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is taking shape around the world and download it now for in many countries in mind, trusts instead of going to close loose can attend classes only after they finish working with millions of children over the world. we ask why? because education makes the world more just rushes, retaliation against western sanctions is barking at risk rushes, slash and gas deliveries to european countries, including germany in what one german liter calls an economic attack citizen. in the global south, where russia's blockade of grain shipments could plunge up to 50000000 people into
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famine to day, whereas with a great pleasure to introduce our guests. then the lena, fun, bravo is european business and finance correspondent for the magazine. the economist i colleague here at d. w, he works with d, w russian desk. and it's a pleasure to welcome coming to us from a gonna show peacekeeping training center in a cross. welcome to you. and before i come to you dear guests, i would lion that european and us sanctions, which he referred to as an economic blitzkrieg, are actually hurting the west more than russia you. thus, only economies will company me shortly for experts estimate that the total loss is from the sanctions next year could reach as much as 400000000
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u. s. dot or past 20 percent and vend alina putting, went on to say that in fact, his government has stabilized relations. is he right? are the sanctions actually boomerang going to hurt the countries that imposed them more than russia? well, of course he's rain because of her. you know, this situation because of the aggression because off, you know, all the, the higher energy prices, higher food prices, all of that. so we are suffering the mean. i know that one economist, but he is a bit of an outlier. has said that we could see a drop in russian growth or in russia's g, d, p of up to, to them. and that's a lot right? surfaces is really a lot and next year we'll be possibly even worse. because at the moment, for instance, germany is still depends for about 35 percent of its guy. he wants to be completely independent of russian gas, which means, you know, the payments to russia will dwindle to almost nothing. and that's makes a huge,
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has a huge impact on russia, bloody that life is back to normal. life is normal, there was no, no, any kinds of crazy brush. there was. inflation is on the road and rushes ro. it's doesn't put in your all for him in the public opinion. there they're here for the public opinion, the roster completely under control of those nor panicking law nor panic. this is about, it's basically all are tourists, shock, wave of this invasion are especially new to the oppression. the russian origin is our so life is normal and producing some kind of new, new atmosphere in russian domestic politics. it's not, doesn't happen. then elaine just told us though that that she and many others, we can amik hardship for normal citizens. it might happen, but the question is how long can reach terms long terms? absolutely just but you dont know how to arrive in russell. so if it takes one year more to the effects of sanction store in the russian society, what will happen to the ukraine in this period of time?
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there are no such a wide range of sanctions in ever in the history of the, of the best and politics. but at the same time that we're in the grand crazy, western leaders have repeated almost as a kind of mantra that sanctions are only sustainable if they has the sanctions and they are friends and allies. so if you look at the international effects of western sanctions and russian retaliation, would you say any advantages? nothing. sanctions redeems, always have a tendency to hit of the mark. so you lux, reaction freezing bank account. that is not really in the mark. the spin off of that thanks is regina. i'd be in effect at barrett, but let me make this point very clear that for goal of us on this continent of africa, we think that a wall provides challenges. but i think that is for us in term. so much more
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effective, you know, i grew quite trial policies, much more credible supply chain in those systems. so in about and there been de leon also. it looks as if it does not have been that if i belong to him, i think the russians are going to see this to improve. yeah, i grew up like, i want to drill deeper on the short term. and the fact is that even before rushes is putting millions of people in mortal danger. now as a result of blockaded grain shipments and surging prices, it's predicting a hunger crisis and severely weakened. that's how millions of people feel in countries like kenya, ethiopia, in somalia, located in the horn of africa. 2000000 children just like this little girl. i was very upset. i'm worried about her condition when she came to the hospital like she would die. there is no food as crops, dry up,
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and livestock die of thirst issue in somalia. and the horn at the moment is the climate change is crisis, right? it's route where the effects of the brain crisis come in. is that a point where we need more resources to secure what be with the security before? prices are rising daily, including wheat a staple for can countries import almost half of their wheat from ukraine and russia. the longer the war and ukraine in the russian block, he of the black sea port lasts the scarcer green will become people to starve. crazy. let me put that question directly to you. which countries and which groups? well, i think come, chris, that it's or immense amount. so green, co hit from you create a create is not the fundamental green that africans each is ms. hong kong. yeah. it's about, yeah,
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this crisis must force african lead this to 10 round the agricultural policies had listed. when this was that, if africans did that said less increased our maze production by 20 percent. it took just 3 to 4 months, move beyond just narrative of africa. union, their relationship of charity, where people should always give the continental this wall class claim that the problems are all from these 2 things. the, the hunger, the challenges, the poverty predicted the agricultural policies. and we wouldn't need to treat it crazy. and on the last, as you mentioned that before our report them and can still be averted, i think we've closed a certain threshold because it's collaborating challenge challenges related to food
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insecurity. has been ongoing for the past 567 years, probably 10 years. i've been a crowd ra process that's known. in other words, a vendor lina, this war has become a crisis multiplier as it was. so. tell us if it are of food shortages, the world food crap program has now put forward a 5 point plan that it wants to g 7 to adopt. and in fact, the g 7 will be me as, as the world food program says, political solutions to an conflict now and relax the blockade of black sea ports. that is a face of a toyota, but 1st of all, on the multiplier effect. yes. so the crisis pre dated in the war and ukraine. so energy prices and food prices are ukraine. but of course the envision has made it much worse. so what can we do in the immediate future? of course we need to unblock that. it's
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a tragedy even ukrainians cannot store anything anymore because all the storage facilities are full. so that is something we can do that that could pick very quickly. most importantly, to let ships leave the port and the apparently that's one ship that left yesterday . the port of maria pull away, so it's possible, but you know that it's part of the huge problem of the whole war, logistical countries in the war and grooms. and i'm, frankly, i'm not able to solve this problem. a part of the biggest, bigger problem. richard richard borum ukraine. can i ask you that in your outside of ukrainian black sea ports? and it also says there's nothing moscow can do about that. foreign minister love rov said just recently that russia is well it to the minds of the ports itself. and he also said russia would not take advantage of an unprotected ukrainian coast. do
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you believe from what you're coming from? a russian norman, because it's your own experiences with russian filling, wanting in doing a lot of things. i would, i would look what same time, blaming russia for booking the boards and running them. so it's blame. game is a part of the war propaganda basically on both sides of the border not for the african continent, but for the work community to such. and this is the reason because g 7, so to find kind of solution, be 7 if or less so it will be sharing that meeting were to call you up now and say, what's the 1st thing we should do? what would you tell them they could bring it basically because at some point the suit, i hope we should find that it, it kind of way, although the whole situation. but it's the one in the grade book, the rest on society such and it's not getting better. i'm afraid. crazy. i know you
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wanted to speak to that point. let me ask you to just office several times on this program in recent weeks. the fact that put in blames ukraine and the west for the looming hunger crisis. whereas the west says russia is that abstained when the un voted in april the un general assembly to condemn the russian invasion. it is abstained along with 57 other countries. well, i think people on the african continent and are beginning to create your own narrative that africa doesn't want to be c nested. it's member states have an agency that is necessary for both russia, ukraine and a general western. well, i can shop part of the crisis in europe, and i think europe's mis reading of mr. putting 1st, this blog, floppy, him on de risk in 2014 way even bid did the crimea. and now study lee europeans are saying, but did you deal with for us,
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you the inability of european strategist and their own countries to understand the need to mr. put. we in africa and a student immediately he held the semester put in, but he wrote gas turbine gas from there. and they are criticising africa for voting . in particular ways. you can have your cake and eat that latch. you've taken away your wash ships from their goal for guinea. those of us who way europe's friends during the cold war. because you rush causes at now in problem. and it would be difficult for you to come back and to reestablish this relationship. because europe has taught africa has length 20 stand and it's beginning to show it again see by see we will vote according to the way that we think best shoot our national and interest. unfortunately, european analysts are consistently misreading what the continent oh,
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how the continent and that's dance. a powerful message there to europe vladimir time is clearly of the essence, particularly in the area of, of the food shortages on vladimir putin, china turkey. there are various candidates out there. i'm not sure there's someone out there who can influence voting of mine. she was very for medical state ma'am. so there must be someone who can are good to him, not try to influence him, but to try to get on the floor. but at some point, as long as put him in the power in kremlin, there must be some way to communicate to them. i know it's very, i'm europe, blame russia, ukraine, ross ross and blames everyone. and it's a blame game without any info signed. but at some point, i hope and pray for what it must be away all because otherwise, if you're going to crisis, which is bigger than what we are facing right now. and i want to wait until deeper
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into because in the face of russian retaliation western sanctions can begin to look like they're following the law of unintended consequences. as western countries are winning them, that is throwing european economies into disarray. gas is one of russia's trump cards. russian energy company gas problem has completely halted. germany's minister for economic affairs used twitter to call on people to save energy. jo, now is the time to do it. every saved kilowatt per hour, helping citizens dearly fuel electricity, heating, sanctions and supplied freezes have doubled energy prices. in some cases, the effects can be europe as over 8 percent. another record high. this means that more and more people lack the money for basic needs, such as food and housing. and it's not just in europe around the is the war in ukraine, causing a global economic crisis. and let me
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put that question, strain the world bank, the i m f a and others saying that they are drastically revising downward. they are predictions for the global economy, referring to stag flacier and to any of these organizations have the tools to find solutions. well, the, the i took a stephanie dia, i'm the big question is whether you that there will be some kind of recession, but whether it be a pre session with the copper law with a small i, which of course, we hope it will be the latter. so with a small i, you know, they'd be controlled, which is not the case yet. and, you know, it will be painful but manageable a recession with a big ah, is you know that the one thing that everybody's tit, tara, that would be very painful for the entire blog. crazy. many developing countries and emerging economies faced what we saw that low growth inflation scenario called stagflation. what would a major downturn mean?
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never from the pandemic at the enormous debt, burdens that many have taken on whatever what happened is going to be disastrous, very difficult. let's not forget that says the eighty's we've seen buried dramatic. am inc, bases. we've seen, you know, lack of jobs and increasing on employment. but to know this, mag you meant to some and around this huge numbers of people, young people, and then turn it into something positive. but i think that the finding variable day thompson and the strength of will to see who we are going to confront the challenges that we feed head on. kid is going to translate possibly into our last generation that will have a ripple,
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no repercussions. thank you very much. you know, it strikes me. we talk a lot about whether the ukraine war could become a world war. and in that case, norms me that indeed this already is a worldwide clunk conflagration. vladimir would not use the work. we're just your torch. well, but it's a huge possibly for the west to reassess sanctions. maybe yes, ma spent on do the way to solve the problem, dental it having at the moment. it's not a hot war, but it's a cold war. crazy time to reassess sanctions. a cold deputy with
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