tv The Day Deutsche Welle June 6, 2020 12:02am-12:31am CEST
a week of emotion and tension draws to a close in the united states as the family of george floyd prepare to bid farewell to a brother and son questions being raised about racism and injustice and hopes rise to the just maybe distant those questions might be acid and not only in america i'm anthony how in berlin and this is the day. because this could be me this could be my brother this could be not but it is to be my mother on the ground any time of the day i'm tired i don't want to be part of the society. on our block. we're not looking to be pulling. boxing for george for all it's right there for
attack and i'm getting back in my purse ok i think i'm good this is a. necessary but i felt it was important to show. my daughter and my younger daughter was not with me. also on the day braces i'm in germany and the need to face up to what is a universal issue. whether it's history or every day racism black people's experiences are being ignored and that's why i'm also frustrated we need to address every day racism and also the past because that's the only way to move forward. we begin the day in the united states where a week of protests started with furious anger and ended the more focused articulation of the cause it seems that for now the number of flashpoints between the people and their police has indeed subsided but what has not is the
determination. has been following one man who is making his demands for justice and an end to police violence a day the right of passage streets of washington d.c. . he's angry but he hasn't lost hope taking to the streets every day come out the activist at the heart of the protest in washington. riding his bike across the city come out doesn't recognize his hometown now dominated by have a police and military presence for him it doesn't feel safe he's had many guns pointed at him he says from people wearing a badge they will come up. with in a way like. with a. let me see your hand.
but they continue to be hostile and aggressive. that's what it means to be black in america he tells me 52 years after the killing. of king jr dan this seems to be a watershed moment for the u.s. but what makes this moment so dangerous is the man in the white house. yes. he wants a war because he can start a civil war. so he wants this war he wants it because he wants. he really wants everyone to act completely out of control so he can have a purpose for his actions. in a city center there are marching again come out as an electrical contractor but since the pandemic started there's been no work for him he tells me still together with his friends he's devoted all his time to peaceful protests they don't support
the looting and burning but i understand that many young people are bored and angry and use violence to get the austerities attention she got to let people do what they do you do your piece with thing you do if you're not nice with things because either way. you're trying to make the attraction some people are just. a few blocks from the white house more and more federal forces are right many people here are angry seeing the national guard being deployed against them exchange katsidis. still. 7 good i'll go to a lot of anger i'm sad because you know you look at these people waste people like you want to be considered human yourself or do you treat other humans as it were animals or some so i just got really upset as not full some protesters the feeling the police could use tear gas and rubber bullets against them again but canal and his friends stay regardless of what might happen i think the patients is the best
portion for us to stay afloat to continue just for the long term pain because you know it's going to take a long time for this actually be directed. he says he's never felt so energized and exhausted at the same time justice for george floyd that's what he wants and a real change in america. let's bring in jeffrey he's a civil rights attorney and he's also the national president of democrats for education reform i made the observation before that pace that we saw that the wind seems to have posted a transition that the protest as a comma and then message now is coming through stronger and clearer well yeah i mean it's i think what's happening now is that you're just seeing the exhaustion of like folks in this country just have the view of the ongoing practice of white supremacy. you know this is in many ways the strongest broke the camel's
back we've seen countless unarmed black people murdered arbitrarily bar on the police and just the spectacle of a man with a window is neat when the next of kin or family for 8 minutes with such a nonchalant sort of demeter i think it's really just kind of inflaming black people and of other human beings of goodwill that would really give a significant transformation in this country. do you see the focus of these mass protests and mass public discourse narrowing to a point that the pos forward can be more easily met diy beyond matching in the straights can you see now the next steps towards 10 minute china which. well for permanent changes are only going to be massive reallocation of resources i mean what we've seen in the city around these issues of racial equity united states is largely incremental change and when you had you know frankly 246 years of slavery where the labor kept white people were taken from them and then we supplement that with 100 years of legal apartheid where economic opportunity educational
opportunity access to capital was was distributed based on race it really isn't to the late 1960 deaths a lot of this country said that black people should have an opportunity brackley is that when you have that amount of time there were massive amounts of capital and resources were withheld ringback from black and brown folk if we're really going to have systematic change or needs to be a massive proportionate response what we tend to get are incremental steps upswing and commit to listen is better than nothing 1 and so we are starting to see some work as asian put more dollars around big capital more available to black and brown folks investing in education opportunity more is hard rhesus practices you know for corporations and others so that way less priests and their behavior those are all important in don't bring about in for a little 'd training but for the real systematic a different believe could be some sort of repaired of action to meet the human being the wide scope of resources taken away from what. this money has
resonated across the world and has bought lessons and learnings for many including myself for example having not grown up in the states i have never heard of the tulsa massacre is that something that is taught in every school in the u.s. . well no i mean there is a recent report to show that only one in 3 americans could pass us this is since tests that new citizens take which is really just some pace a test of u.s. history and that is a more romantic birth of america so even that version very few americans know and the history round of race relations and racism and slavery and jim crow is frankly not widely taught because it's very consistent with more real than 6 merit of the american history so there are a few americans know about a whole host of of historical facts in terms of history says i mean it's also race right speaks precisely to that that was right in the aftermath in the middle of jim crow barely 2 generations from slavery in the civil war black folk have built something that not me how we're within kind of segregated community and even that
was too but for some white races to be able to see that white people have to do it well economically and private businesses are investing in one another so they use violence and terrorism to steal that from both and so the bottom line is if we're really going to get past this problem one we have to know the nature of the problem you can't get past all of you don't confront it you can't confront it if you're not willing to be clear about the facts then frankly have to be prepared to react and not just incrementalism we're going to see. you by the top of the show we had something simple from a protest in day say she said she came out with a daughter to help show that fed life matters is that incredibly simple phrase instructive of how incredibly 5 americans of all color have to travel toward equality. it really is because saying someone mice matters of life matters is about as basic and fundamental as it gets and we have to have that conversation i
definitely know how far we have to go but that you didn't take it speaks to how durable white supremacy is united states supreme court and address god since you have probably the power would have the best articulations of white supremacy where it said that it is axiomatic in the united states and even in the largest western world that black people are quote unquote. beings of an altogether into your work that's what you know our state supreme court said that these are not human beings because remember slavery was justified and was reconciled with with america's a legit enlightenment liberal it might not say these are human beings so it's appropriate to treat them this way in fact the 1st guy king said they should be reduced to slavery for their benefit that it's good for them to begin to speak right and so this segregation after the civil after slavery was about these people are different they're not really fully human beings right it wasn't 1006 that the law even said they should be treated 'd as human beings so in that historical context shouldn't be surprising that even today it's some sort of radical act the senate is not i've met right so that absolutely but you know we have
a long way to go because if you got to still have a conversation about whether the life matters that's that's long before you can get to the actual reallocation of the capital the resource that was stolen from these people so we've made progress we're not we're used to be we have so far left still to go. nearly 4 years from the obama administration. do you have more now than you did 12. yes i would say that because 12 days ago i was. always talked about to double contraception by the black book but yet these were not you're the one hand you see that there's some progress you have since it's all but then they want to go and practice white supremacy can cause a spear i feel more hopeful today because frankly of the multi-racial diverse coalitions of americans and human beings throughout the world of all backgrounds of all colors who said this is not we want to be we want to be better when it be better than it is so that absolutely does new space of hope and i q the believe
that the overwhelming majority moving actually want to have human understanding and mutual cooperation and reconciliation and actually want to live together in harmony and once we could get there then we got to have a conversation ok the want to get there we have to wrestle with our past and history in any relationship if you don't wrestle with and make reconciliation for things that happened in the past it's very hard to move forward so i do think most people want to get to a better space and so that the cost is now we have to have a conversation about the expand the material things we have to do so we actually can get to that better world that i hope and believe that most of us bites on the civil rights attorney and national president of democrats for education reform jeffries good luck and many thanks thank you thank for having. a chance and i'm going to medical has reacted to events following the death of george floyd she criticized president donald trump's leadership style but also acknowledged that germany too has problems with rice's. the murder of
george floyd is horrific racism is horrific and us society is very polarized. i think the politicians should aim to nice and to reconcile. i think the president trump style of politics is very controversial that's clear racism has always existed but unfortunately it exists here in germany too we should put our own house in order and hope that enough people in the us will move forward with peaceful protests. was a good chance that i'm going to not go there germany needs to put its on house in order when it comes to discrimination against black people they doubly as japan that you belive reports now on his own experience as a black person here in berlin he also looks at allegations of racism and police brutality in other european cities. for.
this memorial to george floyd popped up last weekend. while he died of the hands of a policeman in the us his death is also being used to bring awareness to racism here in germany and across the world. it is hard to find a country without any form of racism and i experience that here as well in berlin. as the daring and of course comments and statements about my skin color. that you cannot move around the city as a black person without being aware obvious can color on average there are $3.00 to $4.00 racist incidents reported per day in the german capital according to the berlin register for discrimination and not everyone is reporting them so there could be far more. doubts why the black hawks matter movement has also been protesting here in berlin well europe has fewer deadly incidents involving the
police some cases have stayed with me again you know with not that long ago only giallo burned to death in the police cell here in germany in 2005 no one was convicted for his death. in the u.k. in 2011 mark duggan was shot by a policeman who was never convicted. in france adama told me he died during police custody in 2016 and no one has been found responsible for his death that's why the protests in france have been violent. people. a frustrated with structural racism. hasn't really dealt with its links to slavery and colonialism here in germany. i named after individuals from the countries colonial period i can berlin's african quarter where even now some streets bear the names of germany's most infamous and new figures.
plenty to talk about here let's bring in our. welcome and i'm also happy to welcome rather not us jennifer jennifer you're in berlin unfortunately we can't ask you into the studio because of coronavirus safety concerns what's your experience of racism here in germany. diverse or take you 1st jennifer excuse me. sorry. well it's been diverse i've experienced racism in every facet of life here in germany when i was approved for a flight i had the offer revoked after i sent in a copy of my passport i had to move out of my 1st sublet because i was being harassed by neighbors who said i didn't belong there in the police refused to file a report i've been harassed by neo nazis on trains that and feather sized up and put into countless that you asians at work or if i had to explain to colleagues why
their actions are behaviors were racist when i just wanted to do my job and i know i'm not the only person here i know there's been a 9 percent increase in far right hate crimes from 2018 to 2019 in germany and up until a few days ago the general equal treatment act was the law of the land but it only targeted private institutions and it doesn't actually make allowances for racial profiling or police brutality so i'm really happy that we have this new anti discrimination bill in berlin but again that's only in berlin it doesn't apply to any other german state so i i have to make calculated decisions every time i leave my house about how i talk about how i walk about where i go and now it's about leaving berlin knowing i won't have the protection of this legislation and other states. of the 2 you do you see this report would have been made if it wasn't such a if they hadn't been such an outpouring of anger of the killing of george floyd
well probably no as i have stories of racism in the past but i've had to pitch to myself in this report i was commissioned to do it so that's definitely the major difference that i'm this week in your experience what is the attitude of europeans when confronted with rice's well i think europeans would like to think that race is not a thing it's not recognizing the thing there's no statistics on the different groups of people here in europe in terms of black white asian. and so forth and so they would like to think it doesn't really happen but we do have an institutional racism in europe as well is just not recognized in the same way it is in the united states jennifer you published an article on your species website called notes on white guilt i can't quote all of it but here is a pot and it says since george floyd's murder and the subsequent fury and
anguish that's been splashed across every news outlet. and medium i've been battling with the pew unfiltered rage of every memory where i have been silenced whenever i try to talk about racism so jennifer a similar question now to you people listening now. they're not listening enough. there have been organizations in germany and across europe and abroad working for years to address the kinds of structural inequities of racism that are affecting people of color here in berlin in particular we have women in exile and reach out in the center for answers intersectional justice and. the initiatives fox and mention in deutschland who have been trying to force this conversation at every opportunity so while your white europeans may be thinking they're engaging in some kind of low performative behavior right now i need to see
them doing a lot more i need to see them demonstrating in mass i need to see them calling out each other i mean to see them taking their governments and peers and families and friends to task because until that happens and until they reckon with their colonial history it's not enough and more importantly until black people stop dying and suffering from structural racism it's absolutely not enough. to point to backs you get any real sense that anything is beginning to move in germany any real awareness in the real so for reflection and really needs to change well if we look at the german media i think that has definite been lacking there's definitely a lack of self reflection in terms of the situation pertaining to racism in germany and there's been a lot of criticism in terms of spiegel which is a big publication here in germany inviting a puddle of only white people to talk about racism and that was the case also with a very popular talk show called michael berg and. definitely not
being in. a point where the really looked at the problem from a german point of view and i think full of black people and other people of color here in germany that has been a huge disappointment so i think things are not really moving forward as a result of what's happening in the u.s. . jennifer it would seem produced in bill enough to the killing of george floyd another rally planned on saturday night people angry but as far as what germans go do you get the impression they're looking at the us raw the looking perhaps in the mirror. well i mean it's interesting that you bring out the next rally tomorrow because i have to point out that there's actually a far right demonstration planned at brandenburg a tour at the same time and for that reason the george floyd rally had to move locations so it's just interesting to me. and to your question it reminds me of
a proverb that my friend nathan calls an european proverb which is are you glad you're not in the u.s. right now which is the question that germans love to ask me i'm sure they ask all of us because they love to moralize about human rights in the us and they do that while ignoring the structural inequities right here at home and i think they do that to romanticize the struggles abroad because it gives them a kind of psychological distance from the oppression that is actually alive and thriving here so they like to act like racism is in the past that it's a part of history but history is perennial and german racism works in a continuum aspects of german culture directly contributed to the holocaust and continued to linger as racist attitudes towards black people today. quickly before we go is this an issue that is here to study in the media are we going to be back you talking about it still in 2 weeks in germany if i look at the way things are going today i don't think i'll be speaking of racism as an issue in germany in 2
weeks unless something changes. on the jim bennett thank you and rather not as jennifer neal thank you both very much thank you. now on this world environment by servants 60 symphony is being used to make a plea to protect our planet musicians from all corners of the world have created their own compositions inspired by the symphony they dubbed the support of the project called sound of nature. symphony number 6 in f. major beethoven's hinton nature. i do believe music has an enormous power and i think nature has an even greater power projects that bring those 2 together are a great great opportunity for mankind to rethink where we are we are momotaro
the documentary sound of nature spans 5 continents and showcases musicians with wide ranging musical styles the works created especially for the project all inspired by beethoven's pastoral symphony in iceland and india. as well as if you are. in the. lumpia. and history of the project is not to stick love letter ta planet as a composer i do feel strongly linked to composers of the past. i'm incredibly inspired by what some are like beethoven a tree it sort of drives me for sure. the love of music can nature unite us all but today also then in beethoven's time there's the will to save nature climate
protection is of primary importance. nature is a reflection of ourselves what we're doing to the to the planet is what we're doing to ourselves we should be one of them to. the sound of nature and out to the beauty in this world to me sick and to the proof that the spirit of beethoven lives on. and this was the day but remember the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter at de w. news don't forget to use the hash tag the day for now i'm anthony house from the team here in berlin thanks for example.