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tv   Zu Tisch  Deutsche Welle  November 14, 2020 9:30pm-10:00pm CET

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fascinates us of gravely dipsy couple of brave eligible for over a mention on the 4th time for the fall of the last missing in the tick member of that list, the bottom of the valley that the last dragons this world has been called the hard to use a real book on what to work like direct travel like a machine, if and even mention what was known as in i mean maybe one day they will, they will have their own preferences that we care about. and it will mean, you know, if they become like a new whole new species,
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artificial intelligence creates things we've never seen or heard before. like gustav mahler, unfinished 10th symphony now completed in its entirety. our deep neural network news net has managed to complete what the composer couldn't ai is invading our lives and the arts. just how much is the subject of yet rather one's research age rector of the max planck institute force, human development in berlin. he talks with us about ai and how to deal with intelligent machines here head of research, center, humans and machines. why do you think it's important to study the behavior of
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machines? because machines are, and you actor in our world, you know, this is the 1st time that we've created a tool that can make decisions on it's own. it's going to be driving cars. it's going to be making decisions about who gets higher than 500 and it's going to help us create art and so on. so what would you say are the possible scenarios we're looking at in the near future? the problem with machine learning is that it might be learned harmful behavior is on its own. we need to understand that we're dealing with a new kind of entity that may be a little bit unpredictable. like in a space odyssey doors. oh, i'm sorry. i'm afraid i can't do that computer. how is an intelligent beast, but with the emphasis on beast think you know what the problem is?
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just as well as right? this mission is too important for me when are you jeopardizing our intractable house? doesn't think much of people, logically speaking, there's no reason to, since the soul liable to breaking down in alien the space ships, computer marva acts in a similar why. it is god like turning the wrath of salt human. survive a cigar anyway, that has ripley in films intelligent machines usually run amok. though a few strive to be human, sometimes even more humane than never all models say that the robot in student spielberg's ai even wants to build real relationships. but is david as harmless as he looks sort of official.
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of course it is in blade runner, replicants go broke to escape their fights as slave laborers. so the ng to hide their true identities. it seems you feel i work is not a benefit to the public slingers going to murder me in my street. in one of the red comedies about i are, the robot may not look human, but he's a real body. and there you ever had a dream video that you were so sure was real in the matrix trilogy. hey, i control an entire parallel universe, one in which people are clearly not welcome. should be interesting. series this planet. i mean, how to shoot the
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terminator is sent back from the future to correct the course of history. he's a killing machine, guided by ai. because humans could endanger robots in the future. they're deemed expendable. but later it's machines against machines and everything ends in chaos. yet, in most cinematic confrontations with the humans who come out on top, that's probably because for now, people are still watching scripts, trust me, ai causes a lot of anxiety and fear within society. how can we deal with this and do you think that these concerns are valid? i think people are afraid to weigh our today because we don't understand this thing . so if i is not as powerful as hollywood depicts how powerful is it?
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you know, where is it being used? what kinds of mistakes does it make? is it affecting me, isn't affecting my family, or does it make us strictly better off or sometimes worse off? and i think, well, when you don't understand something that is gaining more and more power over you then think it's your right to be concerned. what about the air i self? would you describe that more as a simple tool or could you see it also being a creative genius. we did a study on, on how people perceive they are, and we found that also the way you speak about it, i can shape public perception. so for example, 1st i generated art in a high profile auction was sold for something, you know, just under half a $1000000.00. if you use the language of agency to describe the ai, the artist gets like tens of thousands of dollars less but in people's minds. but when you ask them how much money do you think the heart of st, the versus the,
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the programmer and so on. so that's really translates to real money. and the same thing goes for when something goes wrong. so we want to stimulate a discussion about language around ai, because this language has real consequences on blame and praise on benefits and on costs for real humans behind the old walls of this 16th century, man, i just outside london, their lives, a robot that draws this machine with a human face is named she's a robot with the mannerisms of a real artist. was her theory. work like press
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there for ages has been drawing and painting since 2019. last year, her work sold out at an exhibition at oxford university. it's estimated that collectors have paid more than $1000000.00 pounds for where x. gallery owner, aden miller came up with the idea to create a what do you find a poetry. oh, the hurt is the go together with a team of computer scientists, robotics experts and designers. miller developed in his own words, the world's 1st robot artist programmed for creativity. major draws with chalk and paints for the critic how it works, make a fortune to me, to look hurt,
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to have this interaction with the normal human in the way that we can. it's quite a of them fertile in feeling that she would be surprised how quickly you feel very relaxed with and with having a robot in your life as a call to explore the potential of artificial intelligence before it's too late. but is this real art, or is it just a grand technical achievement? ada raises the question whether human artists will be competing against robots in the future. we've heard from different artists thinking, oh my goodness, what does that mean for my own abilities? the natural for, we very much believe the wiser within the art world is very much similar to the rise of the camera in the 18 fifty's and sixty's . people were very threatened by this camera that it was the end of painting. the
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idea that one day robots might replace humans is unthinkable for artist marcus to pets. he's one of the most influential german contemporary painters. sees artists, robots, like, ada, is no more than an attempt to attack the divine spark of human genius. one of the last mysteries of our enlightened and mechanized twelve's. the robot is an abomination in the machine machines start to think, i'd say it's an outrage, they become the enemy. this enemy relies on human input data templates and information that robots like a program to process. and they continue to get better with this processing on a technical level. yet the machine understands neither. a painter is creative urges nor an artist's obsession. that's why robots, that paint and draw always be condemned to merely imitate
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machines can only do what humans do when we don't need machines or machines would need to do something that humans can't perhaps true mechanical creativity is at its best when it supports human roles and algorithms can help or act as assistance the british artist and original dares to create a symbol of both worlds real life and the world of technology. in her art, she creates virtual flowers through machine learning is only able to see the results of her work when the computer has finished processing. it's like when you catch a glimpse of yourself in america for you realize it's you and you kind of, you kind of recognize yourself, but you also don't. so it's this weird, uncanny kind of kind of sensation in her video installation mosaic virus. she lets the computer come up with an endless sequence
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of chewed it pitches. these 2 loops don't exist in this way. they're based on tens of thousands of images of real flowers that on a regular photographed categorized and then handed over to her ai helper. it's always surprising and it's always something that is, you know, it's like a wild or fria version of something that you might create, but you could never get there without this help. every single 2 lives, a unique electronic specimen and attributes to the dutch masters and their 17th century. still, life paintings. the technical possibilities allow and i read lots of paint such classic motu the fs in a completely new guys. not with a brush or on a canvas, but through artistic artificial intelligence. how original and over to our ai generated creations. i would say the majority of ai tirith
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creations today are not as original as you might think. and the reason is they rely on machine learning. and machine learning is dick me. for the most part, he learns from examples. so it is as original as all of this combined art that it's all before. i think with the part of machine creativity, that's more original, that's more risky. that's more exploratory where the machine is creating completely new imagination, which i think is much less developed today. but that's part could really change what it means to create art. music composed by river scape or to put it more precisely the rivers, many bends analyzed in transposed internode. the rhythm is set by the forces of nature. and there flows in the river has lots of
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bends or has a more complex visual structure than the musical structure is also more complex. and when the course of the river changes. then you also hear that as acoustic feedback as a kind of live reinterpretation of based on the data acquired by the. 'd algorithms to fit with countless examples which teach the ai and sounds into music . it can then suggest what theme the melody could embark on next. music made mathematically. is it creative? is it art? i have of course it's another approach. that's the way you need to imagine it, and i'm going to, i belong to a whole generation of new composers, and also artists who have grown up with technology and off with algorithmic methods toward and what ai has now opened up for machine learning to put it more precisely
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is a kind of sparring partners, bearings part. a partner that helps in the composition process and reacts to suggestions. for 9 years. musician ali nick ryan has been developing a program to write sophisticated compositions. was this written by a man or a machine? it's impossible to tell he's big breakthrough came with a program which can compose pieces in the style of everything from mozart, to listen to a piece of music that is composed by an ai since it is able to examine responses. because the exact has no understanding of our emotions possible pianist, glenn gould's performances,
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were emotional and unconventional. though he died in 1902, his style is still alive and well, thanks to ai. so what we're doing is we're analyzing, going audio recordings to see how she interprets a given piece of music and try to change to an ai system so that i could play any expressive style of bringing going go back to life. it's as if glen gold's ghost is sitting at the piano. those who knew him, a star christian moser doesn't just want to imitate human creations. he wants to explore unknown to mentions through his art. with the help from ai, he's collected some other world the signals
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going on through this room become very rich as we take this great unknown outer space and we try to capture radio signals from space. and then we have our manmade scan it to look for patterns which we wouldn't be able to find on our own. to fin, transcriptions from space interpreted by using familiar harmonies. it's a bit by bit bizarre yet somehow sublime and you kind of, you enter a question and get a reply. you never would have anticipated that can move things forward in the composition or creative work, which allows it to take
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a turn you simply couldn't predict. when does this, that's quite exciting, that's out of the search pun. machines are becoming increasingly able to adapt, learn and create original, unpredictable outputs. how would you say this, mpeg society today, ai looks like this magical black box that new things that we've never seen before. and also maybe we, we ascribe too much power to these things that are influencing us as well. so now we just think of all these algorithms that are manipulating us in so many ways. and the truth is, we don't really know the extent to which this many collision works. we don't have like a very solid scientific basis about how much really, how much power these things have over us. what do you think the top dangers are of enter creating ai, enter our lives. having
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a small group of people have no political power over pay our. so if you think of today, we have very few companies that have disproportionate power over our data. if this data is fed to ai's, that can then have a say or can make decisions that impact us and society as a whole, then would have trouble. because then we're in a tyrannical situation. and i think that's a problem that we don't have really transparency about which data can be owned by whom can be used by whom to what and, and this is not always part of a clear transparent discussion. what role do you think art can play in those debates? i think are going to be really powerful because it can help us imagine both the good and the bad as artists can translate the technology and the unknown into something that our imagination can,
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can deal with. and that we can connect with on an emotional level and internet to all of its artists have i think a great role to play an art act as a mediator between the real world and digital reality. it's as if we're living in 2 worlds at the same time. in one that is visible in which we can take a train, go shopping, meet other people, and another in which we are monitored and algorithms make decisions for us. artificial intelligence systems collect data and arrange the world who profits who loses out. imagine you're walking down a street and if you're an older woman, you know, you only see certain stores and certain options businesses. but if you're
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a younger man, you see lots and you see a totally different street. and that's very much what i was, you know, having nightmares about, you know, the street that i would walk down as a black woman in germany might be entirely different than the street that, you know, friends or family members are able to walk down. because they're male because why? because they're not what can our do to fight discrimination? what role kind of play is power? i think that has a great strength. it can make things accessible. i think that it's extremely important because our society is so influenced by artificial intelligence. now, people are being marginalized by these technologies and we have to speak about it. dani and the kima stuff are 2 researchers and artists based in berlin, who are exploring the question of why the world remains. so one just although there is so much artificial intelligence here there in berlin's future in
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a space where the future of the planet and humanity is explored. this is a world increasingly dominated by machines and algorithms that are discriminatory. says that ai is intertwined with racism. and sexism that after everything, the data that the systems used from the past said they're actually quite conservative systems in a sense from under the top when they're used to predict, to recommend, to underscore what to expect in the future. it's very unrealistic to expect them to be more egalitarian or fair, or anything different than the data that it's using as a basis. i have fashion her sometimes with no one insight joy ball. my name is
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a gun in american him pewter scientist and artist. she started fighting bias in algorithms after realizing that ai did not recognize her face unless she wore a white mask. the more she delved into the issue, the more she understood that it was a structural problem. ai systems do not work with black people, particularly black women so joy, when these gender shapes project is really how i started to understand that this is a whole body of research that's been done. if you're not convinced that you have a representative data set of the various possibilities for diversity in the world, then you're probably not going to have a very fair or a very expansive assessment by an algorithm of who is legitimate person, who is a person at all who is considered an individual who has access to social participation,
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who has positions of power for ai systems fed with data from the past. the answer is often white men. some of them cannot even attribute the right sex to women. still, obama, i know basden on a raid to wear her down to his. her crown seems a mystery systems. i'm sure of her hair. a wig of the fart, a toupee, maybe not. are there no words for brains that are locks this relaxed hair? and so any good first lady, even for her days, well, you know, some algorithms falter and ways that think that's wrong when they now are men. i think that what artists an artistic creators can do is help us to see me and feel what the experience of being marginalized looks like. and to help us understand, before we get so far that we discover this is how and to us what it is that we're doing by excluding certain people by creating artificial barriers that are not mediated by human contact. some video artists have started using ai and virtual
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reality themselves to offer a response. the neuroscientist ashley baucus clark has created an installation with hyphen labs, which puts users in the body of a black woman at a hair salon. many of these projects are about taking back the power of content protection, showing everything from our perspective. what do we really associate with ai? ashley and typhon labs is showing that vision of a future, a very community based future. a future without discrimination and stereotypes can artificial intelligence help to make the world a better place. i don't think that we should be working to ai to make the world together. terry, and this is something for ai might be exacerbating some of the more undesirable
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aspects of society. but we, humans can still change that ai opens up all kinds of new dimensions and the adventure has just begun. join us again next time on art's 21.
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