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i am 30 years old and lukashenko has been in power for 30 years, but this is not normal, you asked for a piece of bread, you asked for a salary of 20 dollars, here is lukashenko , you have a good president, what are you doing, why are you leaving?
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i swear to serve the people of the republic of belarus, to uphold the constitution and laws of the republic of belarus in good faith, to uphold the high obligations imposed on me. in the summer of 1994, alexander lukashenko became the first president in the history of sovereign belarus. 30 years have passed, and he still continues to lead the country. in order to stay in power for so long, he held unconstitutional referendums. his political opponents disappeared, election results were falsified, and those who disagreed were sent to prison or forced to leave the country. but during lukashenko's decade in power, a whole generation of young people has emerged in belarus.
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who have never seen another person in the country's leadership, but at a certain point realized that something was wrong with the political life in their country, we decided to tell the stories of these people, i am one of those people who was absolutely outside of politics, as far as possible, the first time i thought about the fact that something was wrong was in my first year, when the parliamentary elections were held, then they began to force us to vote early. that is, in what way, if you refuse, then the tyganat begins to drag, threaten, say that everyone will not sign the statement there for the whole group and so on, and since i was the head of the group, i was directly connected with this when in my group one person refused and they write to me that well, he should, and i, and why should he, only then did it start to appear in me, what's going on, why are they forcing us, what is this anyway, that is, i went up to this person, asked, i say, why don't you want to vote early, and he told me, that's it. sificates,
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i still remember mine in the sense, well, what does this mean, with this phrase, with this conversation, it kind of began, my life is already in politics, he ignores me like that, i remember exactly that the first moment when i realized that i had a question in general about everything that was happening in this country with... with me in 2010, the first such large square happened, i remember that i saw all this horror that was happening in minsk, yes, i was in stolin, of course, i saw all this on tv, i remember that the next day i had school, and i did not sleep until night, i tried to understand, what in general, what in general was happening on the streets, who are these people, what is the opposition, and i remember that my dad told me, no, you don't need politics, you shouldn't watch it at all, know listen, go to bed. and after that i
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realized that i definitely need to be interested in this, because if my parents told me not to do something, i understood that exactly what they were telling me that i shouldn't be interested in, i should be interested in this, because this is the most interesting, yes, i remember that the next day i was at school, i remember that the teachers were talking about something like that, and there was such a very serious tensh, tension between them, i understood that everyone was watching the news, and i understood that yes, something was happening, that... something terrible had happened, that was connected with violence, and this is something that should not exist in the country, because when i saw the beaten protesters, i understood that well , it seems, even though i was young, how old was 12, it seemed to me that such events in principle should not happen in any country, i lived most of my life in poland.
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authorities, but this is not normal, this cannot happen in a normal democratic, european state, but the peak of everything, of course, was 2020, when those mass repressions, murders, what was happening in belarus, but it was unacceptable, every adequately healthy person understood what was happening in our country and could not just come to terms with it, i also could not come to terms with it, like most belarusians, every person values ​​his health, his life, yes, every citizen ... worries about the independence of the state, and lukashenko single-handedly deprives people of life and single-handedly deprives our country of independence? it is enough that in my perception,
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well specifically the figure, that like he is more president than i am years old, and i am already years old , like according to optimistic scenarios, a third of my life has already passed, but this is an abnormal situation, well... it seems to me that this is just like the most basic reason , this should not be like this for me personally, i personally have no questions for him, but this system itself, which he built, it is bad, it is like, it is very expensive belarus from all sides, this is politics, because belarus is not very clear, how else, well, this is also this unclear moment, like it is independent thanks to lukashenko or it is losing independence also thanks to lukashenko, how this happens is unclear. like, but it is clear that it was he who brought it into this situation, all this kind of too much friendship with russia and so on, in my opinion everything could have been better than if everything had been approached more talentedly, intelligently, and not through the system that was built simply through loyalty,
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he managed to fundamentally destroy all structures of society, here i am talking about contacts between people, trust in... people the opportunity to live without fear in your country the opportunity to express yourself the way you want. in particular , i am very upset by the fact that people in belarus are forced to exist in some kind of image, that is, we cannot express ourselves, for example, in art, in conversations, including in clothing. any form of self-expression that different from the socially accepted or in this case.
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a person who is completely unsuitable for this time, completely unsuitable now in the country that he leads, all his views, on women, all his statements about gays, it's just , it's just terrible, it's something that should not exist now in a normal country, when everything is very bad, so bad, the only option that is suitable for a politician is to... resign from his post, but yes, he does not do it, it does not matter how old you are, what is good and evil, you know from a young age, these are cartoons, these are books, these are some beliefs, this is upbringing, i don't know, but to separate what is bad and what is good, well, when people
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are beaten in the street and you see it with your own eyes, not even from videos on the internet, but you just see that men are being beaten like that, well, this is obvious evil, and you don't need to understand politics for this. during the period of my arrest, a national strike took place and bnto students actively participated when i got out i found out that now they are expelling 52 student, it was a record of all, that is, in other universities, there at bsu, it seems , two people were expelled, somewhere around one, that is, at bntu as many as 52 people, i came to the university, they called me to the dean's office and just silently, the dean gave me an order of expulsion, i simply signed this order with... belarus and that's it, i woke up from the fact that i would have six men in civilian clothes, that is
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, the first thing i see, i open my eyes - these are six men above me, saying something, asking, one is pulling the blanket, and i was only sleeping in my underwear, just underwear, that is... everything was open here, i cover the blanket, the second one under the pillow, that is, such a fuss, like, what's going on, i guessed, probably, in the third second, and i asked them how you got into the apartment already during the search, when we were chatting nicely, and they told me the door was open, well, that's funny, it wasn't open, and our only assumption is that since the apartment is rented, they took a duplicate under a non-disclosure agreement from the landlady, because there are no other options, later, how i behaved, that is, for example, when they opened the refrigerator, this is part of the search, i asked them, do you want to eat something, should i warm it up for you, that is, well, my... in general, the brain works and worked differently, i did not have any such
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awareness, there was no aggression in any way, i offered them coffee and tea, that is, well, this is all again upbringing, well, people opened the refrigerators, hungry, that is, i did not even understand that this was part of the search, they told me that it was just a search, that now they will conduct a search and leave, when they told me that i need to go there to sign a paper and you will go home, i am like well let's go, i will write a paper, that is , that's it, and after that they... if you don't have time, then they just break the door down, it worked out for me halfway, like they already broke the door a little, but i managed to open it,
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well that's it, they put me face down on the floor, a number of people with machine guns in masks flew in, all handcuffs, there are interrogations, officers come in with folders already without masks and say, we are on such and such everything is there, there is some general criminal case about the protests , all the confiscation of mobile phones, some laptops.
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information was received that some journalists from the onliner were of interest to the security forces, apparently these were
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the most vocal journalists who were not shy in condemning everything that was happening then, and yes, after some time this interest of the security forces increased towards me, and so i got on a boat with one backpack, went to russia, then to turkey ended up in ukraine, well, probably the most... for some people it may still be a safe way, but yes,
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in this story of mine there was a boat, a river, uh, some strange men who were transporting cigarettes somewhere, we came halfway through some kind of mini-swamp and some kind of mud, they helped me so that i wouldn’t get my beautiful white shoes dirty, as they said, and then yes, it was very beautiful at dawn, and... we were redirected to the other bank, and there my other life began. once i just came home from the store. i was carrying some purchases, i see that there near my entrance again there are some, some people in some strange costumes, from which here was a good situation in that two doors from the entrance could be exited from different ends to watch, so that there were no consequences of this, i also lived with my friends , i also noticed that there near my work near the office there were always some cars
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guarding people, there was not only me, but my friends, i managed to leave calmly, i left on the second day right away for... to liquidate many organizations, which probably contributed to the fact that i had no obstacles to leaving, i left via moscow by train, and from there i took a plane ticket to norway, from norway to lithuania, from lithuania to georgia, i had socks, such black ones with the inscription i am belarusian, and they approached me with a complaint, like in your place we would have put on such socks and not presented our political or national position, which seemed very... it was also strange that a security guard walked with me throughout my entire time waiting for the plane to board, asking about what i was doing, asking about whether i had participated in the protests in belarus, why i was leaving belarus, why i was moving there via moscow, why i was at the moscow airport, expressing my political position, like, look , lukashenko is a good president, what are you doing, why are you leaving belarus,
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why did you come to us in moscow, go back to belarus, belarus is such a wonderful country, there are such wonderful products, look. all our products are good from belarus, that is, it began, including some pro-kandit theses that were developed in belarus and supported by moscow. in minsk , a verdict was passed on the so-called students' case, in belarus it is also called a case against youth. all 12 convicted in the students' case were recognized as political prisoners. today, dozens of people gathered near the court building to support them. the trials were very difficult, they made the conditions for us as much as possible, so that they were some kind of torture. courts, that is, for ordinary people right away, well, i say that this was done specifically for us, ordinary convicts don’t have this, due to the fact that we were in the season for a long time, i knew how they go to court, when we went and encountered everything that we encountered, it was obvious that this was specifically aimed at us, at politicals, well, at our case in particular, well, we went through a naked search every day before the court, plus
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sometimes during the break between the court session and there is a break for lunch, and during this... break, well, a naked search is when you have to undress completely naked and squat, and for us it was different, well, that is, i understand that i knew that such a thing exists, uh, the process is extremely humiliating, unpleasant, it is not necessary, obviously in our case especially, that is, murderers do not undergo such searches before the courts and they simply run a metal detector over everything on their clothes, the most unpleasant thing was that they even asked to unstick personal hygiene items, it does not matter whether you are on your period or not, that is, well, our girl, well, i won't name names, but she was faced with the fact that during her critical days they told her to unfasten, and what should she do, well, when i was going to the verdict, i already knew that it would be a term, simply because there is - a mechanism for traveling to court in general, and it includes that when you
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go to the verdict, you are obliged to hand over all your things and a mattress to the cell in the pre-trial detention center, just in case, well , that you will be released. that is, your things must be collected and handed over, our girls, some collected all their bags, they were not allowed to take them, that is, i remember, i'm standing there, they, well, and our girls , i mean, we packed our bags, we're the ones who have to hand them over, the officer says: no, you don't have to hand them over, well, that is, everyone already knew, and this was the most obvious indicator that they wouldn't let us go, in the end we were sentenced to 2.6 - imprisonment out of three possible, my girls were crying in the cell, when i returned, i said the request, and then the sentence, and... just another interesting point, before that, the adult women with whom i was sitting, they were getting ready for the colony, accordingly, there were things, some lists were already written, namely according to prison standards, and i am closer to the courts, i say, can i have your list, i will write mine, no, child, you will go home, don’t even think about it, we will not give you a list, well, that was the attitude, i was simply forbidden to talk and think about it,
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everyone in the cell convinced me that the children would go home, well, many called us children, we excused ourselves with handcuffs after the verdict all at once, when we stood in them, ah-ah, it was very hard for me to look at my mother in general , in principle, to understand that everything, and i , i don’t know, i just screamed, at first i i tried to support her somehow, that is , i twisted her hand like this in handcuffs and showed her like this, i then had a mark like this because the handcuffs rubbed, but when they started to leave, i saw that everything, that we will return now, that...
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they changed, but like when you have a taser cracking in your spirit, it is uncomfortable, do not check if possible, they kind of ask these questions, they kind of like these are generally quite difficult questions to discuss, when you are nervous when a person in a mask with a machine gun asks you this, well, damn, how good are you at it, you won't answer it anyway, the fact that you came out there is completely incomprehensible to us, we have excellent salaries , excellent, like we have enough of everything, what you lack is incomprehensible to us, that's why we... we don't seem to agree on our views , that's why we are detaining you, well, that's if in a correct form, but there was mostly an incorrect one, the camera is usually, if for one person, then there are
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4, 5, 6 sitting there, if for four people, then there are 12, 15, 16 sitting there, 17, there is nothing there at all except for this standard furniture bed, no mattresses, nothing, the light is never turned off, well, just these tracks play on the radio, there yes, they don’t give away your favorite, the site will remain sleep. only this prison porridge for two weeks, but this is not a problem at all, the problem is that you don’t have any toothbrushes, or any personal hygiene products, nothing, you don’t have this, i don’t know how it is with this now,
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most likely it’s exactly the same, well, and it wasn’t cool, like you definitely won’t want to go there a second time, like you’ll try, here you'll sit there once, and then you 'll try your best not to go there a second time, everything is built in the colony like this and... in the women's colony, firstly, to dehumanize you, and so that you forget that you're a woman at all, that you're a person, uh, we had a situation in the detachment where a woman was non-political, uh, disadvantaged, that is, yes, she stole something in the detachment and so on, but it's worth remembering, she's a person, she's a hungry woman who has no help, she took bread with her from the canteen, that's forbidden, they came to search us, they found bread and what did the officer do? he put her on the street, brought out our whole gang of 90 women, put us all in front of her and brought her a loaf of bread, gave it to her, said: eat, and we had
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to watch it until she finished eating, we couldn’t leave, well, that is, it’s just some kind of i don’t know movie, yes, when they ask the best and worst day in the colony, i say: the first dritelnoye and the first dritelnoye, because the best, because you, well , i, i saw my mother for the first time in a year, i put on my clothes. i took fork in hand for the first time in a year, that is, like oriel, thought what to do with it? it was a torn soul in general, when they took her away, she just, when they took me away, she shouted at me: don't turn around, i didn't turn around, after that something inside really cracked, i had such a childish direct question in my head, why am i being taken away from my mother, i want to say first of all that i in no way condemn the people who wrote a pardon. or admitted guilt, but well for me personally, for me it was unacceptable, that is, they threatened to extend my term, the head of the penal colony, when i first arrived at the colony,
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and he said: we can extend your term for a year, don’t worry, as i already said, i’m not some kind of positionalist all my life, but i had such a strong conviction that i couldn’t allow myself to do this, that i wouldn’t be able to sleep peacefully, the dead immediately appeared before my eyes, there was bandaren... troikovsky at that time, that is, i just thought about them and thought, well, how can i write, forgive me, sasha, well, no way, well for me it was just something, definitely not. a couple of months before the release, i was surprised because i felt, in addition to some kind of delight, trepidation, this expectation, i felt anxiety and even fear, i began to think that it was really scary to go back too, and this too...
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and i think to myself the gucci house, i think, so, this is probably a new shopping center in minsk, or some cafe, but she says it as if it was something and in short, i'm like, wait, what is guchi's house? she 's like, asya, sorry, i feel so awkward, it's a movie, everyone 's talking about it now, it's an oscar winner, tyry-pryra, i understand that it's such a small thing, but it's a small grain that launched these processes in me, how many movies, songs, memes, global news, some, well, that is, a piece.
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of course, we are against it, because i want, my dad wants to live in a new democratic belarus, and we strive for this, we want the regime, and lukashenko bore responsibility for all the actions that he committed and commits against the belarusian people, of course, perhaps there is a little sadness, as if it were not my mother, yes, but it was her decision, as if it was her decision not to communicate with the child, as if i don’t know, i don’t have children, maybe how would i have acted, probably i wouldn’t have been able to do that,
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well... of course, i remember, it’s still my mother, when the mass hunt began, conditional, persecution of members of the ks, we began to notice that in belarus they came not only to friends, but to relatives, who began to conduct surveillance searches of people who were associated with the members of the cc, for example, there are also parents, grandparents, friends, acquaintances, loved ones, in some cases ... children at 7:00 in the morning she was driving to work, they came to her there first at home, she was no longer home, then they came to work took her from work to search the apartment, well, you are a mother, i say, well yes, a mother, and at the same time i have article thirty, you can not express any assumptions, judgments and so on, not to give explanations about their close relatives, my mother was the only one of those who sat there for 15 days and was given
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for the fact that when the apartment was being sold - they asked her for a phone number in my name, looked through her subscriptions, it turned out that she was subscribed to several news resources that are considered extremist in belarus, what can we say about the state, which in this way accuses parents for their children, and this makes me very angry, and i do not believe that in the state. a structure that persecutes not only undesirable people, conditionally, but also relatives and loved ones, acquaintances, relatives, beloved children, this is very similar to the regime that is now in north korea, when if one person in the family commits some action against the state, then the whole family is under threat, the whole family goes to prison, she slept again without a mattress on an iron couch - and sent me the consequences of the photo of that.

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