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act and the efforts on the republican side to repeal and replace? guest: i don't think there is any clarity. on where there is an agreement. i think democrats went through our exercise in trying to deal with health care by covering more people and helping people pay for it by intervening between the insurance company and the patient saying to have to cover certain things, giving them lifetime caps, pre-existing conditions could no longer be a reason for denying coverage. you look at what the republicans are doing, they are throwing people off of health care. cbo estimates say 22 plus million americans will lose health care. they got rid of the individual mandate which means premiums will go up. other protections for seniors. where is the common ground where we could come together? quite frankly, i don't see any. host: what then is next because

mitch mcconnell alluded to something akin to regular order, going back to committee and getting ranking members involved. guest: that's a novel idea. host: do you see collaboration at this point? guest: i hope so. trying to do this on their own has not played that -- played out. that.we can agree on we have lines for democrats, republicans and independents for a guest. you will be with us for about 25 or 27 more minutes. there is a lot of talk out there with the health care debate that the gop might be damaged heading into 2018. you've use the word damage regarding your own party. particularly your leader. there's one story from late june. tim ryan said the democratic

party will be heading into 2018 with a damage leader in nancy pelosi. you put up a challenge to her in the past. tell us what you mean. just my position is clear, i think the democrats have got to rebrand ourselves and i think the republicans are helping not how they can because they are continuing to stumble and trump has really become a chaotic president and unstable and somebody different ways. they canrats i believe put together a real strong economic message. i think the deaf president obama was a gifted person that he masked a lot of the problems underneath and us not connecting with workers in the way we need to and going into an election without connecting to those voters won't be successful.

we have an opportunity to win , but i think we need a strong economic message. security, pensions, putting people back to work. the mainith that of thrust of our message and it's been difficult. host: here is a poll that said you think the democratic party stands for something or stance against trump? the poll reported 37% of adults say the party stands for something but 52% said it stands against trump. you talked but economics, what else to folks want to hear about? guest: when you say it's appropriate for us to resist and fight their what the republicans with the appropriations bill their passing this weekend next week, a lot of cuts to a lot of things

that would help grow the economy. they are cutting those things. that we do need to resist. we need to communicate us people we have a jobs plan. test e a not train you for some job that may come sometime down the line, but a plan that is going to hire you. when we talk about expanding the medicaid program, that can't be outsourced. when you talk about rebuilding the energy grid and making it more secure and safer. allow people to save money on their energy bills. those are jobs that are actually in the ground that people can work on refurbishing the energy grid when you talk about

expanding broadband. in the ground, the jobs can't be outsourced. yours things and then expansion of health care for average people that means jobs for people. kim from ohio, democratic line for congressman ryan. caller: good morning. i believe the democrats are to be morether liberal than what we think we are. everyone wants health care, everyone wants to live sufficiently. everyone wants to be stable and thelieve that is the republicans to me is -- so much to people and people need to get educated. democrats have the greatest

message and they do, it's just got to be more like bernie sanders to say the things boldly. maybe as a democrat myself on a bold person. that's what the democrats need to do. i'm not paying attention to trump. i pay attention to the house of representatives and senators. because i'm a politic junkie and i love this and i know the democrats know how to write legislation. guest: i think you are right. our platform, what we stand for is progressive democrats, i -- kenexa could next with the majority of the country. sometimes we aren't as bold or aggressive in saying this is what we stand for and here is why. we tend to do that on social issues, which is altogether appropriate, but we tend to back wishy-washy on

economic issues. democrats are good for business. i run into more wealthy people who said they made more money under bill clinton than any other president. yeah, we know how to do this. the republicans have proven themselves unable to govern. you can be progressive and still be for growth, for opportunity, you can be progressive and be for a simplified tax code and making sure businesses has opera -- have opportunity. one fear i have is that we do come off as a party sometimes as hostile to business. it's one thing to be focused on the greedy wall street group, whatever percentage that may be that led to the subprime mortgage crisis that we had. agreed in all its forms we should take on and people should be punished for treating -- cheating the system. when you look at the system, the

small business person he or she pays the full corporate tax rate. if the big dog to find their way in so that they don't pay anything. we need to be advocating as democrats for those small and and businesses that actually have people in our community. host: steve on twitter says your message about moving toward center becoming more republican? guest: no. let me say this. we need to be for growth, for opportunity. in practical terms, how do we grow the economy. and in practical terms, that means an economy that works for everyone. , we need aestment simplified tax code. we need to lower business taxes in some sense. we can still be for a progressive tax code when it comes to income tax. we can still be for the social

issues we stand for inclusion and justice. but we also have to be for those things that will economically secure families like pensions. we literally went through a whole presidential campaign where we talked about pensions. not left and right, it is about growth. it's about how we create an economy that will allow people to grow their businesses and higher --hire people. host: mary calling from pennsylvania. caller: that last guy that was on, he really ticked me off what he said about a single-payer that he doesn't agree with that because it's big government. problem with republicans. they don't listen to the people. most americans want single-payer health care. it can be done. abouthe republicans say

small government, they don't want a small government. they want a government they want and it's not small. the best thing the democrats can do, the best message it can get out there and preach and get single-payer for the people because that's why people are marching in the streets because they want single-payer. thank you. guest: i support a medicare for all proposal. i think that is the wisest thing for us to do. i think that is actually good for jobs. if every american has health care, jobs don't need to be outsourced in the health care field. and the jobs associated with it. plus you will save money in the long run because everyone will have coverage, people won't go to the emergency room. we will have a healthier country. it's an efficient system. it's something that people like. even if we need to take it to stick -- a few steps and say how down andng medicare

allow people to buy into the program. how do we allow small businesses that have 10 or 20 employees to start buying into the program, that would alleviate a time of pain. with a gold standard program that most people in it like. they think it serves their purpose. why not have businesses start to buy in and get skin in the game so it's not a handout. it's an official system. we can take a couple steps here as we are debating health care reform, i think to really solve some of these problems. host: let's hear from brian in north carolina. sayer: i would just like to we are in a situation where the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer. is republican party itself

only making things worse. -- makee trying to everyone equal than let's call a duck a duck. guest: you bring up a good point. i think inequality really is the issue underneath everything driving the anxiety in the country. we have had 30 years of people in places like ohio they haven't seen a raise but they've seen their energy bills go up, their education costs go up and a lot of other expenses go up. the wages have been stagnant. their pensions are more insecure than they have ever been. the concentration of wealth has gone primarily to the top five or 10% of the people in the country. that is a moral issue in a lot of ways but it's also bad economics. cut thatd for this tax the republicans are proposing because from all accounts it is going to go primarily to the top

1%, 5% of the people in the country and in a situation where they have accumulated both of -- most of the income gains in the last 30 years. that is not really fair. i was here in congress when president bush tried this in 2001 and 2003 when he passed a couple rounds of tax cuts. they went primarily to the top 1%, they deregulated the financial market and those two things we were told at the time would lead to amazing growth. i can only imagine president trump selling the same idea. it's going to be huge, going to be beautiful. that, if you look at the history, that was a decade of stagnant growth. there wasn't income growth, there wasn't a lot of job growth. supply-side economic theory is that cut taxes for the rich and fieldsey sprinkle the in for some of the workers that are

down there. we can be for a simple fight tax code and for a simpler tax code for businesses, especially small and midsize businesses. give those in opportunity to buy into the medical pro -- medicare program. that would incentivize entrepreneurs to innovation and small businesses and grow the economy. that is in essence how you do that. host: back to your calls in a moment. the president but a tweet regarding health care. he is having lunch at the white house with republican senators. he said they must in big block letters, keep their promise to america. before we get back your calls, we have been speaking about the perception and image of the party. thomas on twitter said the democratic party has gone to the party of the coastal elites. what do you make of that perception and how important is it that that change and how can

it change? guest: it's a true perception and since november i've been trying to get the word out that this is real. this is something that is real. cans unfair because you live on the coast and still be a working-class person and still embody the values of what the party should stand poor -- stand for on economic grounds. the perception is because you are so concerned with the coasts and so concerned with raising money and wall street, you have forgotten the middle class. all the while, wages have been stagnant for 30 years. this perception is real. if democrats don't recognize that every initiative we have needs to be about us reconnecting with the working-class people. that starts by going to where they live. i'm spending some time going to communities around the country where we haven't gone.

i went to south carolina for the special election down there. i was one of the only members of congress to go down there. i'm going to kentucky and indiana, alabama, west virginia. we need to show up and say we care about you. we understand what you are going through. let me explain to you how our plan is different. whether it's we want to help you afford health care, here is how we will do it. republicans are trying to throw you off. that is just one issue. you've got to go there, look people in the eye. you've got to talk to them and listen and tell them you're here to help. host: let's hear from anaheim, california. caller: good morning. facts andin truth, results. mostly results. most of the time i do vote democrat, but not because i was

mostly voting -- i was voting democrat, but mostly antirepublican. the democratic party pulled me back. they have to go -- they have to push for the single-payer medicare for all. our employment -- everybody is covered. most important, no co-pay or deductible. the medical -- should be publicly funded and privately provided. those that provide the best care make the money. those who don't provide good care don't make money. while you're pausing there, i think the great part of that argument is the stability. everybody pays, everybody gets

covered. americanat's an value-based system. everybody has got some skin in the game. we will make sure that the least among us are taken care of. but if you're a business person, you know every single year exactly what you are going to have to pay. there may be changes over time, you will have to change. let's focus on the fact that this is an insurance program. when you have insurance program, you need everyone in the pool, you will run it in the most efficient way. host: president trump what i'd another tweet. the republicans never discuss -- how goodhow their health care bill is. the democrats scream death as obamacare dies. guest: that's funny.

i don't know. i run out of ways to describe how i feel about how the president handles these things. it is just immature. its like ok we will have lunch and fix it. they are afraid to talk about it because it stinks because it throws people off their health care and it jacks up premiums. said forprovision that seniors you can only charge them three times what you can charge the healthiest person in your plan. republicans and their plan got rid of that. instead you can charge them five times what you charge the youngest person in your plan. that is an increase in cost for seniors. why in god's name would some republicans go out and talk about that? host: let's hear from diane in kansas, republican.

caller: good morning congressman. i am a registered independent, but i vote republican. i didn't know what to call myself. i have a couple of questions. one thing with regard to medicare for all, which i hear a lot about. bernie sanders tried this in his own state of vermont and it failed because it was too expensive. california just had a proposal out there for medicare for all. it was too expensive. report medicare actuary shows that medicare as it is now is going to go broke in 2027 i believe. people -- how can the democrats justified medicare for all or single-payer when the fact our the money isn't even going to be there for those were currently on it? , the reason that

, howa middle-class person is he the democratic party is tax and spend. here is an example. approved, itwas was expanded to cover people that are able-bodied, people without children to eliminate their work requirement. those of us who are working present that. i would like your comments for those two things. first thatme say every able-bodied american should be of working age should be working. no question about it. everyone has got to contribute. we need people in the economy contributing and there should be no free riders unless you have some kind of sickness or disability or children.

every able-bodied american needs to be out working and that's why earlier in this program i suggested we do a national jobs program where we get everybody back to work and we raise wages so that there are incentives to go to work because you are getting paid a good wage and i think one of the issues on the sidebar that the democrats get too fixated on is the minimum wage. are for increasing the minimum wage, but that's not the aspiration for people. the aspiration is for people getting jobs that pay $25 or $30 an hour. as an aside, we need to be more aspirational in water economic outlook is as far as the program, thisll is an insurance program and if you get more people paying in to the program you are going to

extend the life of the program and i think it's appropriate for us to mention that with pulling more people into the program and bringing the efficiencies to the medicare program, we actually through the affordable care act extended the life of the medicare program by five or then years because of reforms we made and making sure people got preventative coverage. under 65 struggle to get health care in the struggle to get plans that actually pay for the kind of things they need. what a lot of people do is they say have got to get a payout. i'm 62. if you expand and cover, who knows what competition's come with waiting and that's just one example. that drives the cost up. if your preventative care for everyone earlier than that, it will begin to drive down the

cost of care for seniors. by expanding coverage, prevention and the cost you will have more people paying into the system which would help sustain the system in the long run. host: let's get back to leadership in the politics. who was the leader of your party right now? guest: i don't know if we have want to be honest. i think it's reflected in the polls there. clearly senator schumer and theer pelosi are leaders of legislative branches of government elements. but, i guess it is unknown. the parties go through this periodically, this is not unusual. but the longest time the republicans didn't really have a leader. right now, i don't think the average person would really identify anybody clearly. they use leader pelosi a lot in

the ads they run. but we are a democratic group. where different factions. i would say right now there are not any major leader of the party. host: would you like to run for leader next term? guest: not really. i don't have interest in that. i ran, i felt like someone had to run, i didn't necessarily want to myself. but i felt like we needed a change obviously. i have no real desire to run again and run for leadership. i am going to use my voice now that i have a little bit of a bigger microphone after november to try and shake the national party and trying get it back on an economic message that i think is really critical because it is not about just politics, it's not about how we win elections. you win elections because you can implement your ideas and in my him -- estimation to help

people in akron and youngstown. you will be headed up to new hampshire next month for something called the new hampshire young democrats cookout on the 16th in hampton. what should we be reading into a visit to new hampshire? guest: i went to school there. i've been up there a bunch over the net -- course of my career. and i got invited. and at the point now where i got a young family. the young democrats called up and wanted me to calm up. statesne of those swing that they barely one. new hampshire is one of those states where we have got to be there. we have two members of congress there, a good state that i think we should be able to hold those states -- seats.

it's a working-class state. host: our guest has been tim ryan, democrat from ohio. 13th distr be sure to watch c-span's washington journal live at 7:00 a.m. eastern this morning. join the discussion. >> sunday night on afterwards. cheryl atkinson reports now fear tactics are used to influence public opinion. how shady political operatives and fake news control what you see, think and how you vote.

she is interviewed by critic -- by a washington post media critic. >> you don't stick up for john mccain. donald trump, why are you smearing john mccain? >> number two, i am not here to cheer on john mccain or donald trump. -- itk the behavior doesn't mean i support him or i guess or treating him -- or cheering them on. you must be supporting him or you must not like extra why. it has nothing to do with looking at what i see is fear or accurate media coverage. i have spoken out about that.

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