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i am 30 years old and lukashenko has been in power for 30 years, but this is not normal, you asked for a piece of bread, you asked for a salary of 20 dollars, here is lukashenko , you have a good president, what are you doing, why are you leaving?
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i swear to serve the people of the republic of belarus, to uphold the constitution and laws of the republic of belarus, to conscientiously uphold the high obligations imposed on me. in the summer of 1994, alexander lukashenko became the first president in the history of sovereign belarus. 30 years have passed, and he still continues to to lead the country. in order to stay in power for so long, he held unconstitutional referendums. his political opponents disappeared, election results were falsified, and those who disagreed were sent to prison or forced to leave the country. but during the decade that lukashenko has been in power, a whole generation has emerged in belarus. people
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who have never seen another person in the country's leadership, but at a certain point realized that something was wrong with the political life in their country, we decided to tell the stories of these people, i am one of those people who was absolutely outside of politics, as far as possible, the first time i thought about the fact that something was wrong was in my first year, when the parliamentary elections were held, then they began to force us to vote early. that is, in what way, if you refuse, then the tyganat begins to drag, threaten, say that everyone will not sign the statement there for the whole group and so on, and since i was the head of the group, i was directly connected with this when in my group one person refused and they write to me that well, he should, and i, and why should he, only then did it start to appear in me, what is happening, why are they forcing us, what is this anyway, that is, i went up to this person, asked, i said, why don’t you want to vote early, and he told me, so still...
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the first such large square happened to me in 2010, i remember that i saw all this horror that was happening in minsk, yes, i was in stolin, of course, i saw all this tv, i remember that the next day i had school, and i didn’t sleep until night, i was trying to understand, what in general, what in general is happening on the streets, who are these people, what is the opposition, and i remember that my dad told me, no, you don’t need politics, you shouldn’t watch it at all, listen, let’s go to bed, and after that i
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realized that i definitely needed to be interested in this, because if my parents told me not to do something, i understood that exactly what they were telling me, what i shouldn’t be interested in, i should to be interested in this, because this is the most interesting thing, yes, i remember that the next day i was at school, i remember that the teachers were talking about something like that, and there was such a very serious tensh, tension between them, i understood that everyone was watching the news, and i understood that yes, something is happening, something... something terrible happened that is connected with violence, and this is something that should not exist in the country, because when i saw the beaten protesters, i understood that well , it seems, even though i was young, how old was 12, it seemed to me that such events in principle should not happen in any country, i lived most of my life in poland,
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i worry about the independence of the state, and lukashenko single-handedly deprives people of life and single-handedly deprives our country of independence? it is enough that in my perception,
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well, specifically the figure, that he is like a president more than i am years old, and i am already years old , like according to optimistic scenarios, a third of my life has already passed, but this is an abnormal situation, well... it seems to me like this it's just like this is the most basic reason, it shouldn't be like this, i personally don't have any questions for him personally, but this system itself, which he built, it's bad, it 's like, it costs belarus a lot from all sides, it's politics, because belarus is not very clear, how else, well, this is also this unclear moment, like it is independent thanks to lukashenko or it is losing independence also thanks to lukashenko, how this happens is unclear. like, but it is clear that he put it in this situation brought, all these as if too much friendship with russia and so on, in my opinion everything could have been better than if everything had been approached more talentedly, intelligently, and not through the system that was built simply through loyalty,
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he managed to fundamentally destroy all the structures of society, here i am talking about contacts between people, trust in... people the opportunity to live without fear in their own country the opportunity to express yourself the way you want. in particular, i am very upset by the fact that people in belarus forced to exist in some form, that is, we cannot express ourselves, for example, in art, in conversations, including in clothing, any form of expression that differs from the socially accepted or in this case.
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a person who is completely unsuitable for this time, completely unsuitable now in the country that he leads, all his views, on women, all his statements about gays, it's just it's just terrible, this is something that should not exist now in a normal country, when everything is very bad, so bad, the only option that is suitable for a politician is... to leave his post, but yes, he does not do this, it does not matter how old you are, what is good and evil, you know from your childhood, these are cartoons, these are books, these are some beliefs, this is upbringing, i do not know, but to separate what is bad and what is good, well, when people are beaten on the street and you see it
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with your own eyes, not even from videos on the internet, but you just see that men are beaten like this, well, this is obvious evil, and for this no need to understand politics. during the period of my arrest there was a national strike and bntu students actively participated, when i was released, i found out that 52 students were being expelled, it was a record of all, that is, in other universities there at bsu they expelled two people, somewhere one, that is, at bntu as many as 52 people, i came to the university, i was called to the dean's office and just silently, the dean gave me an order of expulsion, i just signed this order already. belarus and that's it, i woke up from the fact that i will be six men in civilian clothes, that is
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, the first thing i see, i open my eyes - there are six men above me, uh, they are saying something, asking, one is pulling the blanket, and i was sleeping only in my underwear, right underwear, that is... everything was open here, i cover the blanket, the second one under the pillow, that is, such a commotion, like, what is going on, i guessed, probably, in the third second, and i asked them, how did you get into the apartment already during the search, when we were chatting nicely, and they told me, the door was open, well it's funny, it wasn't open, and our only guess is that since the apartment was rented, they took a duplicate under a signed statement from the landlady, because there were no other options, after how i behaved, that is, for example, when they opened the refrigerator, this is part of the search, i asked them, do you want something to eat, do you want to warm it up, that is, well, i... how the brain works and worked differently, i didn't have any such awareness,
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and there was no aggression in any way, i offered them coffee and tea, that is, well, this it's all education again, well people opened the refrigerators, hungry, that is, i didn't even understand that it was part of the search, they told me that it was just a search, that now they would conduct a search and leave, when they told me that i needed to go there to sign a piece of paper and you would go home, i was like well let's go, i'll write a piece of paper, that is , that's it, and after that they lead me... a cell and so begins a two-year journey, that is, they promised that they would bring me home after the piece of paper, in the end i returned home after 2 years, i stayed in belarus until 2022 years, i was in belarus for another 2 years after 2020, a story that tens of thousands of people have already lived there, an invigorating knock with a sledgehammer on the door at 6 am, well , open up, there's the police, what are you going to open there, well... if you don't have time, then they just break the door down, i managed to get it halfway there, like they already broke the door a little, but i
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managed to open it, well, that's it, they put me face down on the floor, a certain number of people with machine guns in masks flew in, all handcuffs, there are surveys, employees come in with folders already without masks, they say there, we are on such and such a case there and that's it, there's some general criminal case about the protests , all the confiscation of mobile phones, some laptops?
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i also had to go up and tell my grandmother, like my grandmother is also an elderly person, say, grandma, pack your things, that's it, we're leaving, well, we got ready, like, we went to the border, it was scary, of course, the scariest thing was that dad was left alone, like later even dad said that the kgb did all this specifically to put psychological pressure on a person, when he is still left alone, it is even more difficult, yes, the whole family has left, you are here alone, when lukashenko said that dad crossed the red line, i wrote to him then: dad, please come to warsaw,
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for some people it can still be a safe route, but yes, in this story of mine
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there was a boat, a river, uh, some incomprehensible men who were transporting cigarettes somewhere, we came halfway through some kind of mini-swamp and some mud, they helped me, so that i didn't get my beautiful white shoes dirty, as they said, and then yes, it was very beautiful at dawn, and... we were redirected to the other bank, and my other life began there. i was just coming home from the store one day. i was carrying some purchases, and i see that there are some people standing near my entrance in some strange costumes, from which there was a good situation in that you could go out from two doors at the entrance from different ends to see that there were no consequences of this i also lived with my friends , i also noticed that there near my work near the office
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there were always some cars guarding people, not only me, but my friends, i managed to leave calmly, i left on the second day right after... from norway to lithuania, from lithuania to georgia. i had socks, such black ones with the inscription i am belarusian, and they approached me with a complaint, like if we were in your place we would have rejected such socks, and did not present our political or national position, which seemed very... subsequently with i was also passed by a security guard during my entire time waiting to board the plane, asking about what i was doing, asking whether i was participating in the protests in belarus, why i was leaving belarus, why i was moving there via moscow, why i was expressing my political position at the moscow airport, like, look, lukashenko, you have a good president, what are you doing, why are you leaving belarus,
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why did you come to us in moscow, go back to belarus, belarus is such a wonderful country, there are such wonderful products, look. we have all the good products from belarus, that is, including the translit pro-kandit theses that were developed in belarus and supported by moscow. in minsk , a verdict was passed on the so-called students' case, in belarus it is also called the case against youth. all 12 convicted in the students' case were recognized as political prisoners. today, dozens of people gathered near the court building to support them. the trials were very difficult, they made the conditions for us as much as possible, so that these were some kind of torture. courts, that is, for ordinary ones right away, well, i say that this was done specifically for us, ordinary convicts don’t have this, due to the fact that we were in pre-trial detention for a long time, i knew how they go to court, when we went and encountered everything that we encountered, it was obvious that this was specifically aimed at us, at politicals, well, at our case in particular, well, we went through a naked search every day before the court, plus
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sometimes during the break between the court hearing and there is a break for lunch, and during this... break, uh, well, a naked search is when you have to strip completely naked and squat, and for us it was different, well, i mean, i understand that i knew that such a thing exists, uh, the process is extremely humiliating, unpleasant, unnecessary, obviously especially in our case, that is, murderers do not undergo such searches before the courts and they simply run a metal detector over everything on their clothes. the most unpleasant thing was that they even asked to unstick personal hygiene items. it doesn't matter whether you are on your period or not, that is, well, our girl, well, i won't name names, but she was faced with the fact that during her critical days they told her to unfasten, and what should she do, when she went to the verdict, i already knew that it would be a term, simply because there is a mechanism for traveling to court in general, and it includes that when you
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go to the verdict, you are obliged to hand over all your things and a mattress to the cell in the pre-trial detention center, the case is just right, well , that you will be released, your things must be collected and handed over, our girls, some collected all their bags, they were not allowed to take them, that is, i remember, i'm standing there, they're well and our girls , i mean, we've packed our bags, we're the ones who have to hand them over, the officer says: no, you don't have to hand them over, well, that is, everyone already knew, and this was the most obvious indicator that they wouldn't let us go, in the end we were sentenced to 2.6 - imprisonment out of three possible, my girls were crying in the cell, when i returned, i said the request, and then the sentence, and... just another interesting point, before that, the adult women with whom i was sitting, they were getting ready for the colony, respectively, and there were things, some lists were already written, namely according to prison standards, and i am closer to the courts, i say, can i have your list, i will write mine, no, child, you will go home, don’t even think about it, we will not give you a list, well, that was the attitude, i was simply forbidden to talk and think about it,
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everyone in the cell convinced me that the children would go home, well, many called us children, we excused ourselves with handcuffs after the verdict all at once, when we stood in them, ah-ah, it was very hard for me to look at my mother in general , in principle, to understand that everything, and i , i don’t know, i just screamed, at first i i tried to support her somehow, that is , i twisted her hand like this in handcuffs and showed her like this, i then had a mark like this because the handcuffs rubbed, but when they started to leave, i saw that everything, that we will return now, that before i screamed, it seems to me, well, i would say that it was a scream not even with my head, just with my whole gut, classic questions, what exactly.
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we kind of don’t agree on our views, that’s why we are detaining you, well, if in a correct form, but there, basically, not in a correct form it was, the cell as a rule, if for one person, then there sit
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4 5 6, if for four people, then there sit 12, 15, 16, 17, there is nothing at all except this standard furniture beds, no mattresses, nothing, the light is never turned off there, well, just these tracks play on the radio, there yes, they don’t give away your beloved, sanya will stay with us. here only prison porridge for two weeks, but this is not a problem at all, the problem is that you have no toothbrushes, no personal hygiene products, nothing, you don’t have that, i don't know how it is now with this, uh, most
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likely it's exactly the same, well and it was n't cool, like you definitely won't want to go there a second time, like you'll try, you'll sit there once, and then you 'll try your best not to go there a second time, in the colony everything is built like this and... women's so that, firstly, they dehumanize you, and so that you forget that you are a woman at all, that you are a person, so we had a situation in the detachment where a woman was not politically active, disadvantaged, that is, yes, she stole in the detachment and so on, but it is worth remembering, this is a person, this is a hungry woman who has no help, she took bread with her in the canteen, this is prohibited, they came there with a search, they found the bread, and what did the officer do, he... put her on the street, brought out our whole gang of 90 women, put us all in front of her and brought her a loaf of bread, gave it to her, said, eat,
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and we had to watch this until she finished eating, we could not disperse, well, that is, it's just some i don't know movie, yes, when they ask about the best and worst day in the colony, i say: the first dritelnoe and the first dritelnoe, because the best, because you, well , i, i saw my mother for the first time in a year, i put on my clothes. i picked up a fork for the first time in a year, that is, like an eagle, i thought what to do with it? it was a completely torn soul, when they took her away, she just, when they took me away, she shouted at me: don't turn around, i didn't turn around, after that something inside really cracked, cracked, i had some kind of childish direct question in my head, why am i being taken away from my mother, i want to say first of all, that i in no way condemn the people who wrote the pardon. or admitted guilt, but well, for me personally, for me it was unacceptable, that is, and i was threatened with an extension of the term, the head of the penal colony, when i first arrived at the colony, and he
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said: we can extend your term for a year, don't worry, as i already said, i'm not some kind of positionalist all my life, but i had such a strong conviction that i could not allow myself to do this, that i would not be able to sleep peacefully, i immediately had the dead in front of my eyes, tamdaren... troikovsky at that moment, that is, i just thought about them and thought, well, how can i write, forgive me, sasha, well, no way, well for me it was just something, definitely not, a couple of months before the liberation i was surprised, because i felt, in addition to some kind of delight, trepidation, this expectation, i felt anxiety and even fear, i began to think that it was really scary to return too, and this too...
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and i thought to myself, the house of gucci, i think, so, it's probably a new shopping center in minsk, or some cafe, but she says it like it's something, and in short, i'm like, wait, what is the guchi house? she's like, asya, i'm sorry, i feel so awkward, it's a movie, everyone 's talking about it now, it's offensive, tyry-pryra, i understand that it's such a trifle, but it's a small grain that launched these processes in me, how many movies, songs, memes, global news, some, well, that is, a piece.
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but i was pleased, they gave me a beautiful photo of me, yes, thank you, well my mother and i haven't communicated for over a year, we don't congratulate each other on any holidays, neither on new year's, nor on easter, communication has simply come to zero, yes, we have different political views, so we stopped communicating, well, as we see, she and her family are behind lukashenko's regime, they support him, they work for the regime. of course, we are against this, because i want, my dad wants to live in a new democratic belarus, and we strive for this, we want the regime, and lukashenko to bear responsibility for all those actions that he committed and is committing against the belarusian people, of course, perhaps there is a little sadness, as if it were not a mother, yes, but it is her decision, as if it is her decision not to communicate with the child, as if i do not know, i do not have children, maybe how would i have acted, probably i would not have been able to do so,
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well...
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what about when the apartment was sold - they asked her for a phone number in my name, they looked through the subscriptions, it turned out that she was subscribed to several news resources that are considered extremist in belarus. what can we say about the state, which in this way pessimizes parents for children? and this causes me a lot of anger and i do not believe that in the state. which persecutes not only unwanted people, conditionally, but also relatives and loved ones, acquaintances, relatives, beloved children, this is very similar to the regime that is now in north korea, when if one person in the family commits some action against the state, then the whole family is under threat the whole family goes to prison, she slept again without a mattress on an iron couch, and sent me the consequences of the photograph of that...

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