ahead of you is news from our partners from the bbc, in 15 minutes we will return to the studio, we will have guests volodymyr omelyan and maksym rozumny, wait for us! they quarreled, the president of ukraine volodymyr'. and the prime minister of hungary viktor orban argued fiercely. why and what consequences will this have for ukraine? we will talk about this on the bbc for the next 15 minutes. i am inna kosynska. the in-person skirmish between the two leaders, zelensky and orban, has been going on for more than one week and is getting more and more intense. the day before, in an interview with a hungarian publication zelensky accused the hungarian prime minister of trying to use russia's war against ukraine for his own political interests. parliamentary elections there are scheduled for next year.

and already now the pro-government fidesz party has placed a photo of zelensky on its election billboard. this is what these advertising banners look like, which are openly against ukraine's membership in the eu. in addition to zelensky, they depict the president of the european people's party, manfred weber, and the president of the european commission, ortula fondelain. the banner reads: they will accept ukraine into the eu, but we will pay the price. vote against. zelensky stressed that he did not give his permission for his face to be used. in addition, the country began to show propaganda videos that, supposedly, the ukrainian mafia trades in weapons and drugs, and ukraine's accession to the eu will lead to the penetration of this mafia into hungary. in addition, according to zelensky, there were many cases of hungarian interference in ukraine's internal affairs, but kyiv did not publicize them, but now the ukrainian authorities will react harshly. orban did not hesitate to respond. the day before, he wrote on facebook that zelensky allegedly attacked hungarians because hungarians do not want to die. for ukraine and do not want

their money to go to ukraine - this is his quote. hungarian government spokesman zoltan kovacs also joined in and accused the ukrainian president of campaigning for opponents of the pro-government party. according to the government representative, zelensky quote: "fawns over the eu elites and demands that others finance his war." kovacs also noted that hungary does not support ukraine's accession to the eu, because it is not in the national interests of the country. the ukrainian foreign ministry responded to the accusations of hungarian officials. spokesperson of the ministry georgy tykhy wrote that the communication line of the hungarian authorities, which demonizes zelensky as ukraine, has gone off the rails. ukraine offers a complete and unconditional ceasefire, and russia rejects it and continues the war and killings with all its might. but for some reason we do not see hungary's demands for russia to agree to a ceasefire? official budapest is silent on this issue, or continues it is absurd to accuse ukraine of not wanting peace, where it is necessary to be principled, the hungarian authorities are silent.

and where it is necessary to look for points of contact, they throw baseless accusations, the hungarian authorities' bet on the primitive demonization of ukraine is losing and short-sighted, we expect that the search for imaginary enemies will someday pass, and the good-neighborliness of the two peoples will remain. in the interview that caused this public skirmish, volodymyr zelenskyy stated that hungary has repeatedly interfered in the affairs of ukraine. in particular, this dispute was preceded by the so-called spy scandal. in may. discovered a network of agents that collected intelligence data for the hungarian special services. with the details of dzaferov further. an agent network of military intelligence of hungary operated in ukraine. this was announced by the security service of ukraine. the spy was discovered in may of this year. according to the investigation, two former ukrainian military personnel turned out to be spies. they collected data for the special services of a neighboring country. the main task of the recruited ukrainians was to collect information about the military security of the transcarpathian region, that is, to identify hit. places in the ground and air

defense of the region. in addition, they were supposed to collect intelligence of a social nature. hungarian special services were interested in the opinion of local residents, how society would react if hungarian troops entered the territory of the ukrainian region. but not only the border areas. hungarian intelligence sought to collect information from the frontline and front-line regions of ukraine. according to sbu investigators, the curator of the spies was a career officer of hungarian military intelligence, and his name is known. ukrainian side. the sbu published information about the exposure of the spies immediately after their detention. in response, the hungarian authorities stated that ukraine was engaged in anti-hungarian propaganda. a statement about this was published on his social networks by hungarian foreign minister peter szártó. we, hungarians , want peace. we say no. we will not allow ourselves to be drawn into this war. these are slanderous campaigns against hungary. and these are also the reasons for the latest slanderous campaign.

by ukrainians against hungary and hungarians. moreover, the hungarian people are now is preparing to decide whether ukraine should become a member of the european union. peter szijjarto also announced the expulsion of ukrainian diplomats allegedly for espionage. in response, ukraine announced a symmetrical step. official kyiv expelled two hungarian diplomats. and this step only exacerbated diplomatic tensions between the two neighboring countries. hungary is slowing down ukraine's accession to the european union. orban has repeatedly stated that ukraine's membership would directly harm the hungarian economy. he even organized a national poll on ukraine's accession to the eu. it will last until june 20 by mail. however, critics point out that citizens are being manipulatively urged to speak out against ukraine's accession to the eu, because along with the ballots, the authorities are sending hungarians a list of risks of ukraine's accession. the opposition party tesa, however, conducted its own poll. according to the data, more than a million hungarians took part in it, and according to estimates ,

more than 58% of people answered yes to the question: do you support ukraine's accession to the european union. and more about relations ukraine and hungary we continue to talk with our guest, vitaliy dyachuk, analyst. institute of the center for european, central european strategy joins our broadcast. mr. vitaliy, i congratulate you, the diplomatic relations between ukraine and hungary were previously quite difficult too. now here is this public dispute between zelensky and orban, what next, what consequences can it have? i congratulate you, well, in general , the fact that ukraine has finally spoken, through, let's say, through the hungarian media, but on the territory of hungary, and not through its own media. through various international channels, this is already a big plus, and the fact that volodymyr zelensky gave an interview to this hungarian media is also a good sign for ukraine, because ukraine actually does not have its voice in hungary right now , except for the

ukrainian-friendly hungarian anti-systemic media, which partially support ukraine, have their own rhetoric and are not yet controlled by the government, and so far they... have the opportunity to speak on the territory of hungary, and precisely because this interview was published in this hungarian media media, in my opinion, this should encourage hungarians to look for the original source, to look for the meaning of this interview with volodymyr zelensky, and will perhaps give some impetus to the fact that hungarian society does not receive information only about those me... that are under the control of the hungarian government, but this is the majority of the media space in hungary, what has happened over the last month, what we are observing, this indicates that hungary actually has a broader interest, and a broader

approach to transcarpathia itself, to ukrainian transcarpathia, starting from the soft power that we have been observing for many years, more than 15 years, that's for sure. and since viktor orban came to power, this is what volodymyr zelensky actually talked about in an interview, this is such a soft power that was spread through education, through culture, through the media that are financed by the hungarian government in transcarpathia, through the financing of various different programs, including for business, and including the same passportization that was talked about many years ago and which also had such a resonance, now this sphere has expanded even to official intelligence, and i saw a very positive step in the fact that volodymyr zelensky did not actually accuse viktor orban of espionage, he placed the responsibility directly on hungarian intelligence,

leaving such a gesture to viktor orban to maneuver, and... the minister of foreign affairs, hryhoriy tykhyi, he precisely emphasized that these steps towards it should be mutual, should be from both sides, that is, in fact, now the ball is in hungary's court. but in your opinion, what goal did hungary pursue? organizing this espionage operation in transcarpathia? well, probably, in order to say for sure, you need to ask those who were behind this espionage story, unfortunately, we cannot do this. uh, but we have information, including from the ukrainian president , that nato countries, in fact, did not order such data, they are not interested in such data, uh, the important factor is that hungarian, hungarian intelligence, it has actually stopped

sharing its intelligence data, in particular regarding russia, with intelligence of nato countries with intelligence alliances, and already. several years here this communication at the level of intelligence services, it has become more formalized, that is, nato intelligence does not provide hungary with relevant, current important data. no, hungary does not share it. how can hungary use this, this information? we see the growth of russian influence in the region, uh, we see some interest in cooperation between russia and hungary. you can draw some parallels, but you should be very careful in this. we see that a lot data is used by hungary in manipulation, precisely in the area of ​​ukraine's accession to the european union and it is not excluded that the collected such sensitive data could be used in the next

steps, namely in the election campaign. thank you, unfortunately, we don't have more time to talk. vitaliy dyachuk, analyst at the central european strategy institute, because you are with us on the air. thank you again. hungarian prime minister viktor orban is known for his loud statements against ukraine. he compared it to afghanistan, spoke against the provision of military and financial assistance and against ukraine's accession to the eu. and what else did he say? my colleague olga palamaryuk collected his sharpest statements. let's listen. the conflicts between ukraine and hungary began in the spring of 2014, when viktor orban, in the midst of russian aggression, demanded autonomy for the hungarians of transcarpathia. they have the right to dual citizenship and autonomy - orban said then. and the new law on education three years later only exacerbated the already difficult relations between kyiv and budapest. name. protest hungary declared, will block further integration of ukraine into eu and nato.

these issues will later appear from time to time in the rhetoric of the hungarian prime minister. viktor orban condemned the full-scale invasion of ukraine by russia in february 2022, but immediately identified a red line to support the victim of aggression. no involvement of hungary in the war, no military assistance and no energy sanctions against russia. instead, orban promised to provide humanitarian assistance. both with the statement and the trip itself to russia. in 2025 , orban often said: "i do not want to see ukraine in the eu, and even initiated a corresponding survey among hungarians. here is a photo. orban puts a mark in the column against on the ballot, where there was a question about supporting ukraine's membership in the eu. he also once again stated that ukraine cannot join nato, because according to orban, this will cause war with russia. so the president of ukraine volodymyr'. zelensky and the prime minister of hungary viktor orban argued fiercely after the interview with the ukrainian president. zelensky accused the hungarian

the premier is that he is using ukraine for his electoral purposes. the in-person skirmish between the two leaders has been going on for more than a week, since the ukrainian security service discovered the hungarian spy network in transcarpathia. as president zelensky said, before that there were many cases of hungarian interference in ukraine's internal affairs, but kyiv did not publicize them. however, now the ukrainian authorities have taken a tougher position. we will monitor the situation. in the meantime, subscribe to our pages on social networks so as not to miss the most important news, we are on facebook, instagram, tiktok, youtube, you can watch our episode if you missed it on air, that's all for today, more stories on our website, we'll see you tomorrow at the same time, all the best, goodbye. in the second part of the program, the verdict with serhiy rudenko.

aid budget cuts. the trump administration plans to significantly reduce spending on military support for ukraine starting next year. can kyiv completely rely solely on european allies? a colossus on clay feet. the russian national welfare fund may be completely exhausted in 2000. in the 26th year, if oil remains cheap, will the group of seven agree to finally collapse the russian economy. scraps of russian state security. instead of another revenge on ukraine, putin discussed at his security council the state policy of protecting traditional spiritual and moral values. what narratives does the kremlin want to promote in the world?

greetings, friends, live on the espresso tv channel, the second part of the verdict program, my name is sergey rudenko. i remind you that along with the live broadcast , we are working on several platforms, including youtube and facebook. for those who are watching us there now, please join us. our pages on these platforms and take part in our survey. today we are asking you the following: do you hope for the continuation of american military aid? yes, no, please. if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments under this video. if you are watching us on tv, take your smartphone or phone and vote for the numbers. yes, 0800 211 381, no, 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free of charge,

vote, at the end of the program we will summarize the results of this vote. i would like to introduce myself. our guest today is volodymyr omelyan, a politician, diplomat, former minister of infrastructure of ukraine. mr. volodymyr, i welcome you, i am glad to see you on the air of the tv channel. sergey, good evening, thank you for the invitation. how would you, mr. volodymyr, answer the question that we are articulating today to our viewers and tv viewers. do you hope for the continuation of american military aid? well, you can hope in the church, right? yes, by god, i would like us to be pragmatic and, first of all , to build our role in the war in such a way that we are as independent as possible from any aid, and this means creating a full-fledged closed loop of the military-industrial complex where possible, it is certainly difficult to talk about the production

of combat aircraft or certain types of armaments now, but for most things we are able to produce... everything from scratch, so on this we need to concentrate our efforts and receive the assistance from our allies that they are able to provide, of course, emphasizing that it must be in full. it is critically important for us to keep the united states as our strategic partner and ally, and only one. well, obviously, the ukrainian state is counting not only on the united states of america but on our partners, in particular from eastern europe, because... today , a large forum, a summit, ukraine-southeastern europe, is taking place in odessa, and the president has already spoken there ukraine, who stated that the russian federation plans to seize odessa and then advance to the border with moldova and romania, let's listen to what zelensky said. we are here today in our beautiful

city of odessa, this beautiful city is a target for russia, and russia wants to... destroy it, as it has already done with countless cities, villages, in the occupied territories. russian military plans point to this region, odessa and then to the border with moldova and romania, and of course we need protection already, but even more, we need long-term guarantees that this will never happen again. mr. volodymyr, how do you assess this statement by zelensky, and in general all the predictions that are now being made about the offensive in sumy region, in kharkiv region, and pavlo palisa, deputy head of the office of the president of ukraine, while in washington, said in general that the russians plan to go next year,

actually to the west of ukraine to the dnieper, practically throughout ukraine. well, volodymyr oleksandrovych has long needed to understand that he is the president of a warring states, and not a third-rate actor of a cheap soap opera who can say completely opposite things in each new episode. the fact that this is a full-scale war, and that the main idea of ​​russia is to seize all of ukraine, was obvious long ago from the very beginning. at first , tselensky rejected in every possible way, then told fairy tales that we will drink coffee there. in crimea, and everything will be quick and successful. now we are again talking about the fact that odessa is under threat, access to moldova romania, access to the carpathians and everything else. he should, but i understand that he incapable, and it is already obvious that he will not be able to do this, but nevertheless to concentrate his efforts on determining the right priorities for the country. what do we need for victory, what weapons does

russia use and plan to use, how to counter them, how to hit targets on russian territory? this is his function as the supreme commander-in-chief, but i do not see any real efforts on his part to form adequate, effective teams that are capable of implementing all these things, each at their own level and in their own vertical, so you know, i think that listening to zelensky is the same as listening to trump, each of them is talking about something different, but it has little to do with reality. let's listen to trump now, he, as always, said and said a lot in a conversation for the vanvan podcast, he emphasized that... that the war in ukraine is cruel and there has been nothing like it since world war ii, and he also said that his conversation with putin on

june 4 did not yield anything. let's listen to trump. he talked about what he wants and what doesn't want to. we had a good conversation, but so far it hasn't yielded anything. maybe he doesn't care, but he's losing a lot of soldiers. like ukraine, we'll see how it goes, because we're making progress, and then suddenly something gets bombed that shouldn't have been bombed and that's the end of progress. mr. volodymyr, trump has taken the phrase "stop the war, i'll sit down at the negotiating table, i'll make an agreement with my friend volodymyr, i'll do everything to end this bloody... war, why has trump now turned into into an observer and a person who simply states the facts:

he talked to putin, he doesn't want to stop, but it will be worse for him, he talked to zelensky, zelensky also, according to trump, is not stopping, and perhaps i will impose sanctions against both sides, well, where did trump's active position... or active rhetoric go, i believe that at a certain stage, perhaps, but the trump administration, which will completely take over the management of the state, leaving it on the golf course or somewhere behind the scenes of the white house home, will come to the same conclusion, only 200 or 300 f16, f-35 can guarantee peace and create all the foundations for peace there, which... will simply demolish all the lines of the red army, just as thousands of ukrainian missiles, not even super-sophisticated ones, but ordinary fao-1s, which were produced by the germans back

in the second, first, well, in the middle of the 20th century, which should simply destroy all russian logistics and their weapons production centers, i don't know why zelensky doesn't do this too, because it's obvious and seemed completely simple to do, having the desire for minimal funding. is trump ready to turn the gun against his friend putin? apparently, he is not ready, but i think that the stage will definitely come when his personal opinion and his personal desires will no longer worry the american establishment much. he is losing power. this is becoming more and more obvious. despite all his authoritarian ways and his desire to take everything under his control, he is not able to do it, as zelensky is not able to do either. it is simply a conditional situation for him... favorable for the country is extremely unfavorable and difficult. then a pandemic, then an economic crisis, then a pandemic, then a war, but such happiness in quotes will last, it cannot last forever, and i think

that at some turn of the spiral of history we will certainly come to this moment, that the russian army must be disbanded, the kremlin must be destroyed, and the russian state must be destroyed, this is the only guarantee of peace, long and stable. in other words, mr. vladimir, you want to say that trump - this does not mean, equal to the united states of america, that there is trump, who is elected president of the united states of america, but the united states of america, the position of the united states of america, can it be much broader than trump's position? i believe that the turning point occurred on april 9 of this year, when trump was under pressure. the deep state was forced to back down from its naively dangerously destructive plan of mega-rifts against everyone and the blockade of virtually

world trade, and after that it became quite vulnerable, that's actually the term being formed, so and uh there are more and more reasons to believe that it is less and less affects the situation, even the recent skirmish. his heated words with musk, when, it seems, yesterday or today, musk was forced to step back and say, sorry for his heated words to the powerful president, it only shows this chasm that is growing between trump and his entourage, that in fact there is a rather powerful wing that is extremely dissatisfied with the policies of the current administration, these are mostly his people, literally yesterday's supporters, who invested a lot in his victory, but understand that they are being put on... konyaku, and therefore i believe that one way or another, but the republicans, those who are able to influence trump, this is his closest

environment, everything will be. will increasingly influence the formation of his opinion and the departure from traditional american values ​​and world positions. against this background, president putin, or dictator putin, it would be more accurate to say, is trying to demonstrate that everything is going as he planned in russia. the radebes was held by another one who was accustomed to traditional values. during the meeting of this. putin demanded not to isolate russian culture from western influences, but actively to plant it abroad. let's listen to what putin said. at the same time, we must understand that some individual prohibitions, attempts to strictly distance ourselves from the global information system, the global information space in the modern world are absolutely ineffective.

we need to consistently and... actively promote our values, form our humanitarian, cultural meanings, which are in demand both in the country and in the world. in fact, it was expected that at this security council putin would discuss with his henchmen, how to give a response, a worthy one, in his opinion, to the ukrainians who conducted a special operation that was in all of russia, which was called web, as well as a strike on... the kerch bridge, as well as strikes by ukrainian drones on military facilities, but we see that putin decided to focus on this russian culture, which should penetrate everywhere, and emphasized that hybrid warfare is one of the elements of this war. why, in your opinion, is putin trying to avoid

talking about this special operation? ukrainians are a web and trying to shift the emphasis, is this a special operation, how are russians not ready to talk about it publicly? traditionally, the history of the kremlin and not even putin. with any defeat, they step aside, try to pretend that there was no defeat at all, then they start to lie about it, turn it almost into a victory, but in a short time after... this event, they simply hushed it up, putin chose this same tactic, because he understands that this is a catastrophic blow to the prestige and real mission of the red army, those things that were destroyed at the airfields cannot be restored, russian industry no longer produces them, and this is a significant blow, because this was one of the means by which they threatened

not only ukraine, but the entire west. putin has a different story, he is desperately searching for an ideology that could unite countries sympathetic to russia around the kremlin. there is no communism, that is...