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tv   Interview - Niklas Frank The Germans must have known where things were...  Deutsche Welle  August 26, 2018 10:15pm-10:31pm CEST

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world ideas the protect the climate boost clean energy solutions and reforestation . using interactive content to inspire people to take action google audience the series of global three thousand on t.w. and on mine. side i'm here with nicholas khan son of hunts frank who was executed as a war criminal at the member trials to talk about how he and how germany deals with its nazi past thank you thank you for letting us visit you want to vacation there. have hunks mr frank and you have a common name it's not him or gerbils you could have hidden behind it but you chose to come out as the son of a murderer of the why out it i wanted to ask
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a time. well the initial reason was that i was increasingly by the stubborn silence here in germany on the nazi crimes and the complicity of ordinary people. i just couldn't take it anymore. so i told myself it was time to talk about how a family that i a pimple on into just by coincidence could because of the father's career loses all its morality. fully. in this in the new book you wrote the book in the shadow of the right published in one thousand nine hundred seventy five the german title translates as a reckoning what kind of reckoning it will do so maybe you have to score to settle with him. it was like a son trying his father confronting him with everything i had found out about him. with the ring in the book i address him directly to argue my case that although he
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was a highly educated man he was a real criminal who meant. nuclear foreplay. if your father was governor general of occupied poland and in berlin there was a saying about him france lies in the west and the east makes frank rich what did that imply. spirit of do you know we called it refers to the vast corruption and the way my mother and father both in rich themselves by appropriating evolution jewish property. that was its origin. in one of these still carry the picture of your father after is death by hanging neatly may not always but when i wear my jacket i keep it close for two reasons. one is to be sure that is really the dog why the other is that it's more and more like he's grinning at me the way he lies there with his broken neck on
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a blanket after his execution particularly his ideas and ideologies didn't die with . the live on here in germany if you look even if. you vital it didn't hurt. if a few three or four siblings couldn't cope with your father's legacy your brother became an alcoholic one of your sisters killed herself did this book save your life with car with nick i don't think so. even at an early age i had a distant relationship with my father. but when father initially didn't believe i was his son he suspected i'd been fathered by his best friend and so he was distant to me. and it was fortunate for me because it made me distance myself from him too . because what saved me about. it. you know what's always troubled me is how we germans and i don't just mean my family
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i've experienced the same with friends acquaintances and colleagues. how we've dealt with the twelve years of nazi rule from nine hundred thirty three to nine hundred forty five in. india not the nazis made poland the center for the extermination of european jews more than six million people were murdered there alone your father was if you will the sole ruler of poland in his farewell letter from knew him but he wrote i was never a criminal and did that make you angry so what can you tell your people who caused it made me angry is illegally under the laws of very high she he was hitler's official representative in the general governorate. politically he was responsible for every single person who died. and he never really expressed regret for that.
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the boy. if you can the nothing is not nazis were no men what role did women play when you look back at your model other man in. my mother was an ice cold individual and i only really got to know her after the war with the loss of the frank family's wealth and life of convenience in the part. she calculatingly took advantage of her husband's position. she reached her self with all sorts of stolen goods and she truly enjoyed it with. but after the war and this is why i have a different relationship with her than i do with my father. after the war when everything was over she never glorified the third time i saw her. and that was very good for me as a child. she was one of the few people i have ever met who had both feet planted
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firmly in reality. so she suspected what she was doing was wrong. with me she knew full well it was wrong even the most not the knew what was happening was wrong but. he was detained in one nine hundred forty five you wrote that you saw the american soldiers and thought to yourself. there on the right side and we're on the wrong side of the fire how did you know that at the tender age of six . i don't know if i was ever attend. but i do know that when they lined us up with my mother and three siblings the two eldest one of them and we were about to be shot by an american soldier in our yard i got the distinct feeling if not in those words that they were somehow right. at the time my father had already been arrested and i sense that they were actually the ones on the right
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side. i was the only one who stay calm my older siblings who started calling. maybe i didn't fully understand what death meant yet. my mother and i scold my not upgraded that soldier. not hysterically but covertly until he lowered his gun in shock. i was taken away by another american. who would. make if your mother was brave you up he was very brave she wants to my father saying i know only one crime and that's cowardice my father had such cowardice let . to the gallows defines cowardice one of the main reasons that something like national socialism was able to take root in germany. with absolutely it's a lack of civil courage everyone can work on their own civil courage. anything else with those fine speeches on taking responsibility is all nonsense it's personal civil courage that germany lacks. we've apparently always believed in over thirty
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and that's why until today we have the best democracy even though it's currently under threat because we enjoy following orders people want to pay the nazis joined their dictatorship and then they said oh now it's suddenly time for democracy but that's not an internal process it's insincere that's why i don't trust you. now nearly eighty years after germany's invasion of poland and the beginning of world war two on september first there's renewed anti foreign a sentiment in germany where is it coming from what how do you feel when you hear and see that the us must listen in now since it has. been. like a very angry every day. not a day goes by where i don't read something in the paper that makes me really mad well really. give us an example. a line shouldn't like that recent comment by the state interior minister of north rhine-westphalia for. they
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said judges should keep in mind that their decisions correspond with a population sense of justice people say things like that are not only not a told them a critic they've also never really acknowledged what we germans perpetrated in those twelve years. they still gets to me how come people say things like that. and you can read things like that every time. of course we can have a discussion about human nature. but we germans know for well whether lack of civil courage leads us. gas chambers. we should know better yet we haven't done anything about it. nothing has changed in our consciousness i've always suspected that it would break to the surface if we were to experience five or ten years of serious economic woes. suddenly it's the refugees bringing everything to light that there's always been always still
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a part of it. but nationalism and chauvinism aren't unique to germany they're widespread in all of europe does that worry you too where in particular. one of my favorite countries is poland but what's happening in poland is awful. the damage president kaczynski is doing there is a threat for everything but they've been elected. of course they were elected in germany we have the far right f.t. party they were elected to of course is a democracy we should deal with this objectively but there's still something vile about it something we carry within as. it's not just germans. now i know they can all do whatever they want. when it comes to german history and the german people i'm a complete chauvinist beneath. i'm only concerned about the germans because we know better. we should know where this takes us we've gone through it before you know
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we played an active role to me if i say i'm not improve mr frank after writing that book about your father and you went on to write a second book about your mother and then another one about your brother's. but your latest book has nothing to do with nazis it's a love story have you settled your score with national socialism and your family. to go with me i don't think so i continue to research my family history every day. my latest book is about no grandfather who with his granddaughter revisits the twelve great loves of his life. i only wrote it as a way to one mind just so for once i wouldn't have to write words like him hans frank or holocaust you know one day i found these old love letters i received from a girl when we were about seventeen and i asked her if she still had mine and we
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exchanged them over dinner with her husband sitting on the train on my way home i was instantly sober when i read what i'd written back then it was such vain nonsense and that's what gave me the idea for this book and i had so much fun writing it as enjoy a ball as it was relaxing we wish you further relaxation here thank you for your time. thank you for. your remarks this week. the king of rock n roll celebrated in the past now heinecke. the mother of all sandal school sponsored cannot transfer. the giants of the public well in the street so maybe. next time.
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