contenders, emmanuel macron and marine le pen. caller: they had a fairly vicious exchange on live television that went on for hours where they were talking over each other, fighting for the last word. the debate drew comparisons to , andrump-hillary debate they were not favorable to france. was civildebate discourse. steve: let me ask you about the polling, because the polls in the run-up to the election have been fairly accurate. we will know later today when the results come in in france,
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but how is it done in that country, and what are you looking at when the returns come in across the country the door -- country? p.m., weround 8:00 will get projections of two of the leading polling agencies. they tend to be very accurate at least on the first round on more 28, they did not add ballots when the final result came in. what they do basically is have analysts with hundreds of polling stations around the country, and based on the early counts, they build models for the rest of the day. steve: once the election results are in and the winner has been declared, can you walk us through the patrician process? -- transition process? caller: it is certainly quick and very to the u.s.
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within a matter of weeks, we will see the winner taking office. you will name a prime minister. the prime minister will go about forming the cabinet. about a month from election day, today, we will have legislative elections, where there the winner, emmanuel macron or marine le pen, will have to cobble together a minority. it will be difficult for both of them. neither comes from an established party. they don't have a large political coalition behind them, so there will be a real scramble especially i think for emmanuel macron who literally launched his party and year ago. trump'snd has president influence been felt in this election in france? caller: it is hard to say.
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the is obvious is that trump election in november provided the sort of shock to the french and european political system. a lot of people are looking at .hat as a sort of wake-up call establishment leaders, pro-europe people saying, we can't do it anymore. we are extending the european union and what it stands for, start taking steps to prepare what is essentially a dysfunctional architecture. meichtry, joining us live from france. thank you very much. we appreciate it. steve: no problem at all, thank you. from delta,es florida. democrats. macron with regards to
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,orming a legislative block what are the parallels and the contrast between progressive movements in a country like france as compared to the united states? caller: steve: think -- thank you charles. have polyakova: we only two parties compete for the presidency here. mike ross challenge will be -- micron's challenge will be how do you bring together all of the various laws? there are six blocks to the party blocks in the french national assembly. macron;s movement doesn't have any representatives in the national assembly. le pen only has two representatives in the wrench assembly. so i think it will be different.
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what macron will have to do is bring together elements of the socialist party and potentially also the far left communist party whose current leader has not endorsed macron and whose representatives may not support him in the national assembly either. he will also have to bring on the central right, the republicans, if he wants to have a real majority coalition. he will have to reach across various aisles in france to try to build some force for his political agenda if he is still up to it. we are talking to alina polyakova. good morning. caller: good morning. this show.l, i love it is very informative, and to get right to the point, i decided a long time ago i wanted to create a government that was
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people who want a global representation of their views and who wants to run for mysident would go to website, which is top 10 new laws.com and learn about the 10 laws i want to pass and run for president of global government, vice president, because all of this, different countries, different presidents, it is not enough. we need to have a global government with global representation. people who are globally minded. we have a global economy, but we don't have the representation. the u.n. is not enough. alina polyakova: i would say in many ways the e.u., the entire european project has been an experiment. governmentn global as the color points out, how many states with histories come together to discover as a block.
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we are seeing now a lot of building resentment while the idea is very good, it has led to a lot of economic growth within the eu. reality is much more challenging and difficult politically. host: i asked you about the father daughter connection with marine le pen, what about the husband-wife relationship with micron? guest: it has been a sub -- subject of tabloid press. she will end up the voicing --
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divorcing her husband. she wound up marrying him. it was very private as a couple. there has been some reporting that she is the one behind some of the very local organizations that his campaign has managed to pull together in a short time. we will have to see. if he wins, what influence will she have as first lady? some say she is very smart politically. we simply don't know. her background doesn't give us much to go on. she was a teacher for most of her life. host: what is the future of the eu from your standpoint? guest: it is going through some serious crisis moments. european citizens who make up the european union are going through an identity crisis. needs athe project serious electric shock, there
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needs to be some real change. masterson chatman with you. those numbers have shifted recently. reignited that it's a good thing and now the future is more uncertain than it ever has been since the union was initially formed in a slightly different structure in the 1950's. what we are seeing is there was an assumption when that you came together that we would have economic prosperity, that the eu would be a union. you want to take the economic prosperity away and you have mass immigration and mass unemployment, things nobody could've ever predicted. that vision doesn't hold as well as the founders had hoped. point in very critical the history of europe. host: thank you very much for
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here? >> they vary from day to day, sometimes you can have up to 60 or 70 barges to load. farthest powerplant is probably inside 400 miles from here. probablyd take cold two or three days to get there by water. still, it's a lot quicker than it would be if you are trying to use the roads to get there. much coal comes through here on a daily basis? coal to 30,000 tons of will come through on a daily basis. >> how many people does it take to move that western mark >> very minimal. operator.dozer re have a boat

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