for his idea, negotiations against the backdrop of the military, of course, and now we are just getting here, so i think that if sibiga has formulated, so to speak, a position that is definitely agreed with the president, and if the president now, by the way, at all these three meetings, confirms this position and says that dear friends, we do not want to play this putin theater, because this is a substitution of concepts and this is a lie that you are being led to, so let 's either make some... tough decisions, or we then say that such negotiations simply do not exist, well, this is the question, we have such an eternal dilemma, on the one hand it is absolutely clear that negotiations during hostilities are at least a rejection of this initial idea with which trump came to power, you cease fire so that there is no killing of people and talk, but if we say that we want to act as you initially proposed, then we cause hysteria on the part of the same trump, who suddenly forgot to remind us of his first proposals. that

we agreed with all your proposals, the cessation of the fire war yes, istanbul yes, there are meetings at the highest level yes, there is nothing, and this is not our right, this is putin's right, so please, work with him, tell him that you want to achieve peace, we support you, well , it is necessary to play in such cases sometimes, so to speak... well , in a manner that is understandable for a partner, well, but he himself said that he does not remember when he proposed an unconditional ceasefire, everyone told him about it, remember, during this last trump's conversations with zelensky, he was reminded of all this, you all suggested it yourself, we all agreed, now that i don't remember, i forgot, well he forgot, no, well yes, well yes, well there are, there are recorded, well the same, excuse me, vicissitudes that can be demonstrated. it must be here here, well

say that somewhere it just seems to me that after all these things that are already lying on the surface, well speak out against them and say something against, well because i just thought that this was the right approach, many people said, no, we can't stop the fire, russia will rearm, and i just thought that this was the right approach, because if we stop the fire, we will create... we will achieve that the europeans will at least stand on ukrainian soil, at least on the side or there, as they say, a camp, and this camp will not be at the yevoriv training ground, a little closer to here, to the dnieper, at least, this will mean... that no russia, no

putin will ever set foot here again, sorry for that, it's not a diplomatic word, because he will know that this will be contact with the french, poles, germans, dutch, danes and so on and so on, and this is nato, well, he may want to go down the back door somewhere in the baltics, relatively speaking, in such a situation, to see how they will be, but here, mr. vitali, i also hear such things, that now they say 200 green men will change clothes and they will go to narva, for example, well, narva is a good place for such a provocation , i will say right away, he is not there about russian politicians being raised, so that , well, i would do it in our place dear estonian friends and brothers and in principle nato members, i would make a political statement, simply a political statement, which would say that dear friends, we inform you that in the event of the appearance on the territory of any city or town of estonia, the unknown there narva or whoever, a nato member country, one could say.

those who do not have identification marks, who have some kind of weapon with them, will be considered terrorists and will be immediately destroyed, that's all, well, and the message, of course, for this you need to have a little strength and opportunities, well, but they there are, for what , 2-3 thousand thugs from the russian special forces there, well, they have... counterparts in the nato camp, who can also very calmly say yes, we know that in case of something we will simply open fire on you to destroy you without any warnings, we warned you publicly, politically and so on, everything, well , actually, maybe you don't need to make a statement, but just strengthen the borders, well, that goes without saying, but you know, it seems to me that when there is a political , so to speak, step and warning, well then that's it, then it's clear to everyone that you were warned, you didn't... understood, well it's like

trump warned iran, 60 days, well no, no , no, didn't hear, well i got it, it 's the same here, you were warned not to get into a fight, you didn't listen, so you're from... well and that's it, you didn't destroy the russians, you didn't destroy an unidentified flying object, or an unidentified moving object and that's it, well you see that unlike the finnish border with russia, the estonian border is not even closed, people move across these borders, the baltics by the way, the countries still haven't closed these borders, no matter what, they are observing the quiet hours, let's say, which they signed with russia, transit to the kaliningrad region, it will happen. russian trains are going, people from them are even fleeing to the european union, these are internal trains, well, all this is happening, well, yes, it's true, you know, you can always put up a three-meter fence along the railway, it

can be appropriately equipped with appropriate devices and observation and protection along the route on... they still go, you can do the same, or do, well, appropriate checks at the entrance, at the exit and so on, well, that is, there is an opportunity to react one way or another, the worst thing, it seems to me, you know, mr. vitaliy, what the problem is, that our european partners are afraid to react, that's the problem, they are afraid to say what, in principle, should have been said a long time ago, and then the russians, well, very serious problems arise, because, well , because, well, remember... you know, in crimea, these are not our people, then these are our people, well , it's obvious to everyone, it's clear what we're talking about, the same here, if these are not your people, we will destroy them, we do not know how many people they are, they are terrorists, terrorists must be destroyed, as you yourself say, well, by the way, there should have been an

international approach to crimea, when they said that they did not know who it was, well, this was an attack by a terrorist organization, this should have been an approach for us, for ourselves, you know, when we listened to president obama and did not take the measures that should have been taken, we had the opportunity in the first hours and even on the first day to turn the situation around in a different way, if we didn't have pacifists in kyiv who were saying that not a single tank would come out of any ukrainian barracks, because we are very peaceful, well, we were peaceful then, well, it's true, not only was our position not like that then, well, if there wasn't acting president oleksandr turchyn there. there was only one left, so in fact, everyone else said that no, we won't react to this, you, in your country there is an attempt to seize your territory, and you sit and pretend that it will somehow resolve itself, i don't like such politicians i don't understand, well, there

was also a problem with the western position, there really was no support from the west, and there was blackmail from russia at the same time, remember that there was intimidation from the then chairman of the state duma of the russian federation sergey ryshkin, and the americans really said that it was not necessary, we, i, we all, the president will talk to putin and settle everything, and remember that this is a cascade of calls absolutely, i remember, but you know, i remember in this case again israel, when, when, before the famous war of 67, the americans also called and said that in no case did israeli politicians send american comrades somewhere far away. and did what they had to do, you know, sometimes in politics you have to listen, but to pursue the line that, that you have to pursue in accordance with your national interests. what was done in the 14th year in crimea, i believe that it was,

well, actually a betrayal of national interests on the part of those people who were responsible for the security of ukraine at that time. well, there was no army there, as you remember, even ours the servicemen were not ready for this, they wanted to be withdrawn. the troops, mr. vitaly , at the time i was involved in the black sea fleet , i know very well how many russian troops were there at the time when they started bringing in these little green men, our troops were more than more than that, that's true , that's why we just had to give the command, but again, psychologically, our people couldn't get over the barrier that they would shoot at the russians, this society even had a general public opinion before that. so now everyone is ready for everything, thank you, mr. volodymyr, thank you, mr. vitaly, as always, nice, thank you, volodymyr hryska, diplomat, former minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, head of the center for the study of russia, which he despises, despises,

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and we continue the topic of the united states, but with our other guest, igor eisenberg, a professor at manhattan university. congratulations, mr. igor. congratulations, mr. vitaliy. president trump's birthday is over, it's over, the military parade is over, the protests are over, let's assess the potential of the protests. these were no... more protests after january 20 , according to the police and city hall estimates, the protests took place in about two thousand cities, in all 50%. in the states , about 5 million people took part in them, according to the organizers 11 million, according to fox , millions, so these were really big protests, i was at a demonstration in new york in manhattan yesterday, there at the beginning of the demonstration there were again , according to estimates by the city hall and the police, from

50 to 80 thousand, but it lasted for three hours, so there were actually significantly more people, really the whole fifth of the apple didn't fall, but how much attention does the administration pay to all this, if you really look at it? it seems to me that donald trump himself pays attention to this attention, because he likes to watch tv, and he watches fox channel, and not only fox channel, because he very often tweets with comments in connection with various tv programs, not only fox channel, so it is clear that... he saw them, heard what they said there, after that i comment, but even fox channel told him that there were millions of people, millions of people on the streets, and well, i don't know, i'm from los angeles, what was there, so they used tear gas there to

drive the demonstrators away the district where the federal building is located, where various federal organizations are in... everything went very, very peacefully, including the migration police, for example, in new york the police on the contrary even, i would say, protected the demonstration from possible some excesses, but there were no excesses. well, okay, but what do people count on, that they will be heard, or is this just actually such preparation for the elections next year? i would say that both, people of course want to be heard, well, and this... you see, you listen to what people are talking about, and you enter into conversations yourself, with whom you are around, people really, they hope to be heard, and of course, this is also preparation for the elections next year, because this, well, people are expressing that they absolutely

do not like what is being done, and that there is simply a threat of establishing an authoritarian regime in the country. how long is it possible to establish an authoritarian regime in a country like america , how many half a year of this presidency have already passed there, it will soon be so it's hard, much harder than, say, putin establishing an authoritarian and then just a dictatorial regime when he came to power at the end of '99, but i don't think it's impossible, look, more than 45 months. uh, well, almost five months, and uh, what we see, we see that the administration allows itself, let's say, not to implement court decisions, or implement them very slowly, or implement them, for example, the supreme court, unanimously issued a ruling that the administration should return an illegally deported person to the el salvador administration returned this person

and sent him to prison, charging him with the fact that this... this person allegedly committed some crimes in the united states, but it took the administration two months to implement the supreme court's decision in this way. trump constantly issues executive orders that are challenged in the courts, the courts recognize many of them as invalid, as contradicting the law, which he may be forced to stay here, he may not be forced to, he will continue to do this, and... what happens if nothing ever happened, probably never happened, but at least i've never seen anything like this from what's happening now, when people are grabbed on the streets, and they can then be deported to any corner of the world, to south sudan, to libya , and god knows where else, even though these people have nothing to do with these countries, it's really terrible,

considering that the people the administration considers illegal migrants, most of them have temporary legal status in the country, because when they apply for the right for asylum, they receive the right to temporary residence and work, most of them work and pay taxes, if the immigration court does not recognize that they may have the right to asylum, then they are deported, and such deportations have always happened, during the biden presidency there were many of them, during the obama presidency there were many of them, they just weren't shown on tv. no one said anything about it, because well, the law is the law, if the court decides that a person does not have grounds for asylum, well, then this person is not can stay in america. we can say that there are certain changes in trump's inner circle. we saw this famous scandal with elon musk, well, it was a public

scandal, but on the other hand, here is steve vidkov, who was so seriously involved in all foreign policy tracks in the united states, both iranian, and middle eastern, and russian, he somehow now does not appear much in front of journalists and not much is known about him, it is known about his new efforts. well, but he was supposed to meet today, by the way with the iranian foreign minister, to indirectly hold talks with him in oman, iran refused, and vidkov was actually ready to hold these talks, but he gives fewer interviews, this is really the case. i don't think trump will push him somewhere, or they are just friends, and trump trusts him, well, he can push him... push him from performing such de facto duties of the secretary of state, it is possible, at least vidkov has not achieved any success in his activities so far,

but in general, what really bothers me is the incompetence of people around trump, and the same excuse, because he has absolutely no diplomatic experience, as john bolton says about him, that's why trump appointed him as a negotiator for the russian-ukrainian war, a believer in the middle east, because he knows nothing about ukraine, russia, or the middle east, that's exactly why trump chose him, you know, i even listened to it, even translated it for myself on facebook, published the dialogue last night between congressman eugen widman, brother of alexander widman, who, who was the main witness in trump's first impeachment, and defense secretary hexett, he's now a congressman , from the virginia party, a member of the armed services committee, house of representatives, well it's just terrible, because vinman asks him how many, how many

ships are in the american navy, he can't answer exactly, how many ships are in the chinese navy he doesn't know at all, what is the name of the corridor, which is very dangerous from the point of view of possible attacks by russia. which connects the russian enclave in europe surrounded by nato on different sides with the territory controlled by russia, he could not answer that this is the subalskaya corridor, what is the name of the region of russia, which is surrounded by nato countries on different sides, i do not know that this is the kaliningrad region, it is terrible that the chief military-political advisor to the president does not know at all what is happening in the world, well, i can... excuse me, he was a tv presenter, i could not have known any of this, but he has been the minister of defense for almost 5 months, it really, really confuses me that such people can advise

trump on any issue, whether it is about russia, anything, if we take what is happening in the world, trump's very incompetent environment, just extremely incompetent, well, there are people like rubio or lutnik or there. minister of finance besant or people who seem to be absolutely competent in their field, but what and what of it? but i think that rubio will never say anything about trump, that trump doesn't want to hear it, simply because otherwise he will be removed from his position, he probably sees this position as a springboard for future presidents to wallow in. by the way, when we were talking to you about whether a dictatorship can be established, i forgot one more important thing, and... let's talk about it, if a senator from the state of california was detained in a very rough manner, an event in los angeles , simply because he wanted to ask

the minister of homeland security a question, her security simply ordered him to the floor, they handcuffed him, then he disappeared for a few hours, they took him somewhere, that's it, and yesterday there was a political assassination in the state. a minnesota democratic congresswoman and her husband, another senator from minnesota , his wife was wounded, and this is some far-right extremist, when you know, when trump says every day that democrats are the enemy, that, that they hate our country, that everyone who is against him, everyone who protests against him hates our country, then this provokes such things that are scary. actually, well, you must admit, these are not the first such episodes in the political history of america, right? well, when, when political assassinations happen, these are not the first episodes, but, but

- on the other hand, they haven't happened for many years, we can remember the year 68, when martin luther king was killed , senator robert kennedy was killed, who was then the most likely presidential candidate from the democratic party, but i think that since then there have been no such high-profile political assassinations, there was an attempt on president reagan, but this was done by a simply crazy person, it was done, it could not be considered a flight... that this was a terrorist attack of such a political nature, the atmosphere in america is very, very, very restless, a very divided society, well, that's what i'm talking about, that perhaps this is just an indicator of such a division, on the one hand a parade, on the other hand a protest, on the one hand, yes, and there was a protest in washington yesterday, although, although the city hall did not approve a large demonstration, but there was a protest near the white

home, or where... there were several hundred demonstrators, but they were, they were with slogans, with banners, that we will not allow the establishment of a fascist regime in the country, by the way, in new york there were also a lot of such banners, neither fascism, nor dictatorship, that is, people, people are very worried, i would say that what was in new york, you know, is another sign, trump was born in new york, grew up in new york, he is probably such a unique head of state, who is literally hated by his hometown. where he grew up, was born and lived most of of his life, because he lived in new york until january 2017. well, as far as i understand, he was never popular in new york, he never won any elections, so is it only natural that new yorkers are protesting against this administration? well, yes, because new york, new york in general is a very liberal city, and of course, the vast majority of new yorkers are absolutely disgusted

by what is being done in the country. thank you, thank you, mr. igor, igor eisenberg, professor at manhattan university , on this air, we are now let's go back to the middle east, just against the backdrop of the continuation of these shellings, iran is currently shelling israel, there are already reports of a counterattack on haifa, a large city in northern israel, there is talk about... three lightly wounded in haifa in connection with this attack, a fire in two houses in the haifa area, by the way, a large fire is currently being observed in romal, this is the residence of the palestinian authority on the west bank of the jordan river, so one of the missiles hit there, did not reach the sovereign

territory of israel, so as we see. people of different nationalities are suffering from this iranian attack, a family of israeli arabs died yesterday in one of the cities in israel, now, as you can see, there may be some serious consequences of the iranian strike in rome, and meanwhile the iranians themselves are leaving tehran en masse after the israeli strikes on tehran, that is, the conflict is in full swing, mikhail yakubovich, orientalist, candidate of historical sciences, research fellow at the oriental studies department of freiburg.