based -- beijing, moscow, the city of london. the only way they win is if we retreat and we will not. fight, fight, fight. amen. god bless you. you are amazing. you have honored every patriot in this country. you have honored them through their -- through your agency. this is all you.

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>> we've got one more surprise in case this wasn't enough. i will let elon do it. who else is here? >> president milei has a gift for me. >> javier mal -- javier milei, president of argentina, you guys know. why don't we bring him out? ♪ >> thank you. >> this is the chainsaw for bureaucracy. chainsaw! [screaming] [laughter]

all right. >> i love it. >> mr. president, thank you so much. >> thank you, sir. >> nice to meet you. >> we love it. >> where should we put it? >> they want it right here. >> great. a little stage prop. [cheers] >> i love you guys too. thanks, guys, have a seat. >> that was something. >> i am become meme. yeah, pretty much. there is living the dream and

there is living the meme. that is pretty much what is happening. doge started out as a meme, think about it. now it's real. isn't that crazy? but it's cool. >> a year ago, if someone had told you he would be at cpac and working with the president to absolutely shred the government, the swamp, would you ever believe that? >> no. [laughter] >> me neither. >> but it is cool. this is awesome. thanks for your support. [applause] we are trying to get good things done, but also have a good time doing it. [laughter] have a sense of humor, you know?

the left wanted to make comedy illegal, you know, like you can't make fun of anything, comedy sucks, you can't make fun of anything. legalize comedy! yeah! >> we shifted the entire culture in the last few months. the whole culture of the country shifted dramatically because of that election. >> exactly. freedom of speech, having fun again, it seems like we should have a good time. >> it's a great time. everybody in this place is so excited. when you talk to conservatives, everybody is happy. everybody feels this great sense of relief. it really felt bad, especially towards the end it felt really b ad. >> i thought we were heading for a point of no return. that is why it was so essential that president trump win the election and that there be a

republican majority in the house and senate, which thanks to you has been accomplished. >> one of the biggest questions i have is politically you were not really on one side or the other for a long time. now you are on a side. you're sitting here in a maga hat. what was the moment? >> it's like dark gothic maga. [laughter] >> was there a specific moment it all changed? >> yeah, when i realized i was a fool. no, i guess -- i was probably politically neutral for quite a while. leaning a little democrat. >> how do you go from that to this? did they go crazy?

>> yeah, they went crazy. the whole cancel culture, it's trying to stop freedom of speech. infringe upon just in general people's personal freedoms. they just want state control of what you say. they want to take away your guns. and the reason they want to take away your guns is so you cannot oppose them. we just need to restore the fundamental elements of what made america great, which is freedom and opportunity. >> we are seeing a lot of these freedoms disappearing in the west. we are watching europe and knowing they are about 1500 years ahead of us and we are watching how they are devolving. >> in europe they put people in prison for memes.

that is insane. >> they are collapsing. it is a collapsing society. it feels that way. france was nicer 50 years ago than it was today. >> yeah. yeah. >> we love you! >> thanks. love you too. [applause] >> i really wanted to do useful things, like build products, provide products and services that are good. i wasn't that interested in being political, it was just at certain point no choice. >> on the same side of that coin, what is it like from going neutral to being vilified, largely vilified by the media? >> what?

no. really? [laughter] >> you turn on some of these channels, brother, they are angry at you. does it bother you? >> when they are chanting for my death, i suppose that is a little -- [laughter] >> not good. >> the song is not even that good. you call that a death chant? that's nothing, please. it's not even good music. >> there's a lot of music lately. it is not good music either. watching what you are doing with doge, people love it. [cheering] i've always looked at the government and seen this big machine, and they waste because they don't care. you are cutting all this out. everybody in this country knows the government is full of waste, fraud and abuse. the americans love it. watching their reaction

politically, i cannot believe how bad they are at responding. i don't know how you will sit there and scream and complain because they are cutting waste out of the government and try to win another election. >> at this point i'm not sure how much of the left is even real. >> how much was propped up by our money. >> you see these fake rallies where there are hardly any people. the media will frame it and poll six people in the frame, but nobody else is there. it does not have popular support. but then you learn that there is hundreds of billions of dollars going to these so-called ngos, and it's your tax dollars that are funding things that are fundamentally anti-american. >> they are propping up their narrative, a left that i don't think is as strong as they made it seem. >> a massive amount of your tax

dollars is going to legacy media companies directly from the government. [booing] >> that is why we have x. that's why you spent $44 billion. more than it was probably worth, but there was a message. >> freedom is priceless. [applause] >> probably one of the most important investments this country has ever seen. you have to protect the first amendment. not much more important than that. >> i got a lot of criticism when people said that proves he is a huge idiot for $44 billion and now it is worth eight cents. [laughter] but yeah, it was essentially to buy freedom of expression.

>> once that is gone, it is all over. the tyranny is really quick after that. >> all the federal money going to media companies is what helps explain why the legacy media all says the same thing at the same time. it's weird. you put them up, like -- >> they are mouthpieces for the state. that is what we have come to know. scary. >> i like that meme, because they are always saying a threat to our democracy. you just replace democracy with bureaucracy, it makes a lot of sense. [applause] big threat to the bureaucracy. >> let's talk about these doge dividend checks. i know you tweeted, everyone wants a $5,000 check in the

mail? the best part would be knowing where it came from. >> totally. it is money taken away from things that are destructive to the country and from organizations that hate you, to you. that is glorious. the spoils of battle, you know. >> is there traction on that? >> yeah. the president is supportive of that. it sounds like that is something we are going to do. as we are finding savings, that will translate direction -- will translate directly to reductions in tax. >> i think they fired 6000 people at the irs. they were talking about even shutting down the irs. [cheers and applause] i think people should realize

the amount of money we send washington, $5 trillion or $6 trillion a year. one trillion seconds is like 30 years. that is how much we send them and they never seem to have enough. there must be a lot you can cut. >> if you ask me what is the most surprising thing you encountered when you go to d.c.? the most surprising is the scale of the expenditures and how easy it is just when you add caring and competence where it was absent before, you can actually save billions of dollars, sometimes in an hour. it is wild. >> they scoffed at it, a few billion here and there. you can see they don't care. it's such little money compared to how much they are used to wasting. that is what is scary. >> it just shows they really

lack empathy for the average taxpayer who is working hard paying taxes and then they say when million dollars does not matter. i think it matters a lot. what are you talking about? [applause] >> i know the president fairly well. watched him survive two assassination attempts. had the first one not happened, the second one would have got him. without those extra guys they would have not seen the guy poking through the fence at the golf course. >> isn't it mind blowing that this has happened? why have we not learned nothing about that guy? [applause] kash will get to the bottom of it. [applause] >> confirm a couple hours ago. i saw the security detail you had come in was enormous. >>

maybe it should be bigger. [laughter] >> how concerned are you about your safety? you are a wanted man. are you nervous? >> [laughter] i am open to ideas for improving security, i have to tell you. i don't actually have a death wish, i think. it's not that easy. yeah. but i've had the president of el salvador who managed to put in prison 100,000 murderous thugs. he told me, i'm worried about your security. you are worried about my security? [laughter] okay. >> talk about guts to do that down there, and then survive. >> how did you put all those thugs in prison without dying? seems like that would have been not easy. >> one of the president's top

attorneys is investigating chuck schumer for threats against scotus. basically saying we will bring a war to you. the rhetoric, you guys are screwing with things that are not supposed to be messed with. >> we are fighting the matrix. we are fighting the matrix big-time here. it has to be done. >> it certainly does. tell us about fort knox. [laughter] kentucky, it is a military base, tons of gold. >> like 5000 tons of gold. >> give or take. there in the ground. >> we all want to see it. >> i would love to see it. >> this is your gold, by the way. it is the public's gold. >> do you think it is not there? >> i don't know. we just want to see it and make sure someone did not spray paint some letters or something.

is this real gold? bite the bar. part of this, let's have some fun. all of this gold of fort knox, it is the public's gold, so i think you have a right to see it. i think we should do a tour. the president last night i think was in favor of it. that would be cool. it should be a live tour, you can see what is going on, what is behind it. i would watch that. >> are you kidding? >> what is 5000 tons of gold look like? >> it's got to be pretty big. >> there is other stuff and there -- stuff in there. >> are you thinking about auditing the federal reserve as well? >> yeah, sure. >> regulate your economy.

i imagine you think the waste has to be everywhere. >> people ask how can you find waste in d.c.? it is like being in a room and the wall, the roof and the floors are all targets. you can shoot in any direction. you can't miss. it is pretty wild. you push on things a little bit and save billions of dollars. >> scary, isn't it? >> it really is underrated. if you add caring and competence, how much things improve. we find so many totally crazy things. which we are sharing with the public. we post everything we learned. [applause] it's totally wild.

we checked the database on social security. how many alive americans eligible for social security are there? according to the database it is over 400 million. wait a second. how old are they again? we found one person was 306 years old. america did not exist before that time. maybe it is just me, but i think it is a red flag, i don't know. [laughter] >> are there indications there were checks going to any of those people? >> well, yeah -- >> i get the social security administration is dumb, but are they paying these people? i don't know. >> a bunch of money is going. >> 72 billion in waste in seven

years. >> the rough estimate from the government accountability office is over $500 billion a year. with a b. per year. >> on social security? >> no -- on all entitlements. it makes sense when you look from a top level. the $7 trillion of spending by the government, what percentage do you think is fraudulent? a conservative estimate of the $7 trillion would be 10%. >> probably higher than that. >> if the fraud is only 10% of $7 trillion, you have $700 billion worth of fraud. it is really easy to take advantage of the federal government. >> look at covid.

everybody got rich during covid. it is unbelievable. >> in terms of the covid payments, it looks like there was something like $200 billion worth of payment fraud taken by fraudsters out of the country. if there is going to be fraud, it should at least be domestic. [laughter] they managed to get $200 billion out of the country. didn't we notice that? >> let's do immigration for a second. there is this move that trump is going to cut funding, any kind of money that ends up in the hands of illegal immigrants, so if you are funding sanctuary cities, hotels, that is federal money. that is not state money. he's going to cut all that. it is hard to deport 15 million

people. it seems like the move now is let's make it so they leave on their own. if there is no longer a dole system, they are going to go back, especially if there is no work. >> it is important for people out to understand that the biden administration sent any possible money -- if there was money they could send to facilitate and amplify illegal immigration, they sent it. they took money from fema meant for helping americans in distress and sent that money to luxury hotels for illegal immigrants in new york. that is an outrage. it's they actually did that. even after the president signed an exec of order saying it has to stop, the whatever deep state

your across still pressed send on $80 million last week. and now they are mad it got stopped. they are trying to sue to have it be restored. the gumption is unreal. >> do you think a new voter class was the goal when they opened the borders, give them citizenship, give them green cards? >> you don't have to assume some grand conspiracy, you just need to look at base of -- at basic incentives and benefits. if the probability that an illegal is going to vote democrat at some point, whether it is cheating, but eventually they become citizens. the probability is 80% or 90%. look at california where the super majority is dem. the incentive is to maximize the number of illegals in the

country. that is why the biden administration was pushing to get as many illegals as possible and spend every dollar possible, because every one of them is a customer, a voter. the whole thing was a giant voter importation scam. >> pretty obvious. >> very obvious. they created the border act thing where they would literally fly people in. people being flown in at your expense. building a wall does not matter. they are flying them in. >> no other country in the world is as stupid. >> there was an $100 million contract given to some guy in london for the cvp1 app. they are flying illegals into

the swing states. if you have a margin of victory of 20,000 people and fly 200,000 illegals into that state, it won't be a swing state for long. >> may be in four, eight years, it's a long game. >> it is a matter of time. >> it might take a year to get a green card and five years for citizenship. it is an investment that is guaranteed to pay off. >> they remember who brought them in. >> people don't quite appreciate that this was a real scam to tilt the scales of democracy in america. >> treasonous. >> treason. >> one more biden question. when they did the electric car stuff, they tried to box you out, even though you have the only electric car everybody

wants. you said biden left these astronauts in space because he did not want to give you an opportunity to save them, make you look good. do you believe that? >> yeah, absolutely. [laughter] of course. >> i agree. why would he want you to help them come down? >> the biden administration attacking me next level. the department of injustice under the biden administration, they were suing spacex for not hiring asylum-seekers. but it's actually illegal for us to hire asylum-seekers because rocket technology is covered under rules that bans weapons technology. we can only hire permanent residents or citizens. we are damaged if we do it -- damned if we do it, damned if we

don't. how can they sue us for not hiring asylum-seekers? there was a big department of justice case against spacex. obviously it was an antagonistic situation. those astronauts were supposed to be up there for eight days and now they are up there for eight months. does that make any sense? we could have brought them back sooner, but they did not want anyone who supported president trump to look good basically. that is the issue. >> a lot of them are saying the reason you want to get into the treasury is you want to make more money. i've never met someone as rich as you who cared less about money. every time i hear about you you are sleeping on a couch. i don't think you care about money, do you?

>> actually -- [laughter] if i steal some social security, i can finally buy nice things. [laughter] >> on that same question, they are talking about you guys are going to end social security, end medicare. i don't imagine that conversation has been had with the president. >> no. the actions we are taking with the support of the president and the agencies is what will save medicare and social security. [applause] if the country goes insolvent, if all the money is spent on paying interest on debt, there's no money left for anything. that is the reason i'm doing this. the debt is getting out of

control. the interest on the national debt now exceeds the entire defense department budget. >> $1 trillion a year in interest. that is unbelievable. >> and rising rapidly. the country is no different from a person. the country over spends, the country goes bankrupt. it is not optional to solve these things. >> we are going to go bankrupt. we are. a couple minutes left here. russia, there is a huge question -- >> oh yeah. people say i am a bought asset of putin. he can't afford me. [applause] think about it. >> you are trying to end a war.

any war means you have to compromise, you have to negotiate with an enemy or adversary. and right now they are lambasting the president for trying a different method to war that they have not been able to end in 3.5 years. they are saying trump is blaming zelenskyy for the invasion. how do you process all of the negativity in trying to end this war? >> first of all, we should have empathy for the people at the front lines. [applause] people have been dying. how many more years is this supposed to go on? imagine if that was your son, your father. what are they dying for? the line of engagement has barely moved for two years. board entrenches -- people are dead in trenches, for what?

it is unreal. the amount of money that is being taken in bribery is disgusting. what is happening is those poor guys are getting sent into a meat grinder for money. that is actually what is going on. it needs to stop. >> trump is so pragmatic on this. he's looking at it and saying ukraine is not our country, it's not a nato ally, i just want to see people not dying on both sides. so many young men have died in ukraine that the army is starting to age out. you have 40 and 50-year-old guys fighting because no one is left in their 20's. think of how many people that is, if you are a humanitarian at all, you have to end the war. get it over with.

>> yes. they need to stop dying. the grift machine has to stop. a lot of people don't realize the president has a lot of empathy. he really cares. he's a good man. [applause] >> i've got one more for you. i have been fascinated by you for a very long time. >> oh, thanks. [laughter] >> i've never seen anyone that can do so many things at the same time, the rockets, the cars. what is it like inside your mind? is it 1000 miles an hour? >> yeah. >> do you sleep? how much do you sleep? [laughter] into us a shirt -- paint us a picture of the inside of the mind of a genius. can you answer that question? >> my mind is a storm.

it's a storm. you did not ask the question, but i think it is worth elaborating on something, which is i grew up in south africa, but my morality was informed by america. i read comic books, dungeons & dragons. i watched american tv shows. it seem like america cared about being the good guys, about doing the right thing. [applause] that is pretty unusual, by the way. >> in the world it is very unusual. most countries don't do that. >> no, they don't.

i was like, yeah, you want to care about what is right. that is what i believe in. >> i gave you a tough one at the end. [applause] >> so, yeah. >> that is great. elon musk. thank you so much. [applause] ♪ [applause]

>> thank you. ♪ [cheers] >> thanks, guys. >>