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yes a new it's a kind of culture will be over we are not suppose for what we are we're tremlett it unbelievable. the new sun media phenomenon starting october fifteenth on d w. as did every news coming to the wire from berlin angle america wins a fourth term as germany's chancellor but voters are also dealt a blow to the country's main parties. we've emerged as the strongest party of the c.d.u. with the c.s.u.
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it's now up to us to form a government and no government can be formed against us that's a positive spin on what looks like heavy losses for her party but she wasn't the only leader left looking sheepish fish out of there as for the buckeyes i have recommended to the s.p.d. leadership that we go into the opposition. merkel's main challenger marching scholz concedes defeat after projection results indicate the worst ever showing for the central lot of social democrats. and a triumph for the upstarts in german politics the far right alternative for germany . the end all we have been given a look at her own mandate and we will accept this electoral mandate which humility because millions of voters have given us their trust moral not and all of the evening's results with our correspondent in brussels the boss analysis here in the studio.
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i'm sarah harman welcome to the w special coverage of the german election uncle miracle has won a fourth term as chancellor but it has been a bruising night for the country's main parties both merkel's conservatives and the social democrats are projected to have suffered big losses meanwhile the far right of the night's big winners let's dive in now and take a detailed look at the numbers so far so here's the result as they stand it is midnight here in central europe and we can see in these projected results miracles conservatives taking about thirty three percent of the vote you see that in black bear the s.p.d. the central left forty twenty point six percent in red the left party nine point one percent the greens eight point nine percent the pro-business liberal f.d.p. ten point six percent and the populist a average d.
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thirteen percent of the vote they're set to enter parliament for the first time on a national level all the other smaller fringe parties here in germany collectively taking just under five percent of the vote so what do these results mean well let's put it in context first here's a look at how things have changed since germany last voted four years ago we can see that both the conservatives and the as p.d. those the black and red figures there have lost quite a bit eight point six and five point one percent meaning germany's mean stream parties were the big losers this time around the left party in the greens each gained about half a percent the winners this evening the f.t.p. up almost six percent that's the pro-business party here in germany and of course the far right populist a.f.d. up over eight percent this evening. so what does all of this mean for germany and for the world for some analysis i'm going to head over the table now talk with
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our parliamentary correspondent christopher spring day. it's great to have you here in the studio it's a big night for germany it looks like the political landscape has changed and we see those projected figures one of the takeaways from as elections there are loads of takeaways sara i'm going to give you for first of all chancellor merkel is paying the political price for open border policies back in twenty fourteen win over a million refugees were allowed to enter germany the country is still divided over how well over over whether that decision was correct and over how to deal with those refugees how to integrate them that's the first one the second one is the social democrats are in a desperate situation it's like a wounded animal lashing out martin short's the lead candidate in horrifically bad mood this evening the third take away that storm you've been talking about
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we've all been talking about for the first time in decades we have a nationalist right wing party in the german parliament and the fourth takeaway that i think is key is that for chancellor merkel building the next governing coalition of this country will be a very tough task are four points is a lot to break down here let's start with that coalition first why is the coalition going to be so tough it looks like the most likely. option for her is the so-called jamaica coalition it's called jamaica because it mirrors the colors of the jamaican flag so black for the conservatives yellow for the pro-business liberals the f.t.p. and green for the environmentalist greens now the problem is that the the greens and the liberals come at each other from. opposing sides of the political spectrum so for instance the greens they want to have coal fired power stations close down the s.t.p. will be against that the greens want to have a wealth tax the f.t.p.
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want or want tax cuts of up to thirty billion so it's going to be very difficult to get those two small parties who will be keen to sharpen their profile and in a governing coalition together in two into one coalition a tough task it will take weeks possibly months oh dear ok so there's a long road ahead for america and for eventual coalition partners there's not a lot of crowds lost a lot of support we heard martin scholz the party leaders say out of the gate he's not going to be part of a coalition government with conservatives where does that leave them well they have a structural problem i have a statistic over here. that you see i've lost it no here it is back in the year two thousand and thirty seven percent of germany's voters were blue collar workers today that statistic is nineteen percent which is roughly what the s.p.d. got in this election so their traditional voting base is simply disappearing and they need to somehow i believe they probably will go into opposition they need to
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somehow rejuvenating find new issues that will convince. an electorate to give them more than twenty percent closer to thirty percent. that is something that martin schultz the lead candidate just didn't manage to do there are challenges that germany is facing he was not able to paint a convincing vision of where he would take germany right he didn't convince voters this time around what about the f.d.a. they picked up a lot. absolutely just over thirteen percent that is shocking to many germans who you know have. spent decades atoning for the crimes of the nazi era and here is a party now entering the german parliament with hardline nationalists with revisionists with conspiracy theorists racists anti semites and that is going to
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mean that many to abuse are going to be broken in the german parliament over the next four years i think that the silver lining is that. it's going to make the the mainstream parties work harder in parliament it's going to breathe fresh air in a sense into into parliamentary debates it's going to make them work harder at winning the argument and solving the issues of the picture you paint every act is not a pretty one we've got racist we've got anti-semite why did thirteen percent of germans vote for them. but this brings us back to. refugee policies there are you know many germans supported her for that she won international acclaim for it but almost an equal number of germans thought it very controversial day short is a loss of control they were you know there are people who are simply. foreigners arrive it puts the fear of god into them. so it that vote was basically a vote rooted in fear rooted in worries about crime about being able to integrate
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these people and there was one statistic that was interesting of all the voters who voted a f.t. sixty percent of them did not because they want to devote the f. fifty they did so because they were disappointed with the approach of the mainstream parties so it really was a protest vote a protest about what's going to have some big implications for the german bundestag christopher springeth thanks for breaking down some of the more complex issues in this election you're welcome here. that's the view here in germany now we want to get the european reaction from our brussels bureau chief max hoffman who joins us now on the program max good evening to you will it be business as usual in brussels with the new coalition government on the horizon in berlin it really depends on the coalition but if it really happens to be to make a coalition then of course here in brussels people are looking very closely especially at one party in that coalition which will be the liberals the f.d.p.
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because they have voiced criticism harsh criticism you could say about some of the plans that the new french president a man who might cause put forward for us and foremost a euro zone budget and there's even a story that's been transported in french media where they say that my call behind closed doors has said if the f.t.p. is part of the german government then i am done that might be a little exaggerated but still yes there is anxiety and some even say what was starting to be the german french engine again might be in danger ok max what about numerical herself she's been a strong leader for europe but she's lost a lot here at home can choose to look spec to hold that position on the european stage she's still the chancellor and the chancellor of the most powerful economy in the european union and so there is built in leadership there the question of course is what kind of wiggle room does she have what will she be able to do within that
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coalition she might not be able as i just said to follow mccraw as much as she would like to keeping that in mind she's still the most seasoned most experienced politician leader in the european union and that has to count for something now right what about the a.f. days influence in german politics do you think that's going to make things harder on european level. well indirectly maybe of course safety won't be part of any german government but they have one within the strict anti immigration course they have won many votes and you know what's happening to germany now has happened in many other european countries before just think of france with the money in the pen in some countries the right wing populist or even power for example hungary with their prime minister viktor orban and you know it's not inconceivable to think that he will go up to meddle next time he sees or see told you so told just so better words there are right max hoffman thanks for giving us the view from brussels this
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evening with the s.p.d. rolling out a grand coalition one party that could be set to play a role in germany's next government is the greens they increased their vote shared almost nine percent but the party's cochairman jim its tamir was circumspect about the night's results. jemison mia you've missed one of your goal is to become third strongest party but at the same time you were better than last time which was also a goal is that enough to have this good mood here but of course i'm happy about our election result but at the same time after it makes it i'm very unhappy with the election result of the a fifty we're living in a divided country so that brings along responsibility for all of us to take over responsibility to deal with debt divided society and everybody means everybody that includes the social democrats i don't think this is the time to say that we don't talk everybody has to be ready to take over responsibility. coming back to your own party you already said you have to talk is this now
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a moment where the other parties have to join forces and form this john my coalition for the first time it depends on content it's the same what was said during the election campaign and nothing has changed we are to party and the election results proves me right that is fighting against climate change so without a clear policy for de carbon ization i cannot enter a coalition second we're pro european that means no anti european policy with the green party that's impossible for us and the first point is a just society so this is the framework and if we see movement towards our direction we're ready to take over responsibility and if not we're taking over our seats in opposition when was the last word to the f.t. you have already mentioned it what would be the strategy and what went wrong first of all that they got that strong and what's your strategy to deal with them now i think we have to deal with the problem so there are problems with integration policy there are problems with islam islam but we have to do it in
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a way that doesn't divide our society and it doesn't target people and therefore it's clear democrats have to stay together and i don't think we will get stiff the smaller if we take over their language as some politicians have done that only strengthens them thank you very much. and hand it over to gary hart now who has two very special guests with him as well as coalition talks are starting right now right here on d.w. because my guests tonight represent the two parties that hold the key to the next german government constantine called the chairman of the use organization of the f.t.p. the liberal party and maybe a freshly minted member of the bundestag you know whether you've made it in we don't know yet and we have to wait until all the votes are counted and we know about it ok and if your fingers crossed for you and on the other side more as hollaback a spokesman of the youth organizations of the green party tonight so the two junior parties in the much vaunted jamaica coalition that german system is just nearly
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ruled out first question to you what about jamaica. all democrats have to talk with each other but i don't see. the point where we share with the liberals and with. christian democrats especially with a crystal social democrats because. of area they have very radical they had very anti creation policies in their campaign and that's something we koreans pro migration are not able to to get along with well it's not just for coalition we have to talk we have to talk and then we have to see if it works i don't have fantasies that we will live together but let's fantasies. about you have your fantasies to you know for coalition with agreed first of all we're happy to be back in the four years in
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a situation where we didn't have one single member of parliament so we learned during these four years that we shouldn't be too fast when it comes to entering a coalition so these negotiations if there are negotiations which we don't know yet wouldn't be easy they wouldn't be fast so we should be very careful in terms of entering the coalition and entering negotiations without knowing what the concrete issues would be and i always know where it is that you are very very far apart on europe for example we just heard it and what do you say to that is there any is there any room for negotiation i believe there is room for negotiation but i believe that europe is not the biggest issue of division between the greens and the liberals there are some issues where we would agree for example the fact that we need more formal for more financial means in the education system we need a new migratory law in germany that would be an issue where we agree but if i look at the issues like taxation for example if i look at environmental and see that
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would be huge differences but i also want to point out that the greens themselves may be similar to the conservatives. germany do have different groups within their party there are greens i could get along with the beautifully and that wouldn't be problem at all but on the other hand they are as it was mentioned before people in the green party in favor of well thinks in favor of a higher inheritance tax which wouldn't be an issue for us what's the biggest issue a what's a no go area in the f.t.p. program where you would say as a green there's no coalition constantly already said i think taxation is one big point we always talk about a just society society where we have injustice at the moment. we have high very high childhood child poverty in germany and that's something we have to fight against we have to invest in our future of the young generation we have to invest in europe and that's all things which cost money and we need money somewhere
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and i would say we have to tax the richest people in general because we tax them lots of ash in other european countries you agree i don't in the economic data are better than other european countries and maybe it's because we have some issues in our tax system and so you don't want to tax the rich i do want to tax the rich but i don't want to tax the more than we do right now and we do have a thirty two billion surplus in the german budget right now is to should maybe start by talking about what to do with these thirty million and that would be an issue in negotiations because there are three things you can do with a surplus you could give it back by lowering the taxes you could pay back the debt which we have already been doing in several german states or we should talk about investments which isn't which is an issue but then the issue is or the question would be whether the shares of the surplus that we spent on which on which topic and that would be something to talk about another point of contention migration you think you could come together that well it depends it depends on what we're talking
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about if we talk about the fact that there has. to be a new common european approach on a migrant migratory policy i think there are there is some common ground to start an exaggeration but if we talk about the think the fact that if people come from different regions of the world and probably a civil war in a certain region of the world ends they have to go back there if i were you know some. no no not ali the problem is that the liberals had with their leader christian and in the campaign strong right wing positions from time to time and where i think we don't come together in. policy is hide. migration policy like migration on the ground because we want local justice we want to help in these regions and not fences and that's something i can see with you
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we're taking everything that you want quote. i would say we should go to the region to help in the regions very important thing and we have to think about our trade policy yeah why do we trade with countries who have bad that human rights situation that's something we have to talk i would just welcome more honesty by the greens there are deportations right now executed by green interior ministers by green prime ministers in the states of germany they are doing that and they are part of the current migration policy that we do in germany if we enter into negotiations that we have to be more more honest the i do believe that we have to help and regions but i also believe there has to be a regulation and there has to be for example a safe way to get from northern africa for example from the arab world to germany if there is. a way to seek asylum for example. last question. if the how do you propose to treat them in the bundestag. we say
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we should not be normalized we shouldn't. work together with them no way we i my expectation from our members of parliament is that they take anti fascism into the parliament and fight. also in the parliamentary debate very briefly always would you treat them i want to bait with them because in each and every debate i have had with an a if the member they have been no points no no substantial points. brought up by them and i'm very happy to see what they what they have and their having to show that populism is not the right thing to solve the problems we face right now consider who the most over thank you very much that we're going back to south thank you so much gary hart we've had a lot of talking and now it's time to get a look at some others also some of the facts and figures that would come out of
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this year's election here in germany let's begin now by taking a look at voter turnout turnout is traditionally quite high in germany and we can look now at how things played out this year. well you can see up on this graphic almost seventy six percent of germans thought it was worth their time to go out on a sunday and cast a ballot that's nearly five percent more than voted last time around in twenty thirteen we can also take a look at some voter migration patterns so where are the votes coming from and going from we know that the a.f.d. got thirteen for some of the vote and a lot of those votes seem to have come from former conservative party voters so people who in the past have said i support miracles conservatives have changed and started voting for the far right a.f.d. more than a million of those votes for the a.f.d. came from four more conservative voters roughly half a million came from the center left party the s.p.d.
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and slightly less four hundred thirty thousand from the left party much smaller numbers they're coming from the greens the f.d.p. but it's important to remember that over a million of the votes were taken from the conservatives it was a lot of credence to this theory that the i have d. votes were perhaps a protest vote against miracles migration policy we can also take a look at which germans voted and for whom we've got a heat map here to show you where the a.f. to support is coming from geographically now look over here here in the east of the country we've got a lot more blue and that means a lot of the f.t.'s support is coming from eastern germany the support is still relatively weak here in western and southern germany traditionally the wealthier parts of the country but here in the east where people sometimes feel they've been left behind economically the a.f.d. did quite well. we've got a few other facts and figures for you we can also show you an east west split of
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help people vote and again we see here the a.f.d. polling so much stronger in eastern germany that in western germany the left party as well which is left over from the former communist party in eastern germany also doing much better in the east so it gives you an idea of how germans are voting regionally now voters have put the a.f.d. on tract under german parliament for the very first time that got thirteen percent of the votes based on our projected results and the party that lead candidates alexander gowland and vital have made headlines with provocative comments about migration and nationalism but many a lesser known members have also courted controversy here's your chance to me a few of them. thomas is a state prosecutor he's described refugees as invaders and called miracles open border policy
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a quote prelude to the extermination of the germans. that's of spunk and is from saxony and is on record as wanting to reestablish german borders along the one nine hundred thirty seven lines he's also been confirmed to have cooperated with the east german secret police the stasi to expunge story the deputy leader of the day she spread fake news about the current justice minister heiko and called for him to be thrown in jail got freed koori oh he's the second on the day national list he says muslims will push germans out of their homeland and called merkel a quote smuggler queen accusing her of wanting to crawl to turkish president aired on with a headscarf on. home from lower saxony is on record saying quote the holocaust must remain a myth a dogma that should be excluded from historical research.
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or almost to the end of our special election program here on when i take the opportunity to take another look at the results as they stand almost twelve thirty here in central europe just after midnight here's a look at the results as we have them in this year's german parliamentary elections you can see the conservatives there in black america conservatives polling at around thirty three percent the center left party b s p d shown in red and they're just over twenty percent the left party polling at around nine percent that's depicted in pink the greens around nine percent the pro-business f.t.p. we have in yellow there for you ten point seven percent. almost at thirty thirteen excuse me thirteen percent for the a.f.c. in blue all the other smaller parties are shown collectively in gray they will be entering the bonus on this year how is things. excuse me how have things changed
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since well last time around when germany voted in two thousand and thirteen here's a look at what's changed and what's stayed the same we can see here on this graph that the same thing you and the s.p.d. have both lost out germany's mainstream parties appear to be the big losers in the twenty seventeen election the left party and the greens have both gained ever so slightly but the big winners a saving of the f.t.p. they're up six percent and the a.f.d. they're up eight percent that's how things stand at this hour we'll be updating you throughout the course of the evening you're watching news now live from berlin don't forget you can always find the latest election figures on our web site that's d.w. dot com we'll leave you now with some images of the winners and losers of germany's big election night.
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