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as couple of hours as we've been following events unfolding in madrid, we heard bosa installed in burke, the nato secretary general and drunk drama chancel off sholtes. addressing a news conference there. i wanna ask you julie about all of sholtes and the statements he made concerning. germany's contributions to nato militarily the chancellor made some promises that i don't recall hearing before. what did you make of them? yeah, these promises are the biggest contribution that we've seen since the sort of of the war in ukraine coming from germany until now. it had been smaller contingency, but now we're hearing about up to $15000.00 troops, ready to be deployed on the eastern flank. we've heard about a german troops here, german troops. yes. a 60 aircraft up to 20 marine units and also a regional navy command. in the baltic sea, so these are quite big commitments coming from germany. a country that up until the
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war started had actually been quite resistant to investing more in defense and contributing to, to nato. it had been strongly criticized, namely, and knowing the from a former american for you as president donald trump. and so, so now jer me seems to have stepped up and even that this nato summit to really going ahead with a big commitment to, to the alliance, showing that the country and its government has really understood how and nato has become. again, a very important forum and alliance at the moment we of course listened to, to transfer sholtes, so speak at length at the press conference was listening to a little bit of what he had to say. exactly. nature's important as far as security for the security of europe and peace in the world is greater than it has been for a long time. russia aggression has shattered the post war order of the last decades
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. much that we have taken for granted in our world has been called into question the security of borders, respect for international law, peaceful mechanisms to solve and settle conflicts, a civilized way of dealing with one another. in such a world, one needs good and close friends. that is how i put it at the day at the conclusion of 37 summit in elmo, and this is especially true here at natives meeting 30 soon. 32 states that stand close following the motto: one for all, for one countries that would be willing to risk life and limb to come to one side, others, one another rescue. that is what nature stands for. and that is what we felt here during the meeting in madrid, during the working sessions and during old encounters. and it's a good feeling. indeed, the true strength of our lines is to be found in the fact that we stand up follow values and principles on the foundation for our freedom on the foundation of our
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shared values and principles of our own will and conviction. because of fresh us aggression on ukraine, their international situation has changed dramatically. and nato storing the right conclusions. the new strategic concept that is, the core task of nature, remain the same. the defense of the alliance territory and the mutual defense guarantee, a shrine in friend, in article 8. what is new is our view of russia threats, aggressive policy. russia, again, constitutes a threat to the alliance and it threatens the international odor. thus nature strengthens its ability to defend itself, especially with an i to the security of its members along the eastern flank of nato . as nato, we increase our presence in the baltic states in poland in romania, slovakia, and the czech republic. the native secretary jemma said that the new full structure will equal 300000 and it will see support by
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germany in a credible and substantial manner. we announced that we would make available a combat ready brigade to defend aligns territory. and in so doing, we set the tone in the alliance. as i said, we will make available a each no navy command, and we'll assume leadership responsibility in the maritime area. in addition, the federal armed forces will make available and i'm a division it killing. $15000.00 troops to defend ne europe. more than 60 aircraft in up to 20 marine your it's, make them available on a city permanent basis with over as logistics hop in europe, be able to make a strategic him with shoot to t j. k. important contribution to the collective defense of nato. present to day already. we have enhanced our presence along the east and flan through our
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contributions to the ed survey in the crossfire, poland, and romania, and through contributing to the nato troops in the slovak republic. and have enhanced our country notion, those of your graphically made available patriot. rosie our contribution on land at sea and in the air will be enhanced and strengthened further on our call, month overdue, of the off to wall. and we will, as i said, hell will set up a maritime navy command for the affordable take. see i'm good post java result of the bonus. very good. and then you full structure of the lines will be adapted to the new citation. as i said, we will make available and i'm a division of lucas distribution novel philosophy also demonstrates figures reading books, logistics hogs in europe. we also make is to teach equally important contribution to the collect book. defend, are the lines in our discussions today, and many of our partners expressly acknowledge the substantial german contributions
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and as deep as was the case for this special fund. we agreed recently, many colleagues call this an impulse for the substantial increase of their own defense expenditures. it of course we also focused on the topic of ukraine during our meet on 3 in madrid. president savanski going does by video link and he described as he did in his contributions to the summit in the g 7, some of the situation in his country. apart from individual support, i more than 4 dozen countries, nato supports ukraine in the non lethal area in the framework of the existing major, your crown corporation. and he just so in practical times, we also have time to provide that for me placed on the fringes of the conference. interestingly enough, it we had for the very 1st time promptness from the asia pacific attend this summit . japan, korea, australia, new zealand. allow me to conclude, i express my gratitude to our host prime minister who was sanchez. this was
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a summit that was excellency, organized, and highlighted once again. what an important ail ally spine is lavon. i would also like to point out that we had the opportunity to make progress on another international issue on the fringes of this summit. and this concerns a matter that affects the western balkans issue. that is very dear to my heart. as you may know, i met more than once with the president of north macedonia is civil penalty. and i also met with by gary as president president i met with leading politicians and talked to many of them on the phone yesterday. and today we've moved much closer to solution of this conflict with french cancer presidents . he had submitted a new proposal which bear in mind at the sensitivities of all of both sides. they want to look at that proposal in the coming days. and i have the hope that we will have been able to put do away with impediments on the path to the part of the path
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of macedonia into the european union. and that was german chancellor. all of showed speaking earlier in madrid at the nato summit were still waiting for the press conference by u. s. president joe biden to begin following events with me here in studio as dw political correspondent julius, so deli julia. this has been quite a week of diplomacy for chancellor schultz. he hosted a g 7 summit in germany, then went directly to the nato summit. we heard him speaking there just a moment ago. what would you say? it was his main message coming out of this nato summit. well, definitely the fact that germany is committed to nato and that nato is committed to ukraine. so it is clear that the nato countries have now committed to supporting ukraine as long as it takes for the country to win this war and be able to defend itself from russia's aggression. and it is also clear that germany is on board
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fully in contributing to nato. and this is a sign that nato, as an alliance, has now taken back an important role within security in europe. if we think to only a few years ago when french president emanuel michael, had defined nato as brain dead. seeing that it was necessary for europe and nato countries to wake up and re enforce the alliance. while that has happened now, and it took a war on the part of russia to actually bring and nato countries to come together and really step up their contribution to the alliance and their, their efforts to step up their defense contributions. a reinvigorated on nato alliance. that is indeed what we're hearing a lot from a lot of right now. coming out of madrid summit, julia chancellor sholtes has come into power. not that long ago, the ukraine war started suddenly germany found itself having to overturn decades of
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policy deal with russia and also ukraine. and suddenly germany is now boosting its defense budget, massively 100000000000, a special fund of being an else along many other things. how much support is there among the german public for this shift in germany's posture, these are be russia and ukraine from a country where pacifism and was very strong. and there wasn't always a need or desire for the journey to really invest into defense. what has happened has garnered quite the support from the german population. if we look at polls, even now in june, we see that a majority of supports germany's efforts to help you crane and support ukraine financially. and also, militarily, and a big part of the majority of the german population also supports germany sanctions
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against russia. the question is, how long this support from the population is going to last? because germany is looking at quite a few difficulties coming, especially in the winter and the fall when it comes to rising prices, especially rising energy prices. germany was very much dependent on russian fossil fuels and it's trying to move away from those energy sources. but it is a process that takes time and with rising energy prices, the population is going to feel the hit even more when the colder months come again . so whether the, the, the german citizens are going to continue to support germany's policies is going to be a task for the government to try to, to bring forward. thank you. hello, julie. if you're just joining us here on d. w. news, we're waiting for a press conference to begin at the nato summit in madrid. us present, joe biden is expected to address that news conference any moment now we may be cutting away from a, from our coverage to, to pick that up live. meanwhile,
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at the conference for us is our corresponded to is sholtes. terry. it's cross over to you now. if it's there, i can see you. great, the terry, i'm just wondering if you could. so for us, what are the main points coming out of this pivotal nato summit that's happening in madrid right now? sure, terry. now remember heading into this summit just a couple of days ago. the big question on everyone's mind before you got 2 questions, even of expanding nato's capabilities, was whether turkey would release its block on finland and sweden. turkey had questions about about finland and sweden's a devotion to fighting terrorism. questions that those countries didn't feel were fair. took a lot of very intense talks, but then in the final moments, just before the summit was due to start turkey decided it would let finland and sweden go ahead and launch their membership bids. so we were told this morning that
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this signing ceremony is going to be on tuesday. that's where the truly, the accession process can begin for finland and sweden. after that, the other 30 allies will have to ratify in their own parliaments. this membership id and of course an annette expected um, hitches could come up, but they really aren't expecting any, although i will say we, we did hear that we have heard this before. other than that, it allowed nato then to move on to talking about what it really was here for. and that is to discuss it's next 10 year plan and how it will change in the very near term operationally to fight this threat from russia now described by the alliance as the biggest threat to its security. and what they have done is, is most visibly they're going to increase the number of troops kept on high readiness that is ready to, to head, to a crisis area within as little as a couple of days. those numbers are going to change from 40000 troops. kept at the ready to more than 300000, that is a massive boost, and that is only possible the willingness in nato member allies was only found
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after russia's war on ukraine and the realization he may not stop there. so now you will have 300000 troops, as well as much equipment pre positioned along the eastern flank. they'll be putting ammunition there. there will be more joint exercises training with the troops in these 8 countries that line up the eastern flank, headed from down from his stony, all the way to, to bulgaria. and that's something that a lot of these countries had been asking for for a long time. but nato allies simply weren't ready to do that. so you'll increase the high readiness forces. you will also put more troops now in those countries, you know, we've got the enhanced forward presence. these battle groups now they'll be boosted by thousands of troops in many of the countries that feel most vulnerable. of course, this is all going to take a lot more money. and whereas we used to be talking about 2 percent of g d p spent on national military, they're going to be talking about a lot more, 2 percent will be the floor. native secretary,
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terry general stoles hamburg likes to say, and many countries are already boosting their budgets, including of course germany. so that's where we are today. i wrapping up the 2 days of the summit and of course now we'll hear from president biden as the us goes ahead and makes more contributions, even though he's asking european allies to show shoulder more of the burden themselves. the u. s. has made his substantial announcements here at the summit to talk about those announcements. so terry, because as you say, the u. s. is already shouldering most of the burden within nato. the u. s. before the ukraine war was hoping to shift some of its focus towards china in the pacific region. now there's the war in ukraine, and it is very much occupied in dealing with that. what are, what can we expect from, from present, joe biden today? that's right. the u. s. has been trying to shift its focus to asia for many years now. and something already happens and always happens in the european sphere to
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draw it back. and that has happened again. in fact, terry, the u. s. waited to make its announcement on the abuses, it would, it would have for this $300000.00 high readiness of force so that the europeans would step up so that they couldn't say that the americans are giving so much that you know, they don't need our, our troops, our tanks are ammo. so the united states has announced that it will be, it will be beating up forces, not just in those countries where it already has them, but also will be sending ships will be increasing air policing. i mean, in countries like france in italy, in the u. k, more naval destroyers in the waters there, it will put a permanent army command and control center in poland. that's something that we will be very welcomed by the polls who long wanted something called permanent. that something that wasn't possible before when both sides were abiding by the nato, russia founding act, which, which i'm pledged, neither of them to put permanent forces near the border. of course, that went by the wayside when russia invaded ukraine. so a permanent army base in poland and, and troops up in estonia,
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for example. so the united states is putting both boots on the ground and other resources in the land in on land as well as in the air and in the sea. so yeah, this is really a very broad contribution from the united states, and i wasn't expecting that frankly, i thought that they would add more troops to the high readiness force as all allies are called upon to do. but a president biden came, was really a much more wide ranging offering and promised to europe than i had been expecting . the us is on the other side of the atlantic. most members of nato, of course, are here in europe, or they are more vulnerable to russia. for example, for example, cutting off gas supplies to the continent. how much support is there within the other 29 members? of nato, aside from the united states for continuing the nato's policy in dealing with russia and ukraine. well,
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there's unanimous support because that's the only way nato operates. and don't forget that 21 of these allies are also members of the european union. and that's the side of brussels where sanctions are undertaken. and they have been working very hard to cut off purchases from europe, of russia's fuel supplies because that's how a president putin funds this war in ukraine. so there is a lot of support led by countries along the eastern flags led by poland, led by estonia, which has cut off all gas to, to gas purchases from russia. that's something that is, is continuing to be discussed at the european union level where sanctions are sanctions are taken because nato doesn't have any sanctions. but other than that, what you hear, ally saying is that more nato is what we have always wanted. and now we're getting it, you know, it is exactly the opposite of what president putin was demanding. and if, if he thought that by invading you ukraine and threatening the countries in the vicinity that he was going to scare nato off, they continually remind him he's done just the opposite. now the unthinkable for
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that villain and sweden, how are going to come into the fold as well? so if you hear a lot of talk about how unanimous the sentiment is inside nato, i mean they, they're constantly trying to display unity in this, in this matter. and they really do have unity again this matter with turkey, finland and sweden was not about ukraine, not about russia. exactly. i wanted to ask you about that. turkey is an important member of nato. it has the 2nd largest armed forces after the united states within nato. a turkey was holding up the opportunity to bring finland and sweden into the nato alliance. it had objections and those objections were partly addressed. can you tell us about how turkey was brought around to agree on finland and sweden joining nato? this is funny because i asked this direct question to the finished president yesterday in his news conference. and he said,
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i don't know because what actually happened if you read the memo that the 3 signed a 2 days ago is basically finland and sweden, both restated. what they felt were quite robust policies against terrorism and a and they'd simply put those on creepers. but then as president said, you know, turkey really wanted us to mention the y p g and to mention fado of a to a guilt. glenn's organization, that isn't something they were really keen on doing, but they said ok, we mentioned it. we're going to make sure that support is not flowing to those organizations. considered terrorist organizations by turkey, although not by, by europe, and somehow turkey decided to let it go. of course, we do suspect that there was some indirect pressure applied by the united states. and i mean, everyone's talking about it here at the summit. and it was things like simply american, even lawmakers not being too enthusiastic about having conversations with turkey as long as they were holding up finish and swedish membership. so it seems that that sort of, there was
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a lot of indirect means to make turkey come to this decision 2 nights ago that it was ready to let finland and sweden go. because the 2 nordic countries themselves say they didn't change any of their policies. they're certainly not going to interfere with the judicial systems in their countries and allow extradition or order extradition as a president air to one wants. so i think it was just time people inside native were getting tired of this being held up for to allies that are so well qualified and that will bring so much to the alliance. julia dod, germany has sometimes shown, at least some of its political parties, shown a certain ambivalence towards nato that say, and either still one party or at least represented in the german parliament, the left party. that opposes germany's nato membership. how does germany within its particularly within the political establishment, but also within the public? what's the attitude towards nato in the situation? well, i think before russia's aggression against ukraine, the sit,
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the situation in the mood was very different. ah, germany had been hesitant to up its contribution to nato. it, i don't think it was seen as an, as a, as a forum as an organization that really brought anything to germany. the idea was that the order in europe was a peaceful one. that war could not happen in europe, that germany didn't really need a military alliance to, to, to defend it against anything. and that was probably naive thinking as facts have shown us. and now that it's become clear that russia does have the, the, the ambition or the, the will to actually attack other countries in that there is the potential that a russia could go ahead and attack a country that is within nato. it's become quite clear that a germany has the step up and that nato has to step up and be prepared for it for anything that could happen. it's, it was sort of like a reality check for, for a lot of german politicians,
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but also the normal people. citizens in germany. terry's there in madrid since joe biden became president of the united states. there's been a fundamental shift and, and the u. s. position on nato, but also on germany's position within nato. tell us a bit about the difference between donald trump's administration and the biden administration when it comes to germany's position with the nato and nato in general. so i think the biggest changes have come out of berlin, not necessarily in washington. i did. there's a completely new view of germany inside nato. now with, with a chancellor sholtes announcing that he was going to increase german defense spending, i mean, astronomically by german standards that he was going to buy a new plane. for example, that's very important to nato because it's a part of the nuclear sharing network inside the alliance of that he is willing to,
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to shift his opinion on, on providing weapons for ukraine. i'll be at not as quickly as many would like to see. these are the biggest changes, of course when president biden came in, the, a lot of the rancor between europe and the united states and between germany and the united states. dissipated because the president trump, i mean, there's no way around. it seemed to have something in for angela miracle he picked on her all the time. we've heard this from inside nato meetings that the rest of the allies would kind of keep their heads down when, when the discussion came to defense spending, because many of them were much worse than germany. but they knew the chance america was going to take the hit from president trump. so these were very interesting and for her very difficult times, i went when president biden came in, you know, the message has never been different in with any u. s. president, they're all telling europe to spend more on their own defense. this is something that changes from democratic to republican administrations. it simply was made more personal and, and really bitter in the trump administration. so not only has
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a president bite and taken a more sort of civil way of discussing, europe's typically low defense spending, but germany changed it. and so you can, there's not even the same basis for discussion any more with germany. and it's now not among the lowest spenders, i will see if any other country takes up place. but now all of the countries are talking about spending more. so this, this debate over to percent is, is going to be a thing of the past. we start talking about, i don't know, 3 percent, 4 percent, something like that. and, and surely there will be those countries that can't step up quite as quickly to that, but there is truly a really big change at nato headquarters. i think it, it can't be overstated. how much calmer the relationship is, how much easier it is for them to talk amongst themselves than it was during the trump days. ok, there has been a sea change in german thinking about the military and the need to boost is defenses. the reflected in that 100000000000 euro pledge of, of spending and, and in other ways as well. but terry, you've been dealing with native for quite some time. you've been looking at the
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nitty gritty of how nato works and what is capabilities are, ah, are there concerns within nato, about germany's ability to make a commensurate contribution to nato commensurate with its economy, given the how it has essentially downgraded its military over the past decades that is a huge concern. i mean, starting with a concern for germany, how in germany defend itself, if it, if it didn't keep its armed forces in good shape and it didn't, the germans will be the 1st to admit that, that they really needed to increase their readiness. i mean even things as, as simple as their uniforms and, and their most basic equipment was, was basically left to, you know, a by the wayside, but that everything go ahead and charge you. terry already got lied and the president, the united states. yes. speaking at the nato conference, and if you ever see please sit down, think someone else walk from the room. thank you very much for taking time to be here. i think we can all agree that this has been in historic nato summit. some of
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the folks have been cover me for a while, but year and a half ago when the 1st her g 7 meeting took place in england. i talked about the need for us to reconsider the makeup of nato, how it functioned, and come up with a different strategy for uga, for nato, and how we work together. and, and in addition to that, we also talked about the g 7, taking on additional responsibilities. before the war started, i told potent that if he invaded ukraine, nato would not only get stronger, but would get more united. and we would, she would say democracies in the world stand up in opposes aggression and defend the rules based order. that's exactly what we're seeing today. this summit was about strengthening our alliance meeting the challenges of our world as it is day
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and the threats we're going to face in the future. the last time nato drafted a new mission statement was 12 years ago at that time. and. 5 characterized russia as a partner and it didn't even mention china. the world has changed, changed a great deal since then. and nato is changing as well. at this summit, we rallied our alliances to meet both the direct threats of russia poses europe and the systemic challenges that china poses 2 roles based world order. and we've invited to new members to join nato. it was a historic act, finland, and sweden, 2 countries with a long tradition of neutrality and choosing to join nato. some of the american press, remember, when i got a phone call from the leader of fennel and sank, could he come and see me? and he came the next day and said,
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will you support my joining my country? joining nato. we got the telephony suggested, we call the leader of some of switzerland, switzerland. my good, my goodness, i'm, i'm getting really anxious here about expanding nato, a sweden. and what happened was we got in the foreign cheeks asked that she could come the next day to want to talk about joining nato. allies across the board are stepping up, increasing defense spending. a majority of them are on track for the 1st time to exceed are 2 percent of g d p commitment that they make. they agree to spend 2 percent of the g d p on defense look, for example germany. germany is committed to spending 2 percent going forward and announced a special fund for its military of more than $100000000000.00. slovakia, the czech republic and the netherlands,
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have announced they will all so many 30 percent commitment. paula romania, estonia, latvia. lithuania are doing more than 2.5 percent, some as high as 3 percent together. deploy more assets and capabilities to bolster our alliances across all domains. land air, c, cyber and space rear. we've reaffirm that our article 5 commitment is sacred and an attack on one is an attack on all, and we will defend every edge of nato territory, every inch of nato territory. for our part, the united states is doing exactly what i said, who would do it food and invaded, enhance our forest posture in europe. will station more ships in here in spain, where station, the more air defense in italy and germany. more f 30 fives in the united kingdom and to strengthen our eastern flank. no permanent headquarters for their army. 5th, cor.

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