in the world next to the russian-ukrainian war, so we start in literally 30 seconds. thank you, so at 20:00 the program verdict, i say goodbye to you until tomorrow at 18:10, take care of yourself, be in tight for the possibilities, we are waiting for this next night, we believe in the armed forces, and of course, we protect ourselves as much as possible. the program vertik is literally in a few moments, stay with the espresso tv channel. goodbye, see you tomorrow. good evening, we are from ukraine. today in the program verdict with serhiy rudenko. ballistics for civilians, russian terrorists carried out one of the most massive strikes on kyiv using aeroballistic missiles. what

does the kremlin dictator achieve with his outright terrorism? trump left the g7. the american president decided to avoid the announced meeting with volodymyr zelensky at the group of seven summit. why is the united states delaying tightening sanctions against russia? from the tax office to the prosecutor general's office. the verkhovna rada approved the appointment of another presidential protege ruslan as prosecutor general kravchenko. why did zelensky choose him as his punitive sword. glory to ukraine. this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko. i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. during

the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, about the world, about the war and about our victory. of course, we will talk about the latest events in ukraine, about the massive russian strike on the ukrainian capital, and not only on the ukrainian capital, as well as about how the g7 summit is taking place in distant canada and how trump fled from this summit. so, before we start our big conversation today, i suggest you watch. video of the consequences of another russian terrorist act tonight kyiv suffered one of the most massive air attacks: russian terrorists attacked the capital with drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, killing at least ten and wounding dozens more civilians, one ballistic missile destroyed the entire entrance of a nine-story building. odessa, kherson and other cities also suffered powerful blows. and ukraine, let's see

to the consequences of russian terror, do you need a doctor? this is a rocket with a cluster filling, such small balls are inside in order to maximally damage people.

terrible consequences, rescuers together with all services, june 18 in kyiv has been declared a day of mourning in memory of the victims of the massive russian attack on the capital, eternal memory to the dead and death to the russian occupiers. friends, i remind you that we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our... platforms on facebook and youtube, for those who are watching us live there now, be please subscribe to our pages and also take part in our survey, today we ask you the following: do you expect increased western support after the russian strikes? yes, no, please vote with the appropriate buttons on youtube, if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv or on streaming platforms, pick up your smartphone or phone and... vote by numbers yes

0800 211 381 no 08021382 all calls to these numbers are free vote at the end of the program we will sum up. the results of this vote, i want to invite our guest to the conversation, this is roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the parliamentary committee on national security, defense and intelligence, colonel of the security service of ukraine. colonel, i wish you health, thank you for being with us today, i wish you health, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. colonel, how would you answer the question that we are asking our viewers and tv viewers today, do you expect the strengthening of western support after the russian strikes? it's a difficult question, especially when i look at the latest reports of aid coming to us, and you know, when the united states used to be there

, first the united states, then there was no one for a long time, and then some other countries started, then somewhere now it has already leveled off, and it's not because european countries started giving much more. so it's difficult to say, and these countries are european in the first place, and the united states has been behaving quite unpredictably lately, but i still i hope that europe will take over, replace the united states, at least be able to purchase ammunition, and we will receive not only an increase, but at least no less than it was there last year of this assistance in... this night, both the people of kyiv and other residents of the cities of odessa, kharkiv, zaporizhia, kherson, also suffered from massive strikes by the russian occupiers. president zelensky stressed that the whole world, the united states of america

and europe must finally respond to russian terrorism in the way that a civilized society responds to terrorists. it is bad when the powerful of this world turn a blind eye to this. we are contacting all partners at all possible levels so that there is an appropriate response. it is the terrorists who should feel the pain, not normal, peaceful people. at the same time, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, andriy sybyga, stated that putin deliberately inflicted a massive blow on ukraine during the g7 summit. he is sending a signal of complete disrespect to the united states and other partners who called for an end to the killings. putin's goal is very simple: to force the leaders of the great sevens look weak, only decisive steps, real pressure on moscow can prove him wrong. what, colonel, is the kremlin dictator seeking by inflicting massive

blows on residential areas and civilian infrastructure? if we talk specifically about today's blow, then here i agree, i can agree with... the minister of foreign affairs, we understand that putin is trying to humiliate our western allies there, showing that he, despite their statements, we remember these statements by macron, scholz, merz and the british prime minister, who gave an ultimatum to putin, and where is that ultimatum, they are doing something, they are not doing anything. no action is taking place at all, just empty words and putin has already understood this, and putin continues to play, and look where i can go, and look, i can do even more and you will not do anything to me, well, it's like in the style of the russian federation, so this one in particular, this is another slap in the face to our

western allies, despite the fact that they are the world's largest economic countries at this summit, putin just uh... is carrying out terrorist attacks on ukraine, despite the fact that trump alone promised to end the war, three other great leaders who gave an ultimatum and also talked about a thirty-day truce and tried to end something, so everything else, what are we talking about, this is specifically about this attack, before that putin also carried out some attacks on it there were after we conducted the security service operation pavut. which destroyed a third of the nuclear triad of aircraft, i mean the russian federation, some kind of just systematically strikes them there, bringing them down when they accumulate these drones, so this is a tactic of intimidation,

and at the same time forcing us through our population through people who are really tired of the war and also live under constant shelling, so that people put pressure on the authorities and demand that the authorities make concessions, this is his desire, because on the battlefield he cannot achieve significant success, there the defense forces are holding, beating them, they are suffering great losses, and well, a battlefield is a battlefield, you don't really show off there, especially when there are no real, real successes, here you can show that when you put pressure on the civilian population, they usually experience it more, let's say, the consequences are more critical than when you hit soldiers who are on the battlefield, but colonel, is it true? that putin always uses this chechen scenario, when he

tries to demolish everything he sees in his path, villages, cities, residential areas and in this way force those against whom it is directed this aggression to capitulation, that is, how likely is it that what putin did with avdiivka, with bakhmut, with... cities that simply disappeared from the map, the ukrainian map, that somehow this same method will be used against large cities that are in ukraine, i mean according to the same scenario that was with mariupol, well now under the threat of such a scenario is primarily kherson, which putin has already, well practically since the day of its liberation on november 11, 2020. the second year at the beginning was not like that, but now there, as you know, such russian hunting in

no, if i may put it this way, they are there because they train their soldiers, and not just looking there like normal soldiers, like honest warriors, looking for a military target, they train them on both civilians and mature people, flying into civilian houses there. destroying civilians, civilian transport, they simply staged terrorism, and then they simply shoot him from a certain distance with artillery, yes, he is not destroyed there, but plus the scabs that fly there, and they constantly terrorize him, now they want the same scenario to do for sumy, but fortunately the defense forces are there, the enemy has made some minor advances there, but... let's say, i hope that we still have enough reserves, forces, means, and correct

management decisions to not only not let the enemy advance further, but not give them the opportunity, but also to squeeze them out, to knock them out of our territory, the enemy has gone as far as possible there, well, according to my information, 7 km there, it's certainly bad there, but it seems like all is not lost and it is possible to make a management decision to knock the enemy out of here having the right resources and good reserves there , so let's hope and we can't allow the enemy there to come within artillery fire range of sumy and destroy it, terrorize it, well, like he does with kherson. well, you mean, colonel, until the russians reach khotyn and yunakivka , two settlements that are already almost on the line of combat contact, until the russians reach these positions,

sumy is not threatened by the use of artillery and drones, do i understand correctly? that's right, but i don't think that even these settlements, in order to use artillery, they need to come even closer, because artillery hits on average 20 km, but for that... you still have your artillery somewhere, it can't stand right on the front line, it has to be somewhere 5-7 and sometimes 10 km in the rear, because it will be destroyed, in order for the sums there to be under military control, they have to come 15 km to the city, better 10 km to the city, then of course they will be able to to put artillery in the rear, well, drones of course also such distances to cover the entire city, that's approximately the range needed, so... so i say again, let's hope that now all

reserves will be involved, all possibilities to prevent the enemy from getting closer to this center, the regional center. colonel, we see how hostilities are currently unfolding in the middle east between israel and iran, and judging by trump's behavior, his statements that he will be in the situation room, they expect an escalation events in the middle east, like what will happen between israel and iran, if this continues and... large-scale hostilities will unfold , how will this affect the russian-ukrainian war, does this mean that putin has additional opportunities, this window of opportunity, when, against the backdrop of a major war in the middle east, he will try to do his best on the russian-ukrainian front and

increase pressure on ukraine in order to persuade the ukrainians to sign an unprofitable peace agreement for them, you know, you're right here, what exactly will depend on how events develop, they can develop in different ways, if iran capitulates and says that we are abandoning our program, we are ready to close it, and then conditions will be dictated to them, including, i think, regarding cooperation with the russian federation, this is of course one scenario, another scenario. if they continue to exchange blows and exhaust each other, and of course, iran is a resource-rich country with the support of the same russian federation, and north korea, and on the other hand, of course, that israel will be the united states will support israel,

and resources will be sent there, well, we have understood for a long time that israel has serious... let's say, serious lobbyists in the united states and serious support there, starting from the 50s of the last century, the united states has always supported them, this is a country that gives them the opportunity for such regional leadership, and there even when the war with egypt was somewhere they were there at the beginning did not support, but then they still reconciled and they always had israel's support, and it can... be said that those ammunition, those shells, well, we are not talking about shells here, until other countries entered the war, but air defense systems, which are very important for us now, air defense, the same patriot systems with pak-3 missiles, which can shoot down ballistic missiles, there are not so many of them, but they can

be sent there, and thus we will lose the ability to shoot down ballistic missiles. or will have limited capabilities, the same aviation and support, of course, this can thus be very negative, if the conflict escalates further, negatively affect our interests in the war with ukraine and russia. colonel, how will the ability of ukrainians to strike with long-range weapons, their own long-range weapons, affect the russian-ukrainian war? why am i asking this, because literally. but a few days ago, president zelensky announced that successful tests of the ukrainian ballistic missile sapsan were conducted and the development of capabilities is currently underway. for its mass production , the readiness of this missile or the fact that this missile could already be in mass production was not discussed back

in june 23 , when they said that 65-70%, in fact, this missile is already ready, to the extent that our capabilities now give the prospect of giving the russians a worthy rebuff to such shelling, which we witnessed literally last night, well, these are still limited capabilities, you understand that what we, what we tested and it achieved something, these are all the first samples that we still have to deliver. in a series, and this is a very complicated story and to build up, this is the first option, and a lot of work needs to be done here, i know about missile programs, we often go to the committee , i can't tell everything, there were really problems with this missile, with some of its parts, well,

according to the latest information, i don't have it, but i don't think the president is saying unreliable information, unless he can give... unreliable information, i'm sure we 're on the committee, we often hear about the missile program, we'll hear how much there was, well, the missile really flew, where did it go, because the main question was, it flew, that's all, but the question is how accurately it can hit, because if it's a nuclear warhead, you're plus or minus 500-600 km, it doesn't matter, if it's a warhead with... explosives like hexagen or tnt, then of course the deviation can't be more than 5-10-5 or 10 m, then it's effective, everything else is whatever anyone says at... approximately, it doesn't work like that, it has to fly clearly, just like the iskander flies, just like the russian caliber flies, and we can't afford to hit

worse, well, and there's also that drawback, when we say a worthy response, well, i don't think that this is still a worthy response, why, because we have to cover the range with ballistics at least up to thousands of km, what, well, this is the right to, well, let's say. so, uh, this is the sapsan missile, this is the missile that was thunder, it was made for export, there are export restrictions, so we need to develop the ranges here, there we can hit at 300 km, there, even if we hit at 500 km, this is not enough to confront the russian federation, absolutely not enough, so we need to develop at least 100, preferably one and a half, then it will be a deterrent factor, now this is just the beginning, i believe that development, if it... flies and reaches the heights that are needed there and then falls correctly, for sure, we need to take on and develop the range, increase

the engines and everything else, so let's hope that this is the beginning, and making such missiles is very difficult, and it's too early, too early to talk about completing the missile program there, we need develop it. why am i asking this, because ukrainians want revenge. ukrainians want missiles and martyrs to fly towards moscow, and not only towards moscow, but actually towards the russian capital itself, and not only towards the russian capital itself, the example of israel shows that a small state in size, but a powerful state in the armed sense , can repel a large state, which in terms of the number of people there is eight times more than... the state of israel, or is there such a prospect in ukraine, when ukraine becomes israel for the russian federation, and the russian federation will be

something like kiran. well, i always said that for us , the deterrent factor is ballistic, cruise and air defense systems, and of course, the national system plays a very important role. against what it has, well, from kindergarten , it just needs to be organized, like, well, even if you remember the soviet union, i'm not talking about what was there, but i remember, i, well, i practically went to school in independent ukraine, but we were taught a lot, there were a lot of us in the field what were they taught, how to react to a nuclear threat there, we threw the same grenades in physical education classes, collected them, disassembled them. the machine gun, this is a system of national resistance, this system should work for us, i say again, it's rough from kindergarten, but if you raise children,

they should be raised in the spirit of the possibility of defending our state, this system, plus all other systems, is already a weapon of deterrence, it is the guarantee that will, let's say, guarantee us that... that russia will not attack us when it, every country, when it attacks an instrument, it calculates the possibilities, the possibilities of resistance, the possibilities of rebuffing, why no one attacks north korea, because the people there are so washed, exactly, well not washed, and there they have their own ideology washed, that i even read somewhere a study that the united states calculated that well you can only win there when the last representative dies. north korea, i 'm not saying that we have to be north korea, that's for sure, and i don't want to give examples of the soviet union there, i'm just saying that the systems should be built in a good sense,

on a democratic basis, which will give people the opportunity to develop and appreciate what they do, a system of shooting ranges, a system of national resistance, and all this should be supported by weapons, of course missiles, despite the fact that russia has nuclear weapons, but we should have at least conventional long-range missiles that could symmetrically respond to strikes by the russian federation, then, then this is a guarantee that war will not start, because russia will understand the consequences. thank you, colonel, for the conversation, this was roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, colonel of the security service of ukraine. friends, i remind you that we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our platforms on youtube and facebook. for those who are watching us live there, please subscribe to our pages, and also take part in our survey, today we are asking you the following: do you expect increased western support

after the russian strikes? yes, no, please vote with the appropriate buttons on youtube, if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments under this video. if you are watching us on tv or on streaming platforms, please pick up your phone or smartphone and vote by the numbers, yes 0800 211 381, no - 0800-211382, all calls to these numbers are free of charge, vote, at the end of the program we will summarize the results of this vote. next, we have oleksandr khara, diplomat, director of the center for defense strategies, on the line. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on the air of the tv channel. good evening, mr. sergey, and again. well, we have witnessed another major terrorist attack by the russian federation, and this attack occurred on the very day that the g7 summit was supposed to begin in canada.

donald trump was there at the beginning, spent the day at the g7 summit, and then interrupted his participation in the summit and returned to washington, and this was reported by white house spokeswoman caroline leavitt on the x network. president trump had a great day at the g7 summit, even signing an important trade agreement with the united kingdom and prime minister keir starmer, a lot has been achieved, but because of what's happening... in the middle east , president trump will leave tonight after dinner with the heads of state, well, he has already left, and trump himself explained the need to be in the situation room and monitor what's happening in the middle east, although there is another version of why trump flew from canada to the united states of america, russia, he became aware of the russian attack

on ukraine, although trump and... did not confirm in an interview with journalists on board his airliner that he knew something about it. in this situation, do you lean towards which version, that there is an escalation in the middle east and trump needs to be in washington after all, or that after this massive russian attack on the ukrainian capital and other cities, civilian cities, trump would have to behave completely differently. himself at the g7 summit, maybe even give a public answer, does he condemn the actions of his friend putin? well, i think that's all taken together, it can play a role, and of course, not to clash with the ukrainian president, that is, in principle, it is absolutely understandable, but looking at the explosions on social networks, especially

those... trump supporters, i mean margery congresswoman, she was very, very loud, she always supported trump, and tucker clarkson began to criticize trump for his readiness, as they write, well, some of them write, to follow the lead of the zionists and, therefore, to involve america in this war, and they criticize him for the fact that he is backing down. no more wars where the americans will take part, but literally before the broadcast i watched jid vance's post on twitter, where he , well, gently explains that the president of the united states has been consistent for 10 years, and he wanted a deal with iran, but in fact iran rejects any reasonable proposals, and of course, that this requires a certain reaction, and plus a couple of days ago

we saw in the news. that the americans are transferring their strike weapons, primarily these are tankers for aviation, and we know that, in fact , it is impossible for the israeli air force to destroy the main center where these uranium enrichment centrifuges are located, fordov, this can only be done by a strategic bomber of the united states with those , well, depth charges that only the americans have, the israelis don't have, and it seems to me that common sense, it pushes the americans to only partially take part in this operation, that is, of course, they are not going to repeat afghanistan, iraq and enter there with ground troops, well, but with a wheelbarrow strike, destroy and set aside, well, at least for 5-10 years, iran's nuclear program.