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night. c-span, were history unfolds daily. in 1979, c-span was created as a and is brought to you today by your cable or satellite provider. "washington journal" continues. host: back at her table this morning, democrat of california, congressman ro khanna, member of the budget and armed services committee. let's talk about the big tech ceos making their way to washington to meet with the president. elite comes to trump's washington. the discussion was h-1b visas. what are they and why is this important to our economy in your
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opinion? was --the immigration the immigration topic was a huge topic. visas allows people to come over who have special skills. some employers have brought individuals at lower wages, and i have a bill to help reform that to make sure every person would earn a median wage. but there are a lot of people who have contributed like elon musk or the ceo of microsoft. so we have brought in the best and the brightest. we need to continue the program, but make sure people are earning the median wage. guest: how does the program work and why do we need to continue it? guest: if you have specialized studiedr if you have and one of our universities
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where we subsidize, and we need those individuals in the united if there is no one in the united states aixa and a particular job. as a result, we have had some of the best and brightest from around the world come to the united states, people like elon musk. it has helped our innovation and our economy. at the same time, it has been abused at times. it has been used by some corporations to replace american workers for cheaper labor, or you have had individuals come in being paid below-market wages. that needs to be fixed. host: what does the technology companies tell you about the need for more h-1b visas because the american workforce is not way -- workforce is not where they need it to be? guest: they do not want to
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eliminate the program or take a sledgehammer to it like some have proposed. continue toneed to be the place that attracts people from around the world. a key component of that, but we are open to some reforms to you are paying the median wage. a lot of these tech companies are paying $130,000 on average for h-1b beezus. -- h-1b visas. there are some abusing the process. that is what we need to fix. we want immigrants, but we want immigrants to be paid well and be treated well, and at the same time, we have to invest in those in our country so we can continue to have the best talent here. amazon's ceo what jeff bezos told to the president talking about ways to retrain american workers.
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take a look. [video clip] >> when we met in december, i encouraged the ministry shen to be a developing -- when we met in december, i'm cursed this administration -- i encouraged the administration. on --ing you can't focus one thing you could focus on is using commercial technologies whenever possible. it would save taxpayers a lot of money. the second one would be to continue to work hard and figure out ways to retrain an upscale workers all of the the u.s. athave a program at amazon --we have a program at amazon called career choice. and the third thing to keep your eye on is the united states needs to at every level be working on artificial
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intelligence. thatd be used in every -- can be used in every part of government. host: response to that aspect. guest: it is insightful. intelligence and machine learning our future jobs that we are going to need to have. we need to train people to know how to understand how to use robotics and machines, and understand basic, graphic design. appalachia, there was a very successful program training coal miners and kids on basic software for apple and android software. but these things need funding. but the reality is the president's budget has zeroed out these training programs and cut the budget for the appalachian regional commission. and cutting budgets on workforce
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development. my hope is that they may reconsider that. host: the president has been talking about apprenticeships, and wanting to focus his attention on those. this is from the associated press on the president's executive order. the 2017 budget provides 95 million for these apprenticeships and only 5 million more than the obama administration. it would be set by the labor department and eases the regulatory burden for administering apprenticeship programs. guest: it is a great goal. i think we need to have more apprentice programs, but we have to find it. you can not have the same baselevel funding and say who will have 10 times more
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apprenticeship programs. plus, these programs must be in advanced manufacturing, but also in the new digital areas. one place at that can happen is an initiative that was in the obama administration have brought together people to train for tech jobs in the future. my hope is that the president will put the resources behind the rhetoric. host: we are talking to congressman ro khanna about works training, and how to upscale american workers. we want to know your thoughts. republicans 202-748-8001. democrats 202-748-8000. republicans 202-748-8002. >> there are 6 million job
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openings in the united states. this is the highest number of job vacancies on record. americans want to hire. american companies want to hire americans come and americans want to work. that there is a skill gap between skills available and the skills that workers currently have. apprenticeship teaches the skills needed to find good jobs and to succeed in those jobs. apprenticeships combine a paid work component with an educational component. apprentices earn while they learn, avoiding the burden of student debt. throughout his career, president trump witnessed firsthand the success of apprenticeship programs in the building trades. throughout his campaign, president trump committed firmly to expand job opportunities here in america. the president knows that
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apprenticeships offer participants good jobs and freedom from excessive loan debt. and the president knows that apprentice ship programs work. reducee the best ways to the skills gap. congressman? guest: apprenticeship programs to work and he gets back to the funding issue. why are we not been funding more than the same baseline budget a past years? the other point is what are we going to do on wages? there are two issues. we need more people working, but people have been working for the past 30 years with stagnant wages. 50% of americans have not had a raise. that is why i am working with senator sharon brown to on tax credit so we could get a 20% raise to people making under $75,000. the question is, how do we create good jobs and have higher
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wages, but have the policies to do that? guest: where do these programs take place? where in the country are they needed? guest: the apprentice ship programs are needed in different communities. i just toward a manufacturing site for manufacturers said they want to hire folks, but they need to train. it is not that machines are taking the jobs, but there is a different set of skills required. it would be great to have an apprenticeship program. it would be great to have one in youngstown, west virginia. they could be taking place everywhere, but they need the funding. just a set a goal and not to come to congress and ask for funding, if anything to be zeroing out some of these agencies, that does not make a lot of sense. host: but not everyone is a computer genius. can you do these programs beyond tech? guest: absolutely and you can have programs and manufacturing. you can have apprenticeship
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programs that are home care, elder care, child care. we can have a print ship programs and almost -- we can have a apprenticeship programs in any dimension. tech jobs are not the only jobs. you one have a diverse economy. guest: let's go to george in maryland. hi, george. about: he is talking works training programs and how the workforce is. george, you have to listen through the phone and not. go ahead. caller: yes. go ahead, sir, please. caller: the economy, the way , you just answered that.
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everyone,minder to turn your tv down alyssa through your phone. anna, republican. good morning. caller: good morning. the apprenticeship program is important. the congressman has misled you on the fact that it is being promoted. in california, in the construction industries, it is being depressed. the unions have taken over the apprenticeship programs. if you are an electrical contractor and you want to hire and train them, you are told that they cannot touch anything with a screwdriver for so many years. well, if you are a struggling contractor with a few employees, you cannot hire or train anyone like that. by the way, there is no cost to the state because all of the wages will be picked up by the contractor.
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i am speaking from personal experience. my family is in construction, and we have realized how hard it is to find workers because the unions have camped down disability. a lot of the co-contractors get around that by hiring illegals that they underpay. it is a big problem. host: congressman? guest: i appreciate your perspective. many of the leaders i talked to would love to have more apprenticeships. they would love to have more support for those apprenticeship programs. this could be a bipartisan issue if the funding is there. but i do not think that labor unions would resist the idea of having apprenticeships or pay training. host: a democrat and florida. caller: i am very frustrated.
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my children went to college in a four-year degrees. two of those four are currently not working in the fields that they studied. i am frustrated with college ofnselors and the whole idea pushing degrees down these kid'' throat where there are no jobs. more ofthey should have a -- i think they should take more of a responsibility in guiding these kids were their strengths are. like i said, we live in a different society now because of automation and other factors. a lot of those decrees are almost nonexistent. host: what your thoughts on that? guest: i appreciate that. i read a study that said 50% of millennials did not think college was as worthwhile as they had anticipated because they have had a challenge getting jobs.
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the study shows that college education still leave to jobs and improves odds, but we need to make sure there is a practical component, whether someone is getting vocational education, college, that they are getting the skills making them employable. that means these colleges, vocational skills need to partner with industries in a local areas to see what are the relevant skills that are needed, and encourage the students to do internships or apprenticeships. i agree with the caller that we really need to rethink higher education. host: we will go to mike in ohio. hi, mike. caller: good morning, greta, and good morning to the congressman. host: morning. caller: it seems amazing to me that the president would appear , and antiunion state --an antiunion state.
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the government does not have to really do anything with apprenticeship programs. they are already in place. they are called union tradesmen. we have the training facilities. we had the people to teach the people that are interested in becoming plumbers, electricians, operating engineers. i am and retired operating engineer. the audi have these facilities. and it is amazing -- we are ready have these facilities, and it is amazing that the government itself anti-worker and antiunion, and why do we not take a page from the country of germany? germany, their government, instead of fighting against tradesmen, like in this country, they have a working relationship , not only with their corporations, but there do government -- but their government.
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and they take people who do not want to go to college or don't have the mental capacity for higher education, but they are good with their hands. we do have a shortage of tradesmen, but we have a numberent now over an x of years that fight against the very people that have the training facilities to teach the tradesmen. host: mike, we hear your point. guest: you make a great point. tradesmen and unions have had these apprenticeship programs. you cite germany and switzerland, they have a tremendous amount of respect for the trades. they have two thirds in switzerland of the country that have apprenticeship training, and go on to become ceos. what we need to do is look at successful models, like the trades and expand them, and
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expand them into digital areas, and of companies expand them into places that may not have traditionally happened, and other resources behind it. host: we both go to liz in manchester, new jersey. your next. caller: good morning. -- i known is this you are talking about people going back to work in training programs, but there are people who worked very hard on their jobs and became disabled during their working period. they had been neglected, ignored, discriminated, looked at as lower-class. the cost of living adjustment has not been given to us in years. i am living on $20,000 a year. our president wants to raise my insurance premium. costeniors, they have no of living adjustment. what happens to them? someone has to look out for those people. host: ok. guest: i appreciate it.
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a ghost our basic values as a society -- it goes to our basic values as a society. you cannot eat the orange and throughout the peel. when people were carting give profession, ifa they become disabled, we have a responsibility as a society to take care of them. when they are seniors and have spent years and years working in this country, they ought to have a dignified retirement. this is just a philosophical difference. that peoplelieve should have a dignified retirement, and ought to have the dignity being disabled. that is society's responsibility to support. host: congressman ro khanna here with us for a few more minutes. he represents a look on valley in california.
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i want to ask about politics. page,w york times front it says that because of the loss of the sixth district, it is prompting some democrats to question the leadership of nancy pelosi. a small group of democrats that have been critical against pelosi suggested she stepped down. they suggest that the party should have a more open conversation about her affect on their political fortunes. karen handel, the republican, largely ran against nancy pelosi and won in georgia's sixth district. do you think now is the time for a change in leadership? guest: i do not, and i think it would be highly unfair to blame leader pelosi for a local election. let me make two points. a lot of these elections are
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very local. what matters is how many meet and greets the you do a coffee shops? how much of a connection do you have with the community? what is your contribution. ? what is the vision you are running on? local candidates. the second thing is that democrats haven't over performing in many of these elections across the country. finally, you have to look at speaker pelosi's entire achievement. speakersis, one of the with the affordable care act. she stood up against the privatization of social security, and the first woman speaker of the house. she did extraordinary in the budget negotiation with the republicans. and managed to get the epa almost fully funded. she is a for narrowly effective -- he is extraordinarily effective. it is highly unfair to single
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out the later. host: she is at the head of that plan from, and congressman ryan -- >> i like him. host: he said on morning joe, it would be hard for democrats to win the house with pelosi at the helm. guest: i respectfully disagree with him. i think we can have a bold, economic vision. let's move federal jobs from d.c. into the heartland. as figure out how to give a wage increase to ordinary americans. let's figure out how to have investment in new industries and a new training programs. i think democrats can have that type of platform and we should focus on that instead of turning on people in our own pockets. host: we will go to thomas in texas. caller: good morning. i have a comment and a question. mine, his son is
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serving over in iraq. when you build a high-speed rail, how many permanent jobs will create? thank you. guest: i think the high-speed rail would create a lot of jobs and a lot of union jobs. it would create a lot of middle-class jobs. what we need in this country is a massive infrastructure bill, something that will spend money on roads, bridges, airports, making broadband universal, so every person has access to the high-speed internet. host: larry in newcastle come indiana -- live in newcastle, indiana. you are next. caller: thank you, greta. the congressman you hacker space a lot about apprenticeship programs. my question is, you can train everybody in the world you want,
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but if there is no jobs, the apprenticeship programs the -- programs mean very little. i am a skilled person and i cannot get a job, even i am trained. there has got to be jobs before apprenticeship training. thank you. guest: i cannot agree with you more. this is why we need a big infrastructure bill that is want to create jobs in construction, manufacturing. we have the ability to do it if covers were to pass a $2 trillion infrastructure bill. this is why we need to give the tax relief to middle-class and working class families. the bill that senator brown and i will be introducing would give most of the tax relief to people making under $75,000. you would get a raise of about 20%. those are the individuals who would spend that money, create jobs, and boost the economy as opposed to the president's plan
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which would give basically a lot of attacks cuts to the -- this could give a lot of the tax cuts to -- host: when he was campaigning, the president said that was on his agenda. what have you heard from this administration? are they reaching out to democrats? guest: they have not so far. if i was advising the president, of course, he would not listen to my advice, but i would say, let's lead with infrastructure. the whole country was clam rain for what the -- the whole country was hammering for what the caller said. they have not had jobs and they need jobs and they need the government to step up and have a plan for creating those jobs. we could invest in infrastructure, move some of the federal jobs out of d.c. into the heartland. we could fund programs that are going to create new industries in these areas.
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but there has not been those efforts in congress over this administration. host: michael, question for the congressman. go ahead. caller: the unions have had apprenticeship programs forever. our unions are over 100 years old, pipefitters. we train apprentices. what people need to understand about union apprenticeship programs, number one, there is no cost for the training. we pick up the training, the members. our contractors understand the value of trained people in the value that we can give to people . what they got to understand is there's no debt for their children. they get health care with collective-bargaining and he pension was collective-bargaining. there is no liability to the people in the communities because they can take your of
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themselves -- they can take care of themselves. a cap insurance -- they have insurance. the business roundtable in the 1960's convinced the workers of this country that they no longer needed unions because we are want to take care of you. big business is going to take care of you. welcome on big business has not taking care of you. host: let's getting harry in new jersey. go ahead, harry. caller: yeah, this congressman is exactly why i changed to be an independent. he says the is b-1 visas, yeah, there has been some abuse, there has been a lot of abuse. people are being hired because it are coming from other countries at lower wages. let's just be real about that. there has been a lot of abuses. you can probably count on one hand the number of americans that are on these jobs. then he speaks about leader pelosi and how we don't need to
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change her. it has been long overdue for her to go. the democrats have been losing in record numbers. the worst republican party i have experienced in my life is winning, and they are winning all over america. and it is one of the reasons -- this typical, corporate democrat sitting there that does nothing. host: let's give the covers my chance to respond. guest: the, if you look at the bill that i proposed, it is one of the strongest hills on h-1b visa reforms and i addressed the caller's legitimate concern that there are companies that are underpaying h-1b holders and they are not making the median wage, and often they are being used to replace american workers. and that is wrong and should not take place. i would ask the caller to look at the durban grassley bill.
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he would see a lot of those things are being fixed. host: working they find it? guest: they can find it online at the google it. khanna look at it at ro visa reform on my facebook page. we want to reform the abuses in the program. but that does not mean we should not be for immigration. immigration has made us strong as a country. in terms of the progressive vision, i have been a very, very strong supporter having better wages with a focus on the working class. 50% of americans have not had a wage raise in this country for the last 30 years. i am saying that our tax policy shouldn't be helping wall street and the millionaires. it should be helping working families.
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we are trying to do exactly what the caller is saying, move away from these policies. that is what the union said for a long time. unfortunately, unions have been declining and we need to strengthen unions in this country, but we need policies helping working families. host: you can find out more about the congressman if you go to his website. thank you for the conversation. guest: thank you. it host: when we come back, republican congressman thomas here. of kentucky will be we will be talking about the shooting at the congressional baseball practice. and then we will be talking about the debt crisis. we will be right back. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy.
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