tv Doc Film - Crime Novels and the Third Reich Deutsche Welle January 6, 2018 7:15pm-8:01pm CET
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that matters w made for mines. inconceivable atrocities took place in the nazi era. three european authors have written very successful crime novels and the third time. so why is this a fitting shondra for writing about this chapter of german history. shapes. who are the people i wrote in new our novel about paris during the
occupation because the french know very little about those years should. and even less about the collaboration with the nazis the almost this city itself becomes a protectionist in the novel a bit too much of a moment it was a violent time. in some parts of paris people were partying while in other parts they were starving for no good no he's a quintessential elements of the war fiction but we're not allowed to sell stew for money. because of the prize because of the fine my republic because of the nazis because of the cold war i think has been probably the most courteous changing city's most interesting city to write about was the must have you said from the point of view of the crime writer hoping that anywhere and so this did the right. thing by the body by
a boy in berlin the final years but the most exciting time after that because of your apart from the economy everything was flourishing intellectual and cultural life and science all of that ended up promptly ninety three it's almost impossible to explain this cultural breakdown which was ultimately to wreak havoc on the entire world the crime novelist the best medium for understanding this period but the best to read. philip was the first to create a german police inspector who works in the third. is based in berlin. after the nazi takeover and high stock fire the nature of policing changed opposition politicians were rounded up. a man with drafted in to work as exhilarate
police. increasingly jews became a target of persecution. in his novels kermit is history and fiction. boss is detective superintendent. a modern police officer who introduced the use of crime scene forensics he was also the inspiration for superintendent in fritz lang's film. only now. a. curse started out as a copyright. in london in the one nine hundred eighty s. first office so one moment smile face when. that was the agency i worked in before i went to work. for a subject such. so yeah i worked in there for. four five
years. across the street from because former office is the london library kill was bored by advertising work so he turned to studying. and writing crime novels. i was very lucky because i mean you know. working there and having this library here. that seemed like a really you know lucky shot every year i was gone it was like. and i could be over here for an hour and nobody would notice. a sleeve my coat hanging on the back of the chair i come in here yeah exactly. do you. miss the so the first place. the end.
and i said to him interested in the whole phenomenon of for the nazi revolution and i wanted to understand it better and once i started to read german philosophy i i sort of started to get much more interested in how it all happened he's a kind of extension of me in a lot of ways he's big he's grumpy he's misanthropic. he's some decent he's temperamentally unemployable. your mo he's got a very dark sense of humor as i have got a very black sense of humor myself but i find that some. i find that chimes with bell in itself and it i think berlin is have a free a very dog sense of humor a cruel sense of humor. perhaps it's me growing up in scotland that neighbor the scots have a very cruel sense of humor and they're cruel people. and say the cruelty comes out in the humor i think really and that's that in
a way it's the it's the humor that makes it possible for the writer to get through the book without committing suicide. writer and former journalist lives in cologne. his first crime novel was published in german in two thousand and seven it was the start of an award winning series about cologne native. who also works as a police inspector in berlin. carry on heart is a typical cologne native the church is important for him and carnival season is even more important he's not as catholic as his parents think he should be but he's more catholic than he realizes he's actually sort of agnostic his attitude is typical of his home city. maybe there is a god so we should live our lives in a way that we just that we can to have and. that's also how german comedian you're going back or put it in a grade of d. minus is good enough it's not immortal fear me knows i.
could turn in contrast to philip kurtz begins his work in the weimar republic. he's interested in how inspector hot deals with a transitional from democracy to dictatorship. and his fifth case qantas in cologne for the famous monday carnival parade. in one nine hundred thirty three mayer khan had ordered the removal of swastika flags from the streets. the parade motto was con of a like it used to be. but not the flags were everywhere one year later and racist and anti-semitic themes also featured increasingly on the flights this reached its india in one thousand
nine hundred eighty nine. that here there will be gas. and by nine hundred forty five colonial a in ruins. but in one thousand nine hundred eighty three cotswold was still in pretty good shape he even had a fling after all it was khan of all time. influence i think in those days things weren't as permissive as they are today still at the carnival celebrations guys could find a girl everyone was in a party mood auto so found a woman but unfortunately he was already engaged that was not exactly appropriate with them so wasn't.
rice and former historian dominic minority lives in paris. and the first crime novel was published in the one nine hundred ninety five. in two thousand and four she released her darkest novel yet which describes the brutal activities of the french to stop and during the occupation. david i get i don't get up coming up this shows it is a it was important at the beginning of the war the first thing the germans did was march down the boulevard. if throughout the occupation they paraded here every morning he. said in my novel there's a scene that takes place at the end of the war as. it describes an endless procession of damaged tanks and very young soldiers a big this. is where exhausted many are
wounded. and they're on their way home. testing foot this is the cover of the paperback edition photo. at the photo shows paris residence during the occupation they're standing under swastikas and flags and fraternizing with the germans in effect at his su. well known you can see a champagne glass in the foreground. the atmosphere is very relaxed it shows ordinary people having a great time. the nazis chief carrots and economics is a vice squad inspector who works undercover for the resistance and is in radio contact with london. he frequents the glamorous parisian salons and observes firsthand how easily the germans are corrupting french society. he
knew his he still. he belongs to both the resistance and the police he has to play a street in conspicuous character at all times the use of force into playing this role he has to appear completely insignificant. but under normal circumstances he wouldn't be like that at all. knowing the condition. in a book might not he also writes about a massacre of young resistance fighters that was carried out by the french in august one thousand forty full. week. well that actually happened in one event sense. but i moved it to the board of law and. all novel writing is politics it's a huge luxury to be able to write about you know the worst people in history
heidrick and go balls and himmler people like that they are it's like race like dracula i mean the these are wonderfully villainous or for people to write about that are beyond invention nudo novelists could invent a character as we could as hydra. this is general pace was one of the main architects of the holocaust incurs first novel march violets going to me titus who sends him to the concentration camp as an undercover agent it's a painful experience for bernie. in later books had evolved into his make the step. to this was fully capable of being a loving father and a brutal police functionary the czechs called him the blond beast.
part of this was assassinated in prague in the one nine hundred forty two in his novel prague fatah hydrate has bernie's lover checks by brutally tortured in his presence. so that scene came around because i just wanted to remind people of what these who these people were and what they did to people what they were capable of doing to people you know so but equally the method that they used to interrogate that go is what the cia are doing today. so that's why it's there you know the nazis invented waterboarding or probably they didn't but they were certainly very effective at doing it so you know you with all these stories he wanted to be a kind of something that resonates in the modern world. in january nine hundred forty two highways presided over the vines
a conference on the final solution to the jewish question then it was decided that most of the jews in german occupied europe would be deported to poland and murdered kurt has come here to do research movies of the. worst of the worst. and he sees this. he's wearing when he done after the war was declared he did a lot of time in the in the luftwaffe. he became first bullet came a real gun. in the buff and went on bombing in. norway. and he really enjoyed it and he just enjoyed seeing the back machine gunning. another of his nazi era crime novels focuses on
a fictional police conference that was held five months after the monthly conference. is dead by then and s s she chairs the conference which is also held at the van they've all on. the same time the international crime of the century was being committed by many of the people sitting in the room and it just struck me as she always loved these kind of ironies of history i love the sort of the bits between the lines of history that we don't know about i mean it was trite most people is absurd that they would they would do that but that's exactly what they did so you know here where we're standing now there would have been in july nine hundred two there were the bean policeman from all over you are standing here having a cigarette i mean cup of coffee and then going in there and having lectures from various policeman and one of whom in the novel will be pentagon for. so
bernie us turn up and make a speech in there so that's really what i was after i'm standing in that window thinking that's where he stands that's where the speech occurs and then we come up here and i have a cup of coffee he's introduced to somebody who will be pivotal in the rest of the story who's a swiss policeman. in one nine hundred forty the nazis occupied paris. minorities main character is the head of the french kostopoulos pierre bonnie a highly decorated police officer and he controls all of paris together with former gangster all the love for. both our collaborators and criminals those who oppose them fall out of windows will simply vanish for ever he'll need. to guess that before we hear it ninety three rouleau are you still think that because this was an infamous address during the occupation that it was the headquarters of the french
to stop oh yes the people that you're giving here. in the lobby of whitney is building where bonnie and la phone had their offices was called la carolina or the cockpit minimill you. see i see that this building witnessed many dreadful crime us who you see many people were tortured here has a book now. the french just topple was a key element of the collaboration structure and that they could be and i think they don't mean you because. you see only because this is this you know. this is the plus does it has any just a few steps away. day the frame like a stop a prison was located here at number three. on his nerves were kept here between interrogations before they were turned over to the germans i've owned and even it's
at the top of a mess. only about twenty meters away from the gestapo prison at number eleven is the otel dunno why you during the war it housed one of the liveliest literary and artistic cellphones in paris. he there were two big cell phones one was run by florence the other by madame don't know why you. know i. wasn't the buildings are close together was every time i come here i'm struck by the contrast and it reminds me that people must have known what was happening here again your plea they could not have ignored it and this is where it all took place memorable who are now this year they extravagant parties and their that torture and death. memo and the buildings were right next to each other. the french upper class completely accepted the s.s. and they were mocked they don't mean the s.s.
men were more popular because their uniforms were much more attractive uniform that black is a lot more becoming than field gray. a pretty young because. the chief collaborators came to an inglorious and the demonstrate bandon them when they pulled out of paris. when la phone was taken prisoner after the liberation he said i spent. four years surrounded by orchids tell you send bentleys it was worth it for a phone was the rest of the day paris was liberated and was executed immediately as you shave eat the eggs it could be up to. the his stance resistance means admitting that terrible things happened. in the shoes. if you don't talk about them you allow them to happen again.
yes this isn't the first sentences are really important just like the last one is you not just in the novel as a whole but in each chapter two that's the sentence i've got now is ok it's ok it definitely gets you into the scene but how i'm going to start the book because well i can read it as it's kind of foolishness. the room was full of people muttering
and clouds of cigarette smoke max hansen's voice created from the phonograph speaker. then comes a quote from hanson books and yet. here give. me a single. believe in him and. how can i continue my daily routine when i realize that everything around me is jane ging radically throws up the shaft i've got to be careful there's no more rule of law for them and it isn't easy to fall into the clutches of a wild pack of essay wolves that bush didn't need one would never stick his neck out like phillip because benny going to no way to know what he said totally different kind of character sometimes i wonder how good to could have survived back then rod might have a big mouth in charlie's present but never around anyone from the s.s. o.s.a. it was if we had was as they can all go projects i used to carefully plot out
everything as you should do with crime stories. the plot is really important but lots of ideas come to you while you're writing and that's great it's surprising how many of these ideas you can use and how things work out differently than i'd imagined and that's not so bad because if i can surprise myself hopefully i can surprise my readers as well at least that's what i'm striving to achieve for stuff was he getting most of. this is what gave you my heart will look like any new graphic novel. does this year and your comic all soon this is how the artist imagine same effect of being for them here's gary on in front of his headquarters on berlin's alexanderplatz in the press and that's barely house. you can see the stop lights and power lines and of course a cigarette you better gary all never leaves home without you want.
with all novels. the especially novels written in the first person are the i. the eye makes it more personal it's like you yourself meeting goebbels your self or having to shake his hand and have a meeting at a coffee and a cigarette with gerbils and you yourself are having to be careful about what you say so hopefully the choices that conversation brings you to. brings bernie to the same choices that the reader would have which is you know how do i say how do i if this person what they want but without compromising my moral my my true moral inner self how do i do that how do i. not do everything he wants without ending up dead and so you know these are the things that interest me as a as
a writer how to be how to walk that tightrope. more. girls was famously. want to. seem to have had an affair with many actresses. principally one called leader my robot but he got a bit of a reputation as a ladies' man and it wasn't just the sort of rest of the third reich that made jokes about about his sexual. appetites it was it was pretty much sober living. and of course being in control of germany's film industry which was based here was like sort of. putting this you know. effect kid in charge of a sweet shop really wasn't perhaps the best thing that could. could have happened.
and cast early crime novel a quiet flame ban me boldly climbs into the flask of yours if god is in the bathroom he leaves behind a most unpleasant calling card. i was asked myself what i would do you know i'm going to guess that's what i would have done a fight but i found myself in goebbels his bathroom you know i did yeah use the toilet and then flush it and. i'm going to as i think i probably told you earlier i'm going to sort of naturally dark sense of humor. is what makes writing about nazi germany. from a detective point of view so interesting because nobody's well they seemed. just from a point of view and from
a point of view of survival that quite often the good the good guys aren't what they seem to be because they have to pretend not to be good guys it's like bernie as old as i mean i've always been a big fan of his era the one nine hundred twenty s. and thirty's the berlin of the new york jets tipitina's mint and american gangsters from the twenty's and thirty's. and for her that's a good device to go front of you most of us in the end of it i've always found them fascinating he does but i got the idea of combining the two after watching two fields with my favorite searched on the bush. road one was road to perdition with tom hanks which came out around ten years ago. and he did enough to me for government i was the other was with fritz lang's am on the shoulder honest i thought and it takes place in one thousand nine hundred eighty one the same year that the film was made on. the road to perdition also
takes place in one nine hundred thirty one but was shocked about seventy s. later when a lot i could do it would be. right there that. all of them. how did he take. you back to mike in the world featured in the road to perdition and the world of one nine hundred thirty s. berlin it was a contemporaneous visit so why don't match them that's how i got the idea for giving them oddities. the british aspect definitions the political aspect germany's political development is now the most important thing for me the v.f.s.
saw the idea to follow the course of this development it was the second step and. then i had the idea to create a series that goes beyond ninety thirty three instead of having these gangs of stories take place before nine hundred thirty three in a more or less normal society i think the mine shaft i wanted to use the crime novel to show how society changes because it of and for that for me much to anybody in no madhu crime novels usually try to restore things to the status quo especially evil should be punished and locked away and gave me on does this the best he can he says but this is ultimately futile in the third reich it's the criminals he's hunting up both the murderous and his superiors you know and he's in a rather bizarre situation and this is what i wanted to trade in chicken with. rick. i have vivid memories of the third man it's wonderful and i always try to imagine those scenes
when i write. these you and sometimes i imagine scenes in black and white. film noir has had an enormous influence on me. that's. what the book. minority also it. this is the fact that many french artists including john cook told admired they german counterparts people like hitler's favorite sculptor. cook doorway. and was a major collaborator he organized the big breaker exhibition in paris in one thousand nine hundred two and wrote an introduction for it. who was fascinated with erotica visited the exhibition. he said it's a good thing statues don't have erections otherwise there'd be no room to move
around. according shasta swapan there takes you up a schoolboy purposely going to. because publisher is based in new york. and when his books come out in the u.s. he travels around the country to promote them this time because wife jane time has come along americans love his blend of nazi horror and hard boiled detective fiction. there's only one thing worse than being an american bookstore and that's not being off today with america but. because it's like it's it's. there's a lot of adrenaline and it's a performance. in
new york he makes an appearance at a small but well stocked book store that specializes in crime novels the mysterious bookshop. unlike his colleagues doesn't care much for standard readings he prefers to talk about his latest books. over the years i've learned a lot off a lot about this period and you know you read about one concentration camp or another or the holocaust and i became aware of the existence of this place in the former yugoslavia which was called just the end of the center for each wasn't just the death count it was a murder and cruelty and killing cap. and that the cruelties that were practice there were unspeakable i'm not going to give into details but they put this way it was so bad that your original s.s.
detachment who'd been sent. back to berlin and said look can we leave this place it was so bad even the s.s. didn't want to be there bags how bad it was. there's a kind of a train parked in this field it was the death train rather like the sort of train that arrived auschwitz men women and children were taken off this train and they were they went on this little ferry across a river and on this island there were all these people waiting to murder them with axes and. and beheading is become a kind of a phenomenon that we've become we've become very familiar with in in the newspapers of late. these yugoslavian roman catholic priests who were principally responsible for getting. nazi war criminals out. and there was nobody worse than
these people i think they probably killed. between eighty and one hundred thousand people on this little island roman catholic priests anyway that was the other thing why i want to write about the yugoslavs and the croats because it's common as soon that it was the germans. who. killed people and we forget the role played by some of the other races in europe like like the crow and so. there have been auschwitz because i mean there's no scene in there's not really a scene in the book which is set out if there had been i would have got not yet well no i don't think there will be actually because i feel i would feel probably uncomfortable writing about it because i feel that. if it was something that was so awful i think you know to try and describe it i don't think unless you've been there you kind of earned the right
probably to write about it if you've been there but i think you haven't really read the right to write about it if you hadn't been there. and i had to say it was difficult because when i wrote from zagreb i had to go to this place this awful concentration camp. in bosnia called years and verge and. i felt i had to get permission from the people who had died there so i sort of stood in the sounds melodramatic but that's how it felt or stood in the cattle the the wagons had transported the people on the train. the train is there so you can actually stand in these cattle cars and feel what it must have been like so i felt i had to sort of you know pray almost to the people and say look if i'm right about this i promise i will not you know it's trivialize this and i promise i will
be your. chart. when it was ok. i professed you know pretty good oh well you see you may want to see your weather front camera. now you've been to see what you're about the qualities of thank you. every. time there's. a thank you so much. for. paris august nine hundred forty four the city's new german commander general details from cultists has earned his
respect by leveling sebastopol with the so-called col c. took on. hitler demanded that paris suffer the same fate. but fun call to ignore what his order is by then he had decided that hitler was insane. some reports say that hitler phoned the general in a rage and screamed is paris burning. not he writes about the battles between resistance fighters and german troops in the final days of the occupation. hundreds were killed in the fighting. one caught it surrendered his troops on august twenty fifth.
later that day general shell de gaulle arrived in paris as the leader of the provisional government of the french republic. the german up. of the french capital . they also started punishing alleged. french women who had fashioned with german soldiers who publicly humiliated this was the beginning of a partial rewriting of the history of the war but minority refuses to accept this interpretation. politics so many things happened it's time to come clean. in any case war has always been waged on the bodies of women. when you conquer a country you rape the women. in
order to liberate the country you shave the heads of women. may not have slept with germans. such uncivilized things didn't happen in the upper echelons. so. it was a way to deal with the horror of the war. and to create a morally superior version of the past the. victim. crime novels because they represent my dark view of the world the war and the period of collaboration are perfectly suited for crime novels. that . there's another pressure increased bit by bit more success means more pressure and you grow into it and buxom it up to the office and i'm glad that my first novel
babylon berlin wasn't immediately a huge success i'm going to have otherwise i would have had to keep chasing that success possibly even under bush going to grass did that his whole life because of the tin drum. it was kind of tragic. luckily i didn't suffer the same fate though i'll never win a nobel prize. this is. the one of the earliest forms of writing ever this is about five thousand years b.c. . and these little marks on it were written by. an architect and these things east to the east put them in little holes in the bill in the building that they'd made and it was a description of who the architect was and it was like a little autobiography or a little. like a little brass plaque on the wall. that's
right and it you know i think it's good to have a really early writing in front of you when when you're doing this because it just reminds you that really. it's the only thing if you that will maybe lost. so much money and. i'm going out. my character meeting me would be a pretty horrific experience he'd almost certainly hate me. because i've ruined his life you know he would have had a good life for me this is the ambivalent relationship writers have with their characters because they know in their bones inside themselves they know their
character would hate them. and mine would certainly hate me. stairs if i was at a time like you ask yourself what would i have done back then and but you don't have an answer with your life you can come close to an answer through the novel certainly through the situations that your characters get themselves into through their actions and development and we can all. be untrue but you'll probably never find an onside and. this is a maybe so not necessary. but it's good if some readers think about it it's all on his own and ask themselves the same questions that we do you know i mean what would i have done back then i said it and i was going to. leave the best way to understand writers is through their books this meeting was very nice but the book reveals all i. see the evil.
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