oh, he knows all its creatures want everything to digitize, everything, hot commodity in this global experiment. our data smart devices are embedded in our daily lives tracking i were ever in a we headed to a futuristic utopia or a digitized nightmare. the internet of everything starts january 17th on d, w a. i don't have anything to hide. you absolutely nothing about what was going on january sex with regard to the protesters or the breach on capitol hill. did you know in advance of january the 6th?

just how bad it was going to be. no, not at all in america, scores of donald trump's associates, past and present, had been subpoenaed by the congressional committee investigating the january 5th attack on the capital. my guest is one of them. jason miller was a senior advisor for the trump campaign and remains close to the former president. he joined me from new york. what have the months since the attack revealed about trumpets roll in it and his hold over the republican party. jason miller, welcome to complex zone. could be with you more than a 150 people have so far. being interviewed by the house committee investigating the events of january, the 6 you've been summoned to appear for a deposition on december, the 10th, i believe. will you be going and will you corporate with a committee?

well, at the moment my attorney is in contact with the counsel and were working something out there. a few details need to be addressed, but to be very direct with folks. i don't have anything to hide. you absolutely nothing about what was going on january 6 with regard to the protesters of the breach on capitol hill. and quite frankly, i think the activity that we saw that day was terrible. and i would also say that it's notable that of the people, the notable people within president trump's orbits who have been subpoenaed. and so i name for example, steve bannon, or mark meadows or cash patel, or even myself. none of these folks, including myself, have been questioned by the f, b i or the d o j, or any sort of law enforcement from foresman because simply, we had nothing to do with those activities. this is clearly a political exercise from the democrats. and again, i don't have anything to hide, so i have no problem going calling about for trying to make a political story out of this. you say it's a political exercise to the american people have

a right to find out as much as possible about what led to the january 6 attack. and though they have a right to expect cooperation from those who may have relevant information. well, i think that you also have to define who is the entity that should be doing that. so when you talk about say law enforcement, f, b, i the d o j. those are the appropriate avenues for finding out if there was, for example, criminal conduct conducted by somebody. but when it comes to effectively just generating a press release and trying to distract away from the failing policies of joe biden and the democrats on capitol hill. that's what we're seeing from congress. i think there are also some very clear concerns with regard to executive privilege. this is the 1st time in us history. there. a sitting president has rejected the executive privilege of a previous president. and quite frankly, i think that sets a dangerous precedent. and so those conversations in private conversations the say a present nighted state has with his staff or with other various people. think about the pandora's box. this is going to open, not just for joe biden,

when he's done, and the railroad train that's going to be coming to him with regard to hunter biden . frank and james, lobbyist brothers. okay, okay, well, that's it. we're getting a little bit off the top of the committee quotes, public reports that you took part in a meeting the day before the attack with donald trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani and steve bannon, and that you discussed overturning the results of last year's presidential election . is that true? not with regard to january 5th. that's that was in the bob cost a book. and so people know bob cost as a fake news journalist. he's not a real journalist. the only reason i would like it didn't happen then you went with them. you didn't get a hold on just one moment, you make it clear. we blackballed. bob costa would not allow president trump to sit down for an interview with him. so that's why bob costed drummed it up. so he's complete fake news. now, i did, i visit the willard one time back in december. yes. that was the case by drop by to chat with mer juliani. but i never participating in some sort of war room or some

kind of planning about january 6 or e protests. in fact, on january 6th, i was at home sitting on my couch, eating door dash, watching everything on tv along with many other people around the country. okay. did you know in advance of january the 6 just how bad it was going to be? no, not at all. then if he even had the slightest inkling of something like that, then obviously i would have said something. in fact, i don't know. even of anybody who had any idea of that artist had the day before. hold on hell the bundle all hell was going to break loose. he said that on january the 5th, so he seems to have known and seem content. i would push back and i'd say that i think you're taking a completely erroneous angle on that. what mr. banner was referring to was when the actual, what coral ballots were presented in front of vice president pants, and then there'd be the opportunity to split into the respective chambers to go into the counting and do the skills we do the debating over the merits and the accuracy of each respective state. there be a chance to say, present evidence,

whether it be of election fraud or abuse, or waste or other things that had been detected. that's very clearly what steals referring to is steve, somebody who's from a multi genera generational line of people who served in the military who fought for the united states who love their country. and again, is someone who say that i was speaking with president trump on a daily basis during this stretch. the only thing that we were ever talking about is effectively what would happen with vice president pence actually sat up there and started counting those ballots. and so there was never any conversation about what turned into some of the lawlessness that we saw. the capital be very clear, as i've said before, that's not something that we never put up with. or you'd have to be really fit in the head to think that in some way was furthering the make america great again cause which again as horrified by what i saw. it was tragic, but i'd obviously no knowledge or involvement was anything that happened on that day. ok, but steve banner did say 2 days before the 6 that jump supporters would impose

their will on congress? is that how some people in your body think democracy should work, get them up together, impose your will, through violence on americans elected representatives. so i think it's a good thing. you got to take a step back here and look at the fact that when you hear steve man and talking about action, action action, when someone like steve, who's a patriot, also affectionately referred to him as a honey badger, someone who dives and doesn't quit. steve very much refers to things such as calling offices, such as peaceful protests, such as sending emails, such as making people's opinions, heard whether be on social media or is we saw in the very be positive crowd that was down on the lips prior to the events that we saw at the capital. i know steve very closely, he would never for one second put up with any of the nonsense that we saw on capitol hill that day with regard to the people who are causing wallace acts. and

so very clearly when you hear, for example, when steve talks about the american people are gonna force there will be heard. he also says use the same type rhetoric when he says, go to your local precinct committee and register to be a precinct captain. so he was that type of language when he talks about civic activism, which is what we should all want. ok on. on january the 6th, the day of the violence you apparently spoke twice to president trump by phone. is that right? yes. and just so people know, just to kind of slow back i've spoken with a number of the the post presidency bucks. in fact, all the information that you're citing with the exception of the loser fake news journalist bob costa are largely coming from books. i sat down and proactively told, here's what happened. and so on january 6, i spoke with president trump access them more than twice that day when we spoke that morning and just kind of goes to the mindset of where things were. we were talking about the election results from the previous night in georgia where republicans lost both of those 2 senate seats. so we were talking about that. and

then also the president asked a question if i had heard anything with regard to say, crowd size or other activities with regard to the, the peaceful protest. it was happening down on the ellipse where he was going to be speaking. and then i was violent. i started before the violence started. well, well before yes, obviously those were, those are 2 completely separate different things. the, there's no such violence or hold on. let me ask me a question that you got, let me finish. and so, and then i spoke with the president the night of the 6 as i worked with him to construct the statement to make clear that that now that joe biden was the president, that we had to move in a, in orderly fashion, to make sure that the transition of power was upheld, and so i spoke with a president multiple times that day did not speak with him during the middle of the day now, but i, quite frankly take great pride in the fact that i worked with a president to make clear that it was, that was the final challenge once we got through the electoral balance being counted, that's the official marking within our legal code. as far as when that transition

of power is and formerly decided. and so i think for as a matter of fact that i was a pretty good actor on january 6th and i helped move the country in a positive direction. ok. you coded a pretty dark day in america's history, january the 6th. do you think tom should have apologized for his role in the events? after all, he was the one who told the crowd to march to the capital to pressure congress to overturn the election. he fired them up, telling them that the electron was stolen and they needed to fight get smart republicans fight. he said, no incitement to violence, there is lawyer, rudy giuliani told the crowd. let's have trial by combat. no incitement to violence there either. now if i got to push back again here, and if you're being completely forthcoming, you'd also add that president. trump also said that we need to make our opinions are peacefully and also patriotically things that didn't the class anything you as

usual, that you can't, you can't play complete, selective can't be complete. like you are going to go in and refer to something the present said you also have to give the full picture. i don't think that's particularly fair, but no to go back to your initial question. i don't think president trump has anything that he needs to apologize for. he made it very clear peacefully and patriotically. and because president trump loves his country and he absolutely bores violence of any way. and if we've probably spent upwards of $40000000.00 in the summer of 2020 on television ads, proclaiming that the republican party and president trump are the party of law and order. we rejected the violence we saw for democrats and the black lives matter movement and all of the things that the mainstream media coddled and basically encouraged as they sat there and put the cameras in front of them. i think it's really despicable that the mainstream media furthered the violence we saw in the summer of 2020. i think that i stand for it's not something president trump stands for, and neither he nor myself,

nor anyone that i know has anything to apologize for. well, you say that the trump still approves of the crowd chanting. hang mike pence, it's common sense. is it fitting for a former president to encourage vigilante style thuggery like that? i mean, look quickly, i'm up was chanting its desire to go and kill the vice president because he wouldn't overturn the election a hangman's noose was actually set up on capitol hill. here's. here's one thing. i think it's just to be respectfully blunt here. i think it's a little bit disingenuous to throw out some of the quotes, but not give the, the context what's going on in to proclaim that something is fact when it's been repeated 2nd or 3rd hand. so let me give you a key some point. the phrase or the quote the you're referring to is something that was put out in the john carl book just a couple of days ago. and back this spring, i was actually sitting about 2 feet from john carl, and about 4 feet from present. trump as the interview was taking place. and

president trump was asked the question about some of the chance that were going on . and president trump was talking about how people were very frustrated and very upset. and then they moved on to another question very quickly and no point did president trump say that, that he can don't such activity or that that was language that he would use? of course, present trump doesn't, but he never condemned. so here's, here's the thing slow down for a moment. here's the thing you weren't sitting in the room i was. and the reporter, the book author quickly went onto another question before president trump before they could even flash that out. so it was a very much a bam, bam, let's move on to the next thing. and they did. and so there was, there wasn't even an opportunity for president trump to go and go and have some big, extended conversation on it. and i think the other thing that's, that's really important for you to realize is that these, all of these books are designed to sell books. that's the whole point. they're self fulfilling, self filling prophecies where they go, they drum up controversy and then they go and try to sell it. they try to get folks

like yourself to june it up. in fact, the only thing i think the authors would be upset about is that you're not named checking, whether it's the, the john carl or the loser, bob costa, or some of these other folks. and look, there are some good books to be honest with you that that i think did a pretty good job of capturing what happened on january 6. i think that the, the phil rucker and ashley parker and carolyn book, i think, got pretty close to the pin on many of their details. not all there are some, maybe i would and stuff and doesn't know these books. you're satisfied that trump has nothing to apologize for. lindsey graham, respected republican senate and friend of jumps that on january the 7th. trump was definitely to blame for what happened on capitol hill when it to accountability. he said the president needs to understand his actions were the problem, not the solution joe biden and comma la harris lawfully elected january 6th. he said, was a self inflicted wounds. you have no sympathy with that view. no. because in fact,

lindsey graham has since backtracked that as well, and he's off playing golf for the president all the time. the thing about lindsey graham is he likes to offer up some, some hot takes every now and then. but he lindsey graham also changes his position about as often as there are days ending and why. and so lindsey graham is, is definitely walk in only why do you say he's not the only one who does that? but you, but you brought up senator graham and i'm just letting people know that since then if he was so horrified or if he thought that that was the case. why is he played golf with the president half dozen times since january 6. and why does he remain a close ally and someone who has said that he thinks president trump should in fact run again in 2024. and i think that it's when, when you, when we're talking about a heated, in very pointed not just a political debate because january 6 was, was very serious. and i do think that it, that it wards additional conversation. but i do think that it's critical, and i think that you have a responsibility to make sure that you're presenting the full picture of what

people said to your audience, so they understand. so let take like a lindsey graham. ok, well you know you're giving us your certainly giving us a different take if you like very mind what lindsey graham and others have said, patch trump should be blamed as much for his inaction on january. the 6th is anything else. when the violence began, he apparently sat for some considerable time watching it on television. this was america's commander in chief, doing nothing saying nothing, ignoring for a long time, even please from his own family to call off the mob. you think that's acceptable? i think the president trump, i said this probably before. in fact we're given a full and accurate description of some of the books have even said that some of the book authors. but president trump has, i think with raj henry 6 i think could have said something sooner. absolutely. but i also, at the same time, don't think that even if you had said something a little bit sooner, fundamentally, would have changed. what happened on that day,

and i'm gonna tell you why is we've seen the video. we've seen these images is that people are whether they're storming the barricades or climbing up walls or are doing different things. folks are not sitting there with smartphones and he can watch exactly what's going on. there certainly weren't jumbotron screens with cnn or fox news, or m s d n c, or any other outlets that were up there to where people would have seen his comments. i fundamentally don't think that would change things, but i agree going to be even even said publicly that i wish the he had said something more declared of early and again going to the point of that evening then for january 6. that's why i'm proud of my role to make sure that we had a strong statement. it was put together that made clear that there was going to be an orderly transition of power because that's where we needed to, to move to things. and then obviously in the aftermath of january 6 where we saw president trump effectively lose his 1st amendment rights, that's part of the reason why we went and launch, get her to make sure that there is a free speech platform. so that just because one side of the political aisle,

the might disagree with or dislike one, certain group of political thought, whether to the united states or quite frankly, any country around the world that there's always going to be that safe space for free, say, well, let's talk about social media because that's perhaps the biggest political battle ground these days and trump lost the powerful mega phone when he got kicked off twitter, youtube, and facebook after jeremy 6 at the time, you call that disgusting. what was so disgusting, these private media companies, they can allow or disallow any one they want on that platform that publishes, that's what publishes do. ah, so there you go. i just busted you big time. this is the, this is the difference between a publisher and a platform. so i'm very glad that you brought this up. so a publisher is something like the failing new york times, or of amazon, washington post, or even papers they like, like the wall street journal or the new york post. that is a publisher. they are responsible for every single word, every single sound that comes from their respective outlets. they have opinion so

that they can be held liable, their slander, their all sorts of things that there are in one category, a platform, going back to the 1900 ninety's when these roles were established. and there's a thing in our us code called section 23, where they said that if you're a platform essentially back then it was about blogs that you would not be held liable for the opinions other people are posting up on your site. and so here's where the, the conundrum is, where i think there needs to be, excuse me, specific reform with regard to section 230 is the fact that you can't hide behind the platform shield section 230, which is something that twitter or facebook or even quite frankly get her, it's something that we obviously have the the shield from as well. you have, you have really hold on, hold on, don't you, you have rules to hold on, but you can cut me off of this critical point cuz you got it wrong and you need to be called out on this little bit. so the publisher is something that pushes their

own opinion, a platform is not supposed to exercise political discrimination. so here in lies the rub. section 230, the current shield needs to be reform so that there can't be, as i referred to, the disgusting erosion of 1st amendment rights, where people can be a publisher with an hide behind a platform shield. now with regard together, we do have terms of service and we have what i referred to as a smart and robust moderation platform. and quite frankly, i think this is something that sets us apart from many of the other platforms that are out there. so we make sure that we don't allow hate speech. we don't allow religious or racial epithets, any of that on our platform. but we also make sure that we're always going to defend political free speech. yeah, but because we want, but this is not good. i didn't do a lot of space on this when the fact is that to platforms, as you go like twitter, trump cross the line, they saw him talking about the mob that attacked the capital as great patriots and

decided that he was glorifying violence. so they said no to the great man. so what it's called out freedom. this is what people do in free society. they stand up to that politicians and they say, no, i thought you like things like that. but here's the thing. you're, you got your fax wrong again. that's not the reason why president trump was kicked off a twitter. the reason why president trump was kicked off a twitter ultimately is because he said he wouldn't go to joe biden sanaa gratian. and which, by the way, i don't think joe biden wanted him there, i'll tell you as an advisor or president trump, i said that he shouldn't go as it is just end up being a bigger distraction than what was needed at the time. especially on the heels of january, 2nd. and so that, but that's the, that's my point there is that you have a platform, supposedly a platform to really publisher is they exercise political discrimination like twitter to kicked him off. not because of january 2nd. but because he supposedly that it was so horrific that he said he wouldn't get a job by the non gratian. but let's, let's take a step back for a moment. you are right,

they are private companies. they can ultimately decide what they're doing. my point that i'm saying, and again, this is one or 2 things we do the same time, is it? if you want to exercise political discrimination, then you shouldn't get the section to 30 shield to prevent you from being classified as a publisher. that's a critical point. ok, do you believe trump will run again? you do, don't you? and if he does, can america afford to deal with a 2nd claim? false claim that he won the election more, which one's more to seek more ruined lives as a result of him running and losing again, kind of here's what i would tell you. i don't think i don't think america can afford to not have president trump come back and i'll point to some very specific examples i'd point to the hyper inflation that hitting american families really hard right now. i would also point to the increased gas prices out, talk what the, the shipping crisis, where over a 100 ships that are camped off the coast to california. and joe biden is completely enough to dealing with it. i'd say joe biden is refused to stand up to

china. in fact, miss 9 dash line now effectively extends to honolulu. if not the west coast, we see the testing of ballistic missiles. i'd say his handling an afghan to stand where 13 service men and women were killed. was it absolute heretic? if we had the votes there, i'd say that he should be in peach simply because of that. all the effort progress made him with abraham accords has been ripped up and torn in the air as nobody respects anything the job bike does. and last but not least, the crisis at the southern border, which we are actually moving to record setting lows and go to the right direction. joe biden reversed the, remain in mexico policy catch and release all of these things. so he literally created that crisis american needs president, donald trump, back in office, that's really need polarize ation. that he's brought to politics, you know, the hatred that exists between the democrats and republicans to a degree that some people hadn't seen in our lifetimes. obviously, i just read your viewpoint, but i think this is a debate worth having for the simple fact that america is even more polarized now

than it was when president trump was an office. and that's because joe biden has been such a global disaster. and again, i think global disaster because everything that the u. s. b in the world, superpowers how these ramifications all around the world. and the country continues to become more polarized because we have such a weak leadership in the white house. the media did the american people real disservice in 2020. when they said that all we had to do is get rid of orange man, get rid of orange man. bad. get rid of the mean tweets. let's go back to our dainty tea rooms and if we just had civility with someone like sleepy joe biden, that things would be back to normal. and hunky dory, and rainbows and puppies. but in reality is i reference the hyperinflation, the immigration crises, and aggressive china, even russia is getting right here. me. now, believe me later, it's only a matter of days until russia just takes over ukraine and just like, go back to the obama by the ministration joe biden will do. nothing about it. do you think america, you think america was better off when trump was green, lighting,

and applauding all the desk spots and dictators around the world. from came john to she, jane paying to vladimir putin with whom he seems so struck up a particular friendship. at the same time as potent was hacking into america's elections and, and private email accounts of people in politics, you think america was better off of that. so i would disagree with your description of the trump administration. i would say that america was a 1000 trillion times better off under president trump. in fact, if you named check out some of those leaders that you named check, we actually had a stretch of very good piece with north korea because president trump threatened to drop fire and ferry on kim jungle. and if he didn't knock it off and guess what, kim john gun knocked it off with regard to she present, trump installed the toughest trade tariffs in our nation's history, with specifically with regard to china and actually started to bring back in

onshore american manufacturing jobs. once again, started that process going, and even with regard to russia, there's been no present that stood up to, to put into russia in the way the president. okay, certainly not, certainly, not joe biden. joe biden. ok, thanks. mila. we have to stop that. we run out of time. thanks very much indeed for being on. com. thank you for having me. i appreciate it. thank you. thank you. ah ah ah, with

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