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situation in the middle east in the policies of the bush, obama and the trump administration's. we will hear from former obama administration officials and former navy intelligence nats. this is from pasadena california. hello everybody, i'm terry mccarthy. of the 72 events we do every year a substantial portion is about the malaise -- middle east. tonight islook at how we got here and where we can go forward. this is as we are seeing is a problem that cannot be contained
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in the middle east, it is spreading to europe and even our own shores. , will start with david horwitz the intellectual godfather of the trunk administration -- trump administration. you have some strong views about how do we here, and get out of where we are. it's all yours. >> outtake the first question. looking at what we are talking about, eight years in the obama administration 500,000 people were slaughtered, by isis and other jihadists in the name of islam of god. children and women have become terrorists.
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[in audible] russia,e replaced by what he calls his places which is really strategic --. -- obama stop a solid --.ugh a redline
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one of the worst things that the generals -- , and obama 20,000 because he blamed the u.s. about the problem.
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his strategy was to a embrace -- andns right away concluded this a trail of the arena answers by a deal -- by conducting a deal. people on thise panel -- i want to remind you trump has been in office
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six months. i am going to put together a a rockon of arab states, is on the verge of collapse. 500,000 people didn't really have to die. this is what happens when the u.s. abdicates its responsibility. it is the only great power in
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the world with the will to peace. human dignity and in answer to your second passes to reassert ranctually in line with the to people on this panel who are --[lers of this policy applause and cheering] 500,000 people slaughtered because of these policies.
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i am happy on the growth of extremism. i believe that there.
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explainingbody's that to him but that is a concern to us. that heook at the fact forannounce a big package military aid. it is in the works with one important caveat. packages that military to insert itself in the civil war in yemen and help the saudis t's
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malcolm you are a counterterrorism expert, work inoks like the syria is toning down a bit. mostly fallen, brca is about to fall. this is not over. one can argue about whether or not we should have invaded iraq. whetheralso think about we should have left a 2011 -- what should be our plan from now on? mosul, them back out of
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where should we go going forward? fascinating from different perspectives. i have a very different perspective amongst the players in the field. i am an intelligence war fighter. i am a practitioner of the dark we put the bag guys where the back guys need to go. said i have 35 years in the middle east. i just returned from seven years -- i speak many dialects of arabic. groundbeen involved with
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combat action since beirut in 1983. i have a few sittings to say about that. if all the accusations that fly back-and-forth these things don't happen in a vacuum. this did not happen because barack obama was elected president. this was the fifth generation of al qaeda. it was done in order to stoke the passion of americans to situation, bazaar, covert and the hard extremists -- the listeners who believe -- i know i lived in , i shot the gun in
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the air when it was time for the guys to get married. these are important things there. in perspective of the intelligence continue above everything that has happened since 9/11, which are a was a victim and rescue are, i know what these people are doing. i have been working with them since 1988 nonstop. now my job is to explain it to you. isis, a manifestation of the invasion of iraq in 2003 and nothing more come in manifested itself because the government of iraq -- we couldn't stay there
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when they force us out. they came about through their own sectarian passions. .bama didn't do it the problem is being solved. solution where we bomb the hell out of them. andything we see in mosul the denigration and dissolving was as as a caliphate -- when isisrs manifested itself in 2014 we have carried out 30 plus thousand airstrike which allow the last six months of it allowing the iraqi army to go in and they are the ones who are bleeding on the ground who defeated isis in their own country. they are the ones who are taking
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it back. are and the syrian kurds the ones who are going to be fighting. we can pat ourselves on the back . no, the u.s. air force and the iraqi army are doing it. they are bringing about the end of isis. in another year that organization will cease to exist inside of iraq and syria. no one will come out live except their wives and their children which is the next generation of troubled for us. kidshave kids and these are living in refugee camp's. we just carried out an action where we cut the funding to the syrian army, the last vestige of what came from the revolution in
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syria and just turned syria over to the government of aside and russia. funding.e they too will start thinking about the u.s. in the future. what is the solution to all of this before besides we have to keep up the connecticut warfare and we can need to cool operate with the coalition. donald trump is using more of my policies. at the end we need a joint arab coalition to defeat isis spirit that's just me bragging. in the last six months all
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of those have been implemented. i know pete a are paying attention to the maps. the one thing that has been missing for decades -- i have written three books about it, of thefter the ideology isis.ida -- believe thateople they are the executor of god's will to bring about the end of time. the greatest ally are those people in this country and in say it is asay who 1.6 millions that are the problem. they are not. billion -- the $1.6 muslims want to a toyota corolla. what they don't need is to have
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a small faction of a fraction of --cult. of a call and have them equated to people who not read the current rom and pretend like a are muslim. the guy who is sitting to my muslim. a we have been fighting not just our own defense. protecting islam from this colts -- cult. why have i been fighting for these guys to my right and left? are muslims.
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the kuwaitis are muslims. everyone who is in this grand alliance we're supposed to have are muslims. what this administration is growing up. making them our enemies and are facilitating the next generation of terrorism. >> ok. [applause] your expertise is in the trauma of torture in particular. do you spend a lot of time around the borders of syria dealing with the human cost behind a surrender this wars that we see. when the syrian war may be now slowing down, when these conference are over these people don't suddenly gets it.
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-- get fixed. happening and how can we use the humanitarian part of this. i may point out there are millions of refugees who have not been welcomed by the other middle eastern countries. it is been mostly on the west and the turks. what do we do with these people who have been tortured for years and years? we have on our hands a global health crisis with trans general implications. it is no stranger about the
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stories of ptsd, war traumatized veterans returning. suffering and torture, many of these refugees have experienced. they are a very resilient population. in speaking to what you said earlier, how are they supposed to thrive and resettlement's, how are we supposed to use the resources and meet the complex needs a happen if we cannot change our narrative to there is so much that is being done that will continue to be undone by that narrative being reinforced. that is most likely the most toxic accept -- aspect. imagine, closure eyes and think if you had to leave your home,
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first sure houses being bound, your children you pick up their ,odies and you are running trying to corral the rest of your family. case in point, we need to change that narrative are there is nothing that we can do in a rehabilitative sense that can trump that component. the trauma is being weaponize. the alienation is weaponize. they pray upon traumatized communities. it is that narrative that reinforces the thing we do not want. it strengthens it. if i could just plant that seed. talking about the women and how don that survive,,
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you deal with that? issue and i huge would love to be able to answer that concisely. at it from an overarching perspective. years inwaiting for many respects to try to get resettled. and then being and communities that they are not welcome. of timee a short amount to meet the standards that are required of them, paying back their ticket, having to meet certain criteria, and for them to try is to be welcomed and integrated into the community to use that they are resettled in. that's one thing that i think we can do, the counter narrative .iece
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several policies to the therapeutic and medical treatments, it's a system. it takes a village to raise child. and affording that opportunity. that has eroded by this narrative. that's a huge impediment to my work from protest to funding being quit, not wanting them in our communities, the bullying of the children where a child has been rather quiet -- radicalized , and immense amount of bullying is in the profile. the human side is just that. i can give you a complex drawn appeal tont or i can your humanity and compassion. represent the humanitarian peace. that is the biggest impediment to our work.
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that's where we need to begin. none of it can thrive without that component. so hard to keep exhuming component in mind, 400,000 dead and thousands of refugees. and you are in the national security counsel under president obama. they took a huge bet on iraq. do itstop the sanctions nuclear deal and somehow iraq will normalize and become a respectable and trusted citizen of the world. we are two years into that deal. how do you get is paying off? >> thank you for having me. i approach the conversations with a lot of humility.
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made thatink obama bet. useade a bet that we could an unrelenting series of sanctions and diplomatic iraqure to a pressure in thatok us -- the community weeksas was months or away where they could achieve a nuclear weapon. we disclose the fact that they had a covert facility that they were using to your enriched uranium. obama saw this as a threat to israel and to many of our allies in the region. place where the
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sanctions and the diplomatic effort didn't work then we could take military action. we were able to cut the deal the iaea comes, in and inspecting so we can learn about their program and get access to these facilities and it is working. and the way we know it is working is the trial administration has to recertify that every 90 days in congress. apparently he was ticked off that he had to recertify it in general met has to and -- but --.ral mcmaster and others had noh korea we have access no diplomatic overtures or no progress in any way, we
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know they are working on a miniature warhead, and they just launched an icbm two days ago that can fly far enough to get los angeles or even washington, d.c.. is an inordinately dangerous scenario for us. nevermind the fate that we have 20,000 troops sitting in korea. i think the bit we made to try to resolve our problems diplomatic and has paid dividends in iran. i think they're hopeful that the long-term -- that can lead to on thenal normalization relationship. let's be clear, the iranians are separatists in saudi arabia, they funded extremist groups like hezbollah.
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they are stabilizing actor in a lot of ways in the middle east. they are not exactly good guys. what we are lacking in the u.s. is patience and one is the ability to view world events the right prism other than the prism of washington. i think it's dangerous when we talk about the arab spring or the rise of isis or al qaeda. it is manifested as -- through what happens in washington. in countries are making their own decisions. self-determination is important. thank you. >> everybody on this panel .onight is accomplished
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a most special member for is --. i will tell you only is he called the jon stewart of each of which is an achievement, not only is he a , but he waseon almost late to the panel today because he was coming from the hospital where his wife just gave birth to his son. >> muslims are always late or when their making tom bombs than their very punctual. ,'m not going to his big about
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wasn't bush, was that obama was --art you said ande off incredible point about the ideology. in 1988 it came from somewhere and your biggest ally in the middle east and when king abdulla died last year every just prior to his funeral -- we heard donald trump , two days later
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they signed a deal for jet fighters. but the helices doing. we speak here about syria but we ignore yemen. 2017. -- epidemicndemic in yemen. when you talk about muslims, you are the biggest ally with them because they give you oil. i find that critical. i want to expand the problem a little bit. it's not about religion. to restore freedom
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of expression. administrations think it is a better option to have -- because they are secular. they are not. .hese are dictatorships in sudan, when it was not going in 1980 whenre -- you want to do have unlimited elections, they announced shary. --sharia. you know who are the people putting them in jail? not the ayatollah, it is the police and the military police
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wrote -- military jury -- military regime. it is not about what kind of -- ideology, it's a freedom of expression. time and time again because each president comes here for four years, nobody wants to get their hands what. the thing is nobody wants to get his hands dirty. it's just going on and on. a free middle east --. >> that's it. >>[applause] >> david i'm going to ask you to talk about iran.
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i know you have different views. give us a sense of where you think the iran deal is going. obama whoas --.elytize on the backs of al qaeda was defeated in iraq. knowledgeableery he says you are dealing with an apocalyptic cult.
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surveys in the arab somewhere between 20% and 40% supported osama bin laden against the west.
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when i read the numbers, how many people were killed in the iraq war? like half a million? i don't know. maybe a million because of detentions. a lot of people were killed because of the american intervention in iraq. on the nemesis of the muslim brotherhood in egypt.
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but i can tell you this lie was created in our own media, picked up by alex jones, and then returned to media. [applause] although that about obama becoming -- being the cofounder of isis extended and we are happy to announce that we started the cradle of civilization. no, we started the cradle of the end of civilization. [laughter] because people are chanting death to america, you know, you know who else chance of that? that?nts pakistan. i really want to come here and say, all right, guys, do you want to just go and intervene? i am living in this country now
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and i don't want to look for another billion dollars of military spinach or -- military expenditure. screw the people back there. i don't care. but how much longer do you want to go in? do you want to invade iran? i don't understand. it didn't work before. it didn't work in vietnam. it didn't work in afghanistan. it didn't work in iraq. it doesn't work, invading other people's country. [applause] later, oh,ght years obama created a vacuum. that is ignoring the problem. i'm sorry. >> we will take questions from this microphone here.
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malcolm coming ago one minute. off, we have a saying in the military when we run into people who do not know what they are talking about. [indiscernible] civilians. [laughter] think before you talk, read before you think. from. where the idea came i survived suicide bombings. i read the statistics. iran is not the number one killer. it is the muslims we invaded who were in iraq. they fought us for 11 years.
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the government of iraq told us to leave. rhetoric, you cannot your way through history and back. [applause] we have a thing called [indiscernible] it's called intelligence. go frickin' read it. >> i would like to respond to the personal insults here. [laughter] >> in one minute. >> first of all, the problem here is the fact of this panel is ridiculous. he has a point. let him speak. >> you don't ridicule one person.
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look, the reason we didn't have iraq was0 troops in because obama didn't want them there. that's the reason. al qaeda was defeated in a wreck. >> -- in iraq. >> they were not. i was on the ground. we left that active. do not bring that up. it's wrong. i was there, too. >> hello, everybody. [laughter] i am a coptic orthodox christian from egypt. i'm sure you all heard about the recent bombings, almost monthly, in the churches in egypt and
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across the middle east. does the panel believe that the hatred of christianity and judaism in the middle east contributes to the mess in the middle east? against christians and judaism in the middle east. >> there is hate against other muslims, too. people who commit acts of violence against and -- against christians would not think twice before they commit an act of bounce against sick of people, against other muslims. and there is a lot of people -- against secular people, against other muslims. there is a lot of people. it is perfect because you don't have freedom of speech over there. there is a lot a hate against christians and shia.
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[indiscernible] one they came out two weeks ago and he said we need to take a break from cursing the christians and the jews in order to curse the shia. [laughter] to focus on al ah to hate to the shia. it was nurtured over years. hate about westborough baptist church. think about that. >> thank you. so, last month in june, said theykurdistan were going to referendum on independence. how thisour opinion on
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would add another independent nation or a whole other issue with a nation with significant populations living in three other countries opposing ideologies, especially with leaders in the west who support the iraqi kurds? >> they had the referendum in september? >> yes. spokesperson, we always said [indiscernible] that was probably pretty naive and did not acknowledgment was happening on the ground. this goes back to something that a lot of people have mentioned on this panel. we have a certain belief system in the united states, even people engaged in the national security community, about how government should be and how governing should be, that it should be centralized, because that is how it is in the united
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states. but in reality, that is not the way it is in many countries in the middle east. and now we don't have much time, we can go to post world war i on this particular issue. there is an inevitability in it. if you go back to what joe biden was suggesting, a three partitioned iraq. people thought he was nuts. as an average person, i think it could be for the best, and could be even smart for them to be their own. obviously, it has been building for quite some time. >> thank you. >>
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is not selling the problem is what my opinion is. a it realistic to see maybe home lockdown from all travel,
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private travel? is it realistic and if not what would be a better proposal to keep homeland safe basically? every person in this room, unless you are a native american or an f american -- on african-american, because we ohio. h
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these are things we need to understand. say that everything i have defended you for, or we can find out some way to take the word muslim out. that we were doing just fine until donald trump opened his mouth. >> right, thank you. [applause] >> since this is a middle east panel, i would like to ask a simple question. palestinian peace. [laughter]
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is the possibility of there being a solution and what would need to happen for it to be viable? >> anyone want to take that? >> i can start. well, easy question, obviously. i was working in the state department for john kerry once we won at the middle east process prior to jared kushner's ongoing effort now. i would say it is the goal of every american president and every secretary of state. in whatdiscovered experts in the region have already known, it is hard to find a two front solution with netanyahu as the prime minister. ise's the reason why -- he somebody who is concerned about his own politics.
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there are many in the united states like that as well. he has not shown himself as someone willing to put his political future on the line. but i do think that is a problem that all of us face. whether the united states will be the arbiter of the solution is a question as well. >> let him speak for himself. to find peace with people who want to kill you. there are terrorist regimes on the west bank who want to .estroy israel >> so, these people who are bombed our terrace --
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terrorists? all of them? >> -- problem with israel and palestine is a seven year, unprovoked aggression to the u.n. solution. >> so we go back to 1947 -- that was the first u.n. solution. [indiscernible] >> seven year aggression was real. [indiscernible]
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>> it is clear we are not going to solve the israeli-palestinian problem here. let's move on. thank you. reason why they do this at camp david and away from the hearing. >> thank you for coming. i'm vice president of the student program in san diego school of law. i want to ask about this narrative that there is just some microscopic minority of some coldest variation of israel which is very contrary to what i have studied and heard about -- heard from many people who are from the middle east.
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i go through all kinds of researchs, but pew published results showing that egypt and others in the region had over 80% would read with the death penalty for leaving islam. whyst do not understand islam is supporting these kind of policies which are contrary to our western, christian values . >> that is a great question. however, i would like you to imagine this exact research owing on in the 1950's and 1960's. the thing is -- i agreed with you, there is problems with interpretation of islam. the scripture has been there for 1400 years. if you look at the bible, it is
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similar. what happened is that the christian community has evolved beyond the scripture, and they have their own modern interpretation of that. is problem with our religion that scripture is more fundamental. if you are living in a more muslims doiety, believe in more interpretations. it is just like a matter of changing the environment. of -- i do agree with you right now, but [indiscernible] [applause] >> there are christians in egypt
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, and they are living under the eye and nose of a military dictatorship. [indiscernible] so yes, i agree with the numbers you have said. i would tell you to look at the environment of fundamental versus secular. [indiscernible] sorry, but we have run out of time. i hope that your son goes up in a more peaceful middle east. thank you all for joining us. [applause] >> thank you to everyone else on the panel. thank you all.
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[inaudible] >> president trump retweeted this today from fox and friends about his comments yesterday that north korea will respond to north korean threats with "fire and. fur.y." nancy pelosi had these responses today. leader pelosi goes on to say that his provocative rhetoric erodes our credibility and weakens our ability to reach a peaceful resolution to this crisis, and it must immediately and. -- immediately end. the state department is having a briefing today, and it is likely
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they will be asked about north korea. we will have live coverage of that today at 2:00 p.m. eastern time. have a hearing about combating terrorism with the american foreign policy council. you can what's that like today at 12:15 p.m. eastern time. tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern time, a panel will review the past supreme court term and take a look at what is ahead for the nation's highest court. we will talk about the future of roe v. wade if some of the justices retire. here is a look at what you will see tonight. >> i certainly have no doubt that if justice kennedy or justice ginsburg were to retire, then there will be five votes to overrule roe versus wade. at that point, it will no longer be a role. i do not believe chief justice


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