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indiana. and i've been living next out for the last 5 years now, but denoted a, there are more people like me out there and i will be meeting them to see how they cope with the situation with corruption to the problem in new mexico. in every day they want to kill me and they try many times. they killed some of my sources just because they tuck with me. she's been digging the country soil to find out the truth. ah
ah. hello annabel. hi. good to you. how are you doing? fine, how are you? yeah, not bad. oh, we had a small trouble with security. we cause i have to inform the german authorities about my trips and for security reasons. so i did, and they said that they have to check if there is a kind of agreement for the exchange of criminals like me. and if my name is on the interpol is for read warren, so they can take me into custody. yeah, that's why they said they couldn't guarantee. oh my security. so you know,
all those things in also i was just saying how our work work became dear when you were to ward. thank god. why exactly? that's exactly what we want to talk to you about. hm . and i will have none. this is the very importance journalists who put a light on the drug trafficking issues in mexico, not only the drug cartels, but also she found documents and enlightened the relationship between the officials and these ref, cartels. so it's important and of course,
at the same time it's dangerous and that's why she had to leave for the country. now she's been living in exile where she's safe. but she keeps travelling to mexico to researchers story my own country gee, is a dangerous country for journals, spots. at least they're only putting journals in jail. but it's on comparable with mexico, instead of putting them in jail, they just simply kill them. to mexico is the most dangerous country in the world for jones
an affair. finally, my a glad to hear we're the small stick. unbelievable. it's great to have you know that was again your date. so what do you think of the country? i tell you it's huge. i tell firing county difficult the use of the video read on the news, dad and just to generalize were more though, just in these days when you were here. good. this is how this all the time my
family has been calling me. oh, if you see the news everyone can still believe everywhere. this really ski your skin now and then better when you became our target is really is really difficult because so by your lint and on saving next you've gotten general data. when winding journalist is smarter, everyone's at eyes because the countries like it is not because you are a johnny, good good could be you. could you be anyone else? yeah. it's not because your journal that that point. i had a lot to talk to you when i got to mexico, i have to be with bodyguards and i. e. god do the help because i got to the city most of the time, the worst people in my country,
i have to prove that one official has marnie has properties, has a life that doesn't correspond with this salary with dad declaration of back says, you know, all the things i have to go there. they photographs confirms that jazz dead document of the property correspond to the characteristics of their house. i couldn't stop on to now because every time that i discovered new things, i had new questions. how when, who is involved? journalist is not is not to know already. everything is mag you
questions and tried to search answers to these questions. no mothers, which is sounds sir. ah ah, we decided to meet in collateral because this is a symbolic place for a journalist who is working on mafia and this city has a huge mafia history of course. and it was really interesting smelling the stories arose i like to write. i should prefer to not write about the stories because our brain painful but in mexico then painted the is. this
is terrible. i mean, then 9096 percent of all the crimes in mexico, all the times is small ones. big, big ones. i'm pune. there's not justice. sometimes they on the justice that one big team can get a see that too foolish. yeah. i remember that i did my 1st research about drugs. when i was just 23, i discover i wire of people that used to sell drugs in corners in aberdeen. danders place in mexico city, called the people that not these dads report was my 1st a columns in there in the newspaper. and then
something terrible happened in my life. my father was kidding up a murder in the summer, 2000. i was already a journalist. he was kidnapped by more than just for money. he was a medium class businessman. and for us on to now was impossible to get justice and that change forever. my point of view fly my point of view of justice. and my point of view of my says, what is my role as, as journalist? so i really, since 2000 i really just were focus on organized crime, curb shown and impunity. ah
. when you see those in your news papers, how do you feel? i'm glad that i still be a life to be able to position this is dice because i think that people necessary to know people need to know what is happening. they're going outside mexico city with other way. hernandez was too dangerous for us, but still we want to understand the conditions under which she has been working.
and that's why we went to the state of carol, where she researched her most important story. as symbolic place to search for the relationship between now caused the government to understand the difficulties, the risks, the fears of the people. and we wanted to feel that this is my 1st time in mexico,
and that is everywhere. from the headlines of to papers to the paintings on the walls. i realize in the day of that that this is the way they cope with the feeling of death. you can see that's the respect that people they want to remember them to keep the memories alive. and the dale stairs is kind of the climb mix of this information ah, the, celebrating with music with eating and comparing our culture, which is just morning. well to that, just crying, it's a good way of cope with, with the bet. otherwise, you are always in pain. with o e via today on the day of the dead,
we always come to the cemetery. what if it's the same every year and i like the era . we lay flowers for the deceased and dig into the soil to loosen it up. also in india, immortals. but a, you know, my father is here as i don't know for him thus, plessy. i guess with a miracle, but there was no grief for my son christiano on the letter on there. whenever michael sal was, there is no where i can go and nothing although no where i can set up an altar for him or place across e. yes, he's done with all of but this is what it's like for all of us parents, maddie sta supplies. none of us really believe that our children are dead. then we're still sick, was then where to put a on
september of 2014 for a 3 kids disappear in mexico. and i tried to not cheat. i tried to, i don't care. okay, that happened there. so they are there john alleys. there are there people someone have to take care about with what i start to see that the ga i'm. is that the say really ridiculous. it bought this is that by the way it happened. i started to see some contradictions about the witness. i start to investigate and that this them a
with this said las or did some was everywhere. so his pictures were everywhere and they've been living with this pain. and they, all they need is a grave to visit and they don't have it. and i wonder if they had helped still have the real hope that one day they can hug him again or they are just searching for the truth. mm. i mean, okay, and piece of it. you begin to see the injustices. let's see what we know is that
the police and the military took our children gassy. but there were so many things that the state won't tell us actually took until they can't say my child is tell them that he's been murdered. to me, my child is still alive because they took him alive well. but i mean with a real book, i said to the authorities here, when you took my child, he was alive. you didn't take him in pieces. so i want him back just as he was in bed assholes, although you get all me and if you say that my son is no longer alive, that he's dead. yes'm. then i want his whole body, not just pieces of him melting and threw them as big as was ah ah,
i discovered that the students were attacked and disappeared by the federal police and the army because they issue is that a by employee, this to then took to process that were charging by harry because in golardo is one of the places that produce harrowing in mexico didn't even know that the joke was there. and i finally, the chief of their coon, i group caused to the jeril of their 27 battalion and called to the chief of the federal bullies as asked them. i won my jokes back. i don't care why you have did you have a little under the no, annabel hernandez that supported our cause. florida convoy yes. and she raised her
voice for us almost replace a her research i pointed to various officials. so she began to speak out about it, and that helped us, but also a little goodness. are you lena? mm mm hm. you realize how important investigative journalism is, because you're joining the family to search this the new for some. and it's not
only him what's 40 to others, but then thousands of others and unable hernandez. she's in the lack of functioning justice system in some countries like mexico turkey. john is had to wear the costume of with prosecutor, i'm afraid and behave like public's prosecutors fighting for justice searching for truth in the name of public. oh oh
record interview when a citizen of the record, joe new i do not know you, nor will i publish your name. and i strongly suggest that you tell no one absolutely no was that you spoke to make a cornelius with them and they they can look on one of the lords still your thing is that if criminals talk to me, i'll reveal the crap they himes judge not to that, don't in general do a journalist because they draw more on me to tell me the truth about their stories. they were, she was gonna give us that i will sit up with her. she came with the famous drug boss and india. russell minus think of a tele when was that roughly mr. mr. warren lloyd, those 2007 super awesome. and it was in
a house and apartment on a ranch in what context did this take place? isn't extra money in it was a meeting with his associates also for that's where i saw her a food on them. some of them just want to talk about nice things about them. but most of them really going 3rd, their crimes. i think sometimes that they try to clean themselves. maybe they feel shall gear b. yes. yes. you are the priest. i know. yeah. interesting feeling this interesting. so you are yellow colleen region. thanks to this. yeah, no. so maybe they want to, when you're in their site, no, they cannot do it because i want to destroy them. and i don't pretend to to be friendly . yeah.
mm. mm. mm. imagine yourself in a hotel room with a criminal and teaching your life and your loved ones at risk, just to reveal the truth. mm. that's what she's been doing for the last 20 years now. such extremely dangerous groups, forced to leave her country when you press event funny because they don't start. she's government on 2006. and he, supposedly he declare this song call a war against drugs in mexico. and he said, i will call back all the car. does i will liberate mexico.
mm mm. so but i discovered is that the brass event and the one the chief of police very close to him and i got your lunar they wasn't fighting against a guard. those they decide to protect wild card, to listen a lock out there and use their arm either for their of bonnie's and all the power of the state against that other guard. and of course though their guard does get very angry and they start to fight. i gained the government and the norco and i was able to document to discover these to document is how that that wire that was really because was a wire between the curtis where create a lot of a more. there's many people disappear and
me and i start to document and focus, hey, he's not a war against drugs. the government is in love. and i, my boys was the only one because the people was very scared. the journalist didn't want to talk about that. and on 2010, i was able to publish all my research so that became bay danders for the government. and for this group that a policeman, so they want to kill me and they try many times. they kill some of my sources. they disappear some me of some of my sources. they put in yell some of my sources just because they took with me ah, thinking about your mother in loved ones. would you think that maybe i shouldn't
published is form because it's so dangerous for them. yeah, almost every time. yeah. that's the most difficult, but you can be brave for yourself with food and then during the others is so much responsible that's. that's why i have to let the magic just and that is. that is why i had to let my he could. so
the one day 11 gun man arrived to my house, my bodyguards square outside. they took the control of all the area these, these 11 gunmen and what they took to my bodyguards away. my house even has a number. ok. so they and treat to the house of one neighbor. they put the guns in the head and they as way is their house of and i will hernandez and my e m. my neighbors have to said is, is, is there. i wasn't there. i glass sunday, ah, facing with a gun can change your life. i know this feeling because i faced with this come
me 2 things can happen. one you gave up and you don't want to face with it again. second thing is, you understand the result of it and you never scared again. so i guess she's the 2nd type. what happened and i fell playing soccer. funnel is does a b o you learning the song by ear or looking at the notes? i always look at the notes. let's say you wrote it down, that's as good as
a piece of paper with notes. i wrote them down. remember what i just said. oh yeah, great. mm hm. my son was just one year and long quite all these nightmares. so he started with neighborhood while the guy, before he started to walk by himself, i didn't go with i move breezy poly for my kids. i tried to build a new life for them. lamentable to la, unlocked with cloth. in. i think the best part for me to try to reveal
my part of my life here is the opportunity to my son to learn, to be happy. and i think i feel this obligation to help him to learn to we happy because like he's not just suffering the learning. yes. one second, lucille cook with i don't want to be a victim. i also want to learn to be happy is sometimes huh. with so when you go to mexico, don't to few kids or don't, i don't,
you can, you can not have these feeling because you are not able to go like darky. but every time that i took that airplane, i asked myself, i'm doing what i am doing div. taking iris to me. yes. and you are saying good bye to your son. every every time that i depart, i left to my partner. all the documents of my son, the passport, you know, the birth certificate, all the things because in these way he can protect him, he can move him. i mean,
every time i say the good bye to my son and like, you know, we're see him again because he's a possibility. well, i mean, i nice and not just some possibility for me. it sucks up a surprise. he's happy now that you, mexico, i, i know, i understand that this seems crazy, but people are lying every day in mexico because this corruption than this cost does. so it is that righty what while you are going still? because for me my country still be my home is still in my home is i love my country. i love the people that lived there. i. every time that i do an interview to our big team, i feel that i have to do something else. so what is it more important than being
a mother? some dentist ah, i don't see any mother who is brave enough to say this. this sentence shows us all dedicated those people are, are to they work and how passionate about deep professional. mm. i think those are going rambles. this is just shit in for the 40 free students from i would see not by the yahoo disappeared those. yeah, you'll see now,
but he is, will not a permanent protest can i'mma that is occupied 24 hours a day may be say, december 26th, 2014, several organizations decided to set up this protest directly across from the attorney general's office that up a little louder, yeah, can that i did, i reported a little get dewoolen. our goal is to support the parents and we also want to see justice getting them and we want these abuses to start that was because we don't want any more young people to simply disappear. mazda somebody's younger than wester at school than board, little girls credit, we want the truth. and we want just to show that we want to know what happened. we
want the guilt like to be found and called the hound to bob, and we want them to be imprisoned. just think that they have it in mexico have exceed many cases like this for me, but really incredible ease that be great at these. don't get tired of fighting. he said, beginning of the spines even day i, bayport, they strong. they boy says, asking for justice until now, make the deeper. i
looking if to load or hear bang this over there. bang another order on why for people here. another cross look, what for around here is there is here 3. they killed 3 people here. at 3 it's hard to leave every corner, he's pointing out. so one is dead. every corner on dead troops was the crime scene . mafia controlling the rules for direct trafficking.
stories from relatives who disappeared oak all around, but almost none. only cases that were sold mario has been searching for his brother for the las 9 years. it's me at man, man, man, not the last. this is my brother tomasetti good. who your he was kidnapped on july 5th 2012 that year and we'd circle about his he and we haven't seen him since he had a man unless his better luck. my sister maga had prepared food that day and she was expecting a man. no, no, you are like oh, but my brother never showed up known as the most we didn't know he'd been kidnapped until that nice. like when we received a phone call demanding 300000 vessels and exchange for his life. they love them yet, a man. we started negotiating with them for some was hanging. we told them that we didn't have the money, but we have car association houses, hospital thing, a bar any moscato cinemas, garza, they did almost, but all they wanted was money. oh yes, gideon. in the near 3 days later,
we had the money together, but they did not return. our brother to us huddled. no, no, no, they sat on them. he had a man ah, mario has been searching for his brother in the surrounding hills. ah, it must be such a desperate thing to do and he's been doing it. it's just with a hammer and a stick. and he's just thinking the soil mexico trying to find his brother.
then there you nathan, and to where a person lies buried by the the rod sinks into the ground easily. okay. yeah, because like here it goes down deep which indicates that the earth is loose or he is. has he come? one of this is how we search for our missing relative is here by trying to locate that intense mel. issue lot down, flat not be so not really the fit in don't and human remains, smell different from those of an animal i breathe. he visited, the smell is so strong that at 1st it's overwhelming or it stays and your know that oddly, i mean we couldn't stand adverse federal. sometimes we could already smell the dead from afar off it. others. the smell is carried on the air long before you see anything but in a thought. now we are happy to smell that smell, sir, i'd used to be painful, but now we are glad when we come across it which are than you are you know, sally,
well, i'm glad i wouldn't be a momma. i said press yes and it's going to combine. yeah. oh yeah, yeah. this is a connie from turkey. he doesn't speak spanish. his name is john. he's also a journalist. he's faced persecution, like me just said that he spent time in jail southern which at the ymca, i gotta get one of him. we did, i say that do looks well like you wait with you so much. let me let me take one. the young lady began yoga in a them yet get janice mother will also be a to 3 say and they did a san yos why one is did your mother's birthday?
oh i, this is the books in this coming friday is that they can visit her because he is not able to travel to turkey. he otherwise he would get arrested and not weather and said, yep, he lives as a refugee in berlin. this any better for heather emberly, she'll be through, it's 3. come on in less less she wanted them, but how long do have and see before years i can see that this. he hasn't seen her for full years or how horrible thing. but i'll come or say i heard you talk to each other to communicate to people. yeah, we can talk on full cell, but only on the phone. okay. i'll she, you know somebody. rosa maria. okay. hello. hello. hello. yeah. sorry, she's 82, natalie. i made a big mistake, and ppo,
i know ne jamal unit, her lawyer pictures, she just wants to see, ha, ha, okay. oh, i love n. so yeah. and job. she certainly like you think she thing that we hope to meet in turkey. yeah, yeah. well, i wanted to give you it as with though i'm one. okay, she's good. so she will be hosting you. yeah. okay. even though i'm on the joke of yours, when i saw a new gym, wouldn't roger know match it up? i do by what i gave give when give you the zip. where said bob, i submit. well he said she said that the grade that she can, you can do this. i'm telling her that we can do it based, but my mother don't want to use anymore is so fun. no,
i mean look in the middle. so i know i don't like to use a cell phone because then knows how to please call me and tell me things about you and i get scared and nervous. come with things come up that come up, they're going to kidnap you. get to run my age and get to get, get them. i stick honestly sets of course, thresh, she, she just say that as she don't want to have a cell phone. because sometimes she receive a phone calls, people threaten her all the saying that they can that me a, with my brain that of my sister. so she read your books to let me leave it us. see how does she feel about this?
is the 2nd disk on the left miss even us a steam with premier political. my 1st thought is to worry that because i know it will cause you trouble. yes. ok. but then i think that you're a very brave woman, but on a well, does she say to stop? don't do any more. it's dangerous. does she say that every one of the sick is secretary's math, but either came the thing or no, no, no, no, no cookie. the only thing i ask is that you take care of your kid was get to see was not the entire committed. is that your kids have nothing to do with this and that you take good care of them wouldn't. but what is natalie? and i hope you don't go out on the street too much, so they won't take you by surprise. thus she wants own grand children, wants to be a journalist, casey, they were study. i could those need to switch any of these decile. but let me one
i think i could be able to survive without going down. i decide to go back and i can do it for me. would be like, like be that is i'm not able to go to see to my mother don't do the my sister is to do the concert i love. so i have to be very, very difficult. do you have any cold stick one day you can come back and leave and mix glue in a free is a free person. i will absolutely will. what 1st i have to work more to clean the house. i want to go back to a clean house. i don't want to go back to
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