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19th $39.00 nazi germany invaded poland and for more than 5 years brought terror to much of europe with its ideology of a master race. a central figure in that campaign was rice for s.s. heinrich himmler. the leading nazi was obsessed with racial purity and came up with a plan to bolster the so-called arion race between 19411945 children were kidnapped from all over eastern europe and forcibly german artist. historians estimate that 20000 of those children came from poland alone. in nazi run children's homes they learned to speak german their identities were falsified the got tossed from before i was named a load here vitesse check from that moment on i was a leaf civet cat simply. those children are now over 80
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years old and many of them still know nothing about their roots. new do go your way sunny's i felt this kind of back and forth is also affected my relationships feel and. much of what happened to them is still a mystery. use of some of our travels as often as he can to the place where his parents are buried . it lies outside chance to hava in southern poland.
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he was just 9 years old when they died. for you i'm about arc i feel i'm missing the warmth of the being raised by our father and mother. in law brought up by strangers who were something like her very much but all my life i've been missing that warmth that embrace all that. his father usurped was 41. his mother french scieszka 36. when they were murdered by the nazis on this spot. their son user is now 86 years old. but he has never forgotten his childhood home. power. found all of your skin over there was a village house with 2 rounds but it was made of wood and bricks book i wish i made the job you want me show you where the stables were and found his workshop in the
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longest running. during world war 2 use of his family he had used in partisans in the bunker 7 people lived underground here for 2 years is out then won't get embroiled all of the above this bunker was a pipe or the air came in or not and the jews and the polish protestants got their air through this pipe of course my parents also gave them food water should have been economy a fog of shows they were just sort of going on yet. again and the whole tragedy and torture took place here. and show you how. the germans came going to cars by soldiers in the interest. of allah the knock on the door. and ask this of us live here. that's an invalid i started smashing the windows with their rifles. all the planes were broke up my
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mother was crying and took us children out to the very beginning we children ran behind our mama and papa we were all practically naked under us it was 5 o'clock in the morning it was september so it was chilly and the germans where the jews were the participants were also i only went into the barn they had a pointy metal stick and they stuck it in the straw to see if they would get a person i would scream. but there was no. yes that. on the answer to the germans hit them with anything they could get their hands on. with holes and show pitchforks. my mother was stabbed in the stomach 3 times with a pitchfork show number while she was pregnant fresh to show their mission under 6 their 7th month. well. momma didn't make any more sense she was leaving just a note. my father had. he been hit with a rifle the whole court yard was full of blood they dragged my mother here my
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father there are kids there. and they still found nothing but i said this is my leisure not no. it's not. between the workshop and the stables and. i'm not sure. how they got i'm outta here before 6 and our names for along the middle of the courtyard and at that moment the 1st jewish women came out of. there and. then they said the other side of the house on friday. after that the soldiers shot uses parents did and threw their bodies into a pit at the spot where their graves is now the children survived after witnessing the events. then they were taken to germany like thousands of other children from 1941 on words who were deemed to be worthy of being terminal. use of
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sr yanina still lives in germany. all night she's german german ice. all i stress that she corresponds to the carry on nordic response blonde hair and like colored i asked that was what the germans wanted to show our sister was lost to us forever. as a pool of little sisters the best one of us was in germany and that such as. it was comes god. in me give me a good good name of you got a good doctor she wanted to be. your daughter come to god and begin the 14 and 20. just there were given what i don't think you needed you know i. wish he would. come on luther king has lived
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in by durham in southwestern germany since he retired. where he originally came from he doesn't know. you know arguably seeking leave but everyone feels they security also teach and i want that parents look like you know we don't we don't like to know if i have others saw systems on nieces or os i just don't know if you still have tried everything. i do 20 archives but i found nothing nothing at all to have an issue for god makes. this for decades herrmann has been trying to find out who his parents were and where he was born. he always has the support of his partner. even as a child he felt that there was some mystery he was 6 years old when he was placed
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with maria and her man luther king but he sensed that they were keeping something from him that. this stuff it was part of was hidden in my foster father's concert. teen a 14 year old i looked to see what was in. yes i was always curious. and when i saw this i realized more or less what it was a part. of this. this is my that i already knew that i wanted my real parents but i didn't know how it all hung together. and then i read this document that said father ted mother dead. kings birth certificate issued by nazi officials there are dashes where the names of his father and mother should. be. his place of birth is listed as broken invertigo the site of one of the nazi run orphanages where the identities of the
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abducted children were covered up. when the. car was the 1st place i went to look at it and i spoke to the can take it that he was still alive i asked him if anybody else took place like it said in the document and he said it was no no but ever took place you. need a good step good food and found since then herman has discovered that he was probably called roman russia before he was placed with his foster parents was he really born on january 20th 1036 he has his doubts. i might be a year older or younger maybe i'm just 36 years old. there's. documents from ward was january the 21st. i don't want to say i know. the central polish city of woods it was probably the 1st station in his life.
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come on still doesn't know who gave him up to this orphanage. but he does know that the nazis took him from here to germany. to be that you've been in the political but you would be going. on off the list by . what i am. but nor do. you believe this guy was on the bed and you know what you told him ordered me up and. i but. i mean i want i do you know if you have it on. critical mind i'm not going to be opposed but our current levels of $31.00. story also has ties to which. she was 5 years old when she was brought to the youth
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detention camp in let's munched as would you was called during the nazi occupation . today she's meeting up with her friend bob barr a patchwork of each. the 2 women have a lot in common. and their parents in life have been very similar. they've come to a school located on the site of the camp. the school director is showing them a room that commemorates the thousands of children who were interned here. like who was brought here in 1943. by this. i know you have a great man. well shall we need to find him really applied to st it's over here we should turn the matter around like this last hour. that means my
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house must have been here. for how well you remember everything of course have you ever heard of the children from dr v. tash x. group i am of you tell. us. father was a resistance fighter executed by the nazi s.s. her mother was deported to auschwitz for her husband's actions and ended up in the machinery of the german occupiers a crush of people and how long were you in the camp possible to. tell the people that. i was probably here for around 8 weeks. before that in the race office in poznan they had determined that i corresponded to the so-called area race. jets and the germans wanted to german allies children of the area and race. are set to one yourself right. 3 people. 3 life stories. with fish in
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common. all 3 are victims of heinrich humors racist mania. the right sphere s.s. visited occupied poland in 1941 and traveled through the bar to guard history. in 1939 poland had been carved up between the soviets and the germans. sections of the western part of the country including the so-called racecar to lie and were incorporated into the german reich. other regions were placed under german civil administration. himmler's vision was to make sure many of the mightiest nation in the world by by. during the population with new progeny from abroad mainly from eastern europe. in the winter so she even berlin are hundreds of documents that show the gradual development of humor strategy for the organized abduction of children.
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after his trip through of are to go himmler wrote to the girl later actual cries that. i believe it is right that small children of especially good raise from polish families become lectern brought up by us and special not to large children's nurseries and orphanages. i would advise starting with 2 or 3 such institutions so as to gather experience. isabel hina mine is a professor of contemporary history at the university of minister. she has studied the subject of the stolen children for a number of years. she set up a europe wide research project and with colleagues analyzed 17000 files of foreign
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children found by the allies in germany after the war. on historians want to reconstruct the roots taken by the stolen children and with them as it was left but the fact that the nazis deliberately conceal their identities makes that a formidable task on it. as it would and that did that and with the calculations down based on the records of how many children were transported and how many were found after the war i would estimate the number to be around 20000 polish children behind each one of those numbers is an individual story of a life thrown into turmoil and set on a completely different course and one fell off the norm. there are many myths about the forced german ization of foreign children one account is that they were ethnic germans that is children of german ancestry who lived outside the german rightish and that only very few children were brought to germany at all. but
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his plan did have a system as the rights commissioner for the consolidation of german nationhood he helps to issue directives $6071.00. it's stated. first all children informally polish orphanages are to be taken and placed in accommodations after that operation is concluded children living with polish foster parents will be examined. the directive was signed by all risk rife and him most direct subordinate. later at the nuremburg trials he claimed that there had never been a concrete plan. directive $6071.00 went to only high ranking leaders of the s.s. and the police and the corresponding s.s. leaders concerned with race and settlement policy so that the s.s. operators would be aware of how it worked it was a part of
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a supposedly rational occupation and gemini ization policy that was imposed mainly on occupied poland but also one other occupied and next to each ends of europe. possibly russia. today experts believe that our own 50000 children were abducted from across europe. cases are known from today's ukraine the czech republic and slovenia. but the largest group was from poland because the machinery of the abduction started in the bar to go district. first orphanages were searched then child welfare officials summoned all children living with foster parents for inspection. there were precise guidelines on how a racially suitable child was supposed to look. 21 characteristics were examined including growth patterns the back of the head the bridge of the nose and body hair
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the officials were looking for so-called arion types classified as pure nordic purif alien or nordic faily and what the nazis couldn't use were unbalanced hybrid types. and finally children were also taken away from their biological parents like . she was taken for racial examination after her mother was deported then in the autumn of 1943 she was brought to the youth detention camp in litzmannstadt to be germanized. this memorial recalls the thousands of children who lived here and were forced to do hard labor. i knew it. was a book the memories come flooding back when i load your stance here. she was brought to the camp together with her little sister daria. nirvana
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brought some of straightaway we weren't allowed to speak polish. we'd whisper to each other in polish but of course we couldn't make it obvious that we were speaking. last month when i pop our school i knew we were punished for every infraction. each couple had a club and they shouted at us very loudly. we were scared of the yelling and of course the severe beating. body and some apparel. i think say and they work us full roll call the counters off in germany which was hard for us we didn't know the numbers. that's why the roll call used to take a very long time wash near one of our time on a lot of. other illness that they are but it had to keep going until our supervisor had counted the entire group of children. to the show. and
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often when they went through the barracks where we slept. they would find dead children in the beds. not. then called little was the 1st place where all of you were sent. more followed caliche bercow. bud protein. thousands of children were funneled through these nazi run homes. each station represented a further step to conceal the child's real identity. dates of birth were changed names were made more german sounding. became a lease of it. her friend barbara became bearable. they were forced to forget their
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origins finally both were placed in german families where paradoxically they experienced the happiest years of their childhood. use of salva lives in the center of chance to hold. even know he can't accept that his sister yanina loves the nation that caused his family so much suffering my mare cut us from days of their letters from germany from my sister. which she did not want to appear in person in this film or engage with the family's history that's apparent in her letters. you saw a line vendor by your societies when you come to see us please please don't talk about politics or about the war. boys you love and kisses. yeah sure
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anita. all her letters are signed with her polish and her german name or no you're stuck up shut up you know she's been so germanized that she even writes in her letters that i shouldn't talk about politics or our history show you because she's embarrassed. you can still get out of the rope she doesn't want to know anything about poland or the memory of her family. or when you know she lives her life there in germany she is 4 years richer. after the murder of their parents the 5 us of our children were brought to go with cattle now grown cold in silesia. you know nino was taken from there by a woman from hanover who adopted her her name was changed to anita no official records about this were preserved which is why you know it was not found after the war but her siblings never stopped looking it was 20 years before use of saw her
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again since then they've met up regularly. how they all out oh good in the dark my good day my dear sister. are you would home or out for a walk. 2 here thought i had lunch and you're probably tired just i'm looking forward so much to seeing you soon as the we're from the jets. yeah you look at all but i'll be living chance to her tomorrow or 12 known. by my dear sister. you know for shot at bars for so long you've heard her voice. use of sr was carried off to germany shortly before the end of the war she didn't
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undergo a racial examination the longer the war went on the less attention the german officials paid to rules and guidelines. nina's abduction was an act of pure despotism. in the southwestern german city of fribourg herrmann luther king is paying a visit to crystal this isn't. parts as a teacher but for years he has been helping him on the 21 the german government to recognize the kidnapped children as victims of the nazi regime so that they can receive compensation. though she wants founded an association representing the children's interests and he and harman have filed lawsuits together so far with no success. as a last resort they've approached germany's highest court the constitutional court.
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this is this nice is the letter i received this. just processing it. and now i have to wait for a day. you know how money shortfall just time and i'd suggest that we write another letter to the constitutional court saying they should speed things up a little in consideration of your. own zone of those who are not. close friends of toil i think it's great that at his age he still are prepared to fight for justice even though it's only about the symbolic sums of 2500 euros not really it's a joke goods. according to germany's act regulating compensation for national socialist injustice that is the sum to which 9 jewish victims are entitled. to come on luther king considers himself a part of that group. is good for me it's not about the money but about the
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recognition that this was a crime with me that's what gets me mad and he used that strategy is to wait until nature takes care of it or by then it's over. the german government argues that the kidnappings can be seen as general collateral damage of war and that therefore there can be no claim to compensation. and it's often argued that the kidnapped children were well treated in contrast to other victims. that was true in herremans case his german foster parents were wealthy his mother was a teacher and head of the regional association of german girls. the father was a high ranking teacher both were nazi party members. came and graduated from school studied at university and became a mechanical engineer. but the parents never spoke to him about his background. back in
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chains to hoffa. use of self is on duty. for the past 30 years he's been working for an organization for the victims of nazi persecution he campaigns for them to receive compensation. for poland has a number of funds from which the germanized children or the children of mothers who were forced laborers receive small payments. like this woman from now on she'll get 50 euros a month. for her by not offering dearly on sky this is actually. what this letter says you will get at least 212 swatches the one so we've been able to help here we are here saying shared by new probably by about a buyout dark. in the early 1990 s. germany paid 500000000 mark stupid and as
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a humanitarian gesture as it was called back then. yousef wanted to apply for money for his siblings but they needed nina's consent. not that my sister and sorrow no no no i will not steal money from the german people because i am dramatically i think. barbara has invited a load here to her home they want to talk about the stories of their lives that wound up taking such a similar course. but they actually asked us we all kind of like sisters. for a long time we didn't know if we were german or pay less. but i feel as though we were both very lucky. but that a few we ended up in families that treated us like their own children said questioning. who. could.
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barbaro was 3 when the nazis examined her and approved her for german ization. in 1902 she was placed with a german foster family and grew up as bearable in limbo. like a lawyer she had to return to poland after the war. she was 10 at the time. yes after the movie or my advice and actually if i would say that my war started after i went back yes i said the same. my parents were no longer alive there was nothing left. i was an unwanted child who was shunted around here and there you couldn't speak polish anymore right so i couldn't speak the language anymore i was this hitler girl ride german swine for us children our return was disastrous but it was understandable that poland wanted its children back jiechi.
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after the war you mean yes. has extreme she think it's extremely complicated the western allied powers made the child's well being the benchmark on one hand and on the other hand there was the justifiable demand of the polish states that said give our children back to your thirty's found themselves and complicated legal model in terms of international law . mission. a lot here is back home again she lives in big gushed that's 170 kilometers northwest of roads. for years she's been giving public lectures as a witness of history. in a few days she'll be traveling again to germany to tell the story of her life. now come out of here in the album is the 1st aircraft taken with my new german moti
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picked me out. more thing here with mrs louisa dyer. she didn't have any children of her. dark took the 6 year old to her home in stendhal in saxony on heart. the little girl started going to school there and lead a comfortable life as a much loved only child. 4 years later came the shock. luisa and her husband received a letter from the polish red cross which tore the family apart. louisa dahl wrote this in response. if the mother of the child is alive we are prepared in view of the mother's terrible suffering and uncertainty during the years of separation to return the child safe and sound to her. of course the biological mother has the 1st right and with
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a heavy heart i will give up the child whom we have come to love and cherish. 'd followed years polish mother should have survived auschwitz and with this photograph searched the world for her 2 daughters. and found them. there when the news came that i was a stolen polish child and had to go back to my home country. where my musi began to tell me about my siblings who i had forgotten in the course of the 4 years. october 1st there were left on the romney or so for that reason i was not so reluctant to return to poland. but i had. spoken of i wasn't afraid i told us in your boy.
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but going back was hard. had forgotten her native polish. but she could communicate with her mother helena who spoke excellent german. o.d.u. was lucky that she maintained contact to her german moti. and the 2 women also became friends a low deo was now daughter to both of them. i had 2 moments with him on there and these 2 mamas loved each other very much ok and just as each other was a whole. believe the dolls when they said they had not known who elites are really was the reason dahl wrote to the polish red cross. or was born in post 9 and after she became ill in
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a children's home in college was then brought to bad policy and. that is where i picked up little an april 25th 1944 mediated by the former living is born association the child was placed with me as a pure german child with a german name as an eastern german orphan for adoption. chairman luther king's foster mother must have known that he was not a german child she got him in december 942 from zone and visa eleven's born home in koreans arliss a village near leipzig. his name then was roman rushed off screen. living is born was a pet project of heinrich himmler. it provided
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a place for unmarried women to have their babies and leave them to be raised the goal was to boost the arion population. zone and bees are also served as an institution for children like airman who were abducted from poland yugoslavia in the soviet union to be taken to germany. harriman was one of the 1st children here to be given away to families loyal to the nazi regime. he remembers how it came about. the blood. i used to always play with my friend all of that and with together isn't. all and then a nurse came and said you 2 have to come along to the head nurse. so we went up there and the head nurse was sitting with an elegant lady was standing there.
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later i knew it was my foster mother. she wore a hat with a veil. and the head nurse said. write to king you can pick one of the 2 children. and she said right away i'll take little hammer . fatten him up. and the head nurse said so just sign here and then you can take the child with you and i was on it. and she took my hand and we went out and took the train to let me go in the fall and let her. go that's how it went. so one of these other you know like a chicken fall and i want that chicken that one doesn't look so good was what i liked that. that's how they did it with the children too or. at the time
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herrmann was just happy that he had someone to take care of him and he got along well with maria luther king. but once he started to try and find out about his background she broke away from him. when she died in the late 1980 s. he did not attend her funeral. at the nuremberg trials american prosecutors tried to press charges for the kidnapping of alien children for purposes of german ization. but the tribunal contested the charges according the defendants of that crime and describing the libyans born organization as a welfare institution. that none but a process i saw here in this respect the nuremberg trials could be seen to have made a tragic legal mistake to classify levens born which ran these children's homes as
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a purely charitable organization and equipped those involved the challenges from today's point of view that was that related to the judicial era class of feel entitled. lodhi of the toshack is on her way to the city of fribourg. she knows germany well. she often visited her foster parents here. today she's giving a talk to students at the catholic university of applied sciences as a living witness. as always she tells her life story in german all that will happen soon and that is why they gave us new 1st and last names. until then i had been. and now i was early to say if i leave the.
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shop with a live audience has her lectures have also been a form of therapy for her. a way of coming to terms with her own past but we guessed that. you meant to be excited to set your time in germany shaky and yet you still consider yourself polish. would you say that germany is also your homeland in a way on. yes i think that's true it is that for me i love to come back here comments over it and i always say every country has a very good people and very bad peoples and they should. return checks story is also a positive one with lots of understanding on both sides and she hopes to keep telling it for as long as she can.
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today use of salva is setting off to the family get together with his sister yanina . but i'm going to have this about the journey that i didn't sleep for a last night yes but see i spy on. the family history is likely to be a topic of the gathering. use of can't forgive jani now for denying that she's polish but he says she is and will always be his sister. sorrow gene are proud of our young everyone in the family loves her yes she's warm and empathetic bonds of our job we color the princess because she's so sensitive so nice and warm article our stock of your pocket that it got dark us. that's not.
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their man luther king has received a letter from the german constitutional court another defeat he has lost his fight for compensation. but he will continue to search for his roots for the parts of his life that the nazis hid from him. as he was how i don't think i'll find out anything but i'll keep looking. who knows maybe i'll find a nugget so i can fill a few no one call on. me even in his mid eighties not knowing who his parents were is a source of unease that herrmann says will never leave him.
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