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>> chuck schumer debated his republican challenger in the new york 2022 senate race. the nonpartisan cook political report ranked at solid democrat. this is an hour. ♪ >> good evening and welcome. i am susan. >> we are coming to live from union college, you can watch the

debate on the special news app and in my one.com. >> early voting is underway, voters had to the polls, the race for governor will be at the top of the ticket but new yorkers will also be voting for the next sender. over the next hour, you would hear from the two candidates running to represent new yorkers. >> with us tonight, charles schumer. although with us, a business consultant and anchor at the conservative channel newsmax. >> these are the rules. each candidate has 60 seconds to respond to questions and given the opportunity to respond if they are addressed by their opponent. we will have a cross-examination where each candidate will be able to ask their opponent a question. >> wheat encourage you to join

online. opening statements were determined by random drawing. sen. schumer: nice to meet you. i want to thank errol, susan. i look forward to it. in the last two years under my leadership, the senate has had the most productive session in decades. for example, people would decry new york sent more money than washington. i'm fighting for everyday new yorkers. for the first time in a very long time, they have to negotiate with medicare. we passed take -- air

conditioning prices, they go to $800. we took on the nra for the first time in 30 years past successful gun safety legislation. my dad was an exterminator, my mom was a housewife. i know the middle class. if you elect me, i promise to reduce -- produce the same results in the next term. mr. pinion: it is great to be here. i am the republican nominee for u.s. senate. there it is. the legend of charles schumer. it's a great one, but i think it's time to do some myth busting. he is an exceptional politician, one of the best that has ever lived. he has failed the people of the state on multiple occasions.

i refer to this as a david versus goliath, perhaps that is correct. senator schumer has a difficult time seeing what is in front of our faces. the exterminators like his father have a hard time making ends meet. the farmers, family farms, difficult time making ends meet. a 41 year for inflation that is crippling all people, seniors like my mother are terrified by the mailman. this is not a legacy of success. >> we are going to start with the economy tonight, i'm her first question goes to both of you. inflation has reached record highs.

would you share ways in which you plan to provide relief should you win this race? sen. schumer: we provided relief on prescription drug costs. we will get down electric bills and heating costs with energy. one of the things that has created inflation is a supply bottleneck so you cannot get anything. we are dealing with supply bottleneck very successfully. we just past the chip stocks, chips are needed for almost everything. cars, appliances, they go way up. when there is no fight between democrats and republicans, it does not get reported. shifts were backlogged, we

passed a law that allowed the price to go down. >> thank, same question. two ways you would directly address inflation if you are elected. mr. pinion: let's be clear. which stop lying to people. inflation did not happen overnight, it can't be fixed overnight. covid do not cause inflation, the response caused inflation. predictive money, $6 trillion to deal with the virus of a foreign origin and we have yet to hold them accountable. the chips act has few provisions to make sure we have the raw minerals required to ensure chips can get made. the world's largest steakhouse

with no reliable supply of peace. an expensive joke at the expense of people desperately in need of jobs. as far as we can do, we can stop printing money recklessly, a middle out economy, economic growth that is sustainable. not band-aid solutions that are failed, tired. >> mr. schumer, did you want to respond? >> we are reducing the deficit. under donald trump, the deficit went way up. under the first two years, the deficit is going down $300 billion. and, in addition, we said in the inflation reduction act, for every dollar we spend, a dollar goes to inflation reduction.

mr. pinion: quickly. yes, you can talk about the inflation reduction act. it's going to explode, not reducing nation. certainly, you can talk about the work you have done in a vacuum, but we all know we send people home and that did very little to bring the deficit down. it's going down because we were forced to spend so much money. context is everything. we have to be honest about why jobs are going up in the deficit is going down. it's because we send people home. >> we will continue on this topic. mr. schumer, why did do you not pass a bill that would directly address inflation immediately?

sen. schumer: starting this year, the most people will plug is $2000. we got the president, i had to question hard to reduce the cost of student loans so $10,000 for every student, pell grant students, they won't have that burden. unlike republicans, we passed stock buybacks that can also help us reduce inflation. >> republicans are promising to cut taxes, they want to extend trump tax cuts permanently, something the nonpartisan congressional budget office says is unlikely to bring down

inflation and will increase the federal deficit by $1 billion. to pay for these cuts, bloomberg is reporting house republicans are supporting changes to social security and medicare. do you support this proposal? mr. pinion: let's be clear. i am not here to be a rubberstamp or a token boat. if they are talking about what needs to be done, we need to protect social security, honor the promises that were made. if we need tax cuts, they should be more robust. if we're going to sit here and talk about the chips act, we have to be honest and all of

these outcomes are theoretical. the american people are hurting. people are down $4000. at the end of the day, people can believe their own eyes, their own bank account, not a mirage. >> would you support that strategy? mr. pinion: we need a wholesale departure. we need to redo the tax code. >> i want to talk about the outbreak of lyrical violence. the recent home invasion of

nancy pelosi. sen. schumer: my heart goes out to paul poulos again nancy pelosi. looks like he will have a full recovery. there have been many more threats against elected officials, that has been documented. we have to calm the rhetoric down, and make sure we treat each other with respect and condemn the violence whenever it occurs. >> critics say it's at least in part a consequence of fighting words and the combative tone. as a former broadcaster, do you think the media can lower the temperature?

mr. pinion: there is a greater responsibility that must be shared by the media. there is only one person on the stage that delivered rhetoric to kill a supreme court justice. we can talk about institutions, whether anything changes. he has been in d.c. for 42 years, his chief tool in politics is division. we are here to unite this nation until the untold story of pain and suffering, issues like what we talk about, children living in poverty. the crime that has gripped the state. 12 cities had all-time highs for homicides. that is part of the lack of

accountability for the lawlessness all across this country because our leaders have not taken the scourge seriously. sen. schumer: the bottom line is, we have to deal with violence, rhetoric, i would say one of the people is former president trump. we all have to calm it down. you compare the rhetoric of donald trump to joe biden, it's not close. mr. pinion: respectfully, joe biden is not running, joe biden -- donald trump is not running. do you apologize to justice kavanaugh? >> do you want to respond? sen. schumer: the bottom line is, i have never advocated violence in any way, never have,

never do, never will. the words i used were probably the wrong choice of words and i said that them and say it now. >> you call former president trump a distraction and the january 6 attack on the capital remains the largest federal investigation in american history. a congressional investigation not yet included. kim the former president mr. pinion:mr. pinion: -- i said he was a distraction as for the choice for new york and united states senate. if you want to talk about january 6, i have said at the time and every day since then, any person who uses the flag to break last should be held accountable. what you listed off is what accountability looks like. on that fateful day, those

horrific scenes, we have politics, and the solution is to inject more politics into the wildfire. if we're going to change america and have less division, follow in the words of lincoln that were quoted that his whole soul must be in selecting leaders that will stop using rhetoric of hate to keep the people divided. >> let me move on to a related question. as of now, the dnc has taken no steps in advance of the 2024 election, suggesting a reelection bid was a foregone conclusion. do you think president biden should run for reelection? sen. schumer: i believe that

decision to have, i will support him. >> between the january charges donald trump faces, do you think donald trump should run and if he does, what you support and customer mr. pinion: people do what is best for him and his family. any person that takes the scourge of our lifetime, the greatest of a rights issue, the education of our youth. we have jim crow education in new york. public schools are more segregated today. 60% of children are not reading at grade level. 70% of students failed the math exam. if you expand beyond borders, students in baltimore read at an elementary school level. what future do they have?

if leaders do not treat this issue with the seriousness it deserves, we need school choice. chuck schumer has been preventing us from school choice. as i said, president trump will do what he wants to do. if president trump is running and that is something he is going to do for himself, i would entertain that. at the end of the day, he is not running, -- >> we are moving onto covid. covid cases continue to rise as we had to winter in several -- under what circumstances which are oriented to mass mandate and other measures? mr. pinion: there is no silver

bullet, no unilateral case. we are no mother in a pandemic, we're in an end, face. there should not be -- we are in an endemic phase. there should not be mask mandates. we were trying to crush the curve, we did not have herd immunity. fast-forward to today, 50% of people who called this nation home have been vaccinated or exposed, many more have been boosted. at this juncture, trying to retrofit a 2023 america with 2020 ideas on how we fight the virus is probably a bad way to go about dealing with something that we have so much more knowledge today than back then. >> should covid vaccines be part of the mandatory vaccines for children? mr. pinion: absolutely not. when we have the vaccine put out, the masks, we knew that we

were trying to mask children for the production of teachers who were most vulnerable, the teachers have now been vaccinated. many were fired if they chose not to be. the notion that the medical community has done a great disservice by not being straightforward about the science and method we are following, i do not believe children should be vaccinated. parents deserve that right. >> same question. under what circumstances would you reinstitute mask mandates? sen. schumer: i would leave it up to the medical experts. they know the best of everybody. the medical experts have been much more accurate about what we should do done others. let's go back to 2020. donald trump ignored covid altogether, ignore the medical experts. he said it will go away into

weeks. i was early on this because i listened to the experts and in january of 2020 before covid hit when it was in china, i called on the president to create a national emergency and covid was already raging. the failure of politicians to listen to medical experts will always result in trouble. i defer to the medical experts on these issues. >> same follow-up, should covid vaccines be part of the mandatory vaccines for children? sen. schumer: we have always had mandatory vaccines. this is a new illness. it doesn't have a track record. i would leave it up to the medical experts. >> follow-up. in an interview tonight, you indicated china is to blame for

the covid virus in the u.s. has yet to hold that nation accountable. do you still blame china for the covid virus, and if so, how would you want to see the u.s. hold that nation accountable? mr. pinion: of course. let's be clear, it's not my opinion. the department of homeland security has said china hid the extent of the virus and then ported supplies while we were trying to figure out what was going on. yes, they should be held accountable for deaths, the pain-and-suffering of so many families like my own. we lost my grandmother. there is a great deal -- it has to start with the nation that help information where we could have saved countless lives and cap his pain, yes, if you want

to talk about holding them accountable, send them a price tag and asked where the check is. if you're going to talk about financial sanctions, we can talk about those. perhaps that's the type of thing we want to include in a climate bill because any climate bill does not hold foreign nations accountable is probably as with this as the paper it is written on. >> it's time for the cross-examination round. each will have a chance to ask her upon a question. -- your opponent a question. sen. schumer: we have seen the damage that assault weapons does in our communities. in buffalo, the 18-year-old was able to buy an assault weapon and kill 10 people. i was there. i spoke to a three-year-old boy. it'll make that -- he told me

they were going to get a birthday gift and never saw his dad again. i worked to assault weapons. as a congressman, i passed a law that banned that. unfortunately, because of many on the republican side, we could only get a 10 year ban. when the republicans took over, they let the band slide. would you join me in saying we should ban also weapons? mr. pinion: no. here's the issue. at the end of the day, we have to be passing laws that save lives. the problem is, chuck schumer has been passing laws that do nothing they are intending to do. he wants to talk about gun laws, how do we get the guns out of the hands of middles? new york city, not a single person with a concealed carry permit that has committed, chicago -- rochester, and higher

murder rate than chicago, illinois. no murder rates have been committed with illegal guns. -- legal guns. when do the illegal guns fall off the truck and become illegal guns? who are the individuals, the small actors were allowing this violence to -- who are the actors who are allowing this violence to continue? you continue to prioritize the politics back into into power over the humidity for the people and passing laws that keep people safe. >> your turn to ask a question? >> a few issues we have not talked about, we have poverty unchecked in this state, one out of three black children live in poverty. we have crime, homicide went up 30%, we have schools were failing to teach our children how to read. when did becoming the senator majority leader mean more than

standing up for new yorkers? >> take poverty, we passed the child tax credit under my leadership. we got no republican support. it took half as a children in america and new york close to half out of poverty. we wanted to renew it. we wanted to renew it. our colleagues stood in the way. let us renew that child tax credit. let us make it permanent. in terms of funding our schools, i make sure that the funding formulas go to find inner-city schools above other wealthy suburban school districts. we have provided in the bipartisan infrastructure bill $15 billion to help orchids get broadband. how will you learn in school if you do not have broadband when you cannot be on a computer? we have provided funding for school lunches and increases school lunches and breakfast.

up and down the line we have been working to get this done. every one of these things with the exception of the broadband was opposed by the party you are a part of and associate with. >> i have to clear up points. he is talking about money that is spent. in my lifetime, every decade we have spent more money educating less children for worse results. you spend money. the senate always passes bills and spends things. aren't you tired of nibbling around the issue? >> we start with climate change. the transition to a fossil fuel economy will cost thousands of dollars of displaced workers. >> transition from or to?

>> transition from a fossil fuel economy will cost thousands of dollars, do you believe in a carbon tax to help with because of the transition and how to ensure that workers who are displaced or quickly retained and rehired by the renewable energy industry? >> we have to do with the environment. the question is off base. we have to deal with foreign polluters. 87% of the emissions we are trying to curb is emitted from beyond our borders. everything that china makes from the t-shirts that are sewn together by the uighurs with cotton that was picked by children. it is baked into the pollution. the cheap goods that they have been flooding this country with has to be dealt with. we come up with slogans that have no substance. we want to be carbon neutral. you cannot be carbon neutral without natural gas, you cannot carbon neutral and talk about a

nuclear deal or the paris climate accord deal without dealing with the fact that they get 87% or close to that of their energy from nuclear. we need real solutions. that is not the type of thing happening in d.c.. it is the nonpartisan approach i've taken as a spokesperson for -- >> your antinuclear? >> i think we need nuclear. individuals want to be carbon neutral by then they say nuclear must be off the table. >> are you pro carbon tax? >> we need to start taxing the pollution from beyond our borders. there are other conversations to be had. >> we will ask the same question to mr. schumer. >> i am so proud of the inflation reduction act which is more -- is more than

curbing global warming. one of the good things about it is the huge numbers of good paying jobs because of the tax breaks to produce wind energy, solar energy, water energy, that is included in the bill is a tax break for nuclear energy. it is not my favorite but it is carbon neutral. it will create millions of good paying jobs and these are jobs for the future. global warming is coming. this is the best thing that could have been done for climate and it will reduce 40% reduction of the carbon going into our atmosphere by 2030. that is stronger than new york. i am proud of what we have done and i believe we will create many tens of thousands of new jobs. >> can i get a quick response on the carbon tax? >> is something i would

consider, it has to be worked out, it does not have the majority of support. we did have majority support and my number one job is to get things done. we got something very real and very significant done. >> it is real money. it did not help anyone today. if you are talking about when he's to happen, it is not serious about solving the problems -- if you are talking about this, it is not serious about solving the problems. nothing we are doing here is going to be able to solve the problem. you talk about these jobs that will create, i want the best wind turbines in the world to be made in america. i want the best solar panels to be made in america. all of the money you are spending right here thinks of that electricity is a source of energy. all of these people who do not have the robust power from a nuclear plant or natural gas are

using dirty coal to power their teslas. that is a bad way to fix the economy. >> this bill helped the whole world. why did it? when donald trump pulled out of the power of the court, all of the other countries china included said we will not do anything. the u.s. is not doing anything, we will not do anything. when we passed the bill i got calls not only from john kerry, our ambassador but from foreign country leaders who said thank god the u.s. is taking the lead. we will follow. >> he was found guilty in a paris courtroom for breaking the terms of the pirates climate accord -- paris climate accord. nothing happened. no one was required to do what was written down on paper. we need real solutions. i do not care what your issue is.

crime, you do not want to talk about it, we have not talked about the border. we need real solutions that are going to improve people's quality of life. the quality of life is undefined because of the failure of your leadership. >> let us move on to foreign relations. the pentagon announced more than $1 million in aid to ukraine bringing the total to $16 billion is russia invaded that country in february. a number of leaders, met kevin mccarthy promise that if the republicans took control of the house they would make it more difficult for president biden to send more aid to ukraine. do you agree with our position why or why not? >> we need a plan. the people of ukraine need help but there has to be a long plan. part of the plan should have been presenting the -- preventing the crisis. schumer prevented us from having preventive sanctions and i have prevented the tanks. that is the opinion of the

president of ukraine. if you look at what has happened from russia hacking off fuel supply, russia hacking or supply. we have done nothing. chuck schumer has said nothing to prevent these attacks on the u.s. homelands. that is why vladimir putin is over there with the kremlin and felt empowered. yes, we should help ukraine but more importantly we need to have a plan for the money. if we do not, it is wasteful to the people of ukraine, harmful to people in america, including people all across new york city living in public housing for who we are posting $40 billion behind in repairs that have not occurred and has not had any real investigation by the senator who loves to talk about investigations. we need to help them, if we are not going to help them, we see money on a plan that does not exist and it is disrespectful to the people.

>> if you are successful artist 180 and you get a request from the president for more aid to ukraine, what kind of conditions would you want to see on it? how would that go? >> i will ask for a plan. not just a military plan, a strategic plan. russia now has the power to turn off the lights on the people in europe because of their dependence on russian energy. what is the plan to make sure that i not happen in the past? if we needed to have more liquid natural gas tankers that our disposal, the ship manufacturing here in he was one of the water -- here in the u.s. was underwater. we have to ensure that russia did not have the leverage to do those things. we need to make sure that we can create an elizabeth new jersey were people in europe may be able to make sure that they do not freeze to death. that is the strategic approach that the u.s. senate should be

taking. none of this has happened with chuck schumer. he talks about these band-aid solutions. your job is to solve the problem. not to have a press conference when we have a crisis. >> you will get another request for aid? what happens? >> i am all for it. i have let the senate do give ukraine what they need. ukrainian people are brave and they are bold, and they are strong and they are not asking for our troops. they are asking for the artillery and air and drones and other things that they need to defend themselves and it has been a remarkable success. i'm amazed my opponent cannot admit that. they have pushed the russians back dramatically. they have put putin on the defensive. you know what we would have done it we had not done anything? putin would have rolled into ukraine. he is a brutal dictator. he would have been in the

central asian republics, it would have been the baltic republics, it could have been poland, romania, eastern european countries. it is a restoration of the ussr. this is a strong faction, i give the president credit and the senate credit and the american people and mr. zelensky are strongly behind what we are doing. >> let us be clear the only person who is trying to stopping this is you. you prevented sanctions against russia. 55 members of the united state senate voted to let it happen. you did not whip the vote to make sure it happened. you brought home the bacon but these are empty considering the dead ukrainians. after the end of the day we needed real solutions and to deal with the facts about the ukrainian people need a plan if there is no plan, we are asking and not engaging in good faith.

>> how should the u.s. respond if russia uses technical nuclear weapons against ukraine? >> avoid them from using. how do we do that? we can let the russians know the price it will pay if they use a tactical military weapon. there is a whole lot more we can do. most of this should not be done publicly. you do not want to have people lose faith in what we have to say to the russians. some of the things i know i am allowed to not talk about, they are classified. if you dare use it you will suffer greatly, that will deter putin in recent weeks he said he said he may use a nuclear weapon but then he was forced to back off. he said no, i will not use it. >> let us be clear. the senate majority leader decided to play russian roulette with the russians like they did

not invent the game and he lost. when you talk about what needs to happen here, that is funny because it is also the president said when he believed that vladimir putin did not know about the hacking of our fuel supply, 45% of the field to the eastern seaboard was shut down and the gas station in virginia was out of gas because of russian hackers. as if you could pack the russian fuel supply, without knowing that the kremlin knows what is happening? this type of notion were we leave it to beaver because we think putin is getting the message has not gotten the message when he is not attacking the u.s. homeland and -- >> we are going to move on to our next topic which is abortion and the first question goes to you. should women have the legal right to have an abortion? >> they have the right to have an abortion, it has been codified into law before roe v. wade was passed. >> do you believe that women in new york should have the legal right to have an abortion.

>> i'm asking nationally -- >> that is the law of the land in the state of new york. when we have these conversations, we are not talking about the fentanyl that is killing people, northern regions, the north country, we are here talking about an issue that is settled law in new york state amongst people who are running for federal office. we should stop lying to women. we should stop -- >> do you oppose the national ban on abortion? >> i do not support a national ban because the supreme court said it was a matter reserved for the state. we should have less patience for politician to use their purse to pack legislation that violates the law. they do it. chuck schumer will say whatever he is going to say. lindsey graham is going to say whatever they are going to say. they will die for the headline and the vote -- lie for the

headline and the vote. >> a child can get an abortion without parental notification but cannot get an aspirin at the school nurse without consent from parents. >> you see my opponent does not want to answer the question, lindsey graham and a large number of the senators he will ally with say they want a national ban, a national ban. if people do not want a national ban which would overrule new york's law. they have to elect democrats to the senate. we want to preserve a woman's right to choose with roe. and all of his protections if you elect republican senators who will face a national abortion ban. i understand it is unpopular but my opponent does not want to speak clearly to it. as for your question, i support roe and all of the protections

that have been written into it. that was the law before the supreme court decision. that should continue to be the law. >> if you support any restrictions or parental notification regarding minors the answer is no? >> there are restrictions in row. the law has allowed parental consent for children, young people who would be afraid to tell their parents and be faced with the back alley abortions we have seen in the past. >> just to be clear, he also is not wanting to answer the question. he likes to talk about answering the question the way that it likes to be answered when it is convenient for him. i want to reiterate mitch mcconnell did not send me here. i am not an 82-year-old white man from kentucky. i want to have a conversation about the fact that our black children are not reading at grade level. unfortunately, when you are asking about what happens in d.c. you have people who think

that we are rubberstamped based on the number next to our name. there is only one person on this day to has received $80,000 from their family and one person who has given money to mitch mcconnell that is also you. >> let me move on to a related question. the supreme court, most of the justices who voted to overturn roe v. wade had said during confirmation hearings that they considered abortion rights to be settled law that should be respected and exempted after which they struck down the law at the first opportunity. since the statement of the supreme court nominees are made under oath, should they be facing consequences? >> the best thing to do to do with these horrible justices, these justices are so far away from where the american people are on the issue of choice, concealed carry, they have said and struck down a law that said

our police could be notified when someone was concealing their gun. so in south carolina can get a good no question asked. they can endanger the safety of our citizens and police. the coal plants they said should be not be regulated. this is what do we do about that matter? the best thing we can do is we have done in the senate majority. we have been putting in 83 judges in the circuit courts and the district court who will counterbalance these horrible maga judges. they represent america. two thirds of women, we hardly had women justices in the past. we included ketanji brown jackson, the first african-american justice and she will be able to be counterbalance to these people. that is the best thing she can do. they have even set a record for how many judges we have put on the bench.

. in district court's that is very important. >> thank you. >> if judges come in and they say we think it is settled law and then act differently, should they be held accountable for that? >> from my perspective, judges and tourists have to trust that they will make decisions based on the facts and the letter of the law that is in front of them. i do not believe you can have any type of litmus test for judges and i do not believe you should have any type of after the fact accountability for what they said during a hearing. i think what we have to talk about is the fact we do not have obama justices are justices, we do not have clinton justices, we just have justices who are doing their best to interpret the law and follow the letter of the law as they see fit. the reality is the reason why senator schumer throws around the word maga although he spent

millions of dollars into elect people as nominees across this country is not because he thinks it is bad, he thinks he has a fair fight with maga and he can win. the problem with this state is that chuck schumer has spent 32 years making promises about what he will do tomorrow. a day away. never trust a man to do tomorrow what he had the power to do yesterday. >> is not about longevity, and is about productivity. i have been more productive as a senator and as majority leader than anybody else. >> you have not gone very far. >> the number of justices on the supreme court changed six times after settling at the total of nine. would you support increasing the

supreme court justices from nine? >> i am looking at what we can do right now and that is to continue to put in these judges who will be even justices like our new supreme court justice who will be counter to this right-wing maga. these are very important things to do now that can actually happen. as for the supreme court, we have to explore the best avenues to deal with the court. i will talk to my caucus about it and in the news the senate i will explore those various paths. we will explore the best path forward. >> explore is code for yes. he is going to appease those aoc's who want to expand the court. i believe we are good and perfect nation -- we are an im

perfect nation made by imperfec t men. we should not be getting rid of the filibuster. we should not be trying to say we will do away with the electoral college. these are the checks on power. the guardrails that defend this country that prevent the senate from becoming a food fight we have had in the house and this particular moment where the flames of division are burning so hot that the notion you would inject our politics into what is the last bastion holding this country together is unconscionable, unemotional -- unimaginable, he should be ashamed. >> people seeking asylum have been sent to new york, also from texas and florida. the cost of housing is estimated to be more than $1 billion. a large part of the issue is due

to the lack of action on immigration. how would you address the problem with elected? >> the mayor of new york city declared the state of emergency for a market crisis, chuck schumer spent two years has been playing with a figment of his imagination. you need a wall, some places to need more boots on the ground. we need to make sure that the asylum process is cleaner, people do not need to go through such a process that is so convoluted. there is accountability for people who come, there are 4 million people who are waiting to come into this country. we do not need to be hiring irs agents, hire more immigration agents to facilitate those 4 million people coming here, many of whom who are joining spices -- spouses. get the job done. i think again when you have less

people, that legal mind will not move, you need more people who are unwilling to swim across the rio grande people are taking their life into their hands pursuing the american dream that they were told by the president to pursue legally. >> the best solution is comprehensive immigration reform. it can be done. senator mccain and i started with four republicans and four democrats and came up with a comprehensive plan to secure the border better than it had been support and presents -- it had been secured ever sense. a pathway through citizenship, there was a pathway. it brought into america the people we need to continue to grow our economy and expand our government. a got 59 votes in the senate has ship got 59 votes in the -- it got 59 votes in the senate.

i want to get this done in light of the fact that there is a drone footage in america, the community is crying out for new people to fill the jobs and i think we can get some great republicans, a number above 10 that we can pass comprehensive immigration reform. that is the only real answer to this problem. >> he has had 42 years to pass comprehensive immigration reform. the reality is on this debate stage and many years ago and said that there is no appetite for solving the immigration crisis until we take the business of securing the border once and for all secure. that is not my opinion. that was the old opinion before we had to worry about the aoc's of the world taking his job and his title. we need to do with the dreamers because they should not be held accountable by this government. that is on the nature of what

america can and should be. we have empty rhetoric that changes based on the political area of the day. >> immigration reform was blocked by republicans and by the way, george bush, h w bush, ragan, there were pro-immigration. the new trump republican party has become anti-immigration. republicans are fed up with that and we could get closer hands of reform. -- comprehensive reform. >> cities are doing with the influx of new arrivals? >> we have to make sure we are not spending money to deal with the flood flooding in before we actually have plug the hole in the dam. we have a humanitarian crisis in broad daylight. we have a drug crisis in broad daylight. the leading cause of death for people in this country is fentanyl overdoses. chuck schumer did not realize we had a fentanyl crisis until the poll numbers started coming down.

he wanted to scare people into voting for him saying that there is fentanyl in the candy. i think at the end of the date we need to focus on the fact that securing the border is not a talking point. it is what is required to cultivate the conversation here at home and required to make sure that we do not have mothers, urban and suburban and rural like. >> what about funding to be sent to new york city to do with the current influx of migrants? >> we need to get money here again, we have a dollar 59 -- $1.59 because of what has happened. he has many more money but we also need better planning. we need better solutions and chuck schumer has not provided them. >> we only have a few minutes left. >> i am working with the mayor to get the federal government to support us and we

expect to see good answers relatively soon. particularly in one aspect of the shelter and food part of it. >> we are coming down the home stretch. quick answers. you introduced a bill called the kennedy administration and opportunity act that would remove candidates from the controlled substance act in empower states to create their own cannabis laws and expunge criminal records of those with low level offenses. it required more than on the impact of cannabis on public safety. shouldn't that happen before sweeping legislation? >> as you know, many states have approved legalization of cannabis and decriminalization of cannabis. doing the research is very important to do. we were getting close, i'm working in a bipartisan way with democrats and republicans to take the safe banking act which allows cannabis and financial institutions involve themselves in cannabis companies and lend

money to them. it also does some things for justice such as expunging a record. it is 15-year-old kids who are caught with small amounts of marijuana and got a sentence that was the same as having a whole lot of heroin and selling it. his life was ruined. expunging the records are important and we make it something done rather soon. i'm working with a bunch of republican and democratic senators to get something passed. >> based on your years working at a health center in the south bronx i wonder if you believe marijuana should be removed from the controlled substance act? >> we need to deal with the fact we are not talking about your mom and dad's dope. you bring up a good point, the notion we would release it on the citizenry at the federal level but we have done the due diligence seems reckless and irresponsible. yes, i think there has to be something done. i think in light of the fentanyl

crisis that chuck schumer invited here we have people who are trying to smoke marijuana and are going to drop dead. we have firemen who walk into buildings who put out the flame and come out and dropping from fentanyl intoxication. there are unintended consequences a threat that runs in between all of this from the border crisis to even this conversation about marijuana because chuck schumer has not taken the business of securing our border and people are dying. in the event we go down this path at the federal level we should do so in a manner that recognizes these decisions have dire consequences and that people are actually dying in some cases because of this. >> we will continue this conversation about as opioid epidemic. you have traveled, your promised billions in new funding to address the opioid overdose epidemic. the fentanyl epidemic as well. how will we make that happen? >> this is the difference between my opponent and me. he was a pundit, we get a lot of

punditry. a lot of verbiage but no real solutions. not only have i proposed real solutions i have passed them. in the bill, the bill that passed a year ago in january, we had $5 billion bill after the opioid crisis. in the gun bill we passed we had $14 billion for mental health problems that are often related to the opioid crisis. we desperately need this money. in buffalo man started crying, his son had gotten back from iraq iraq and had ptsd and he became addicted to opioids. as kid was finally willing to go for treatment and he went to all of the centers in western new york, 23 weeks later, he was that she had killed himself in the 22nd week -- he had killed

himself in the 22nd week. i am productive. >> thank you. >> same question. how will you do with the opioid epidemic? >>. exceptional politician felt a senator, he talks about the dead child again, always using dead children for sympathy and votes. he has been there for 42 years, if you wanted to make sure there was equity, equity is what remains of people in the county do not need to wait that long and we have been waiting that long for a long time. before the appointment came to talk to you, i am not here to spewing nonsense talk about concrete solutions. how to secure our border. how we actually get things done. you want health care? let us talk about qualified health centers. we need more of them. you have allowed them to become a tiny sliver of a tiny sliver of the health care delivery

system. we need the most robust expansion of this in the history of the nation to deal with the mental health crisis and the drugs that come across our borders. these are actual solutions. talk about it as rhetoric because you have anything that never works. >> $14 billion that it talked about in the previous spot will go to community health centers and federally qualified health centers. it is helping. if you talk to the mental health experts, they are so elated that we have finally done something. in the past, this money was blocked by republican senators, president trump, by others. when we were able to do something with the democratic house, the democratic senate and the democratic president, he got it done. productivity, longevity. >> the results are always to your benefit when things do not

get done. it is almost like nothing has ever gone wrong on his watch. the people at home know the truth. they have not gotten the stewardship that they deserve. >> that brings us to the end of our time. i would like to thank both candidates. if you have missed any part of the debate it will be available on the spectrum news app. you can find a recent debate for us controller and for governor. >> we are hoping to bring you the debate in the race for the state attorney general. remember to vote, early voting is already underway. election day is november 8. on behalf of spectrum news one, thank you for watching and have a great night. ♪ [laughter] [applause] ♪

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