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did ukraine ending a long era of european security and stability, finland and sweden? now considering nato membership, and in years of cautious neutrality, fearful of their powerful, unpredictable neighbor to the east and ukraine, a country with massed ranks of allies all prepared to arm it's forces, yet also prepared to leave them to fight the battle alone. is this a proxy, a war or wise restraints preserving? what's left of the post world war 2, peace. i'm layla rock in berlin. in for brand golf, this is the day ah, joining nato would strengthen the whole international community that stands for our common valley. this rushes invasion of ukraine is in hops that threatens the foundation of the international order, not only in europe, but also in asia. well,
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of course, we need to protection, but i'm not sure that this is the part of creating more peace in, in, in the world. just found this has been possible. why was no global or european institution capable of stopping this wall. also coming up, it transformed how we listen to music on the move. well now it's the end of the ipod. as apple discontinued, the iconic gadget after over 2 decades. and we are introducing a product today. the takes us exactly there and that product is called i pod to have your whole music library with you at all times. is a quantum leap in listening to music. ah, 2 of you were watching on phoebe as in the united states and to all of you around the world, a very warm welcome. we begin the day with
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a warning that the war in ukraine might not be over any time soon. america spy, chief avril haines, has offered a grim outlook on the possible trajectory of vladimir putin's invasion. she says the conflict could escalates even further and become even more unpredictable. and predicting putin has never been easy, but haines believes the russian president has war aims extending far beyond the eastern dom bass region and that he still has his sights set on regime change. in order to achieve these aims, mister putin would have to resort to more extreme measures taking charge of industrial output, ordering full military mobilization inside russia, and employ even more brutality on the battlefield. here is april haines, the director of national intelligence. we assess, president putin is preparing for a prolonged conflict in ukraine during which he still intends to achieve goals.
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beyond the dumbass, we assess the putin strategic goals have probably not changed suggesting he regards the decision in late march to refocus russian forces on the dumbasses. only a temporary shift to regain the initiative after the russian military failure to capture keith. and while it was because of concerns of the future course of the war in ukraine, that british prime minister boars, johnson, travel to sweden and finland to day. there he signed agreements to come to their defense in the event of an attack. the possible aggressor was not named, but the agreements were clearly aimed at the turn. russian president vladimir putin from aggressive action. we are taking another step to string thing, our bilateral defense and security cooperation at the strategic level. and i'm very happy that you have come here to day for the signing of our bilateral political declaration of solidarity. the war in ukraine is forcing our school to make
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difficult decisions. but sovereign nations must be free to make those decisions without fear or influence or threat of retaliation. so, and if either countries should suffer a disaster or an attack, the united kingdom and sweden will assist each other in a variety of ways. it's worth emphasizing that if sweden were attacked and looked to us for help and support than we would provide it. my 1st guest is alexander kara, a ukrainian diplomats foreign policy and security expert, who was also an advisor to the minister of defense in ukraine. he enjoys me to night from key ver, very warm. welcome to the day sir. oh, we just saw it. she good to have you with as we just saw there sweden and the u. k . signing a mutual defense pact, finland agreed. a similar defense deal. both of these 2 nations may now be fast
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tracked into nato. do you think ukraine's bid to join the alliance will happen any time soon? well, it's certainly, it's not going to happen soon, but i am optimistic about there are the possibility of ukraine to enjoin in need, and actually shoot us england and sweden a join later. and they would be no, alexey harsh reaction from moscow. it will destroy the whole propaganda narrative for russia that dozier, fearful all the need to advancement towards their borders for as a primary reason why is they are fighting against you agree? so i believe for it's a wise decision for fin, london, sweden to be protected under the umbrella of nato. and certainly we wanted to have such an umbrella it back in 2008. unfortunately, it was a position or germany and france severe block. and are we now in dire straits so mostly in georgia in 2000 need when russia unleashed its force against the, the,
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so public and then since 2014 you cree soul? certainly, i would love to see you green, what was that was in nato, and i believe we will health or will season this opportunity in future, sir, even without full made our membership, your country has the next best thing, arguably, our military and financial backing from your western allies could key of potentially accept some sort of strategic neutrality aligned with them, but forever outside the defense packed. if that is what moscow wants to end this bloody war. ah, well, i believe that the uh, the contribution of the store near one sort of the defense budget to he grins, green and defense proof that those countries all the baltics borland remain in some answers are wise enough to join nato because each protected them from the same feeds it we are facing, was russia. so that's why i see no reason for you green to give up on our nato
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membership aspiration because we don't have any of that possibility to resume or a certainty editor or integrity and independence, or russia attacked us when we are non blake. non blocker country is back in 2014 and it's shifted to public athenian tours in natal membership or the decisively or from something like 45 percent to 60 and 80 or later on. so as you know, as a poor possibility or few green to secure its future, or either within nato or with special partnership or was noted states in some other countries that could provide us the guarantees no lives an article 5. now, sir, you're a diplomat, and there has been some decidedly and diplomatic language between berlin and keith in recent weeks. and some of it was born out of germany's past policies to forge closer ties with russia. r a washington bureau chief in as paul spoke to
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christopher hogan, who was the foreign policy advisor to chance their uncle america. i want to play a clip or for you to listen to and then i get your reaction. if i me basically, i think the, the idea that we had since the end of the 2nd world war after the name of germany 27000000 soviets were killed. i think for us to try and get into a better relationship with with rusher to build bridges, i think was the right right policy. we just have to realize that russia today is ready to destroy all these bridges that we have been trying to build mr. car at the christian christian who's going rather they're defending germany's policy of change through trade. is he the sending the indefensible? in your opinion? oh yes. sure. because sir joseph all are here for some reason. germany feel guilty
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of allah juice being killed during the 2nd whole war. and russians are as, as an a bill of russians and ukrainians who actually the, the bigger number was in russian service killed by the nazi during the 2nd world war. and the whole war was on our territory and not on the russian territory. so that's why these are the, the whole idea that there is a special guilt doors, russia and building all those bridges is something that special interest. and actually i would to, or i will to go to the lead in all the social democrats recently. he knows that his party is changing or revising or sporty cur, towards the russian in and other countries. and he admitted the wrong doing of such a thing like over estimating russian importance and on the simulating z consumes of the central and eastern european countries. so i believe this is right away,
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how to reassess the mistakes of the as a consequence, and governments in germany and reading of russia in general. and certainly this ignorance of the germans towards the central and eastern europeans in the air. let's say you're feeling an understanding of russia much better as and the, the, the so called all to european. so i believe or we can manage this. we and possibly there are some mistakes from ukrainian side or we haven't been trying to make a germans feel guilty for all those committed to a grant or during the 2nd world war like russia has been doing. and in underline, it's the importance of in the city nazi, but we were doing it from a totally different point of view because we, we've seen the germany and germans are realized those crimes and the, the age they changed their self, her to completely e annex. actually, it's a different case was russia. what we're see now, all these aggressive warg is agree. it's so the, the roots of these, you, sir,
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that come communism was not condemned. like, must isn't in your, in their process. and the diesel russia irrationally. do. ology is based on imperialism and communism world, but been together, even though it's an incomparable thinks of from gl, from the a seen mind. so we, we would like to see more changes in the sinking of germans. it was a got to rush in with regard to not just ukraine, buzzy whole bunch of countries here to the east or july. i to allison, a car, ukrainian diplomat foreign policy and security expert, to thank you for your time. think of invitation. united nations monitors say more than 200 children have been killed in this war, and more than 400 injured. and unicef says nearly 2 thirds of ukrainian children have been forced to flee their homes account for internally displaced. people in
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western ukraine is trying to meet the needs of school age children whose lives have been up and that are correspondent, imminent shots, fit them a visit. it takes a village to raise a child and all time i'm no exception. human. even though frankie's in western ukraine lockers have mobilized resources and manpower to give young displaced children a safe haven, martin and some friends set at his safe space with the support of antonio mexico. when the worst started to, we really wanted to make a bigger contribution and ever saw so many people who are new to our cd. it with families. and i, we also saw there was a big need in taking care of the gifts while parents to trying to figure out their life here in our city. and together with my friend who is there in education area. ah, we are open to this school camp. the school camp brings a semblance of normality back to the life of these children. still,
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all of them miss home may, can i? yes, we play dr. and hairdresser with my friend graham. i want to go home. i'm from keith, leila leonard. so the day. oh my grandmother lives here. are you? oh, we arrived on the 3rd day of war here at 10 p. m, fully or 30 then even there. i miss my friends. your way cheddar czar did always jamari. my name's my name's sophia, i'm from china here. i miss my friends that always if despite coming from very different places and not always sharing the same language or cultural background, children here quickly adapt collegial when kids from different parts of ukraine talked to each other. it's very good as they share experience as isabel of lots from eastern and central ukraine speak, russian,
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but now they're trying to speak ukrainian sometimes with a funny accent, but it's good. they're trying beyond the say the lines, the children are still experiencing the, to a mouthful. something indicators also try to address children need to talk by themselves about this. so they, they would sell as okay. we stayed in the bomb shelter for a week and then they start opening up. or we, we lived under like many c rents and then we traveled here. so they are aware. and for this particular reason we have every week our therapy sessions was lab is certified psychologists. and that they work with them through therapy, through art, through therapy for them to express themselves across ukraine. similar initiatives are tackling children's needs while they alleviates to apply to for them. they cannot replace the safety of their homes. they have loss. i'd like to welcome now
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we're james elder. he is the units of spokesperson and joyce's from live ukraine. a good day to you, sir. thank you for taking the time to take our questions. what are the main challenges displaced? ukrainian children are facing right now or several trula certainly teachers. many of them have seen the impact of wall. many of them have as you just heard on your program. have, you know, i spent time in bankers, they've seen bombardment. increasingly we see children in conflicts like this on the front lines, heavy weaponry in civilian areas. so 1st and foremost, i have been bearing the brunt of this war and trauma. that's an enormous impact. and then it's deprivation that if they have been in areas where it's been very hard to get idle humanitarian cargoes, i've not been able to reach that. it's food and water. so it's stress and it's trauma. and in a lot of instances, particularly for those children in the age, it has been a genuine threat to their lives because these heavy weaponry in civilian areas is continue. is there enough help being provided to help these children?
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i mean, the most critical help at the moment is full. these for to stop. so no, there's no, it's impossible to say that there is enough help for these children because the she scope and scale and speed of this conflict. what it's meant for children is something we haven't seen, you know, for 70 or 80 years in europe, all the world we're talking about almost a child has been displaced from their homes in you crying almost every 2nd. since this was started, that's mine going almost every 2nd since the war started, when we say displaced, we, of course, you know, i flee homes on the bombardment of the millions who had to leave the country. you crime, most of them and i had to leave their father. so there is an enormous effort going in agencies across i've just been with unicef watching frontline support and everything from counselors to nutrition to medical supplies. but he can't possibly
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still make the need because the scale of the attacks. so the impact on children remains. so horrendously large, what difficulties could children be facing? you know, once they're, they try to re adapt to life without war. i mean, we pray that it is live without war, and i think for those children of the sea who are now in, you know, poland or germany or mo, dog, it is life without war that still tumultuous. anyone who moves how so cities knows, you know, how re upheaval, of, of moving for them. moving country at a time of war, having been through that trauma and for the vast majority of these children, having left their father behind is incredibly difficult without language skills. so that's why it's so important that the governments of europe and the people of europe, you know, do welcome them, are empathetic to understand what they've enjoyed. i've spoken to hundreds of ukrainians, none of them want to leave
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a little off of much of the countries. i arriving, but i don't want to be back in their homes. so i think it's understanding and empathy about what they've been through. and of course social services to bring those children into education systems. and in conclusion, so what can parents do to help their children overcome the trauma? now it's a, it's a great question and it, at the end of the day, parents still on the front line responders. it's the moms and dads, increasingly, the moms who are the 1st people to respond to that trauma. all of that child who's seen certainly horrendous, or has seen another air raid siren and is learning that you know, an era simons get out of bed and run to your bank up. they critical. so it's 2 parts. one is what can we do for parents? that's why was asians like you to see if getting cash to parents is critical because parents have been through trauma and the moms and dads, they need to try and create places of normality. they need to try and stay away from news for a while. get online where we have education programs,
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do anything they can to break the routine of war for children, which is incredibly difficult when the nations under attack james elder unicef spokesperson. so thank you very much for your time. thank you. ah, apple is saying good bye to the ipod, the tech that changed the way we listen to music on the go more than 2 decades ago, the company decided to stop production of its latest model, the ipod touch. well, the 1st ipod had a scroll wheel and the capacity to store a whopping 1000 songs in your pocket. the latest version was lauren's launched rather in 2007 the same year that the equally iconic i phone at the market. my next guest was at the launch of the 1st i pod back in october 2001 in freed is
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the chief technology corresponded for the news platform ack ceos. and she joins me from san francisco in the united states. so good to have you with the sienna you were at. that's a very exciting launch. just how groundbreaking was the ipod back then? i mean, it really was, there were a lot of other hard drive base music players on the market. so what that mostly meant at the time is, and if you weren't carrying your walkman, which many people still were playing cassette tapes, you could store a few songs, maybe an album or to if you bought the most expensive version here, this let you take most of your music library with you and play any song you want. there were no streaming services. this was the most music you could take with you. really? anyone had ever seen up? indeed, i remember clearly like the day yesterday. now apple is pulling the plug on i pod production after over 20 years. why? well the i pod had really become integrated into your smartphone. very few people
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carry both an i pod and a smartphone. it's just easier to keep your music. all those features are there, the i pod touch had served one important purpose, which apple will still have to figure out, which is for parents that didn't want to give their kids a phone yet. and it sort of served as kind of a gateway into the i phone ecosystem. so kids were already buying apps and getting used to the i phone even without the i phone. and as they're reporting, i think we can all understand and accept that the features of the i bought are now available and other apple products like the i phone as you've been reporting. but this is still a bitter pill to swallow. for those who grew up with it and hold it dear to their hearts, i cut myself one of them for sure. i have a bunch of old ipods that still work with me and i'm looking forward to keeping them for a long time. now on what about apple itself? i mean, how important was the success of the i pod for the company? remind us having the, it was hugely important. you know,
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people forget apple basically only made the macintosh and the mac controlled about 5 percent of the market at the time. so apple was a niche player in the computer market. the ipod is what, let them expand and paved the way you know. now there are a consumer electronics of giant, the most valuable company in the world when it comes to attack. but back then, this was really the key to getting out of being a niche player in personal computers. now i'm gonna put you on the spot and i'm going to ask you to gaze in dear a crystal ball. how will we listen to music on the move in the future? any clues? well, it's already changed. a lot of people are already listening to them on wireless earbuds, things like airpods or google's pixel buds. i think some of those features will eventually migrate to these augmented reality glasses of the future. it'll take a long time for them to get here. but you know, 5 or 6 years from now, i think we'll be listening to music and
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a lot of the things we turned to our phone for, from our glasses and not very cool in our, those classes really and still have to work on their every, at the technology center technology correspondent for the new platform access. i'm not so the id now. thank you so much pleasure talking to you. thanks. ah, life in the ukrainian capital cave is slowly regaining some semblance of normality . 2 thirds of the cities inhabitants have returned. restaurants and cafes open for business. that's also true of gems and boxing a beloved sport, and ukraine is helping some people deal with the stress of war. weeks after russian forces retreated from the suburbs of cave gems have begun to reopen at the all star as boxing club anthea stay in shape while warding off anxiety and stress when,
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as well as condensed each other with the curfew in the city and restricted movement, we needed someplace to blow off steam and discharge emotional tension. good, it was naturally, this helps a lot. yes. and solution from a high. for the past 2 decades, ukraine has excelled in the boxing world with their fighters gaining a reputation for speed, movement, and fighting. i. q, the skills that also appear to have helped on the battlefield assistance. he nash cor books ethics. we have a strong boxing school, i believe. o sick lama, jenko the click, go brothers. all our boxers who are world famous and have achieved impressive results, the decision shook this and thought of these amateur athletes said, boxing clears their head and keeps them ready for whatever eliza had. it's quirky, it's camp for anne is the world's biggest live music event. eurovision song contest is back this week with qualifying rounds underway in turn. italy,
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ah, this is ukraine's entry, which is one of the favorites to win the final on saturday. the band college orchestra has been outspoken in it's a boyfriend cranium resistance to the russian invasion. since the conflict erupted the competition supposed to be all about the music but political overtones. i'm not unusual. vision. good luck to them. the day is almost done, but the conversation continues online. you'll find us on twitter either at dw news, or you can follow me. my handle is at lee law, her rock. thank you very much for keeping me company
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with a into conflict with sebastian id me a portrait. this victory day parade in moscow brought no sign of the war and ukraine is coming to an end. russia lead loan doing his power and these weapons. i'm blaming the way for his invasion, but otherwise, i will deal with him again for questions around a social democratic member of the german bundle, who joins me this week for conflict zone. next, d w. ah,
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in the years past to global power in the country has been stronger in the international order under the hindu hardliners prime minister, in remedy. but domestically the country is increasingly divided. the world of not in the 45 minutes w. oh. natural spectacle in an improved world the meeting of the little whale sharks, the remote island of say, a testament to the home of the,
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of the waters. one of them, any success stories from a bastion of biodiversity starts may 20th on dw vladimir putin victory day parade. in moscow wrought no sign of the war in ukraine is coming to an end. russia's leader flaunting his power and these weapons and blaming the west for his invasion. but will the west ever deal with him again? a question to rouse stegman, social democrat member of the german bundle dog, who joins me this week from berlin. our aim is not regime change or weakening one or the other country, but good.


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