tv Washington Journal Primetime State Local Responses to COVID-19 CSPAN May 1, 2020 3:04am-4:09am EDT
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30 million americans now out of work as a result of this pandemic. and the federal government's social distancing guidelines set to expire in just a few hours, at midnight tonight, president saying he will not extend those guidelines because states have put in their own policies. governor jay inslee of washington state, and later the health and human services secretary will be joining us. phone lines are open. join the conversation. if you are in the manteno -- wec times out, were have a line set aside for you. this evening, we began with the numbers from john hopkins university, now 3.2 million cases in 137 countries and regions around the world. the death toll at 232,000 here
in this country. we are reaching the city 2000 mark and the number of deaths in all 50 states. country. joining us from washington is governor jay inslee. gov. inslee: thank you for naming a show after washington state. with let me begin unemployment workers. one in five workers now out of work, one point $5 billion in unemployment benefits. how are you dealing with the volume? we have received claims seven to eight times higher on a daily basis. -- are doing everything to get checks to people with expanded compensation. i was one of the first governors to expand that.
new technology to expedite that process. i know people around the country have had frustrations. we are doing everything we can. we know how painful this. we are making decisions to make sure we only go through this once, continuing our social distancing here in the state of washington. host: what advice are you giving that other governors? disciplinedve been as a state, a huge compliance with my order. we have been early in our decisions to declare an emergency and close schools and have our stay home, stay healthy initiative, but we still have a long way to go in my state. it's not like we have some panacea.
we are learning from each other, sharing experiences. the one thing we have learned is how committed we have to be to our long-term care facilities. these can explode, so we have put strike teams in our state to earlyo facilities to be in that regard. -- you saw that in kirkland, washington, at a nursing home facility. why was that such a hotspot so early? continuese research to figure that out. it was early. , theure these lessons thing that is unusual from our observation, it was not the worst facility, and yet it ran rampant. i think people have learned
lessons from that experience, nursing homes have. this, rapidly limiting visitors into long-term care facilities, that is one lesson we took in our state and other states as well to keep the virus out of these long-term care facilities. that is the first line of defense. strong testing on staff so that staff is tested and temperatures are taken. then top-notch, world-class infection control particles. we have training in our nursing homes to prevent that right now. there is another thing desperately needed which we have not had, and that is adequate testing capability to test people and protect our staff. we have not had the test kits to sample everyone. adamantwhy i have been
we needed to start a national program to manufacture these supplies. we built our analytical capability in our state and can probably analyze 20,000 tests 4000ay, but we only test for lack of swabs. i'm glad the president has come around and is helping us. we got news today the federal thesement would deliver swabs, which we need, helping testing. host: let's look at the numbers. state,9 in washington just over 14,000, 801 deaths. we will get to your phone calls in a moment. we have aligned in washington state at 202-748-8002. governor, your point about what
someone compared to a game of thrones, one state competing with another for testing, ventilators. why was that system in place? , there was a fromrsal cry for help governors to come up with a national procurement strategy. that,ason is that absent we were bidding against each other for where in the world we could find supplies. why didn't that start out of the gate? this is not a partisan statement. it is an accurate one. the president said he did not he was a shipping clerk. we thought that was one of the most exalted positions in america, to come up with the national plan for procurement. he refused to do that for weeks. that was disappointing to
republican and democratic governors, and particularly a problem with testing supplies. ppe,w have some help with the federal government getting some ppe, but the first time we got help from the federal government on the swabs was a couple of days ago when we were told we had some coming to washington state. game,d to get in this because it puts us in a better position. we need a mobilization of the manufacturing capacity so the u.s. can actually make this equipment. i can't order a company to make swabs. the president of the united states can under the defense production act. i think they have come around and there are people who have helped us. the vice president has been good , talking to me and others. various secretaries are pitching into more starting to seal that we'll crank.
crank -- whl eee facebook.com\cspan cranl i'm wondering when the ne xt -- guest: i missed the second part of that second question. instarted things construction, hunting and fishing. we had a more progressive position on that than other states. now we get the virus to come down a bit. i will announce tomorrow a phased in approach where we will phase in the return of our businesses. we are attending my stay home stay healthy order after may 4. that will continue.
yesterday, we went through the , over athat we look at dozen metrics we look at, and once those metrics get to that low enough level we are confident we can contain this virus, we will start an approach in detail. two conditions need to exist to start that process. number one, get the numbers low enough so we are confident we can contain them with the smart weapons of testing and contract tasting -- tracing in isolation. it is a one-to punch, get the numbers down, then bring in an army of contact tracing folks. people to contact trace, to go out when a person is infected and look at
everybody they contact with and get them tested and isolated if necessary. we are using 700 members of the washington national guard, and that will be a critical effort. i could not understand the second question. host: we won't move on. mike is on the phone. mike? , your: i was wondering have allowed us to play golf in tucson, and i'm wondering if you hole, anding four per the logic of just two? guest: if you're in the same household, you can be in a foursome. the logic is we need to reduce the physical interactions of epidemiologists will tell you that any increase in
physical interaction increases transmission, so it is just scale and scope. we are starting with two sons wosomes and get back to three later in the process. switch, turning a light we are turning a dial. first there will be two people, than for people so we can be safe. host: if you were to write a headline for your new agenda for washington state, what would you say tomorrow? are heading off, we in the right direction. curve more than any other state. we do think we are on a downhill slope, but tomorrow i will say back, thel bring
industries we can first bring back, and what are the general protocols about how to do so, to get people a sense of what the backncing we are to bring the economy of the state of washington. we will talk about that tomorrow , but it is largely dependent on the course of the virus. it is a complex equation and we are fortunate in washington because we have some of the best geneticist and modelers in the world. host: sophia up next from the bronx. thank you for accepting
my call. cuomo has beenr handling the job in new york has been great, especially in the bronx. five blocks down from the, it is another world. , theyople they die estimate it is about 1000 people. everyone works. gloves, they wear the masks. they are taking care of themselves the way it has been described to us, so for you, my daughter is in alexandria, virginia, an architect, and my son is in maryland. he is a computer engineering.
it to the way governor cuomo and mayor de people break the law, the people would ask -- be asked not to do. charge him. we can put them in jail. you there.l leave thank you for your call. are you finding people are adhering to your guidelines, face coverings and the rest? guest: we have brought complaints with our order. seeas been gratifying to him respond to this. it is the reason we have been able to bend our curve, because have done so by such percentages. i have hardly seen them united as much as this. it is something to be proud of.
action we have had to take about people not complying was a landlord trying ourvict people, violating moratorium on evictions, so it has been very successful. it will be tough. we are not done with this. we will have to buckle down and help each other remain disciplined. share to tell you that i with the lady was going through, feeling the pain in new york. tragedy.s is a i just learned of a friend losing an uncle this afternoon, and we are all in this together. governor cuomo has been a good voice for governors across united states in so many ways. host: our next call. caller: i have a couple of questions for you.
one, i'm curious based on our numbers throughout the state and are death rates, and being that on the level of 50 states in death and infections, when do you anticipate opening portions, or how do you anticipate opening portions of our state, county wise, so these counties can have revenue, so they can generate the revenue and those people out of work can start work? i am a contractor myself and i am curious to know what your timeline is for opening our state backup. host: thank you. guest: i know you had a hiatus in your construction work. i'm glad we have gotten ongoing work starting up again. my son is in construction, a
carpenter, and the industry has been helpful in permitting the protocols. we hope that will be a template for other industries as we bring them back. we will talk more about the timing tomorrow, but basically what we want to do is get the numbers down of infections per day, percentages of new hospitalizations, percentages of positive deaths, daily for counties. they have to be high enough so we can really test and get those numbers in the position that this will not rebound. i really believe the best thing we can do to make sure businesses permanently reopen is to make sure we do this right once instead of having to do it twice. i do not want to shut him businesses in july and august because we let off too soon in may, so we will make some tough
.ecisions i hope they will be successful so we don't have to go through this again. my son was laid off. we know how tough it is in construction and everything else, so i hope we will be successful in this. without health insurance, what are the options? guest: i am glad we have obama care available, in addition to medicaid, and we encourage people that if they lose their health insurance to look at those options on the exchange and are medicaid program. i am glad my state has been vigorous in expanding coverage availability, and we are now standing at the first public option in the united states. we believe health care is a right, and i encourage people to look at all those options, but the best thing to do is to get people back to work and make
sure they stay at work. that is why we are dedicated to making sure we are successful this time and don't have to go through this trauma again. host: you were the first curve in or to declare state of emergency. -- first governor to declare a state of emergency. when was that? march -- guest: march 11, or it might've been earlier than that. host: they all seem to run together. guest: this has been an intense period of all our lives. when you are governor, you are hopping pretty quickly. host: jane and iowa, good evening. caller: thank you for your honesty and telling the facts to the american people. i appreciate it. thought aboutyou the meatpacking plants in iowa,
the terrible conditions and making people work? guest: i have a lot of strong feelings for the people who work there. these folks really work hard. they put food on the table and they have to work in very difficult situations in the best of days. we all need to buckle down to get him ppe that they need, and this is one of the reasons i have said we need the federal government to start making ppe so everyone can have it. our nurses haven't had access for ppe for some period of time, so we need to ramp up and nationalize the manufacturing capacity so those workers can have the protection they deserve. they also have to have testing capabilities. we ought to be able to test everyone in the circumstances. you have to work close together. to do that, we need swabs,
medium, and reagents, and this is why i have tried to get the president to active that -- activate that. this is important for those of us who like to eat, which is a high percentage of washingtonian s and americans, so keeping that food supply is necessary. issues inme packing our state, but also orchards and fields, to try to get farmworkers with decent housing so they don't have to live too closely in trouble in buses that are dangerous, so we are working on a rule that will essentially require farmworkers to have safe housing and transportation. these are some of the hardest working people in america and deserve a safe place to work. host: we welcome our listeners on c-span radio. we are talking with governor jay inslee from olympia, washington
state. by mitchnts recently mcconnell that states should declare bankruptcy, if they need to. can you declare bankruptcy? guest: we shouldn't have to think about that. that a u.s. senator think that is the solution to the problem is outstanding. we have heard a lot of outstanding things out of washington, d.c. in the last couple of years. this is the top. you look at the services, states are some hypothetical group, it is the groups getting kids in schools, providing police protection, prisons to deal with criminality. those servicesde as a bankrupt facility. what he is saying is that he wants to take away the pension and retirement benefits from people who dedicated their
working lives to public service. i think that is an amazing slap in the face against teachers and state troopers and public health workers who dedicated their lives. you're basically saying we don't care about those people. that is what mitch mcconnell is saying, and i find that more than aggravating. i don't believe it is going to happen. i'm glad people are standing up. host: lisa from seattle, good evening. caller: hello, governor. i am a small business owner and provide housing inside seattle. i have two questions. one, do you have plans to help out small-business landlords who are not receiving rent from their tenants? , with theically seattle city council, there are members who supported a rent strike. what is your opinion about the
city of seattle councilmembers telling people to not pay the rent? have not propose such an article as governor of washington. the best thing i can do is get people back to work, and when they get back to work, then people can pay rent. we are dedicated to that. that is something i will talk to about tomorrow and our rebuilding program to get people back to work. i am eager to do that. i know this sounds like a long-term issue, but by making stay home, stay healthy initiative one time and get through this, we want have to take people off the work in august and september and again being in the situation of not having rent paid to you. that is what we are focusing on now so everyone can be economically healthy.
, and this is an interesting question about your eligibility for federal funds, i think you would be eligible for that. i will check to make sure. if that is a possible eligibility, we would like to make sure you can take advantage of it. host: mark from lynnwood, washington. good evening. caller: good evening. question thatar the last color had. had.st caller i own the duplex and the tenant is not paying rent. i depend on that rent to pay my mortgage and the property taxes and insurance and all that. i am at risk of losing my house because he is not paying rent. he filed for unemployment when he got laid off and got denied unemployment because he cheated
the last time he had an opponent and over claimed, so he has no income, and i have no rent. i want to understand is the state of washington going to assume any liability if they say renters don't have to pay rent? guest: well, we are not saying that. we have not eliminated the rental obligation. we have simply said people cannot be evicted right now .uring this temporary emergency that would create more homelessness. that moratorium has not eliminated the contractual obligation to openly make payment. for your mortgage, we have been accessful obtaining moratorium on mortgage foreclosures as well, so from your description, your renter
and yourself will not be homeless because of this. both of you will have some obligation. he will have obligation to pay rent, ultimately, and you will ultimately pay your mortgage, but we make sure neither one of you become homeless right now, and that is something we ought not to accept in this emergency situation, so i hope that works out for both of you, and that is with the state is doing right now. host: tampa florida, you are on the air with governor jay inslee . caller: thank you to c-span for putting me in touch with the governor. i have a daughter with who goes to the university of washington, getting her masters in communications, and also working for a particular department in the city of seattle. she sings your praises for the job you have been doing. one, becauseirst of the way this situation hit your particular state first.
so you are kind of leading, and i have been following her lead on what she gets from you and what the state is doing here in florida. i thank you for that, and thank you as she does for the job you have been doing in leading washington down this very tough road. the question is, how does the state work in cooperation with ,he metro cities in your state in preparing a budget, so as you open the cities to the different citiesthe city's need -- need to be prepared for, how does the state work with the major city like seattle and being able to budget since you're not getting any help from the federal government? and i thank you for the job you're doing? guest: congratulate your
daughter. of july.husky as we stick together. that's why she is being kind to me. i hope she stays in the state of washington. , we talked closely with the city, with seattle, to coordinate activities. maintain,ould like to remain hopeful that congress will eventually help states and cities, because we just provide such essential services, and the federal government has a fiscal ability to do things we cannot, including the ability to do some deficit spending, and frankly, at the moment, since we are on i've wants a of -- disaster, but major challenges -- we believe, both republican and democratic governors, that it would be a good thing for the
federal government to help states and local communities more than they have to keep these essential services going. we are looking at a hole in our budget. we cannot stop educating their children, stop policing the roads, stop putting up forest fires. that is just unacceptable, so we are hoping congress can take another look at this and help states, at least as much as they help the los angeles lakers, so we hope that will happen. host: the senate returns monday. the house expected to return sometime in may. barbara, you are next from longview, washington, quick question for the governor? caller: thank you. i have a question regarding the 2020 graduations and the students. i know it is a terrible time and they have done a good job as far as closing down the schools and everybody keeping their distance in town.
studentsion is these can have the distancing and the safety issues on the stadium field, and it is not a class, no spectators, just the class and the principal, if they can conduct a graduation ceremony there so they are all together as a class -- they measured it out to 16 feet between each one of them, and they would just be able to do that as a class instead of getting a picture taken split together and put on a video, and all the parents they are fine. we will watch it on tv, but let the kids be together on the field. interesting. we have had to make some decisions that are tough. one is to prevent large gatherings of people. social distancing good in the abstract, but is difficult to achieve with large groups of people.
you don't know which person is supposed to move to get the six feet, so i don't think in the short term that will happen in the state of washington, but as summer goes on, there will be opportunities for physical gatherings and we will have great graduations electronically. i just sent congratulations to the washington state cougars on their graduation. our kids are resilient enough to look at this as an expense that will give them some strength and some resilience and some pried they have been able to achieve, and a little later in summer, hopefully a time when they can get together with their friends physically. i remain hopeful about that. host: governor jay inslee, you have been gracious with your time on a busy day, a busy week. thank you for being with us on the washington journal. guest: thank you. please wash her hands. host: on november 1, 2005,
president bush traveling to nih to deliver a speech on pandemics, in part based on the book about the 1918 pandemic, the audience the doctors, researchers, federal employees. we carried the speech on the c-span network. --makes reference to crap we must have plans in space and contain an outbreak, deliver a vaccine another treatment of frontline responders and at risk populations. my administration is working with public health officials and the medical community to develop effective pandemic emergency plans. we are working at the federal level. we are looking at ways and
options to coordinate our response with state and local leaders. toave asked mike leavitt bring together officials from across the nation to discuss their plans for a pandemic. them improve pandemic planning at the community level. provideing congress to $583 million for pandemic preparedness, including $100 million to help states complete and exercise their pandemic plans now, before a pandemic strikes. pandemicluenza strikes, every state in every community must be ready. pandemic, we a need personnel and adequate supplies of equipment. in a pandemic, syringes to hospital beds, respirators, masks, protective equipment would be in short supply. isthe federal government
stockpiling critical supplies and locations across america as part of the strategic national stockpile. the department of health and human services is helping states create rosters of medical personnel willing to help alleviate local shortfalls , and everyndemic federal department involving health care is expanding plans to ensure all federal medical facilities, personnel and response capabilities are available to support local communities in the event of a pandemic crisis. , thespond to a pandemic american people need information to protect themselves and others. an infection carried by one person can be transmitted to many other people, so every american must take personal responsibility for stopping the spread of the virus. that from then-president george w. bush in 2005.
our phone lines are open. 202-748-8000 in the eastern half of the country. 202-748-8001 for those in the mountain or pacific time zones. a medical professional? 202-748-8002. we hope to talk to mike leavitt. we are having some connecting issues. first, earlier today governor reynolds outlining plans to gradually reopen her economy in the state. should expect normal to
covid-19 is not going anywhere anytime soon. the virus will be in our community and people get sick until a vaccine is available. foring businesses close weeks or months longer won't change that fact and simply is not sustainable. it is not sustainable for ireland's, their livelihood, or our economy. we must learn how to manage the virus in the course of our daily lives. testing andanded tracing capabilities gives us the tools necessary to identify , and, track activity deploy targeted strategies to manage long-term. us to take a measured approach to the comeback. i believe we can get life and business back to normal in a
safe and responsible way if we all continue to work together and do our part. earlier today on a primetime addition of c-span's washington journal. all air coverage, including this program, the white house briefings and briefings from governors around the country is on our website at c-span.org /coronavirus. joining us from kensington, maryland is our guest. let me begin with the back-and-forth. you are scheduled to return monday at the direction of mitch mcconnell? what are your concerns, if any, days?ing in just four >> i>> am ready to go to the capital, but very concerned about the health and safety of the workers on capitol hill, because senator mcconnell has not put in place any plan to protect their health and their
lives, and a lot of them are my constituents. i represent the state of maryland, and on capitol hill, most of the workers come from the district of columbia, maryland, and virginia, and were talking about front-line workers like cafeteria workers, custodial workers. senator mcconnell appears to have no safety plan in place to better protect their safety, and i think that is not responsible. host: he is saying frontline workers, they are on the job, so senator should be on the job. guest: i am not saying senators should not be there. i'm talking about the hundreds and hundreds of other people who will be coming to capitol hill without any direction or guidelines from senator mcconnell to protect their safety.
for example, if you are a cafeteria worker, unlike a senator, you have to stand in line serving the meal. if you are a cashier, you have to be essentially doing your job. senator mcconnell has not said we will all comply with the district of columbia rules. these are all hotspots right now. diead 1900, more than that, in those three jurisdictions. what i am asking is pretty simple, that senator mcconnell saiz the senate will abide by the safeguards that the district of columbia has put in place, that after all is where the capital is, and that he will take precautions to protect those workers at the united states capital. so i think the 100 senators can take care of themselves, essentially move where they want, when they want, but the workforce does not have that
same freedom of movement, and senator mcconnell needs to take that into account, and there is no indication that is part of his thinking or plan. your do you know if colleagues will boycott and may not come monday because of those concerns? guest: listen, i think every senator will make up his or her own mind with respect to coming to the capital. again, i will be there. health andis that safety of my constituents, who i see on capitol hill, the workers helping to make the place go. they make it run. they operate the place. do isry least that we can to ensure the united states senate with comply with all the guidelines of the district of columbia and senator mcconnell will have a plan to protect their health and safety. want the u.s.t
senate to be a coronavirus vector for this region that has already lost over 1900 people. host: what are the priorities? what will you be voting on next week? guest: that is a good question. you would think in calling back the senate, the republican leader mitch mcconnell would have an agenda focused on the emergency we face in this country right now, that we would be coming back to work on the next round of legislative proposals, because there are still many more needs that need to be met, and conducting appropriate oversight, because we are now spending trillions of dollars, and it is important that the senate conduct its oversight responsibilities to make sure those moneys are being spent the way we want. for example, the paycheck protection program, where moneys have gone to large chain
operations and not to mom and pop small businesses. we should be conducting that oversight. instead, senator mcconnell is focused on votes on judges, conservative judges that may want to pursue his particular judicial agenda and also happened to be very close to him. that is not the kind of work we should be focused on at this moment. we should be focused on the emergency at hand. host: you are at her home in kensington, maryland. what have the last week's been like for you and your family? guest: like so many across the country, we try to do our best to observe social distancing up inements, so i am set my office here in our house in bc andffice is
maryland are close. d.c. andwashington, maryland are closed. salute all the people who don't have the and puttingelework themselves at risk, nurses and doctors on the front lines, or the other essential workers even as it economy, has slowed down considerably, keeping open those essential places. but for myself, we have been doing our best to stay in touch with constituents calling us in contacting us to access the help they need, food assistance, unemployment insurance, one of the programs for small businesses or nonprofits. we are trying to respond 24/7.
host: finally, how do you think this end and it has changed the country? pandemic has changed the country? guest: it has taught us that we needed to be better prepared to for this kind of emergency. i think there were warning signs --t should have been heated there should've been warnings that were heated in stockpiles. something many scientists predicted would happen and predicting will happen again. this particular pandemic will be with us for an uncertain amount of time. we need to be prepared for these crises in the future. light onown a harsh many of the deep divides and inequities in our country, our
health care system, which has been much more difficult for some people to access, to our wasation system, where i focused on this before, the homework gap, those kids not connected to the internet at home, even though teachers are assigning homework that requires them to access those resources. now it is more than a homework gap. it is an instructional gap as more students -- schools are trying to connect with students. those students not connected to the internet, they are falling behind. i think there are lots of things we need to address on an urgent weis for this emergency, but have also seen we have got to do a better job of addressing those going forward, to close those inequities in divides. senator, thank you for
being with us on c-span. guest: good to be with you. host: one of those early warnings came in 2005. we showed a net certain from president george w. bush's speech from 2005, making reference to mike leavitt. he is joining us live from salt lake city. thank you for being with us. guest: thank you, steve. this is a first for me. here i am. i am delighted to be with you. host: we are glad you are here. president bush said one day that lives will be lost needlessly because we fail to act. 15 years ago. here we are today. guest: this message was we will have a pandemic some point. that is a message that every generation needs to repeat,
because every generation or every other one will have one. these happen rarely enough that we can get the lessons of history. i also learned while i was to 54 states went and territories to say we need to prepare. i think we did improve the preparation, but anything you say in advance of a pandemic feels alarmist. anything you have done after it starts feels inadequate. a different kind of disaster than anything else we have faced. we are prepared for disasters in our country. the journal of philanthropy that "this is not a four-month to six-month situation, even if you have a vaccine, and it takes another year to get it. immunity does not happen overnight. we will have to adjust the way
we live." what does that mean to the average american? usst: that this will be with for a while and not a problem we will be able to solve immediately. we will have to manage through it. we will have to do a lot of things we have normally done, but do them differently. we will have to learn to social distance, not just staying inside her home, but able to .ove about and interact be aware of, cautious of, and avoiding things that could make us second other people sick. host: what has surprised you most in terms of the response in the path moving forward? guest: what surprised me the most? one thing we should not lose sight of is how remarkable the response of the american people has been.
there has been unity across the country, and though this is hard and not something we would have desire to occur, people have set aside traditions, their work, done what needed to be done, and it is working. our social distancing strategies are working, but we are performing far better than the models predicted we would in many areas of the country. the question we have now is to determine if those models have been wrong or has it just been our social distancing, and what will happen now that we open up? it is a bit like we are walking onto an icy lake. we are not sure how thick the ice is. how do we do that? we walk, then get comfortable.
that is where we are as a country. we are learning as we co-. we are trying to figure this testing out, how you can open a restaurant, or if you work in a hospital -- we are all learning. host: if you listen to president bush's speech on our website at c-span.org, everything he said in 2005 has essentially happened during this pandemic. guest: well, the president wrote a book called the pandemic of the 19 18 influenza. it was evident to him and was to pandemics are a biologic fact. they have happened 10 times in the last 300 years, and three times in the last 100 years, and there is no reason to think the 21st century would be different. in some ways it is predictable.
we are in the middle of it now. we are on the side of not having prepared as well as we could, but saying what can we learn? this is not over. the pandemic of 1918, the first wave came, they relaxed, then the second wave, then the third wave. the things we are learning today we may well use again in a few months. hopefully we will learn enough lessons that we can do it increasingly better. we have never been a civilization better able to cope with the pandemic than the one we are in. why? we have communication. we have become pandemic experts in five weeks. we know about the virus, how the testing works, what we can do to stop it. that wasn't true in 1918, so we should do better. host: that better includes testing. you have written a letter to
democrats and republican leaders , you wrote the following "to begin safely east at home restrictions, it is of paramount importance to be able to provide broad, timely testing for covid-19, diagnosed positive cases, enable infected individuals to self-isolate, trace and alert those who have been exposed to him and those who have been in contact to days."olate for 14 my question is the mechanics in this and the costs involved? first of all, this kind of activity is an epidemiologic -- what people have always done when they have not had vaccines, so there is nothing unique about this other than we are doing it on a scale that has never been done before, and we need to acknowledge that. there is some uncertainty about
the way this can or will work, but the alternative is not acceptable, so there is a need for us, particularly now in the time we have a vaccine to attempt to do this on a scale that will allow us to get back to work and not have loss-of-life. we have spent a lot of money in trillion in, $2 economic stimulus. the testing is going to cost billions more, but we ought to spend what we need to to stop this. it is the best money we can spend, if we can stop it in his tracks. we will save lives and our economy in doing so. governor served as the of utah and head of the national governors association. we talked to senator chris van hollen, comments by mitch mcconnell that states in trouble should declare bankruptcy.
from your standpoint, should they? could they? speculatedle have that for reasons other than this disaster. states have put themselves in a position where they are insolvent. i hope that doesn't happen and there's not a need for the federal government to bail the states. i think that would be a very bad thing. i am sure there is a way we can work to these problems other than bankruptcies. host: going back to testing, how many tests need to be done for the testing information data to be effective? in every will differ state in every situation. states and local communities will have access to the testing resources they need because the pandemic going back to the nature of how different these are, we are in this one together.
we would deal with disasters , the9/11 or katrina response strategy was called the states and have the states send their resources to the area affected, and send a lot of money. the problem with the pandemic is the states can't send the resources because it is happening there, so this kind of testing where one area can infect another, where we have to have a kind of national ensure that states and local communities have the resources they need. that is the general policy. we will learn if we can do this at the scale we are talking about. i feel confident that congress will acknowledge, and they have already, $25 billion, there will be some learning as we go. if it is not working, we need to do something different, but we
need the resources to stop it, prevent it, and save the economy. has this change the country forever? host: has this change the country forever? guest: i have study pandemics going back to 400 a.d. there is a lot we don't know, but there is a lot we do know. one thing we do know is the pandemic changes the world in dramatic ways, changes the economy, the politics. it causes a lot of sociological change, and we should expect nothing less of the 2020 pandemic. we will see a lot of change. we are already seeing it. what we are doing today, the way we are working, that is changing it. the way we are interacting with other people is changing, and there will be a lasting impact this, and that is very much part of pandemic history. host: where are you tonight?
andt: i went out for a walk i got a call saying you're supposed to be on c-span, and i thought it was tomorrow morning, so i set down and put my phone in a place that is secure and i'm having a delightful conversation with you in your viewers. that is one of the changes of the world we are living in. host: we appreciate you taking a break from your walk. what do you think the next six months will look like in utah and across the country? guest: i have given a lot of thought to that. i think we are going to go through now a couple of months where we experiment with loosing the social distancing requirements, and we will all be watching closely. in our state, we have gone from red status to orange, from severe to a moderate risk, so we will see some restaurants beginning to open up with limited service.
we will begin to see a few people changing the way they work, then we will measure very carefully. separatetching four measures to make sure were not outstripping hospital capacity, watching our testing .equirements if it turns out if we are not change, we a lot of will loosen it more. ost: mike leavitt joining us in the middle of his walk in sthrakse, utah. we'll let you continue this evening. mr. secretary, thank you for your time. >> thanks for your patience, it as a delight to be with you. host: a look at deaths in the u.s., and arnold the world.
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