secretary gutierrez: and i think everybody would agree with the -- three zero strategy. that sounds great. [applause] >> ladies and gentlemen, secretary wilbur ross, thank you for your service and thank you for your time. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> this event continues out with remarks from energy secretary rick perry. he talked about the administration's newly announced initiative worth $113 million, aimed to support the digital economy, infrastructure in the region.

this runs 50 minutes. >> good afternoon. hi, everyone. i guess the food is so good no one wants to stop eating. please continue enjoying your lunch. from what i can see, there is dessert as well. hopefully someone save me a little of that. you have had a fantastic program today. it is only about to get a whole lot better. i'm delighted to have the opportunity to briefly introduce the luncheon discussion today. as you can tell from your u.s.am, it is entitled the energy policy in the indo-pacific. i am going to frame the discussion a little bit. then secretary of energy very is going to give remarks -- rick

perry is going to give remarks. he will be joined by the cofounder and executive chairman of the carlyle group. they are going to have a very lively discussion. if you have seen either one of them, you know that to be true. you put them together, and we may have a molotov cocktail. let me set the frame for this discussion. i would like to take us to the year 2050 and talk about what the world is going to look like and what our relationship with this region means going out that far. gdp is going to have gone about 206%. we are going to have added 2 billion people to this planet. 7 billion people are going to live in cities, cities that need a lot of energy, that need jobs

that require a lot of energy. while demand for energy in 2050 is hard to forecast, rick perry would probably agree with me, even his own forecasts are absolutely going to be wrong. we know demand for energy is going to go up by about 75%. the demand for electricity within burgeoning populations and developing economies is going to go up about 140% from where it is today. the demand is being driven by the developing world. 80% of that demand is coming from the developing world, and some of that is coming from this region. as of today, 1.5 billion people today don't have access to any modern energy. is aere is india, which big part of this partnership. today in india, 40 million people don't have access to modern energy. that is the combined population of the united states and

germany. lots of work to do in india. have a tie that binds us in what we need for energy. today, the u.s. is in a position to be a stable partner, exporting partner, a solution to this energy demand. coal, exporting oil, gas, advanced technology to meet the world's energy needs while reducing its environmental imprint. energy is what binds us together. andica is an energy partner solution for this region. there is no better person to talk about this then secretary of energy rick perry. he is a veteran of the air force, a farmer, a rancher, the longest-serving governor of texas and a needle scout.

he is a classic underachiever. populationnor, texas grew, the economy expanded, and yet texas has cleaner air today than when he took office. it might surprise you to know that houston today has cleaner air than london, paris, or rome. eat that europe. let me welcome secretary rick perry to the stage. [applause] secretary perry: thank you. thank you, thank you, thank you. good afternoon. thank you very much. please pass on to tom my appreciation. i don't know if he is in the audience or not. tom donahue and i have done a few gigs together through the years. also want to say thanks to a

couple of my cabinet members who have been in today and give you a little observation about what is going on. david, i don't know if david is on the stage or not. come on out and have a seat. he is one of the veterans. [applause] secretary perry: he is going to be the interviewer, the straight guy in the act and a little bit. my dear friend. we have got to do things together, and a great supporter of the higher education in this country and some things he does together. he is on the kennedy board. he has some of the most interesting jobs in show business. an honor fornor -- me to be here today to share my outlook.

i think we have this tremendous opportunity to engage with the indo-pacific region particularly in the energy sector. interestnly is in our to do so, and it is -- it may not be as simple to engage as simple words here on this stage, but to clearly send the message we are going to stand with our allies, with our partners, and that is why i am really proud to underscore what secretary pompeo announced this morning, that we are in the process of developing a whole of government, if you will, multiyear, multimillion dollar framework of our energy efforts in the region. we are calling that effort asia edge, enhancing the government

and growth through energy. -- development and growth through energy. on foure will focus areas, expanding energy commerce, enhancing markets based on energy policy, market reforms, catalyzing private capital for the financing of andrt products, affordable access to secure energy supply. this will advance american interests even as it drives economic growth in asia. interestingly, it is happening at a time when our nation is at relativeedible place due to thisogress

cascade of technological advancements that are driven by innovation. we are producing this abundant, affordable energy from a water array, if you will, then we ever thought possible. we are using this energy more cleanly and more efficiently than ever. america is now the world's leading producer of oil and natural gas. we are setting and regularly breaking records for oil and natural gas production, and we are exporting lng 230 countries now on 5 -- to 30 countries now on five continents. i was able to go to the first lng plant on the tip of maryland. it is a notable development. we will account, the u.s. will

account, for nearly three quarters of the world's lng export growth between now and 2023. with that soak in just a second. this is stunning information for the energy world, especially important for asia, india, and japan as they are contracted customers of cove point, and their exports will build on that strong energy strategy. i traveled to india earlier in where we in the spring established a joint u.s.-india gas tax force -- task force. that is a strategic partnership with the private sector and is designed to help india unleashed its own natural gas reserves. they had some substantial

reserves there, and certainly bolstering their energy security and creating a range of u.s. commercial opportunities from just our natural gas, the molecules going there, cove, the infrastructure that is going to be built, the innovation that comes with all of that. undersecretaryr at the department of energy, mark menzies, to oversee that. i appreciate his commitment to the sector and continent. we were in japan a year ago. we are looking to promote greater commercial cooperation in the nuclear energy side of things. to that end, the deputy et, he is goingru to be traveling to japan next

week to promote the first u.s.-japan bilateral nuclear energy decommissioning. strongly committed to supporting that. that will give strong opportunities for u.s. companies. they will be talking about what his next on the nuclear energy are, small monitor reactors quite vogue, if you will. india will be a source of opportunity for smr's, the technology that is coming out of our national labs and private sector working in partnership. also korea, taiwan are moving towards decommissioning some of their nuclear reactors. this partnership model we are talking about with japan can be very helpful in expanding to

other parts of the indo-pacific. launched november, we the u.s.-japan strategic energy partnership. that is intended to promote universal access to affordable, reliable energy across the region. are also working together to create some new business opportunities and develop advanced energy technologies. in february, we launched a u.s.-australia strategic energy partnership to pursue similar goals in that region. partnerships,s of and going around the world. i was also pleased to note that today u.s. trade and development agency announced an agreement with japan's ministry of economy, trade, and industry to support lng infrastructure development in the indo-pacific region. that includes a reverse trade mission for public-private

sector leaders of japan to visit the u.s. and meet with u.s. suppliers of lng, equipment and services. finally, on october 1 through the third, mark peters, the head lab, hedaho national will be chairing the pacific race and nuclear conference in san francisco. this will be in a slot opportunity to discuss the development and planning of nuclear energy in countries across the pacific rim. they will hear a lot about small monitor reactors in that conversation. we are really here to work with folks in that region. this is an extraordinary opportunity that we have. by expanding our presence in the indo-pacific energy sector, we will support and enhance our nation's long commitment to regional peace and prosperity while guarding against those who

would use energy for coercive ends. we will also be offering the citizens of those nations the freedom and opportunity to create their own success, and the key to all of this, whether you are in the united states or a country over in the indo-pacific, is energy security. from that comes prosperity, economic growth, rising opportunities, and the freedom of each individual to pursue their dreams. that is why i am excited about asia edge. that is exactly what it does. that is the result of a we are going to be doing together. i am excited to get started, get engaged, and committed to working with all of you using our got given natural resources and our innovation and the image -- ingenuity that

comes from the united states. with that, david, thank you. we are off. [applause] david: secretary, thank you very much. before we get to the issues to address, i would like to ask the question, is it more fun being the governor of texas or secretary of energy? secretary perry: fund is an interesting way of describing it. there is the way i would describe it. the best job i ever had in my life was governor of texas. it will always be that. with that said, the most interesting job i have had in my life is the one i am in currently, being the secretary of energy at at incredibly unique time in american history and world history to be engaged in the energy side of it.

that speaks for itself when you think about it. 12 years ago, there was a fellow from texas giving a pretty interesting speech, being paid nicely, called peak oil. some of you may have heard that. we found it all. we discovered it all. even if we found more resources, we would not be able to extract it. it would be too expensive. gas is declining, and you need to figure out what you're going to do to exit. the great news for america, which has been our story always, david, is that the private sector innovators, and working scientists at our national lab, george mitchell, hydraulic fracturing, changed the world. literally. the energy side of this thing is incredibly fascinating.

15 years ago, we were beholden to a lot of countries that may not have had our best interests in mind. today, we are able to share with them our resources, our innovation, and giving them this mind thate of economic prosperity and energy security is at hand. david: you like living in washington. i know you travel a lot. would you ever consider coming back in 2024 as candidate for president? 3 im -- secretary perry: i am done. quote me on that. i said i was going to quit being the governor of texas and go to round top, texas. my wife and dog, we live together. retire. i totally failed at retirement. david: so much of the shale oil, which has revolutionized our

energy, is in texas. do you think that is because god looks favorably on texas? sec. perry: that is an interesting observation that you make. i don't want to get into, fall into the trap like the fella who gave the peak oil speech where we take a snapshot in time and say this is the world we live in. because innovation -- we may find copious amounts of resources that we are able to extract in india, for instance. we were talking about the technology working in the marcellas and the other places in the country. we don't know were all these resources are. somebody told me the other day feetey drilled 2600 horizontally in one day.

these are stunning numbers we are seeing today. their ability to explore and deliver these resources cheaply. what'sh that said, happening on the nuclear energy side, the highly efficient, low emission technology that is coming out of the coal industry. the renewables on the wind and solar side. all of this is happening at once and giving the citizens of the world some real opportunities and options that nobody thought possible. david: do you think we are better off as a country to go to places like india and china and say let us give you our technology we have used to discover shale oil and shale gas or export to them? sec. perry: i would suggest to you both. both are in our best interest. dutchd phrase, the

disease where the duchess olga natural resources and they got added value, i think there was a great lesson. the united states, being in the early parts of this partnership, being a deliver of natural resources, but also begin a nation, the technology -- the innovation, the technology, the expertise to be able to use that to develop their own natural resources are wide routes for us to go. david: you were in japan and the decommissioning of the nuclear facilities there -- is japan planning to decommission all of its nuclear facilities over time, not just the ones that have damage? sec. perry: i think there is a transition period going on in japan. reactors -- i think a lot of folks that are

substantially brighter and more experienced in that arena than myself would tell you the transition over to small modular reactors, partly because of the efficiency, partly because of the safety, partly because they are cheaper to build, will take a place a lot of that zero emission power that was being developed by the big plants. there is a transition going on. i don't think it is a way for nuclear power. morenk it is to a efficient new reform of nuclear power. david: in our country, we have 100 or so nuclear facilities. do you think they are the future or will we wind down nuclear in the united states? sec. perry: can i shoot long? can i throw really deep? i think you are correct in your observation we will go away from those big, monolithic, huge type of reactors we have historically built to new technology.

further down the road, fusion energy being developed. i was at a couple of places over the course of the last 30 days that are dealing with the fusion energy side of things. again, they are not proven. the prototypes will be built in the next five or six years, but there is really interesting and exciting opportunities dealing that aregy generation from nontraditional sources. david: long before you were secretary of energy, one of the issues of nuclear was what do you do with the spent nuclear fuel rods? there was a plan to move to nevada that did not work. orthere any progress on that there is nothing that will happen in the near term on that? sec. perry: i think the keywords you said were near-term. near-term the next couple of years or the next decade?

thatpe and my goal is nevadathe citizens of get comfortable that this is a place- i think it is -- to be a depository for the spent fuel or are there other locations in the united states which that may be one of the options that are out there as well. my home state has in far west texas in andrews county. is also aico, there place that could take some of this waste. that is not to say any of those are done yet. you are correct in that we are in a bit of -- i think it is morally irresponsible for us to continue to allow these spit fuel rods and this waste -- not

just from power plants, but the somear waste -- to sit in of the places we have in this country today because they are not secure. and the potential for an greater is certainly today than they were in an appropriate repository. david: the program that you and secretary pompeo talked about today -- do you think the people in china say wait a second, the north states, stay in the america area, let us worry about energy. we don't need you helping out. do you think there is any resentment in the united states try to help with energy in asia by the chinese? sec. perry: yes. david: ok, so what are you going to do about it? sec. perry: conversation, this is what we do. it is what we do.

it is frankly what china does. it would be no more appropriate for china to tell us we don't want you over here with your anymorenewfound energy than we would say we don't want to over here with your newfound telecommunications technology. it is a competition we are in the world. that theo make sure playing field is fair, balanced, that nobody is either subsidizing or putting their company and an unfair disadvantage to somebody else. americans ayou give level playing field, you keep us in a competitive arena and we will go play anywhere. david: in the business of investing in energy, so i ask you as a secretary of energy and say i have $2 billion on this, should i invest in liquefied natural gas the united states, shale oil extraction?

where is the best feature for my money. sec. perry: what is the name of your company? never sit upon the stage and tell you to check with carlisle. i would tell you to check with a lot of really bright, capable people. it is not my business to tell people where to invest. david: is that the ethical thing to say? do you think natural gas is a good area to invest in? sec. perry: i think the energy market right now in the world is a really fascinating place to be. growth andversus the the supply, where it is. infrastructure -- since you gave me this opening, let me run down the field with it. oil and gasrgest field in the world behind ansia, saudi arabia is

oilfield in west texas called the permian basin. it is only third behind those other two and has the potential to be the number one producer of oil and gas in the world. it is a stunning development. foot formation to be developed. the limiting factor in the permian basin today is pipeline capacity. we are going to the building infrastructure. we are going to be building lng facilities. we are going to be powering the world. i think that any good investment advice would be part of your portfolio would be in the energy sector, particularly in the infrastructure side. david: do you think the keystone pipeline will get built? sec. perry: i do, it needs to be. david: let's talk about supercomputers for a moment.

your department has been involved in putting up money for supercomputers. why does that department of energy get involved in supercomputers? sec. perry: people think about the department of energy and they think what we have been talking about, fossil fuels, renewable energy, energy sources. that is actually a minor part of what the department of energy is involved with. the largest part of our budget is over on nuclear weapons side, where're the curators. that in a number of degree are 17 national labs. -- that isscinating the reason why this is the most interesting job. it is not what has happened in the last -- and has not hurt we found all this energy and had all these things going on, but the reason the secretary of

energy is the most interesting job from my perspective is because of the national labs. the work that they do. the areas of that they are working on. think of z, you can it, they are working on it in some form. supercomputing is one of those. of the 10 fastest supercomputers in the world today, five of them belonged to united states and that is the property of the department of energy. we announced last month of resuming our lead in supercomputing capabilities, speed, etc.l with a computer called summi at oak ridge, national lab. idaho, very involved in the nuclear weapons side of things. -- the reason supercomputing is so important, i will get off on one more tangent -- you will not think

the department of energy would be involved in medical research. but we are and we are involved in that because of these supercomputing capacity that we have. veterans stress side, post-traumatic stress, traumatic brain injury and suicide invention is very important that sector, as it is in professional football, hockey, and our kids playing sports. the traumatic brain injury. we are working in construction with the university of california san francisco and their neuroscience department. they are accessing the supercomputers at the department of energy to find solutions to questions that beforehand were just impossible to answer because they did not have the computing capability. today, because we have allow them access to the supercomputers, we are finding

on for to challenges manic great injury, concussions, that we never had possible before. i will finish with this one anecdotal story that comes out of uc san francisco. a small device, no bigger than a quarter, that you can put a drop of blood in, slide it into a small analysis machine about this size that they developed at ucsf -- they can tell you in 10 minutes whether or not you have been concussed. the valley of that to the private sector is untold. if you have been concussed in an automobile accident and they can check you while you are in the ambulance and know which hospital to take you to, it can be the difference between you living, you dying, or you living with a brain injury had you gone

somewhere else you could have been substantially treated better. in the military side of things, combat -- being able to tell if these young people have been concussed will make a mess of differences in their lives. that is what you want your government to be doing. that is the type of result from tax dollars being spent at a national lab that you are like, that is what i paid my taxes for. david: let me ask you, one of your responsibilities to protect our national grid from interruption by cyber terrorists. how secure is our national grid right now? are you worried about any interruption by foreign enemies? an overhead,e have in some cases 60 years old. it is a good news, bad news. there is no single point of failure, by and large. but with that said, we live in a really new world. 10 years ago, you wind up is

sitting on the stage having a conversation with someone about a cyber attack on our technological grid. today, we know that is a possibility. probably in the last 72 hours about the russians. penetrating into a u.s. power company control panel. that is a true story. they did. we are working diligently. our national labs are very involved with both the defensive and offensive ways of dealing with this. -- i worry about power,ng able to deliver not just a single event. not just a hack of a power station. we buy a large comfortably handle -- by in large

comfortably handle -- we get pinged millions of times oa day, as do all the other control systems. what i worry about is making sure that we have a diverse portfolio of energy. one of the reasons the president asked me about the coal and nuclear side, to make sure we don't allow ourselves to become so dependent upon natural gas. we have been blessed with all of this gas, but don't become so dependent on it that you have a pipeline that gets interrupted. twoead of maybe one or power generators going out five years ago, that you lose dozens by one gas pipeline being interrupted. making sure you have coal, making sure you have nuclear because they store on-site. they are uninterruptible in that

sense. a little bit off the subject but it is not. my responsibility is to make sure that nobody ever calls up and say why did the electricity go off? that is ultimately protecting against a cyberattack, emp. that is sector specific both from the facst act and from a presidential declaration that the department of energy -- i think we are the only agency that actually has a sector specific role in making sure that the electrical grid is not affected by cyber. the present campaign saying he will try to help the coal industry. we are trying to get india and china not to use as much coal because of pollution. are you worried about air pollution from coal for united

states and how real is because to keep the industry alive for the next 20 or 30 years? sec. perry: i think people like to take their snapshots in time and say this is the world is and this is the way the world is always going to be. let's not get into that place. the technology is there for us coal in abundant supply in the country. highly i mentioned efficient, low emission technology. there is a plant down in the country we are doing testing on which allows for the use of coal. largest carbon captured yo utilization coal power plant right outside of houston last spring -- a year ago last spring, that i think

japan is a partner in. taken 95% of the carbon out of the air. obviously, with the scrubbers, emissions. my point is we will need all of this energy. how do you use it wisely and cleanly? we are seeing that. the united states, we reduce our 2005ions by 14% between and 2017. more than any other country in the world. the u.s. is doing its part and it was driven by innovation. getting that -- they are going to burn coal. the idea that somehow or another that, you know, they are going to burn coal. let's give them our technology, the support that they need to be able to use it.

obviously, my home state, reproduced emissions by massive amounts in the 2000s. that was partly because we moved away from old, inefficient plants and moved to natural gas. that was the biggest driver. we also had the largest wind energy development in the country. do youclimate change, believe there is climate change caused by human activity or you are not sure? sec. perry: no, the climate is changing. i think the question for me is is there a way you can continue to have development in the world and do it in a way that is as least harmful to the climate as you can? i think you can do that. i think the united states has shown you can do that, but here is, i think the bigger, moral question. there is one billion people in

the world that don't have access to electricity. africa and a continent that basically does not -- the substantial amount of the continent does not have access to electricity. sorry becauseem, sorry there are some thought process out there that if you have access to electricity, the climate in the globe is going to be impacted. , i don't think you can do that. i think what america's role should be is to show the world is here is how you can have energy security. here is how you can have energy accessibility and affordability. heading this country, heading this globe in the right direction relative to the climate we all live in. david: the problem with the

paris agreement on climate change is that it was not effective? or what was the reason why the administration does not support it? sec. perry: it wasn't fair. that china and india did not have to participate and the united states did. it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that a lot of that technology that has the ability to change china and india's practices would come from the united states. if we affect, if we affect our -- imy -- you think about don't know if it was tens of billion dollars it would cost the united states to participate in this going forward when you consider the the paris agreement could affect on the united states economy and the president says

you know what, how about you just judge us on what we do? you just judge us on the fact we are lowering our emissions and nobody else is. rome in april of 2017, sitting down with my counterparts at the g7, and we were not out of the paris accord by that particular point in time. but it was pretty clear the president was talking about it. and they got up and gave very strong impassioned pleas about the united states have to stay in the agreement. -- when the our doors were closed, they were like, we should be interested in buying some of your lng. thatcame very clear to me there are two conversations going on. there is the public conversation we are all in this together and we love paris and you need to stay in it. and then you see actions like germany that is politically

taking power plants off-line. we are getting away from gas. we are getting away from nuclear. and they are replacing it with coal because their citizens will demand to have a source of power. their emissions are going up. i take a little offense to that quite frankly. that the united states, over that 2005 to 2017 time, we reduced our emissions by 14%. you got some folks in europe over there and other places across the world that are not addressing this. david: let me ask you, we are the biggest producer of gas and oil in the world now. we used to be a big importer but now we are in that order. oilwe better off with prices going up for our economy because we are benefiting because we are producing it?

or are we better off with it going down because we're consuming it? sec. perry: well, it depends on where you find yourself in the food chain. david: you are happy around $80 a barrel? $70, $60? sec. perry: we are learning through technology how to produce this with less money. that is the key. the market is going to find its place. i don't think it is government's role to be manipulating the market. the market will find the appropriate length. because we have put resources the privateion, sector has put resources into innovation and we found new, more efficient ways to develop and are windas, and our solar.

all of those have been driven by innovation. if we will continue to keep a market force in place that allows for that competition to tour, then we will be able cheaply pumpally, this oil and gas. at that particular point in time, if you have $60 oil versus $80 oil, the producers can continue to find a way to make a living. the consumers gets to drive for cheaper and the economy as a whole is more effective. david: we are just about out of time so let me ask one final question. what is the biggest surprise that you have found in being secretary of energy compared to what you thought you would be? and the biggest surprise of being in the federal government versus the state government? sec. perry: well, let me draw

this comparison. workedernor in texas pretty much unilaterally with .he legislature words, thether governors and the legislature could get things done? sec. perry: we did not have federal government. they did not get it. david: your view, being the governor of the state of texas, the legislature allows you to do the work you needed to get done. in washington, d.c., it is not quite that seamless. members of congress party to deal with than the members of the texas with legislature? sec. perry: oh, yes. david: because they are more

knowledgeable or have more power or that is the way it is? sec. perry: it is because the texas legislature only meets for 140 days every other year. david: you are not suggesting that for the congress though? sec. perry: i think it is a pretty efficient way to do business. [laughter] david: well, secretary, thank you for your time and thank you for letting us know about the asia edge program. sec. perry: thank you, david. [applause] >> tonight on the communicators, british conservative party david is interviewed by shepherdson.

>> what is the concerns of the tech companies -- do you see any dislocations of those companies post brexit? >> one of the concerns is clearly immigration. one of the things that tech companies complain about at the moment even before brexit was access to the best global talent. they say look at silicon valley, they get the best talent in the world. london is a leader in many areas of tech either in europe or globally. they want access to the best talent in the world. one of the things i say is hopefully after brexit, we will have a policy where we can reach out to the best people in the world. >> watch the communicators tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span2. >> here's a look at the primetime schedule on the c-span networks. beginning at 8 p.m. eastern, former president george w. bush and bill clinton discussed lessons from a life in politics. energy p.m. on c-span2,

leaders and policy experts testify on factors that impact global oil prices. on c-span3, american history tv with programs about president ronald reagan and the cold war. >> earlier today in her first public appearance in 15 years, linda tripp, the whistleblower in the clinton administration's monica lewinsky scandal delivered keynote remarks at the national whistleblower center celebration of national whistleblower day. she went into detail about the clinton administration's reaction to her providing tapes of her speaking with monica lewinsky the former independent counsel kenneth starr and the pushback she and her family face from the president and his associates. here's a look. >> i know what it's like to be in the crosshairs of the most powerful person in the world. viciously, not because i said something untrue,

but because i said something people did not want to hear. and it was about a popular president. to politicians, only size matters and the truth becomes the casualty. i think we are all of the different. whistleblowers believe truth is not disposable, not dispensable. integrity and honor means something. to those who see us as betrayers, if we are seen through a lens of negativity, then my question to them is if i'm not a team player, whose team? whose team? -- stevee, my duty talked about duty -- my oath was to the office of the presidency, the institution, not the sitting incumbent.

i was true to that oath. i told the truth but i do fault myself for not having the gumption and the courage to do it sooner. i was faced with a culture of corruption, and again, this is not partisan in any way, that was infecting the office of the presidency. years.uiet for many i was afraid on many levels to speak out. there was a quote, and i will "we will that quote, just have to destroy them.: " i first heard these startling words in the west wing of the white house. they were chilling, they were but in earlyat me, 1998, i have began to fully

comprehend what the politics of personal distraction really means. -- i knew what was coming. prepared for the power and in the end, the overwhelming effectiveness of the smear campaign. what had seemed abstract to me will just have to destroy them was just personal. i was the target. i know what a real high-tech lynching feels like. i felt like that's exactly what happened. it began with the smoke and mirrors you saw in your tv. where it turned a sitting aesident in two a victim of vast conspiracy.

onwas a full frontal attack anyone who would dare speak against him. the destruction of a number human being -- another human being and the discouragement, belittling and ridiculing for political gain. villain is magically victimized, which is essentially what happened, the wrongdoer became the victim. the whistleblower was essentially destroyed from all of these allegations and the ridicule and humiliation that we suffered at the hands of a and certainly a willing entertaining industry. it was not pleasant. it was very unpleasant for my family.

for that, i will always be sorry. >> of that was just part of what linda tripp had to say earlier today that the national whistleblower center celebration of national was a blower day. you can see her entire comments as well as remarks from several others tonight at 10:40 p.m. eastern on c-span2. >> c-span's washington journal, live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up tuesday morning, americans united for life steve adin discusses judge brett kavanaugh supreme court nomination. frontline correspondent will talk about his most recent documentary which follows immigrant children separated the u.s.-mexico border. watch washington journal live at 7:00 eastern on tuesday morning. join the discussion. last week, washington journal