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dear friends, we return and remind you that tomorrow the nato summit will be held in gaza, which we will show on the air of the espresso tv channel, from 4 to... 5 p.m. there will be a special air broadcast together with the kyiv security forum. actually, tomorrow more than 30 heads of state and government of the alliance's allied countries will come to the hague, they will gather for a meeting, volodymyr zelenskyy has also been invited there. we are planning live broadcasts from the hague of our correspondents and experts on our air. we will talk about the most important things for ukraine and world security. we will report firsthand on the results of the special event of the kyiv security forum forum on the sidelines of the nato summit organized by the arseniy yatsenyuk foundation. all this will be on the tv channel.

press, so we urge you to be with us tomorrow, but also to be with us today, because now we will actually talk about this summit in more detail, what to expect from it? serhiy dzherdzh, head of the ukraine-nato public league, should be on our air and already is. mr. serhiy, we welcome you. mr. serhiy, can you hear us, because we have already. i welcome you, i wish you health. mr. serhiy, what do you expect from tomorrow's summit. what do you expect from tomorrow's summit nato? well, i expect that nato member states, 32 countries, will decide to allocate 5% of their gross domestic product to their own security, which means that 3.5% will go directly to the army, 1.5% to infrastructure projects related to security, and there is such an agreement, including in spain, italy, and there... the main point is that

this is planned to be done by 2035 , that is, there is time, there is time to calmly prepare for this, but the most important thing for me, what i heard is important, that obviously countries will be able to count this 5% and the assistance that they provide to ukraine, because it is actually assistance with ammunition, military equipment, weapons, and these are really... resources that are allocated for the security of all of europe, so here i think, if it happens, it is a positive option for ukraine. actually, president zelensky had such an idea, he said about 0.25%, i understand, of this amount, which could go directly to help ukraine? well, yes, president zelensky said that, estonia, it is one of the countries, one of the first to propose it, also, because... that

they achieved this, they have a small budget, but in percentage terms they are helping ukraine very powerfully, that is, if they were to seriously direct their efforts in this regard, that is , we picked up this idea, and if other countries were to do the same, it would be positive for us, uh, they say that the nato summit program was arranged in such a way as to sometimes... not to spoil donald trump's mood, so that he wouldn't cross paths with volodymyr zelensky somewhere there, is there really such tension and can volodymyr zelensky spoil donald trump's mood in such a way? well , anything can spoil president trump's mood, it's not necessarily volodymyr zelensky, macron can spoil it, or the weather, or something else is wrong, so here are just europeans. for

this summit to pass calmly, successfully, it is clear that the issues are complex, because it is clear that, say, there are 5% that croatia and slovenia allocate for their defense - these are completely different numbers than if you compare it with germany or france or britain, so there are discussions, it is important that trump remains in this orbit, and ukraine is interested in this, so that the europeans got trump, well, taking into account the realities of his behavior, so that the united states remains in europe, and there is a simple explanation for this, because it is... nato consists of two parts , powerful military , political, economic, let's say, one part is all european countries, and the other part is a separate, or the second half, let's say, it is the united states of america separately, so it is clear that

everyone wants nato to remain as powerful and strong as it was, and not become half as small, well, of course, that the united states will not leave, will not leave the. but they could or can weaken their participation in europe, no one wants this, and if the europeans manage to have good weather there, that means to establish relations with trump, to preserve these these subtle elements, that means the matter that unites, then this also benefits ukraine. mr. serhiy, there were many different opinions regarding the possible. participation of president zelensky in this summit, i myself, to be honest, am confused, what is the latest information now, what are the forecasts, or will zelensky be at the summit? i think he should go, because in any case , using such a platform to express his

positions, his visions, is necessary, there will be a large media pool that is interested in interviewing zelensky no less than ... i am sure, and this should be used, there is an opportunity to meet, to talk with many other leaders with whom, perhaps, there has been no contact for some time, after all, 32 countries are represented, these are heads of state, presidents, prime ministers, well there, regarding trump, it will be a meeting of good, it will not be, in any case, i think that the president will participate, if he is in such a forum, which is about. knows the weapons manufacturers of nato member countries, it is about the development of these military-industrial complexes of nato member countries, and here our participation, our, so to speak, wishes that we can express, this is very important for establishing contacts with nato in general

and with countries in particular. recently, last week, it seems, the minister of defense of italy, who, by the way, seems to represent the movement of the five stars, ultra... the right-winger declared that nato is actually living in its last days, and it should not be continued, it was quite a harsh statement, or is the italian minister of defense right? i think not quite, the thing is that nato has gone through different times in 76 years, there were times of the cold war and the threat, the threat of nuclear war, there was a certain impeachment of one of the general secretaries, who lobbied for some company there, that is , there were various storms in nato, but nato remained and today it is needed more than ever, because for all countries it is

a security tool, including for italy, which is protected by the nato umbrella, and i think there may be different statements, at one time one of the european leaders... said that sometimes it sounds, perhaps it pushes, so to speak, the nato apparatus, this is the international trend of analysts who work there, to work better so that the societies of different countries really, really understand the importance of nato, as such the basis of european unification, because first there was nato, just as first there was an egg, and then the european union has already emerged. later, when there is security trust between countries, there is also political and economic cooperation, which is symbolized today by the european union. and those successes of europe, the standard of living that exists in europe today, are thanks to the european union, and i am sure

that first of all nato, that is why nato is needed even for internal consumption, for internal, so to speak, internal relations. between countries, not only for there, that is, to maintain peace and prosperity within europe, within the euro-atlantic civilization that unites europe and north america, for this it is necessary... in your opinion, what has happened now in iran, this strike on nuclear facilities, will it also be a subject of discussion, should nato express, for example, support or, on the contrary, some condemnation of the unilateral actions of the united states, maybe there will be an official statement, maybe there is one, i think that the agenda of the north atlantic council meeting it... there provides for certain questions, it is clear that there will be some, some interviews,

somewhere this assessment will be voiced, i don't know how much it will be separated, as a rule, sometimes some events in the world and especially those conducted by the united states, not necessarily nato, as an institution, is included in this process, the same, for example, the coalition that was in iraq, it included countries, including ukraine, but nato as an institution did not participate in this process, only later there was a nato police mission to train iraqi police, the same was in afghanistan, there was a coalition led by the united states, which included both ukraine and japan, up to 50 countries were there, and nato too, as an institution , did not participate in this, then there were certain formats, isaf, it seems, such a mission. nato, which was limited there to certain, certain training for local

security forces, the same, i think, and here to some extent these decisions that the united states and israel made, they did not coordinate, did not discuss with nato, nato did not make these decisions, so i do not think that there will be any such clear statement about this, and i will also ask myself whether we, well, we. one way or another, in recent days there has been many statements from the russians, from their foreign ministry spokeswoman zakharova there to the nebenzi representative of the von, and also putin himself on this topic said that one of the reasons for their war with ukraine, they have repeated this again, is that ukraine can become a member of nato, is this or the topic of ukraine, ours, our promise to our partners, that we will sooner or later be in nato, will it be heard and do we have our red lines here? no, there are no lines here, on the one hand, and

we do not need to repeat every day that we want to be in nato. we are about this has been said for a long time, everything is written in our constitution, we are a strategic partner of nato, we have many programs that strengthen us, connect us with nato. i would say that we are, de facto, nato members, de jure - this has not yet been formalized, because there is no consensus in nato, but this vector that we are going and will go, and we... i repeat, we do not need to say every day that we want to be nato members, this is clear a priori, from the side of our partners, well, too, they said everything they could, they said that the door is open for us, that we are sure that this is an irreversible process, in particular on the process, and that's it, that is, for us if these things and these assurances were enough, and talking about it every day also makes no sense. no one canceled, and we, in particular, when we integrate into nato, we

appeal to the 10th article of the washington treaty, everyone knows the article five there, which speaks about the protection of everyone from attack in the zone, but there is the 10th article, where the founding fathers thought about ukraine as well, i would say, you can say it like that, because it says that every european country, which contributes to the security of europe there agrees with this charter, is a democratic country, it can be a member of nato, we are just such a country, ukraine is a european country, no one like us, today more than anyone else, we are the ones who contribute to european security with the nato charter, we agree, all that remains is the consent of those countries that are already in this organization, so we do not need, there... any permissions from individual leaders there, let's say, we appeal to the nato charter, to the founding fathers,

who envisaged that this is an alliance, a security instrument for euro-atlantic civilization, where we are entering, as ukraine, as the ukrainian people, as a state, and they don't even say that we are the first among all nato countries to spend more than 5% on defense, well, that's more of a joke. mr. serhiy, thank you very much for the conversation, serhiy jerch was with us, the head of the ukraine-nato public league. we are talking about tomorrow's event, tomorrow there will be a nato summit, very important, more than 30 countries will gather with a total gdp of 50 trillion, there is an idea of president zelensky, to allocate. 0.25% of the gdp of a nato country for direct assistance with weapons to ukraine, i kind of figured, literally, you know, roughly, that it's somewhere over 100 billion us dollars a year, that would be a very good initiative, well, we'll hope that president zelensky will be there, well, what will definitely happen, there will be our broadcast tomorrow from 4 to 6 p.m., don't miss the live broadcast

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that the price of oil can jump to 100 dollars per barrel, and probably the russian federation will definitely benefit from this in the first place, what do you think, mr. oleg, or should we expect that the russians are getting additional profits now, well, when we remember what the map of that part of the world looks like, there really is the so-called strait of hormuz, which connects the persian gulf, and it so happened historically that 25% of the world's oil traffic goes through that strait, moreover, through that strait goes there is oil not only from iran itself, but also from the persian gulf countries. opec countries and accordingly , in the event of any difficulties with the passage of ships through

this strait , insurance payments related to the safety of oil movement will automatically increase and accordingly , the total volume of oil in the world will decrease and that will lead to an increase in its price. you are absolutely right, there are already preliminary estimates of how much brand oil can cost in the event of a blockage of the iranian strait, the figure is called 100 plus, and when we are talking about russian federation, increase military spending and go to war with ukraine, i'll give you a few purely economic figures so that you and i understand what we're talking about, with the price of oil... the russian budget deficit for the 25th year is 1.3

trillion russian rubles, with the price of oil at 57 dollars per barrel, this is the price that was before the start of the gulf war, the russian budget deficit was 3.8, well... we felt, right, so, the balance of funds in the national welfare fund, this is the only source of coverage at the moment the russian budget deficit is 2.8 trillion, that is, if the price of oil continued to be somewhere around 57-58 dollars per barrel, and even if at this price our beloved partners... in the european union in the 18th package of sanctions would lower the price from 60 to 45 dollars per barrel, and everything was ready for this,

oh well. russia would have enough money until september, that 's all. in the current situation, god forbid, brand oil will be 100 dollars per barrel, and then russian oil will be sold somewhere under 90. well, then russia will get rid of the budget deficit altogether, it will have a surplus. this is how it looks in real reality. that is , it is extremely important for us that the price of oil... on the world market is low, but here we have what we have, we have this war in the persian gulf, we have unclear prospects for the strait of hormuz, we have unclear prospects for the end of this war in general, because i want to remind you once again that, who remembers well what the map of the world looks like, the common border between israel and iran

no, well, that is... they can shell each other for a long time, well, with all due respect to reality, well, the directions of preventing iran from creating nuclear weapons. the americans have taken the first step, but i am absolutely sure that this is a purely demonstrative event, which will definitely not be continued by some kind of ground operation. the idea of a change of power in iran, well... in my opinion, it is quite illusory at the moment, it is unlikely that the situation that exists today will lead to a return to the way it has been for a while in a certain impasse, and how it will be resolved, it is difficult for me to express, especially if we recall rubio's latest statement that the united states of america is not at war with iran, but they are at war with its nuclear program, a very

ghostly thing, incomprehensible. from the point of view of the real participation of the united states of america in anything, so for now, from my point of view, this will definitely lead to an increase in the price of oil. now it is $ 78 per barrel of brand, this is before the blocking of the strait of rumuz. let's see what will happen next, unfortunately. and somehow restrain the growth of this price, i don't know if it is possible artificially or not? well, someone has to, uh,... increase the total supply by 25% of the world level, at the moment there is no such thing, i repeat once again, uh 25% of the world's oil traffic goes through the romanian strait and through the persian gulf, well, in this situation there are no such volumes today, and no one will increase the amount of oil by such a magnitude, especially since we repeat once again,

we are talking about... uh local region of the world, we are talking about an extremely large oil consumer china, we are talking about the persian gulf and this region, well , that is, even if canada somewhere in the other hemisphere of the world were to start sharply increasing the total volume of oil production, then we must understand that any traffic can eat up the entire price and increase it. multiple times, well, that's why in this situation the world is just divided into those local markets, although it is determined to a greater or lesser extent by a single price, so when we talk about prospects, it is certainly unlikely that anyone can intervene today this process, i repeat, includes saudi arabia, the emirates, that is, all of this is oman, that is, all of this is tied to the persian gulf.