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so frankly, as china, frankly, it's hostile towards the united states. so the co, incidentally at the moment there's a government in the united states, we share some kind of ideological views. and so i think all of these kind of contributes to the same question mark of will germany continue to be a stable country in europe? and there were similar questions about other big european countries in the united kingdom. that is being political instability that there were concerns that the hard right policy might within the next selection in front of the far right there were consensus. they could win the presidency next, selection, initially a fall, right? you to is already in power. so i think that must be said that the, those parties i can friends in italy for example, in india, european parliament refuse to even allow the a, the to be with in the right. yes. because they consider them to radical. absolutely . with the i of the, i think is considered to boot putney over the way that some members of the f t pos
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you've dealt with the legacy of world war 2. and that makes it particularly difficult for other far right. european policies to work for that. obviously there's one thing that we're going to be following closely and everybody will be watching in the next few years is what is this a f 2 strategy now to what's the next selection does, excitedly since has been declared, a extreme is the next spring. this party by germany's domestic intelligence agency, and now the good, the calls are growing louder for the data. the band. yes. so, talked about between now and i think and how are you? we've already heard, you know, input from the united states, mach ruby, this extra estate and j events criticizing this decision by the german office for the protection of the constitution that the, the, the policy is a, is an extreme right wing party fail saying that you are trying to bas much a legitimate democratic party as something extremist. so i mean this is the context
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is very, very difficult. um and yeah, the match will certainly be extremely disappointed that in this difficult environment he did not get the support that he needed from his, from his coalition, from his incoming coalition. yeah. so richard, again, we're, i'm just for our viewers are just joining us. we're hoping to learn more about what's going to happen next in the german parliament. it's been an extraordinary day so far. the parliament assembled with the expectation that it would confirm placemats as germany's incoming chancellor. he failed to in the vote, and the parties have withdrawn to their chambers and are discussing what their next moves will be. richard walker, our chief international editor, is with us here in the studio, trying to put this into context for us. it's a really complex situation, new territory, unchartered waters right now in germany,
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german parliamentary procedure and, and in terms of will not procedure perhaps, but in terms of germany, german parliamentary developments. this is of an amazing political situation. the german, he's pacing right now. we have the former chancellor off schultz having already handed in his papers to germany's federal president saying okay, i'm no longer and it's been accepted that he's no longer a chancellor. please match has not won the vote to be sworn in as chancellor yet. who's in charge of the charge from germany restaurant, we've got a bit of a political limbo here and i think get the telling will be how quickly a 2nd vote happens. if the 2nd vote happens today, then obviously this is not much of an issue. but if this process does drag on, then that will be question mark so about, about how this all goes forward. and i think that just speaks to the, you know, the unusual sack himself to meet yesterday, but the speed is but sizing of what i felt was kind of joking to john list that was
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helpful. leave a spotless office. you know that he'll hand over in a friendly manner. um, yesterday evening there was a big parade which was it tends to happen when a child so leaves office with the mother tree bands, you know, playing. they even played a beautiful song at all. i felt as requests, you know, so one of the kind of the, all of these are the mechanisms of, of the constitution have been wearing along all of these ceremonies and now yeah, quite a bunch of quite a bunch. so. all right. um, so richard the as we wait to find out what's happening in the parliament again, nobody really knows where this is going to go with this point. you were saying that i think there's 10 days that the, that we could possibly wake as i understand it, 2 weeks, 2 weeks, 2 weeks of between the time that this boat is happening and how long it could take for the next for the next travel to be sworn into the boat to take place. you get
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another boat has to take place. it's not been announced exactly when that's going to happen. and in that, in that 2 week period, i mean it's the bonus tag could potentially put forward a different candidate. and that's not what we anticipate, you know? so, you know, if one cabinet is failed to notice, obviously that there is the openness to, to put forward another company. and one interesting so fact toys about time and government says that the, the chance of germany does not need to be a member of parliament. so the, it sounds to me see if we just match is a member of the problem and you know, they could talk somebody from in another what his life and this, i mean, this interrupts a whole schedule that yes, happening right. we see this man was expected to make a couple of 4 and trips very quickly after being sworn in to office to what's, what's happening to the judge. yeah, so what we'll see obviously, even if everything does get done and dusted today, then that doesn't necessarily affect that agenda. but, but his priorities of being of this sort of speaks what we were talking about earlier about his once to engage with europe is that he wants to visit power as
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well. so and t, it's an, as paris would be the 1st visit and german french cooperation is always being seen is absolutely says the, the central kind of driving force within the european union. and that it's incredibly important for france and germany to have a kind of constructive relationship for that. it hasn't always been that drugs which in recent years has been seen very much system sponsoring along the sense that i'm on my, my call the president of france is somebody who, you know, he wants to be bold. he keeps going out there making a big speech saying that europe needs to be strategically independent. instead of making noises that you want me to move, pull a little bit further, but a bit more distance between it and the united states and become more of its own kind of global play a lot sholtes the outgoing tasks. it was always very cautious about that. so was la miracle and that the, that never really happened. think you get a sense from the french that they were looking at previous matches like, okay, great. maybe this is somebody who could actually go along with us on this.
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particularly when you have the context of a trump administration and being so at least for tara t t hostile towards europe. so this because i thinking maybe this is out moment, you know, so match his signaling as being very pop come all stable. so about relations with the amount of one of my call suggesting that this is a joy that can do business. but at the same time saying that he wants to strength and relations with poland and jeremy and poland. and i'd very difficult relations in recent years. you get a sense from the polar side that they feel the germans look down at them. if you talk to them german officials, you said you get that sense. you know, there's, there's not really in many german officials, the sense that poland is an equal partner. equally important position maps, indications you wants to change that. the power of this absolutely, absolutely crucial in, in kind of moving your up forward. typically given in the security context, it's proximity to, to ukraine, is there is
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a long border with ukraine and deep concerns among the people of poland and also a multi countries who are on that front line with, with russia and bell roofs about what the, what all this means so, yeah, so a, the center of gravity some, some are saying within europe is shifting towards the e given different and also indicating. so that's right. so the, one of the, probably just complaints about germany is being that germany has its, or japanese we're trying to make nice with russia and ignoring, you know, it's immediate neighbor night next door. and it just has to be very clear that he sees russia as, as having made a great breach of the international order by inviting ukraine. and that he wants to strength and relations with your, with pilot and ukraine. but the key of being the other likely the destination foot for match pretty soon. i think this is also important for him in terms of signaling to say, signal to ukraine, to the europeans, but also to the united states,
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to germany. if anything is going to wants to increase its support for ukraine, relevance and training off in some way. what's cross back down to the parliament now and see what's happening. our correspond, indicate a krista is standing by there. if you're just joining us, we're waiting to find out what happens next in this political mystery in germany, where we have the man who was expected to be sworn in today as chancellor of germany has failed. the 1st boat in parliament to confirm him as chancellor fleet lake mounts fell through on the 1st round, the building and the german parliament were, were wondering how things were going to proceed from here. let's see if we can bring in our chief political editor, make it a couple a she is standing by a part of the she's been following developments there for us. mikaela are you with us to thank you. i am indeed what's happening there. now the we know is,
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is there going to be another boat today? we don't know that yet. that decision is being deliberated and hasn't been taken yet as we speak. of right now the parliamentary groups and they've been gathering now for about 15 minutes on the top floor of the building. i'm signing on in the vice, talk with them buddhist talk, the parliament a gathers. they have their own meeting. who's that? and that's where this decision will be taken off. so those deliberations with the individual solomon 3 groups, that's a conservative cd. you see issue a free placemats on the social democrats, cordless and partner from the s p d. and they have to do some heavy lifting here. i'm really checking in with every individual m p as that. so this seconds of potential round would actually happen at not see, for the beach mats, humiliated,
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and also damage split to go down. and it's even further because the damage has been done to a certain degree. and the open question is whether this reading was just a demonstration of force by individual m p 's, that swedish math concepts that, that problem isn't just that to deliver and majority for him. and then he can do his executives is so the to sit and that parliament is a force to reckon with on a daily basis and on individual policies. that would be the conclusion one control . if there is a 2nd vote, which then runs smoothly. anything else would be a further escalation and would raise more fundamental questions and i checked in with the leading member of the far right, a, a c potty. just moments ago. mr. most stuff is a foreign policy spokesman, and i asked him, are they empty of celebrating this right now? and for his body was telling me that no, this is not
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a reason to celebrate for the ac. uh, he feels, uh, he was very blunted. his criticism, mostly at least mats on surprisingly because the, if he is the largest opposition force and she bases the said that if swedish math has already failed and office but doesn't know it yet himself, this is the reading of the fall, right? opposition? that is just been labeled extremist and they to a, the see told me you're not celebrating the fact that the, such a public failure of for the base not see it in the doing problem it today. so we can assume that the f, the did vote against the lake bounce in that vote in parliament for him to become chancellor. we can also assume that i guess the other opposition parties voted against them as well that are represented there in the german problem. that would be the greens and, and the left party. everyone making it very difficult for a fleet like mounts to, to make progress. here, we're in this state of limbo right now where there's a lot of speculation going on about who may have voted from within really mounts
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as coalition against him. people who should be boating for him in order for the government to, to take office some members of those parties of that coalition. the central left and center, right? haven't had, must have loaded against freely mounts and this. so in this area of time of speculation, we cannot, may i ask you what sort of arguments, mike, those representatives in parliament have from within his own party or from within the would be coalition. part of the social democrats to not support him other than to, as you've already suggested, just to say you need to be, you know, we are, we are forced to be reckoned with your in parliament or their specific policy areas where they may be trying to express their office vision to the the would be chance, looks like maps. yes, there are there to specific points we where he actually binds some internal bridges
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within his own policy. the 1st one is, is you ton on the promise of upholding the so called debt break. he used the old majority in parliament together with the green policy act, c, to get an exception to have 500000000000 euro 2nd. now, i'm an extra debt that now could, can be spent on infrastructure. and so have essentially a blank check on defense. and i just want to remind everybody that the last government broke deposit imploded because it was unable to agree to lift this very debt break. so after having a protested that he would never, ever want to change it at events, it and many feel that he broke his word also within the policy. but the bigger point is that many feel that he picked an unnecessary fights a by crossing red line. many to see it happen cross, which is when he accepted votes from the fall, right?
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a if the party to get for the 1st time a majority in parliament for a motion that was tough on migration, but that wasn't legally binding. and that was a historic fuss. there were demonstrations on the streets and many with him in his own policy. feel that the 28.5 percent, the cd you got way below the expectations of $33333.00 plus the even that was in the pulse of before that happened. that, that it was a foolish masses needs to have this profile issue in parliament to have this very public. so down on migration and that on good many from within the party. the interesting question now is what will happen in a potential 2nd round? indeed, what will happen in the 2nd round, and we don't even know when the 2nd round is going to take place. um, we simply don't know that at this point. so germany is essentially in limbo right now. the outgoing chancellor of salts has already handed in his resignation as
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it were to the german president. formally, we have the expected incoming chance for not getting confirmed by parliament. so we're really in a state of limbo and in the realm of speculation as to why people may have boated against fleet like mounts in the parliament. mikaela one more question in, in that direction we, we know about the cabinet to play like match plans to put in place. uh, there are 17 members of that cabinet 7 from the cd. you 7 from the c s. u. the bavarian sister party of the christian democrats and you have 3 from the c s. u in southern from the, the social democrats are there. could there possibly be members of the cabinet that he has agreed on who may have rubbed people the wrong way in parliament caused them to vote? so, i mean, there's been a controversy surrounding some of these would be member would be cabinet members
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that would be very unusual. uh, that disgruntlement about individual cabinet members could leads to less than your own candidates. for tanya and i keep this as the democrats that fail. having said that, of the social democrats totally diagnostics thing bias. he didn't find a new role for his cody disaster. s good use of prominence. the guy of the kind of left base of the social democrats. so this could be a demonstration of force out of those corners, but it is fuels speculation. it would actually be, it's not damaging to the social democrats that through conservative. it's on so kinds that fails, but we will never find out. this was a secret vote, and that's why such a demonstration of force doesn't carry any kind of political costs for individuals . and that's why it's, it can be so attractive for people who want to do maximum damage to flourish,
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map passively or to this coalition, or to the way decisions were made without actually feeling personal consequences. because the way the system works, eventually we do expect that to be a 2nd vote. what does that is today or not? that decision is being basically taken as we speak here. and the system will in the end only requires simple majority. so for each match is still on a safe pock to become germany's next tanza. but it's just a very bumpy pass that will let him look bruised and passive. he's just been dealt a major blow and that is something like, you know, coming out of this with a broken nose and then still having to front the german government. so as we just wait, what conclusion the parliamentary group leaders come here to come to here because they need to be sore and that this is also about their credit business. you've done
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this can happen once. but if, as upon them into a group leader, you know, and able to round up your troops to get to unites that vote. and that is the pivotal vote of this incoming a government coalition. then that could damage more people than just a free lunch mats himself. mckayla, thank you for now. we'll be coming back to you. of course, keeping an eye on what could happen next at the german parliament. let's cross over to dw political, corresponded matthew more now. he's at schloss better view. that's the rest. how long do i have the residents of the german president and that's where a fleet like mounts was expected to receive his official credentials as chancellor . but as we know, that just hasn't happened, but i'm told that matthew unfortunately cannot hear me. so we'll be happy when i come back to matthew a little while later. instead we have with us in the studio, still our chief political, our chief international editor, richard walker. richard,
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you've been following all of this. you've also been looking online at? yeah. what's been coming through from some of the agencies and the political newspapers in germany? what do you say? yes, so we, we have a couple of atlas reporting at this stage. i could, but i would emphasize this is not confirmed yet, but a couple of outlets reporting possible that they do not have dissipate sacramento voting today. and one outfit saying that there may be a 2nd round version tomorrow, but i, i would emphasize that's not true funds, but this is from the fund for the other mind. a title and also from our colleagues at a on d, that's the domestic public broadcasting. but we're gonna have to wait and see. these are early days this could be chatted, the is going in the wrong direction. but, but of course, you know, you, this does not happen today. that would almost be a signal that, you know, it's even will be as and we may perceive and that would prolong this sense of limbo
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. so, but hopefully we'll be finding out fairly soon. if, if that is the case, i'm also looking a little better at some reaction from other political parties of the green party. a leading member of the green parties are opposition, which was a part of the previous government and environmental, this kind of progressive policy. they're saying it's really up to these policies. they, it's their responsibility the, the, the conservatives and the so for democrats to get that majority, you know, that and really trying to pile responsibility on them for the, for the stability of germany very. and t a f t. so miss chandler was just referring to that she spoke to my ts most off one of the people and the saying the, the 50 was not celebrating. if we look at the leader of the f t. alice vidal was the co leader of the team. she posted on twitter on x, that distressing the match was the 1st candidate for chancellor. since the 2nd
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world war, who failed on this 1st round, a voting and saying that this shows what a kind of a, a weak foundations there are. until this eh, code coalition government in the making. so yeah, i mean, i think the f d will not want to kind of give the impression that they are bloating. i don't think any parts you want to give that impression because they don't want to give the impression that the, you know, they, they're happy to see political instability. but this very much of course, plays into the hands of 50 is saying that, you know, this is that seeing this coalition is something that is one most discrepancy that from the start. and i think for the other parties like the greens and the other parties that to you know, trying to prevent the rise of populism. still be very concerned about this because you know, will all this does is kind of mis had to an impression in the public that something
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is not lacking in german politics. that is true. richard, thank you very much for now. are cheap international editor richard walker, but if you're just joining us, we are still reeling from the news that germany's would be next. transfer of lead, like matt, has not been has not passed the 1st round, boating and the german parliament to confirm him as chancellor and a nother boat will take place. it's not clear yet when and we are covering that story, of course, extensively as soon as we get updates, we'll be coming back with more on that. but of course, there are other many, many other new stories in the world today important one. so let's look crossed it is real now. israel says it has carried out airstrikes against what it calls, who the terrorist targets in humans, port city of data on the red sea. with the rebels released video showing a massive fire. what they said was a cement factory,
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at least one person was killed. the attack came through the around, back to these fire to miss out into israel that struck near israel's main airport in telling me. meanwhile, the united nations has expressed alarm over and it was really planned to expand it's offensive. and gaza is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu says the operation will be quote, intensive, and announced. the majority of causes population would also be relocated, however, is really depends. officials say the operation will not be launched before us present. donald trump concludes his visit to the middle east next week of israel's prime minister. benjamin netanyahu says that he and his security cabinet to launching an intensive operation in gaza. the chief of staff recommended this is a way forward to, to feed him us. he believes that will also help us rescue the hostages, and i agree with not easy, not the way not giving up on anyone causes population will be moved to protect it
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for local. so you couldn't log into the net to new york, jesus or the troops to no longer retreats of to carrying out raids, but instead to cap to and control the palestinian territory. the plan does not include a date for when this way the troops would leave cause a tens of thousands of reserve as to being killed off to join the fight is really forces already control, at least a 3rd of guns a through go to close buffer zones on the board with this row for the swathes of the territory or in combat. so and so on. the is really of actuation or does israel's latest plan, would force hundreds of thousands of palestinians to move south as it intensifies fighting in the news? the move would likely exhaustive agent already die humanitarian situation.
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israel has not allowed any agent to goes have to move in 2 months, which is proposing setting up a tops new rough uh. private security companies would reportedly run the hubs to stop home us militants accessing supplies. news of israel's latest military operation was devastating for palestinians in garza who continue to lose loved ones to the fighting men. and i was surprised that these are the army, was expanding the operation looking for that. but i don't know what these are. the only hasn't done yet and goes on for different they ended. garza installed every city, every centimeter of the gods us trip just on the hospitals, searched everywhere, and liberties destroyed everything. what else have they not done them for? goodness. israel's latest plan has already prompted condemnation from the united nations and the european union. which ones that it will cost the casualties and sufferings for the palestinian population. so let's get more of this now with our
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middle east analysts. shawnee roads on is shawnee. the war is going to be expanded in gaza, but these really militaries, now it's going to expand his operations just a couple of months ago, we were talking peace negotiations and how that ended this more. how did we end up here? well, i think many is really is also wonder what is really happening because it seems like these really military plans are not really working. that's one of the palestinians are begging for an end to the suffering. so what we're seeing now is an antonio and just sent his probably one last shot at getting a must gotten done in garza, which is what's his goal for this work is since october 23. and he, because he knows the americans will not bear it for too long. he knows it is really a public well not very too long because they need to carry the burden of that were most the we service, you know, that are joining the, the army unit. and he's trying to go edit one last time. but he also says to who am i speaking as to how much you this is what's going to be, i'm going to go even wilder than i haven't even more aggressive than i have been so
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far. but you still have a small window of opportunity. the next 10 days until the end of trumps village, saudi arabia to get some sort of a deal. we also have been hearing this morning from some us books person. they are not interested in any temporary two's deals. they want to get something that we bring a complete and to the war. and we are stuck in this limbo for very long time and the cause of the millions live in there are stuck in during the dire consequences of that. what about is really, is, what does the, how do they feel about all of this? how is nothing yahoo selling this to the israeli public? well, here's a big problem then because the, the military chief of staff has already said on this very operation. he is aware it might cause the lives of the remaining is really hostages in gaza. we're talking about anything between $20.00 to $24.00 of them estimated to still be alive. and he clearly said that we know that this might risk their lives. of course, the backlash from the hostages families very strong, and they have a very wide base of support in the israeli population. but nothing else as this is
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the only way to get them out. we need to put more pressure on from us in order to release them. i'm not sure this will work because it has shown very little success so far. uh, since october 23. but this is what an attorney i was trying to do and for now it seems like it could be working. but there's still a lot of hope. it seems in israel to still manage in the next 10 days. as long as the separation is not starting on the ground to maybe get some sort of other solutions. so there's this 10 day window, while donald trump is supposed to be in the middle east. try, we don't, you know, not sure. what is the full agenda is there, but donald trump's relationship with us on yahoo is, is fairly clear how much, how much influence does the us president have on nothing. yahoo! and what's going on in israel and garza not compass heading to saudi arabia? there's a, there's a big economic for him. he wants to get a lot of money from the gulf. countries is going to be the saudis,
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democratic secretaries, and so on. and this is the focus and the idea is as well can not over take that or you know, cast and shadow on that visit to a trump is basically teachers. first announced a visit, a, as a, as a 2nd, a term president. and is where it was very clearly understanding its position there that it cannot do anything in java to risk. maybe trump a, you know, cutting the ribbon on the joint package. he wants to get from the gulf countries. and at the same time, no, no one had received the trump and trumpet ministration, supporting israel and the idea of how much going to stay in the gold strip and the use of the hostages needs to come 1st. but then at the same time, they don't fuss the detail so much. it seems like from just wants to to be done and be over with. and this is why we were talking, you know, we started this conversation, think this is probably that in the i was last chance. tom does not like losers if he feels that israel cannot achieve its goals and his going around around in circles. but it seems like it is, has been doing for the last year and a half. he will probably try to break.
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