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>> michael: coming up a day of speeches in washington and beyond. the president spoke to the citizens of gurney, the tea party spoke to the non-citizens of the united states and you have never seen a better illustration of the lesson that wearing down walls takes more courage than building them up. i'm michael shure. you are in "the war room." [♪ theme music ♪] >> michael: fresh from a two-day g8 summit in northern ireland, president obama returned to germany today to deliver a
speech. speaking of berlin's brandenberg gate president obama summoned the speech of jfk. >> obama: our fates are linked and we cannot ignore those who are yearning for freedom and prosperity, and peace with justice depends on our ability to secure both the our society and the openness that defines them. now threats to freedom don't rely ce from the outside. th can erge from within. >> michaelhe wenwithhe ite shirt o,hich thought was nice in 28 mor tha200,00 rms ocked t s then candide obama spe i the city. he described himself as a fellow citizen of the world. but today many are frustrated
that now president and nobel peace prize winner barack obama seems powerless. news of our government surveillance and internet communications through prism is the stuff of nazi nightmares. germany was the most monitored eu country. he defended his surveillance program and sought to knock down the virtual wall dividing public opinion. >> our programs are bound by the rule of law and focused on security. but we must accept a challenge, to listen to the voices who disagree with us so have an open debate about how we use our powers. that's what makes us who we are, and that's what makes us
different from those on the other side of the wall. [ cheers and applause ] >> michael: back here in washington there was another east/west divide. on the west lawn an audit the irs gathering pulled together conservative and tea party groups targeted by the irs. the event which they are calling the biggest tea party demonstration since 2010 brought out all of the usual suspects. each played their classic anti-government official riffs. >> well, it has been 100 years now that we have had the current united states task code. don't you think that a century of oppression is enough. >> anybody want to fire some irs agents? [ cheers ] >> so what is the best solution? we need to abolish the irs!
[ cheers and applause ] >> michael: this is the day after elijah cummings released the full transcripts investigating the irs. showing it started with a low-level employee and there was no communication with the white house. this completely undermines the ginned up scandal of darrell issa who refused to publish the full transcript. but none of that stopped today's rhetoric. on the east side of the wall -- i mean capitol, immigration was the subject of another rally this one organized by steve king. the event was an attempt to galvanize opposition to a bill moving it's a way through congress, this too after undermining the rally's message. the senate immigration bill
would help reduce the deficit. i guess conservatives aren't interested in that kind of strength, health, and prosperity for our country. joining us now are democratic strategist and syndicated columnist karl frisch, and from new york i'm joined by keli goff, political correspondent for "the root." welcome back to "the war room" to both of you. karl i'll start with you. today's immigration rally was full of angry tea partiers, calling for the head of marco rubio. one sign read rubio lies america dies. what happened? >> i think they discovered he is brown. [ laughter ] >> you know, after the 2012 election, you would have thought that the republicans wou have tried to put a big tent over the capitol. instead today, i could see clearly, and it was magical, the tinfoil hat that they put over
the capitol. it positively bonkers. and think of the implication of the sign. the implication of the sign is racist. the idea that if we have these immigrants, whether it's getting here by amnesty or some long drawn out process, whether they rife here through legal means, if we allow immigrant into this country, america dies. >> michael: right. that's the thinking of the right, and i think there may have been immigrants that came here a few hundred years ago. keli goff 60% of republicans oppose a path to citizenship. boehner won't allow an immigration bill to get a vote unless a majority of republicans support it. should the gop just kiss their chances at the white house good-bye if this fails? and what about their seats as
well? >> my big question would be whether they plan on succeeding. because if they don't plan on leaving this country, they are in for a very rude awakening in the coming years, and that's not just me speaking that is lindsey graham one of their own who said they were in a demographic death spiral. according to pew between now and 2030, there will be a 20% growth in the voting age population among who? latinos. i would think that's a group of voters they may want to appeal to. and this type of behavior doesn't strike me as a friendly come vote for just we're a big tent type of party. and if you combine the voting age population growth among latinos and long with asian
americans and black americans, 26% of the growth is going to be among brown people. >> michael: it's almost mitt romney got 29% of the latino vote. it's almost like the three of us are a bunch of idiots for pointing this out to them. let's move on actually. robert muller said that the fbi is using drones, and this comes after the president tried to temper fears of the u.s.'s expanded security state in berlin today. how damaging is that testimony now? >> it depends, polling is not quite caught up with the fact that civil libber advertise may be in jeopardy here. for some reason americans seem to trust this stuff. whether it's the surveillance or the drones. i have a feeling that until it happens to a large number of americans, until they see a
drone in their backyard that nobody is going to care and that's unfortunate. >> michael: absolutely. >> but i think it's devastating. >> michael: yeah, i think it's devastating too, but it's a case of until it happens to you, maybe people aren't going to understand that. kelli you heard the president speak today. what did you think of that speech? >> well, i think he felt like the less said the better. but he talked about peace with justice, and a country that embraces libber advertise and rights, and doesn't suppress them. and karl is right the polling shows most americans are willing to compromise their civil rights for safety. but on the other hand the s
president's numbers are falling. so that is interesting. he is not returning for a third term and so -- >> michael: so he doesn't have to. that makes this even more interesting. so the politics and the polling doesn't matter as much in this case. rick kerry, the esteemed governor of texas -- >> lower case. >> michael: oh, yeah. lachg ned. t'ta aisn. iyoreir o t se olrepe o erxaon erguti, t tefe u bke tes urpptuty awts mha: eeworrs intoalfohe tas chm? >>he delveha fd thps w t df
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>> we are built from mouse pads shoe leather and hope and like move on dot org, we speak to strengthen the voice of our people, and like the founders of the republican we seek change and i ask also americans regardless of party to meet with me, to come together in common cause, to forge a new american century, help us to return high moral purpose to the united states of america. [ cheers and applause ] >> michael: words that inspired a lot of americans. sunday marks the ten-year anniversary of howard dean officially announcing his bid to retake the white house from george w. bush. the relatively obscure doctor turned governor, caught lightning in a bottle.
>> michael: how has online mobilization evolved since you pry neared it. >> i didn't pioneer it it was the 20 year olds that pioneered it, and we were smart enough to listen to them. i thought about this a lot. this was the coming of age of an empowered generation. and these young people really manufactured out of what -- what was the electronic equivalent of chewing gum and bailing wire this campaign apparatus. we had no facebook twitter or youtube. this was the first empowerment of this young generation which is now taking over everything and just in the nick of time. >> michael: i hear you allude to those 20 year olds and the shoe leather and all of that, but that is less progressive now? do you have any feeling that that is the case? >> i didn't think they were all that progressive to begin with
to be honest with you. most people would not accuse me of being a progressive. i was against the iraq war because it was a really dumb thing to do. we basically made one of our enemies, much, much stronger iran by doing what we did. what it took was courage to stand up against the establishment. and i am willing to stand up against tax cuts which bankrupted the country in a war which sent 5,000 brave american kids to die, and which was a very bad foreign policy choice. >> michael: i'm not so sure that many of those democrats aren't still unfortunately afraid of the republicans, and that is a really frustrating political fact. now the koch brothers are funding a hackathon this week.
it's an attempt to woo the democratic leaning tech crowd. are you worried you would lose some of your audience to the republicans? >> no, this generation is not interested in the things that the koch brothers stand for. they stand for corporate running of the country, and your ability to vote based on your money not who you are. they have funded multiple attempts to decertify working people. they have funded multiple attempts to make it more difficult for poor people, and people of color to vote. >> michael: let's talk about the younger generation and mobilization. you know, all of this surveillance news that's 2340u out there now, governor do you see that as possibly having a chilling effect on being able to mobilize over the internet? >> i do not. i think the biggest problem with
all of the internet spying if you will, is not so much the spying. i think if we had been asked if we said if this will save lives we'll go for it. and i think the president is coming to understand this the biggest problem -- this country is great because we are governed with the consent of the governed. and this program should have been thoroughly discussed with the american people before it went into place. we have to discuss what we're going to do in order to defend ours. you asked about young people being progressive. what they are is incredibly inclusive socially and somewhat libertarian economically and socially, and that's where republicans get lost, because they are basically corporatists. >> michael: i agree with you on
that. but you talk about the president learning his lesson i imagine the people at this netroots convention, they are progressively savvy, but there has to be a lot -- and i know it because i feel it and i have friends who are going to be there that feel it -- disillusionment with the president. how is that harnessed and do you really think the president has learned his lesson governor? >> i'm imagining he is. he is a smart guy, and i think he understands that this is a problem, not just with young people and progressives, this is a problem with libertarians. this cuts across the political spectrum. >> michael: of course. >> we tend to voice our disappointments more vocally than say the republicans who are more disciplined. there were plenty of people who
disagreed with george w. bush but didn't say much. and that's a good thing and bad thing. it makes our party more lively and honest, but it sometimes means the president is sometimes attacked, when it might be better to explain he needs to do something differently and then give him the opportunity to do that. >> michael: yeah, the other side's ability to march in lock step with one another is unbelievable to me. i want to take a listen to the end of the president's speech today. >> obama: this is the lesson of the ages. this is the spirit of berlin and the greatest contribute that we can pay to those who came before us is by carrying on their work to pursue peace and justice not only in our country, but for all man kind. >> michael: this is all nice theater, governor, but you are the former chair of the dnc,
what would you do to help get his agenda back on track. >> i think the first thing -- the nsa business is the most serious. i think -- as you know the polling has shown that people have concerns about trusting him. that has not happened before in his five years in office. he needs to explain exactly why we have this program and what it's doing for us. if he does that i think he's going to get full credit. secondly, he has to take the high road, of course but we need -- we facts are on our side. organizations like media matters, uncover the truth, and we're very lucky to have him. but he needs to call out republicans. republicans frequently put their party in front of the interest of the country, and he needs to call that out a little bit. and i think he has done something since he took office
for the second term. the republicans are not going to cooperate. they value their party more than the interests of the country. and he needs to point that out. >> michael: we all learned that, not just the president, because days later mitch mcconnell and his crew were saying we're going to be the party of no. nobody in the democratic knows more about the 50 states about running as the person who came up with the 50-state strategy, but talk to us about how the republicans may use this nsa issue against a candidate in 2016. it is looking ahead, but it seems like they are just letting the democrats flail here and letting the libertarians be upset in hopes they will come join them. >> they may have a candidate, rand paul who is against this.
i think the republicans have nothing. i heard your earlier segment -- or the earlier segment on climate change which i thought was terrific. the republican party is built on a group of falsehoods ideology and nonsense that's what they are pedalling. and we have to maintain a steady, tough, hard nosed, but very honest course about who we are. we are going to do things that progressives don't like and that's just inef have itable. but if you say what you think, and what you mean, and you stick to it, people really appreciate that honesty more than anything else. and the president has to hit these people where they are the weakest, which is their honesty. they are not honest with women, minorities, gay people, and they work to disadvantage those groups, and that's really very important. we're up to about 65% of the
electorate now. >> michael: i would argue that part of their problems is they are honest with women, immigrants, and gay citizens and that is part of their problem. >> well that could be. >> michael: the conversation is always better when governor howard dean is in it. thanks so much for your time. >> thanks very much. >> michael: coming up on the show, read the fine print. that sounds great, but there are not literally enough hours in the day to do so, as a clever new documentary points out. the director of "terms and conditions may apply" joins us next.
>> if you believe in state's rights but still support the drug war you must be high. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think that there is any chance we'll see this president even say the words "carbon tax"? >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned "great leadership" so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter). >> watch the show. >> only on current tv. >> michael: you are back inside "the war room." i'm michael shure. you know those long and complicated on-line legal contracts. those terms and conditions from apple or google that you quickly scroll through without reading
them. well, take a look at this. >> the 2009 game stitch a company in the uk put some sneaky stuff in their terms. for one day their terms stated . . . the contract was only live for a day, but game station happened to rake in the lives of 7,000 immortal souls. this of course is a joke however, it makes you wonder what if there are more serious consequences that might result from not reading terms and conditions. >> michael: according to the film director cullen hoback if we read every contract it would take us eight straight days to get through all of them.
what do they actually take from us? this light of the irs and prism scandals, this could not have come out at a better time. we welcome cullen hoback. >> right. it's really -- it's really vital what happened, and it was one of those things where i would talk to people about the issues surrounding the nsa and what has been going on for years and years. and it really took the smoking gun, edward snowden coming out and revealing something that everyone can understand. these phone records, oh my god, they are keeping records of everyone i ever called. and they can go back in time and look into those phone conversations. and that has woken everyone up which is great and really a
catalyst for change. >> michael: and what you focus on is what we all do just about every day, or at least a few times a week. what are we giving up when we quickly click on the accept terms. >> it can be anything and everything. even in the terms the other party, the company says they can change them at anytime. but in many cases, they take pretty much anything on their site in perpetuity. anything you do on there is virtually their property. this is the trade, right. nothing is free. >> michael: right, and we surrender this without even thinking. i want to take another look from the film. this shows what happens when these corporations give over your information to the government in the prism -- what we have come to know as the prism organizationr group.
let's take look. >> for the government to get informatiofrom google or facebook is a lot easier than the government doing it themselves. >> you have fought these powers into somebody's hands. >> if you have something that you don't want anyone to know maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. >> michael: eric schmidt sort of looks like the bad guy there, but this week they showed how they operate, and it doesn't look as bad as previously thought. >> they are trying to mitigate damage right now. they have lost a lot of trust with their customers or users, so they need to now say here is something -- here is at least a portion of what we're handing over. to the nsa and other government organizations. i think what is going on now is
all of these companies were required to sign non-disclosure agreements with the government and say, look, we can't talk about this program. so when you look at something like prism, it shows on their upstream data, and the rerouting of all of this information, which is what they have been doing for eight years now. and now -- now we're looking at this happening with -- with the question of direct access. but why in the world if they are able to already get this access to the upstream data would they also have that other option on there, as, oh well you have to make a request. >> michael: so it's not that they are out of the woods -- >> no. >> michael: keith alexander went
before congress yesterday. and he said prism has helped foil at least 50 terrorist plots. do you believe him? >> no. but i would love to see the examples of that. again, we have to ask ourselves, you know, could that have been achieved through other means? through traditional means. they know the email addresses of a lot of these suspicious characters. there's no need to record the data of every american. that's how they justify this. if we arget everything then we're not -- we're not being prejudiced. >> michael: exactly. and i sense the reason there is such ambivalence in this country about this is people think this has been going on for quite a while. what give you pause now when you are online? >> what are you going to do, right? you get the service or you don't, and if you want to be a
participant in modern society you have to agree. >> michael: yeah. >> we have to demand change from the government and change from these services. and i think ultimately what it comes down to is a word that sounds really -- you know nerdy i guess, which is data. but really data is our soul and we should have ownership over that. >> michael: we're all data. >> we have been turned into [ inaudible ]. >> michael: exactly. >> and that's what needs to change. >> michael: cullen hoback it sounds like a great film. and really, really good luck with it. the film is called "terms and conditions may apply." yesterday journalism lost michael hastings. he was a colleague and friend. went we coanchored programs on this network, we often agreed and spars. he emailed me after an argument
saying i totally disagree but good times. he told me he enjoyed being on the campaign plains. though as much as michael operated on his own, his passion and mostly preparation always put me at the top of my game. among the many journalist who cover politics clearly michael hastings never aloud affability to cover the truth. that type of journalism didn't die with michael, but it has never been more necessary than it will now. with the secrecy that comes from this white house and this political environment someone has to grag it. i cannot pretend i would do it as he did. but that person is always needed and there's now a huge hole in
journalism in the shape of michael hastings. most people are ez imly admonished to rest in peace, not michael. i did know him well enough to know that resting in peace would have seemed like a horrible idea to michael. so instead i'll thank him for always bringing the story. he will be missed. i want to brink in cenk uygur now. how are you? >> i'm okay. we're going to talk more about hastings today. we'll share his incites and apparently some of the press had decided to take pot shots at him including geraldo rivera and i'm not going to let him get away with that. >> michael: what will be missed most cenk by michael being
gone? >> how many reporters do we have that challenged the government challenged the pentagon et cetera? i think very, very few, and he -- i thought he was among the top three journalists in the country, so now he is gone and there aren't a lot of people ready to step up and pick up that baton that you were talking about, michael. it's not a little hole. it's aing giant hole in our press. we didn't have very many good fighters for the truth he was definitely among them. he was pointing out that a lot of people were heading in the other direction. >> michael: i think that's right. and cenk we will be watching on "the young turks" right after this program. thanks. we will be right back.
jacob lute. remember how it looked before he got the treasury top job? just a bunch of little loops. but now this is how lou's signature will appear on new u.s. paper currency. it is written like you can actually read it. did you now that of all of modern treasury secretaries, joseph barr's signature is on the least amount of currency. he appears on 458 million 880 thousand notes because of his short tenure. his's real legacy is in our political lexicon. he is credited with coining the phrase, taxpayer revolt. now we turn to brett ehrlich. >> i just absolutely floored by how awesome that trivia was. i love trivia like that.
you make me whole. >> michael: i'm glad. that's why i am here. why are you here? >> i'm here because there is a small girl in kansas that needs our help. she decided to sell dem today in for the purpose of forwarding teeth and love. who could have a problem with a message like that. well the place she was selling it was right across the street from the west burrow baptist church. they updated their marquette to say f word and neighbors, all burn in hell. lemonade won't cool any tongues. >> michael: they never run out of sweet things to say to everybody. tell us more from the brett ehrlich files. >> will lemonade cool tongues, i decided to go on location to
investigate that. i have a clip of my report on lemonade. >> let's see. >> ah. lemonade is quite refreshing. it works. >> michael: so it makes hell just great. >> very delightful. that's my report on lemonade it's fantastic. but there is another story that is fantastic as well. ann romney. ann romney was so close to being first lady and she was giving speeches on the today show and good morning america, talking to millions of people. what is she up to now, michael? you might ask? >> michael: can i just cut in? what is she up to now? >> good question. she is up to this. >> my name is ann romney. i'm here to express with the city of san diego's notice and procedure for development projects. >> she is before the city
council defending her car elevator in some kind of strange dispute involving permitting and the ability to update coastal villas to her liking. >> michael: i guess we are lucky she is not doing it in front of the d.c. city council. >> leviticus 8:21. the inhabited were vomited out of the land for committing such things as listed in leviticus, chapter 18. >> just to the other proceedings at that event. >> michael: look at who is hanging out with the 47%, how about that. brett thank you. someone is also in our "war room," check us out on current.com/thewarroom. cenk uygur will be up next with
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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: all right, welcome to "the young turks." obviously we'll have a full show for you guys, including what is building as my anger about some of the reaction to michael hastings passing. we'll show you some of his clips. some of the people in the press have seen fit to attack him in his death and i'm not all together that happy about that. we'll talk about that later in the program. in this segment we're going to talk about a couple of different things.
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