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on the sidelines of the nato summit in gaz, yes, today president trump confirmed that he will hold a meeting with volodymyr zelensky. well, and here is a publication of the bloomberg agency, i emphasize that this is not an official report, but the bloomberg agency, citing its own sources, reports that the president of the united states told nato allies that the war... actions against ukraine have completely gotten out of control and require active action. now wait one second. yes, our correspondent tetyana vysotska, our special correspondent of the tv channel in the european institutions, confirms that the meeting has begun. well

, i am now adding roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence, colonel of the security service of ukraine, to our broadcast. i congratulate you, colonel, and a couple of days ago, ukrainians publicly celebrated and thanked our fighters from the alpha special unit, and i also congratulate you on our air on the occasion of this holiday and... but the memory of the alpha fighters who laid down their lives for ukrainian independence, may they rest in peace. sincerely, thank you. and what, let's talk now about the situation with the russian-ukrainian war, which , according to president donald trump, has completely gotten out of control. i'm quoting bloomberg now. i repeat, this is not a direct quote from the american president, this is bloomberg.

despite the obvious lack of enthusiasm for the meeting with president zelensky, which will take place today, trump said at a closed meeting with nato leaders that it is necessary to take measures regarding. ukraine, since the situation has completely gotten out of control. well, it is a question of how to interpret these words, perhaps the translation is not entirely successful there, but in your opinion, what should we expect given the american experience against iran and the iranian nuclear program. donald trump has shown that he has fangs. perhaps they did not bring the matter to the end. well, but in principle, no one, including the kremlin, expected that the americans... would raise b-2, american strategic aviation, will use depth charges and will try to resolve this case by force. well, that's what we can expect from the renewed trump.

well, we've heard a lot of trump's statements, when he says that the situation is out of control, and i'm not sure that from the very beginning, he had some control over the situation, we only saw that... that putin, using some of their personal relationships there, tried to, let's say, reassure and deceive him, and the impression is that in he succeeded, and trump thinks that he had it out of control, once again he never controlled it, and putin did what he wanted, he himself, trying to somehow play along with trump, he called a truce, he himself broke it, then he himself invited for negotiations, these negotiations... were not negotiations, but he set some other ultimatums, so later you remember when the leaders of european states also came with their ultimatums, they waved their fingers at russia, they said that here we are, if anything, but nothing is happening, so the situation

on the battlefield is controlled by ukraine on its territory, on its territory, on the other side, the russian one, which i say again, those negotiations have not... reduced to anything, the war has continued, and continues, not in three days, not in one day, as trump promised to end it, not in 100 days, nothing has happened, but such weak statements that the situation has gotten out of control, well, i say again, because no one controlled them, as for the strikes on iran, well, look, it's one thing to bomb iran, whose entire air defense system was destroyed by the israelis, is a different matter, presenting something to the russian federation , a nuclear country, these are completely different - different countries, and a different approach is needed, and i will say that even about their statements, you saw that there was

an article on cnn, which says that despite the fact that nuclear facilities were bombed, they were not completely destroyed, and we can... just look at the example of ukraine, that there was a one-day or two-day bombing by united states aircraft, they dropped some deep-sea missiles there. bombs on some objects, but let's remember that at first , russia is launching a full-scale invasion, including on the energy, just on the energy infrastructure of ukraine, every day strikes, only at... at a point somewhere probably last year, i'm not talking about the current ones, we were hit somewhere, well, spent by the russians, more than 600 strikes were made only with ballistic and cruise missiles, i think that already somewhere more than

50,000 drones of the mine type have been launched over ukraine, well, look, our energy system is standing, we are all with light, yes somewhere there are some, let's say there were. failures, but now our infrastructure is not destroyed, it's just to compare what happened in iran, so i think that in order to destroy a country like iran, you need much more missiles, and you need more bombs, more raids, so these are more demonstrative strikes that showed iran that if you continue to develop your program, either stop it, or we will continue, well, we see that... iran is making decisions there now, so to say that this is direct victory, it's impossible, it's a hint, and they struck at the moment when, i think, they realized that russia would not support, here you know, here is more of a blow to the russian federation, just with these blows

to iran, and after that it's very important to see what movements will be next, why, because once again the whole world saw that the alliances with the russian federation, are just paper, if they are signed, because russia does not stand up for anyone, when more, when more powerful countries enter into the process, we can see that on the examples of armenia, syria, and now iran, and we can find many more examples where the russians simply abandon their allies when they enter a war with larger countries that have the support of either western states or states such as turkey, which are also regional leaders, this is a strong blow, another one for the russian... federation and in relation to which iran is also a state,

let's say, which is with a pyranism and with a well, led by a tyrant, which are, which are simply similar in relation to russia system of state governance, but russia can only take something from the country, as it takes from the rooster... korea, as it takes from the same iran or other countries, when it needs something, it takes it, as soon as it smells, excuse me, fried, then russia runs away, washes its hands and can only somewhere in won, tell about the fact that they condemn actions against a sovereign state at a time when they themselves are waging an aggressive war against us, the key story here is that they surrender their allies, or sell, or exchange, yes, well, at one time it was quite popular conspiracy theorists. the version that supposedly, well, i emphasize, conspiracy theorists, that supposedly putin wanted to trade ukraine

for iran in his contacts with ours, with our enemy, well, but, well, it's far from a fact that it was like that, but i would ask you to tell us what we can expect from the enemy now, yes, the enemy is increasing strikes on cities, they regularly kill ukrainians using drones, combined. new missile strikes and ballistics, yes, and information has come that russia has now increased, increased the production of ballistic missiles of the type iskander, accordingly, we understand that it will be very difficult in the summer, yes, i don't dare to talk about the medium-term autumn perspective right now, well, for now we have july, august ahead of us, here are your... feelings, taking into account the trajectory that the russians have now taken,

that is, they are starting to massively strike at a single settlement, trying to exhaust the anti-district defense, somehow , well, if this is to be very vulgarized, do they have any additional vision and additional options when we talk about such strikes? yes, russia, it has increased the number of drones, i... i'm saying that, but they don't have the ability to launch about 500 drones every day, like they used to, for this they need to increase it for about three or four days, and sometimes up to a week, to carry out such massive strikes, that is , they don't have the release there yet, as someone said, i saw 500 there somewhere per day, no, much less, but like in a week or a little less than a week they give a day or two there some small attacks of about 20-30, and then... they carry out massive strikes, they have already understood that small attacks are not effective, you remember

how it was before that the russians tried to send drones to 10 cities there or to several locations there, and their latest tactic, they have understood that this is not effective, they take 500 drones there, 300 drones, 200 drones and just put them practically in one, in one or two. cities so that the first ones go, they weaken the air defense, or detect the air defense, and then the enemy either strikes, well, or the drones, when the air defense is exhausted, can reach there targets, or even if they miss, they can still cause damage, fall somewhere, including - well, into another target, but it will still be in the city, if, if it's a big city, if it has already flown into the perimeter, that's why the russians have developed such tactics . as for ballistic missiles, they also have them, there's a small number, well,

they've just increased them by a small amount, but they have these capabilities, and unfortunately, the sanctions that are in place now allow the russians to continue to increase them. volumes, including ballistic missiles, well, here we just need to strengthen air defense, regarding anti-shahid defense, now we are all working, our private and... state enterprises are working, this is regarding interceptor drones, because well, this is the cheapest and very effective way, plus there was a statement that the british are... transferring to us about 350 missiles, air-to-air, short-range, which are now converted to ground, air, and ground installations, and they should be quite effective in shooting down aircraft , including russian ones shahedi, i think that this will be to cover such the most important areas,

and all this was transferred according to the british, uh... at the expense of frozen russian assets, this, this, you know, it is not only important that the missiles were transferred, but also at what expense, this was done, once again, this is such a beginning that this is transferred for russian assets that are stored there in britain or in other countries, and i think that this will be a worthy example for all countries to help us, at the expense of frozen assets of the russian federation, those who started this aggressive war. yes, well, information has come from the hague that the conversation between the president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky and the president of the united states donald trump has ended. the conversation lasted about 50 minutes. we will wait for additional messages, now i am in touch with roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence, colonel

of the security service of ukraine. a terrorist war, colonel, right? well, it was a few days ago. crowded information about the preparation of an assassination attempt, another assassination attempt on the president of ukraine, information appeared that an assassination attempt was being prepared, a second assassination attempt on gordon and so on and so forth, and also information is coming that the enemy is taking ukrainian citizens, yes, and they are passing certain mined things, yes there may be parcels, there may be a scooter with a directed explosive, what we have now with this terrorist war, how large-scale it can be. well, uh, here you need to understand first of all that, for example, an assassination attempt on the president, or there is an attempt on some statesman or public figure, it's not a question that

yesterday some representatives of the russian special services were sitting there, and they decided that tomorrow we will... eliminate the president or the head of the security service or someone else, these are units that are constantly engaged in this, they are just waiting for the right time, they are there monitoring their movements, they are monitoring their surroundings, they, this is the constant permanent work of the russian special services in order to find a weakness in our security there or defense in order to implement it, it doesn't exist, it's... so that's how we prepared operation pautina there for a year and a half, yes constantly, that's how they prepare, but they're looking for places, they hire real ukrainians, sometimes even posing as representatives of the security service of ukraine, the national police or other defense forces, people who don't understand, start

to work with them, let's say, and cause harm, but mr. colonel, sorry for interrupting very significantly. moment, well, we understand that there may be some, i don't know, gullible people there, there is a young, not very educated guy or girl, and so-and-so comes up to him, pulls out a fake xiva and starts, so to speak, to drive around on the ears, talking about all sorts of things, and then says, all you have to do, friend, is organize a delivery from point a to point b and so on and so on, well, but this. this is done by showing identification, what should people do in such a situation, how to convince them that they are not becoming a victim of a game of hide and seek. the security service does not go to anyone fits, like this doesn't show xiva and doesn't, let's say, doesn't ask someone to transfer something from point a to point b. if there are such appeals, you need

to go either to the security service or to the national police and say directly that this is happening, believe me, when the security service works, everything is done there officially, it's not just showing xiva, and it doesn't just take citizens and force them to do something there, so i'm saying again that if someone introduces themselves there, if someone comes out there, well , as a rule, you know, when they recruit like this what you're talking about, no one comes up with or shows any signs of it, they usually find people there somewhere or on... social networks or in telegrams, messengers, and start communicating with people there somehow, going out, attracting, let's say , their uh... to their side, then they recruit them, give them some money, give them some tasks that are so easy that they can

complete them, and they ideologically wash them there, because there are different people, for example, there are agents who, which they, which ideologically are still waiting for the russians, it's easier for them, and there are those who are simply deceived even though you will be serving the country, not the security service, so you need to be very careful here, i'm saying that as a rule, the security service there does not ask anyone to do anything through telegrams, through messengers, so here it is necessary, if there are such appeals, if they see them, then you need to immediately contact the law enforcement agencies and report it, and you need to understand that if they ask you to take something somewhere, and especially to put it somewhere, and how about this story , the last one in kharkiv, when the 19th the girl made the bomb herself, she understood what she was doing, when they told her to go buy saltpeter, another acid, i won't name all the ingredients, and how

to mix it all, mobile phones, well, i also have to understand what it is, and then they said get on the scooter, well, the person understood that it was on the territory of ukraine, that ukrainian citizens were walking here, and then she said that she didn't know, so it was very dangerous, and now this person will be ... imprisoned for life and they took the life of our serviceman, and well , i say that this must be taken very seriously, and because the russians know how to tell, recruit, they have serious psychologists working for them, and this must be kept in mind, thank you, colonel, for this warning, well , roman kostenko, colonel of the security service of ukraine , secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence, was in touch with me, we talked about everything that is most important, and so

the meeting between president donald trump and ukrainian leader volodymyr ended. zelensky, the meeting lasted about 50 minutes, so there are no results of this meeting yet, at least in the public sphere, so and... now, now, now, wait a second, literally a second, yes, it lasted about 50 minutes, there is no other information, and an important signal from british prime minister keir starmer, he believes that it is worth putting the russian dictator at the table for ceasefire negotiations. yes, i am quoting starmer now, now is the time to insist again that putin be put at the table for unconditional negotiations. ceasefire, yes, well, but for this we need to apply some additional, as i understand it, levers of influence on putin. well, now president trump has demonstrated

that america has strategic aviation, and it performs military tasks and does it quite brilliantly. well , the results of the survey are already here. thank you all for your activity. yes, i'm waiting, now, i'm waiting, waiting. i'm waiting for the results of the survey, so we talked about whether the meeting between president trump and president zelensky can bring peace to ukraine, yes, no, or your version in the comments, so i'm waiting for the results, will there be results, well, i hope so, 22... believes that yes, that the meeting between trump and zelensky can bring peace to ukraine, and 78%

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