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literary scene and historic sites to our viewers. you can watch more of our visits at c-span.org/citiestour. announcer: next, more concerning the announced the part of presidential strategists steve bannon. then c-span's conversation with tom price. after that comes up in court justice elena kagan on the influence of the first woman justice sandra day o'connor. first, we talk with a white house correspondent about the news today on steve bannon. >> john bennett is a correspondent for roll call. the other shoe has dropped, steve bannon is out. if he fired or did he leave on his own terms? john: i think it is pretty clear that mr. bannon was asked to leave the white house, you know, this is definitely the new chief of staff, general john kelly,

this is his second big personnel move and it has his fingerprints all over it. it happened a little later than a lot of, even republican lawmakers wanted. they felt it needed to happen a little bit faster, earlier in the week after charlottesville and the far right, the white supremacist groups, that band and had at least -- bannon had at least some ties to and had pushed some of the same ideas of these groups, not all of the ideas of these groups, but there were similar strains in what he had written and said over the years, especially working at breitbart. so general kelly, it appears others in the inner circle as well, convinced the president after charlottesville and of course mr. bannon, perhaps had an off record chat with a reported this week in which he said he wanted democrats and the

political space to be talking and thece, because -- sense is, it became too much and donald trump decided that he had to go, that he was too much of a distraction, it really feels like. more than anything, he was distracting from the agenda and other things going on. >> so steve bannon, founder of breitbart, with his departure d othereitbart dan outlets lose an ally in the west wing? john: they definitely do. stephen miller comes to mind, the chief domestic policy advisor to the president, who the president thinks highly of andy has the ear of president trump. but this is a huge loss for those right-wing, i guess, media

organizations for lack of a better term, the conservative media organizations. one thing about the business model there, they are very good at criticizing, or opposing -- i mean, they came into prominence really under president obama, so i would not write them off just yet. they will have plenty to say and they have really built a wide following across the country. starting in the obama administration and presidential campaign and the first seven months of the trump administration. in a weird way, this could be good for business for those types of organizations, because they get, maybe they are freed a little bit, they do not feel like they need to give one of their own in steve bannon anymore and that they can just, they can write what they want. >> the headline of one of your

pieces at rollcall.com, steve bannon is out. you write his departure follows that of the national security adviser michael flynn, fbi director james comey, sean spicer, reince priebus, deveney national security adviser mcfarland, and anthony scaramucci. at the time, the incoming committee cas medications direc. are you getting a sense that john kelly is getting people in line in the white house that he wants to have there? john: getting the west wing in line and getting these folks in line are two different things. you still have ivanka trump and her husband, jared kushner, they are one faction of the west wing. you still have stephen miller, who is his own entity now. he was somewhat in line with bannon, they had a lot of the same views and they worked together on a lot of the same

things. but yeah, i think general kelly is taking the long view and is playing the long game with personnel. it will take a long time. you also have inner circle folks, the acting committee cases director, even though she is 28 years old and kind of still a newcomer, she could be the permanent vacation director permanentthe communications director and she has a straight line to the president. he thinks highly of her. kellyanne conway is still there. i think kelly is trying to bring in some of his own folks, but it is the boss's cal interestingl. >> interesting timing of this. with john mccain -- the type of

event that would be right up steve bannon's ally. ie ley. john: i am sure mr. bannon has been involved in the preplanning of the event, talking points, ideas that have crossed the president and he is thinking about what to say. but remember, stephen miller is still in the white house and he definitely is more, more willing to urge the president to go after senator flake and senator mccain. and the president himself, we saw it this week, all indications are, especially from his personal twitter account, that this comes straight from the president's mind. so, you know, he will not hold back. he is very much inclined to go after senator flake. he made kind of a veiled disparaging remark on tuesday

with the impromptu press conference about senator mccain, taking a shot at his votes that killed the republican health care bill. so the president will not hold back just because steve bannon is no longer on his staff. somebody pointed out on twitter, i did not catch who in the title wave of tweets after this was announced, steve bannon still knows donald trump's cell phone number. and president trump still thinks highly of him, that much is clear. and steve bannon has been loyal for the most part, maybe he said or went too far in the american prospect interview, maybe that was the final straw. it did not help him by all indications. but he will still be able to, i would guess, to talk to president trump, maybe not every time he wants but he still is going to have the president's ear from time to time, and it is a long flight to arizona.

who is to say they do not chat as the president is flying out there. >> you can follow john bennett's reporting at rollcall.com. thank you as always. announcer: this afternoon, bloomberg businessweek correspondent joshua green said he spoke with steve bannon. mr. green is the author of a book about steve bannon and donald trump called "the devil's. bargain." he said steve bannon said, if there is any confusion, let me clear it up. i am leaving the white house and going to war against donald trump's opponents in the media and corporate america. announcer: health and human services secretary tom price sat down for a profile interview with c-span to discuss his personal and professional life. the reflected on his early years in michigan, practicing orthopedic