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the major party nominees in the 2022 massachusetts gubernatorial race took part in a debate. the winner will replace outgoing governor charlie baker. the nonpartisan cook political report with amy walter rated the race solid document -- democrats. >> a chance for a new governor to take charge. >> and to let your voice be heard. >> how do we reduce the cost of living? >> we have to find ways to unlock new housing opportunities. >> i declare maura healey to be the people's worst nightmare. >> who will be the one to get
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your vote? >> i believe in our state and so much as possible if we come together and work together. >> this is an important election. i will make sure massachusetts delivers services people expect. i will listen to people every single day. >> the top issue is affordability and we need to drive down prices and the cost of living. >> people are suffering and our city needs to help with mental health. >> we don't need people who are dividing us but delivering for us. >> during my time at elected office, i've never -- i delivered. i will make sure to do that as government. >> i would be honored to have the opportunity to serve as the next governor. >> now, your moderator, latoya edwards. >> welcome to a very special
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night. we are honored to host the first debate of this election season for the governors race. we will like to think the candidates for participation. we are joined by three panelists. allison king, corey smith and grace gomez. we want to thank you at home. stick around to see if your question made the cut and we want to hear from you all night long. sweet us and like us and give us a follow or mention. use the #nbcgovdebate . the first question is for both candidates.
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you and the attorney general have been critical of the direction your component -- opponent would take the state. please explain why her administration is not the right choice. diehl: happy birthday to my daughter and it is her 21st birthday. with my remaining time, i will tell you that thank you for watching this and my goal as governor is to make sure i listen to you and work hard, should the state most of the right direction and my opponent is driven by ideology that is also pushing for energy solutions that are unavailable. we are seeing spikes in a home heating and spikes in electric rates, 64% and my opponent believes we should be fossil fuel free by 2030 but there's no way to get there.
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we need to get from a to b responsibly but we cannot do it irresponsibly. she will bankroll our state -- bankrupt estate -- our state. latoyia: can you explain why a geoff diehl administration is not right for the state. healey: my opponent is donald trump's candidate for governor and i would be honored to be yours. abortion is on the ballot and i support and i will protect and defend a woman's access to abortion. my opponent was to ban abortion -- wants to ban abortion and cut off concert traction -- contraception. i will reject trumpism. -- i am proud of the results in
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our office but as governor michael will be making life more affordable and cutting taxes and improving education and job training and making sure we are there to support people, given the challenges we face around mental health so i look forward to this discussion and i have the experience. latoyia: fix next question is for both candidates. -- this next question is for both candidates. diehl: it is halloween time and that is our bogeyman, donald trump. what is important is making sure that our households are able to afford to live the american dream in question chooses -- massachusetts and we will make sure the debate is about massachusetts. if we want to talk national projects, joe biden is leading us in a economic disaster and his cutting of the xl pipeline
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is hurting families in massachusetts. latoyia: would you like to respond? healey: over the last eight years, my office right back and saved taxpayers $7 billion. i appreciate how hard people work and i put forward plans that will center the work on affordability and driving down the costs of housing and transportation and health care and childcare. my opponent was to take away minimum-wage. -- my opponent wants to take away health care and we will talk about donald trump because you had donald trump supported you in the primary and you went donald trump's campaign if you have said that you will have donald trump back 100% of the time. that is not where we need to go and we need someone who will lead us and bring us together and deliver for the people and
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it is clear who is capable of doing that. latoyia: 20 seconds. diehl: when it comes to saving taxpayers money, she says she wants to cut taxes and say yes on question one which will drive people out of the state. i am the only one who cut taxes when i let the appeal of the indexing of the gas tax to inflation and that saved people thousands of dollars per household. latoyia: i hear from both of you because -- that he wants up -- that you want to talk about saving money and viewers were hurting financially. we want to bring in corey smith. you have a question from the candidate. >> this is a question for both the um massachusetts consistently rates -- ranks among the states that is the most expensive. they have -- people have family we family members -- mr. deal,
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what would you do to expand housing across the state and make things more affordable? diehl: people need to solutions and we can do that by expanding transportation and opening up other areas in the state. the fact that people during the pandemic were able to work remotely, that lends itself now for people to be able to live outside the city but what makes it more affordable is -- unaffordable is her policies on energy. it will see a very cold winter and i think we will hear from people especially in november. we lost 50,000 people from massachusetts last year.
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we have to make the state more affordable. corey: what would you do to expand for -- affordable housing. healey: no matter what region you are visiting, we hear from people, residents who can afford gas and grocery and can't think about gas -- downsizing. we have a deal with the affordability issue and as governor, i will do everything i can to make the state more colorful -- affordable. i want to make it a state where if you're born here, you can stay here. i want people coming to our great state but we have to work with the affordability issue. we need housing stock across the state for housing at various income levels and we need to drive down the cost of transportation and stick to the transportation public system.
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my plans are strong addressing those issues and on the pipeline, i said no to the pipelines because they wanted to charge us as rates players -- great players --ratepayers. standing up to utilities, i would do that as governor. diehl: affordability, to buy a house or start a family in a first home or downsized retiring, it is hard. we have to -- the same time, it is important that we elect people that will drive up the cost. she supported president biden who has given us massive inflation and mortgage rates are increasing and that is a major part of why people can't get to the homes. at the same time, we have to
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provide jobs and make sure they earn income items and i started a business with my wife and we struggled to make it successful and now it is and we know what it is like to invest in massachusetts. we are saying question one -- seeing question one drive people who invest in the state and driving them out and we will see capital fleeing. latoyia: that is time for both folks. let's move onto to another hot topic. a top concern and i hit the streets to speak to folks to -- and here's what they had to say. >> -- shut down the orange line and that set us back. latoyia: we received a lot of questions about this and travis rhodes, the mbta is cruming and what changes need to be made to leadership and the culture of the mbta? healey: we don't have a
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functioning economy unless we have a functioning transportation system and it works from all over the state and we need to make it safe and affordable and reliable. i am going to appoint a safety chief to make sure that all of our rails and buses are checked and spec -- inspected. i will change the way everything is governed in making sure we have people that are responsible for capital planning and operations. i will spend focus on workforce because we don't have enough people who are trained and we need to recruit my people in the workforce. we have money coming in and infrastructure funds to be deployed and i supported the use of a -- that's. we have to find chapter 90 into -- and funding transportation
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projects around the state. diehl: -- what needs to be -- latoyia: what needs to be changed in leadership? diehl: my wife and i never owned a car when we first met and we took the train. we are big believers in public transportation and we need to know that people in boston and transportation around the state is reliable. what we need to do is not ring in consultants and tell -- bring in consultants to tell people in the mbta what to do. we need to have a chinese company that has built the where -- railcars that has been late and they don't meet the specifications. that contracts need to be gotten rid of but listening to the workers. be on just the mbta,
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transportation climate initiative, something that lower field -- lower healey wants to bring back, -- we need to make sure all solutions -- solutions are on the table. healey: this case to the issue of affordability and i want to be clear as governor, i will cut taxes. in the legislature needs to act. we need to have text with -- tax reform it is also -- and it is going to cut the state tax. especially that we have seen housing crisis -- prices increase. these are all things that i support that gets to the issue of affordability.
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latoyia: within 400 bridges in massachusetts are inefficient and how will you ed royce -- address the aging infrastructure? diehl: there was a bridge that has been there since 1984 so we will fix the work bridge but there are bridges in beard -- meet up prepare -- prepare -- in need of repair. one of the reasons was because of this vaccine mandate put on state workers and if they didn't get vaccinated, they lost their jobs. a lot of them took early retirement and some were fired. when we are understaffed at the mbta, that is why the federal government is overseeing us. i will make sure that anyone in the administration that that stepping on people's civil
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rights was a good idea, they are out. latoyia: you have 60 seconds and more than 400 bridges in massachusetts are structurally deficient. how will you address this? healey: we need to use infrastructure funds. there are shovel ready projects and we need to get the money out to our cities and towns so they can do this work and we talk about transportation and it is important to focus on the fact that our bridges and all roads need the support and investments and there are a lot of jobs. i want massachusetts to be the greatest state in the country or state where people want to, and businesses and people want to grow families and opportunities. one way we get there is making sure we have fantastic transportation systems and affordable cost of living and support for education.
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these are things that are important. latoyia: i heard some coming wrap -- common ground but differences as well. lesson things over to alison king. -- let's send things over to our thinking. >> you have said that 2020 presidential election was rigged and stolen from donald trump eddie called on federal -- governor baker to investigate the election. do you still believe that donald trump won the 2020 election. mr. diehl: obviously don't -- joe biden won the election and look at how bad the economy is down. in massachusetts, we saw that
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people did mailing battling -- mail-in voting and in person. even as charlie baker said when he be told that legislation, if people are allowed to get a drivers license, registers -- the 2020 voter lot renders them -- registers them to vote. allison: you do think joe biden is the current president. have you done anything to correct the record among your republican colleagues who feel otherwise? mr. diehl: i think everyone understands the stakes of joe biden soon -- joe biden's presidency and people are focused in 2024 making sure we correct the mistake having a president that lost control of the economy and foreign policy and i am looking forward to seeing who is and will maybe
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support the candidate from the republican side. allison: as a former campaign core chair for donald trump, have you learned anything from the former president regarding classified documents or anything that cost you last year to question your support? mr. diehl: january 6 is nothing that should have happened but there is very little focused on what happened in 2020 with riots across the united states where there was cities burning in portland and minneapolis and in boston. nine officers to the hospital after being shot at and my opponent was asked during the greater boston chamber of commerce meeting what she thought and she said yes, america is burning but that is how forests grow. that is devices -- divisive. she was spring out on by talking about it is ok -- spurring it's
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on by talking about it is ok. ms. healey: i have been the chief law enforcement agency for years and i do not condone violence and that was maybe a poor choice of words at a business best -- breakfast -- it was a need to come together to work on things but i want to be clear. my opponent, let's be clear about who we are. my appointed has said that he backs donald trump 100% and he said he wants some trump to be president in 2024 and he chaired his presidential campaign and continues to play from the trump playbook and wants to bring trumpism to massachusetts. those are values and principles and ways that we have rejected time and time again and i want to be clear with voters about
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what is on the line and how high-stakes this election is. that is what i think people need to understand and why i am addressing it. i understand my opponent doesn't want to talk about. allison: this next question is for you. your office sued pete trump administration almost 100 times and critics say you were politicizing the general attorney's office and wasting tax dollars. what do things have to show for all the time and money fighting donald trump? ms. healey: you have environmental places -- changes in place. i could tell you all of those suits didn't cost the taxpayers of massachusetts a dime and it was important to protect workers and consumers and young people and dreamers. that is why with the suits, i
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was joined by public universities and some businesses because it was a matter of standing up for and protecting the people of nasa chooses. donald trump wanted to change the senses --census. my opponent did not want to account massachusetts president and that is a serious problem when it comes representation of government and the flow of federal dollars. allison: do you have a rebuttal? mr. diehl: she spent several time prosecuting political corruption in massachusetts. someone you stood with was defrauding a state agency and you did nothing and kicked it over to the federal officers. i don't know why you are unwilling to take on political corruption while you are wasting time and energy on federal policy. allison: do you want to follow
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up? ms. healey: there are a lot of responsive -- responses but i am proud of my record. over the last eight years, my office has brought lawsuits and we have had to sue the president of the united states and in that course, we brought back to the, growth -- commonwealth. my annual budget is about $60 million a year and that has been a good return on investment and shows why i am the candidate position to lead in this time. my opponents abuse -- upon it opponent's -- views make him extreme and dangerous and unqualified. latoyia: thank you for that. we want to bring in grace gomez. >> [speaking foreign language] good evening to both.
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i law was passed allowing undocumented in europe -- immigrants to get a drivers license. police the -- police chiefs in the states -- you're working to overturn it and why? mr. diehl: we are seeing people pour into the country in massachusetts is a state that have -- sanctuary policies and if you are here illegally and committing crimes, federalize agents can't get rid of the dangerous people preying on immigrant communities so you when you -- when you add drivers license to the situation, you have people here illegally and people come to massachusetts to get it no problem and there is a pathway for people who are here with work visas or even a
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refugee, they have the pathway to get a drivers license. these are people who have chosen not to become a physician -- citizen. grace: do you have a rebuttal? ms. healey: there is a reason why police chiefs all around the state support this. as a fundamental matter, you want to know who is driving on our roads and want to know that they have received instruction and training and you want to make sure that they are insured. many other states already do this and most of the new england states do this and you have to do this as a matter of safety. mr. diehl: governor baker veto this and the rmve is not set up
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to handle outside the country documents and the aroma for elections, they become enrolled to vote in future elections but the other thing is there is still requirements for insurance. my daughter got a drivers license and she did not get to improve insurance. grace: i wanted to follow-up on what he said about voting because new york and connecticut have protocols in place to take immigration status before issuing drivers like this -- it will solely be for that purpose and in that federal quoting. will something like that work in massachusetts? mr. diehl: sure but the federal legislative did not want to work with massachusetts. that is why think it is good to have divided government. have someone like myself willing to say to a left linking -- left-leaning legislative this is
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far. ms. healey: it is important to have honesty and government. what my opponent said it not true. no one would be automatically enrolled if they voted in our state and my opponent points that massachusetts somehow doesn't have it together enough or as states -- 17 states do. this is a matter of public navy -- safety. grace: in september, when 50 migrants were flown to martha's vineyard, the state mobilized multiple resources to provide social services for them and that incident reignited the controversy over whether massachusetts should be a sanctuary state. shut massachusetts become a sanctuary state? ms. healey: let me tell you what i believe. i was so moved by the response
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of people in massachusetts that people at martha's vineyard -- i was hardened -- heartened by the baker administration and i am proud of our state how we responded. this is a political stunt by a person who is willing to exploit human beings for some perceived political gain. what we need to do on immigration is we need national immigration reform and too many members of his party have blocked it but we needed for employers and workforce and it will solve a lot of problems. grace: you have a rebuttal? ms. healey: -- mr. diehl: the crisis we have on our border is humanitarian crisis and what happened to the people at martha's vineyard is outcry -- an outcry with people coming to the states and people not being a -- able to afford it.
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mary -- mayor -- we should not have people being used as pawns but we have to solve the immigration crisis and get a hold of it and everything else is patchwork. latoyia: thank you for the question and we will pause right there and take a quick break because we are just getting started. let's take a live look from our green room. we have some standing by for our postdebate show that is streaming live on our mobile app in our sister system. cori will join her and we will be back with the governor's race in the first debate in -- and the first debate in 60 seconds. ♪ latoyia: welcome back to nbc 10 boston, the governor's race in the first debate. viewers have sent in nearly 200
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questions and many set our country is divided especially when it comes to overturning roe v. wade. despite being antiabortion, you have said he won't protect abortion rights in massachusetts but where do you stand on a federal abortion ban which many republican governors are promoting? mr. diehl: i appreciated the supreme court overturned roe v. wade because i felt that abortion should be a state issue. the law that we have now, the roe v. wade act which was put in place to proceed any dobbs decision, protects any health care choice including abortion. i have a 16-year-old daughter and i understand that is a concern but the other part was bit -- people that were allowed
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not to get medical attention, if they were a failed abortion. he had a problem with that section. -- the removal of that section. latoyia: a 32nd rebuttal. --30 second rebuttal. ms. healey: he wants to define plan pencil -- planned parenthood and jail doctors who provide abortion care. in that time and given the national context, massachusetts needs a governor who will protect a woman's freedom to protect a decision. latoyia: a 15 second rebuttal. mr. diehl: my body my choice in massachusetts, stands for vaccine mandates.
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you don't stand up for people who were fired because they were forced to get a vaccine if they developed a natural immunity or underlying health care problems. ms. healey: what is shameful is some talk about freedom except when it applies to women. latoyia: we want to stay with this topic. we know you are in favor of shape -- strengthening rights when it comes to reproductive health and are you in favor or taxpayers to get -- legal in their home state? mr. diehl: we need to do -- ms. healey: we need to do everything we can to protect patients and providers and that is what i saw to do, rather than celebrating roe v. wade's overturning, i went to work. we have an important law in place that will provide those protections for patients and providers and we also have to recognize that we have so many
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people starting to come in from other states who as we speak, they may be survivors of rape or incest and they are not able to access abortion and we need to be prepared for that and i will work with public health officials and work to make sure we are doing that. mr. diehl: she keeps talking about trying to criminalize abortions and what i wanted to do is protect those innocent lives were born from a failed abortion to get medical attention. what removal of 12p of section 112 just makes it so doctors don't have to do that. the legislator overrode that and my job as governor is to present women with health care choices. . ms. healey: my mom goes to mass and she is a school nurse and
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educator and i will tell you that i find a lot of that rhetoric insulting. it is from the playbook of the antichoice movement and it is a struggle for women -- latoyia: final word on this. ms. healey: my parents -- mr. diehl: when i was born, my parents were not married and they made a choice at the time. roe v. wade was not the law and they had me so that shapes my view on abortion. my personal view on abortion is not what i do as governor. my job is to work within the boundaries of the legislator and the law states that. some times you need to set your personal opinion aside for the good of the state. latoyia: more questions about the opioid crisis. grace: last year, we lost more
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than 2200 people across the state to overdoses and making it the deadliest year on record. ms. healey, you will -- we will start with you. what is your plan to attack the crisis? ms. healey: i come to this with so many stories from people around this commonwealth and i think my friend corey, who i met when i got elected and he was a high school athlete and was addicted to opioid and suffered a brain injury and i think about my friend cheryl who lost two sons to the opioid epidemic. we need to continue to invest in resources for substance abuse disorder and invest in housing, not just short-term housing but long-term housing. we need to support law enforcement to crack down on the trafficking of fentanyl and other synthetics and i was proud
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of being the attorney general who sued purdue. we went after opioid manufacturers and that is put towards education and harm reduction. i will do that as governor because those stories of those families are with the everyday. grace: the same question for you. what is your plan to attack the oer crisis? --opioid crisis? mr. diehl: last year -- it is something on day one i want to tackle and wonder things we need to do is push expanded mental health services into the suburbs. i was meeting with the mayor of lawrence talking about a break second -- daybreak shelter and talking about the fact he said, i am willing to help but we need to make suburban towns on the opioid addiction and down where i live, a group was one of the
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pioneers in trying to make sure we have drop in centers with health care officials -- professionals to make sure we gave people the resources we needed and this was 10 years ago when the statement was wearing off. -- statement was wearing off. -- stigma was wearing off. i want to make sure that those people get the help they need closer to their families and work. latoyia: let's talk education and a recent result shows that after two years of covid, all students struggled but along low income elementary and middle schoolers, 80% are not meeting expectations in math. what will you do to not only address disparities but make
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sure children get caught up? ms. healey: massachusetts is home to the first public school in the country and we need to do everything we can to support our young people who have experienced tremendous loss and we do see that gaps in math skills and reading skills. we need to make sure that we are there doing everything we can to put -- support students. modernize our schools. make sure that we are providing wraparound services in our schools, particularly for mental health and the number of young people experiencing increased anxiety and depression, read to -- we need to address that and i will do that. latoyia: you have a 32nd rebuttal -- a 32nd rebuttal -- 30 second rebuttal. mr. diehl: people are mad about
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the curriculum being presented. my daughter had to watch a video on implicit bias. i think that does us a disservice and to the minority groups that say you won't be better because you are white -- are not white. we are seeing doubling of homeschooling and i want to give parents that choice to be able to send kids where they think they should go and i get indoctrinated but get educated. latoyia: you said it does it a disservice to her, too? how does it do a disservice to her? mr. diehl: we are trying to get rid of racism in our classrooms and households and that says what, she is benefiting from her race. latoyia: schools are struggling
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to fill critical positions. what actions were -- will you take to recruit staff? mr. diehl: this goes back to the mandates where a lot of people were forced other jobs and we are seeing problems recruiting. school bus drivers, we have the national guard that are driving school buses because we can't get enough people so we need to make sure that people are not being forced to get a health care treatment and we have seen vaccinations and boosters don't protect you the way people promised. we need to make sure schools are fully funded and they can afford to pay for busing and the regional busing we have to do to get transportation. i will make sure we have an economy that can support that. latoyia: you have faced -- a 30 second rebuttal. ms. healey: my mom was a
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educator and my stepdad was a coach. we all went to public schools and i am grateful for the role my parents played. for some kids, they don't have supportive parents and i will be a governor who looks out for them. i will look out and address disparities that exist every child -- where every child in the state regardless of their ethnicity or zip code, they should have access to high-quality education. latoyia: let's bring in corey smith. corey: we will stick with education. this question is for both of you. in massachusetts, 91% of teachers are white and most students of color do not have someone at the front of the classroom who looks like them. is this a problem and what will your administration due to increased diversity? mr. diehl: it is important for
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kids to feel comparable in who their educators are. if we can't recruit, we have to figure out ways to recruit people and we are having issues hiring a general to make sure that we have teachers -- we have to make sure that when schools are looking at who they are hiring, they are thinking about the community as well but my plan for school choice allows parents and kids to look beyond public schools and if there is a private school, they can go there. if they have a homeschool, that is fine too. that is a solution that helps the free market principles for education where the best product and service and what the consumers want. parents and kids will get what they want by having the choice corey:. same question. 91% of teachers are white and is that a bad thing?
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ms. healey: the study showed that for students of color, they will perform better at that. -- if there is a educator of color in their school and the numbers aren't where they need to be so we need to recruit and train more educators of color. my appointment -- opponents education plan, he wants to ban books and require any time eight child wants to go to a public library, they have to get a permission slip. we have been about education and that is not the direction we need to go. we need support for our students and we need support in the classroom with the abcs and math and engineering and mental health and wellness and that is something i will focus on as governor. for a person who does not want to find public education and
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health care which is mental health, it is really rich. mr. diehl: it is not about removing books from libraries. it is about allowing parents to have a say on what it -- is in the schools. we have parents that have concerns with some materials that are being presented and some parents go to school boy -- school board meetings and school boards have shut them down and not let them speak so my plan is to let parents have a say in the cloakroom -- curriculum. latoyia: we are getting tight on time. let's will want to climate change with allison king. allison: you have endorsed progressive leaders in massachusetts were calling for both structural change when it comes -- bold structural change
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when it comes to climate change including aspects of the green new deal. which you do the same -- what you do the same? ms. healey: climate poses a real challenge. i want to create a climate quarter that stretches the breath of this state that ties together the technology and innovation and manufacturing happening down when it comes to a clean energy economy. we can create thousands of great jobs in doing that and address climate needs and i am so intentional about this that i will put someone at the top who will make sure that we are driving a climate agenda through our -- economic development and it is absolutely imperative and it is an economic windfall for us. allison: is there anything about the green new deal that goes too far? mr. diehl: i am not -- ms. healey: i am not familiar with
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all aspects but my plan is to have a diverse portfolio. one of the reasons where -- why we are where we are is because we have been held hostage by the fossil fuel energy -- industry. i supported many of the moves of the baker administration and of the legislator and we need to continue on that path. our economic well-being in our state competitive -- and our state competitiveness is determined on this. mr. diehl: i am for renewable energies but the pace in which maura healey wants to do this will bankrupt the state. it will hurt our economy. you cannot produce enough electric energy from the renewable sources, wind and solar and no one is talking about the ecological damage of putting turbines in oceans and disturbing be fishing grounds and putting plastic solar panels
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on agricultural farms and what will happen in the soil. we are racing towards a solution that isn't going to produce the energy we need for massachusetts in the timeframe she wants. by 2030, no fossil fuels? no way. allison: governor baker signed a massive climate inked clean energy bill that will bring the stay closer to net zero greenhouse emissions by 2030. would you have signed that legislation and do you think climate change is a big challenge that we face? mr. diehl: until we can see how we can produce the energy and there are -- allison: would you have signed the bill? mr. diehl: i don't think i can comment on it but mike -- if my goal is to be carbon free by 2050, i am not sure that is possible.
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trying to make sure taxpayers absorb the costs, that's not good because it is affecting rate payers. someone said to me think charlie baker foggy all in deep -- r&d costs that you are absorbing in massachusetts. we are taking the brunt of the cost for developing renewables and we need to negotiate the energy costs. allison: you have a 30 second rebuttal. ms. healey: in massachusetts, we have more solutions because we have done the work and i would support and signed the same legislation governor baker has
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signed. i will continue to work on efforts to diversify our folio to reign in costs and -- we will have to work as the region -- a region. latoyia: for both of you, medical experts are anticipating a dark letter -- winter when it comes to covert and the flu. what is your plan when it comes to a major covid surge? ms. healey: you will find -- we will follow the signs and the data. -- science and the data and it is important that we do everything we can to keep kids in schools and keep businesses going and to keep the economy functioning. latoyia: if we see a surgeon, mask or no --surge, mask or no
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mask? ms. healey: it depends on the time. we need to follow the data. latoyia: what is your plan if there is another major covid surge? mr. diehl: everyone tried to lock down and try to slow the spread. i am not anti-vaccine but will we need to do is look at the sign. pfizer admitted that they didn't test for -- this vision through their covid vaccination so the fact is that science hasn't proven that the vaccines actually stop people from getting it. you have the vaccine one and vaccine two. you have boosters and you were still getting covid so we want to make sure we don't do drastic things like shutting down businesses like big boxes. --big box stores.
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enhanced unemployment was given to people and it was hard to get them to come back and when they did, we saw the pandemic recovery money from the federal government, most of it was used for pet projects. for the next pandemic, if it happens, we should think about the impact of businesses. latoyia: ms. healey, i see you want to jump in. ms. healey: once again, my opponents for choice in health care except when it -- and health care except when it comes to women. i worked with small businesses that went through a lot. i heart goes out to those who lost loved ones and might angst, gratitude -- my thanks, gratitude to the first responders. it is why i want to be governor
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because i believe in the people in the state. i am not a anti-vaxxer and i will follow the signs but -- latoyia: we have some quick response questions for the candidates. keep it brief. it is quick responses. what letter grade would you give governor baker's job performance. --? ms. healey: -- mr. diehl:b. ms. healey: governor baker has done a good job. latoyia: hey b or c --a, b, c? ms. healey: he has done a good job. there will be a lot of challenges. i know it and i hear it every
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day. affordability issues at the top but i look forward to meeting those. mr. diehl: name something about being governor that you are not looking forward to. latoyia: what i am not -- mr. diehl: i spent a lot of time with my 10 years with my daughters and they understand what i want to do and they believe in the mission. latoyia: thank you so much. thank you both and we have reached the end of tonight's the -- debate and you have 60 seconds to tell voters why you should be the next governor of massachusetts. according tossed -- a coin cost -- toss -- mr. diehl: to the voters out there, thank you for allowing me to get to this point and i had a lot of support. i won the primaries and i am the nominee for the republican side but my job is not done. we have to get to november 8 to
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get to the election so i am asking for your support because i will provide a clear difference between right components and myself when it comes to leadership for the state. she believes the government will be the solution for everything and i believe economic freedom and trying to make sure you can choose with your money and medical freedom, you can decide what happens with your health care choices and making sure that educational freedom, parents and kids can choose the path they want going forward to be a success so you can live here and i have to leave. latoyia: ms. healey, you have 60 seconds. ms. healey: i am privileged to be the attorney general and i am honored to be a governor and i come to this because i believe in the people and so much is possible if we work together. i was a fastball player and a point guard, and it is not about the point scores, it is about the assists and people working together and that is what we need to do, especially when we
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looked at the country were too many are looking to divide. i want to be a governor who is delivering for people and i will do that because i will work with the local and state and federal level. i will work with people inside and outside the governor -- government and i will work to improve educational job training and creating great jobs and cut taxes and always protect reproductive freedom and a woman's choice. my opponent is donald trump's choice for governor and i would be honored to be yours. latoyia: thank you so much for your time this evening and that is all wrapped. --a wrap. we want to thank our candidates and analysts and all of you. there is so much more coming up here on our sister station and on our streaming platforms.
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we have our political commentator as well as corey smith doing double duty. he's going to leave right now and head down to the green room. here's a live look for you where we see our pundits are standing by. they have their opinions, we will find out about them coming up. also, you can check them out on our website. thanks again for joining us. have a beautiful night. don't forget to vote for the next governor of massachusetts >> c-span campaign 2022 coverage
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burnham shares her book my hands now known which examines the racial violence experience in the south and the legal system that supported it. >> we are not arguing that this was -- but we are focusing on the south because that is where the violence was concentrated and also, that is where people would disenfranchise. so there was no real ability to accept the political realities -- because they had no choice, no judges, they had no police officers. so they were exposed completely exposed not only to the violence in the hands of law enforcement also at the hands of groups and positions of authority that thought their role was enforcing those norms. >> her book my hands now

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