we are in the studio volodymyr dzhedzhora, diplomat , vice-president of the united confederation of reserve officers of nato countries, advisor to the eu and nato department of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2019-2021 , will be in touch with us now. well, now let's talk a little, in particular, let's summarize the results of the nato summit this week, where, in particular, an important meeting with trump took place, trump arrived first of all and... it seems that everything turned out better than expected, and, you know, it caught my eye that, in particular, trump after the meeting with zelensky, for the first time, called putin an enemy, at least a possible enemy, in fact, he said that putin is wrong, and perhaps he is an enemy, and when asked by a journalist whether he really called putin an enemy, he said that he was...

that he was very surprised that putin behaved like this and and and and and and and it is possible, but i don't know if this is a big discovery for the president of the united states, that russia is an enemy, but it seems to me that we will be pleased now with such a small manifestation of common sense. mr. volodymyr, volodymyr dzhujora, with us is a diplomat, vice-president of the united confederation of reserve officers of nato countries, advisor to the senate's department of foreign affairs in 19-21, if we sum up the results of nato, what is the most important result of the summit, good morning, the most important result for nato countries, this is one component, and we are definitely considering the most important result for us, for the alliance itself, all allies have what they recorded in the final document, the immutability of their position on collective security and defense in the euro-atlantic space,

is that the formulations that were supported by all countries, despite this recent loud statement by trump about not everything being so clear with the fifth article, but the fifth article is almost a fundamental position in this treaty, although again from a political, military-political point of view there is a lot to talk about, at the same time there is a fixed clear position on collective security and defense, there is a clear collective understanding, all decisions in the alliance are made by consensus, that is, understanding, the perception and confirmation by all countries that it is necessary to strengthen this security and defense, and this is reflected in the financing of the necessary expenditures, because it is calculated in what volumes, for what perspective, which is important for both the alliance and for us, what is recognized...

the security of ukraine as one of the key, one of the key moments of the security of the euro-atlantic area, and here the final document of the alliance echoes the final document of the nato parliamentary assembly meeting, which took place last month in the united states, this is a political sequence that has been recorded by the heads of state and government, now and previously by all the legislative bodies of these same countries, member countries. nato, this is, if very briefly, if we talk now about the tone itself, some, some, it seems to be changing, regarding ukraine, after our unsuccessful counteroffensive, it seems there was more and more pessimism, regarding whether ukraine can win this war at all, what a ukrainian victory could be, and now gradually, i don't know with what this is probably due to the fact that the russian federation's offensive is not very successful, it has stalled, one might say, at the front.

there are more and more optimistic signals, is it very important for us to maintain our ability to win this war, do our allies believe in it? our allies have no choice but to believe, but this is not just faith, this is participation and this is not support for ukraine, they are aware of this and currently do not consider, strictly speaking, the security of ukraine separately from the security of the euro-atlantic space. and vice versa, the euro-atlantic space is all nato member countries on both sides of the atlantic ocean and this is the feigned pessimism that was articulated by individual representatives of individual nato member countries, i am convinced that this is also because they were working out gas supplies from russia or something else, but again, these were more political statements than real positions. in nato, each country clearly understands

, first of all, the european members, that the security of ukraine is really their security, they understand that even in financial terms, if it didn't sound harsh to us. but the destruction, the stopping of russia on the territory of ukraine by the forces of ukraine, i mean, by the armed forces of ukraine, by ukrainian citizens, and by the use of western weapons, allied weapons, equipment, technologies, resources of various kinds, it is still much cheaper for them and much safer for them than if ukraine falls into their analytics, and then... their defense spending will increase many times, incredible times, and then, if now they initially doubted, how can we explain to our citizens, to our political voters, that it is necessary to redirect some part of our spending from the social sphere to

the military, to defense? now, now they have more and more arguments, especially since this categorical position of russia on the rejection of any peace initiatives , not only to end the war, but at least to suspend hostilities, gives additional arguments, additional factors of influence on these politicians in nato countries for their population, because again, people count money, not only politicians. they count the money, and they will understand how dangerous it is, well, besides the fact that it will really be dangerous, it will not be about money, but about... the prospect of the russian boot, which the criminal putin recently said about, being in the territory of nato countries and more than one, it is incredible, if those boots will now be, will now be pulled out of some shav, which are standing there all over europe,

put on and run to commit terrorist acts, for example, like verforti burned down yesterday, burned military equipment budesfera, or they will come from outside, it doesn't matter whether it's in the form of drones, in the form of anything else, at the same time, this is, in fact, two components, the first, which is clear to all europeans now, it will be huge terrible expenses, they understand the language of numbers much better, and the second is, in fact, a categorical danger and the prospect of russia's invasion in any hybrid or direct form on their territory. mark ruute seems to have said that it's a shame that russia, whose gdp is somewhere in the 25 times less than the total gdp of nato member countries, now produces more weapons than all nato countries combined, but this situation seems to be

corrected now, well now it cannot be corrected so quickly, including this and why so many efforts are being made by europeans, european nato partners out of the desire, motivation of the united states to continue and increase its support for a successful victory over the criminal russian federation in this war, because the scale of the military-industrial complex of europe incomparable with the american ones. here, in fact, we can make a short excursion into history, when from the beginning, after the end of world war ii. the establishment of nato, this is the policy of appeasement, cooperation and interaction with the soviet union, then with the russian federation, which , in the opinion of western partners, was supposed to create such conditions that were understandable and acceptable for them for interaction, integration, cooperation,

which, in the opinion, again, of european politicians and citizens, made armed or any other confrontation impossible with them, but in this situation... and it turned out that both politicians, and analysts, and analysts, they are european, they turned out, and western, in general, they turned out, their positions were wrong, the analysts were wrong, the russian empire, the soviet union, the russian federation, they never perceived themselves as equals, as unambiguous , as partners, as friends, western countries, they perceived them as either, or enemies, or rivals, or those from whom it is necessary to pump out everything that is possible, regardless of any systems, formats, algorithms of interaction, even mutually beneficial, and we see this extremely rapidly in historical terms throughout the entire reign of the criminal putin.

well, mr. vladimir, thank you very much for the conversation, the diplomat was with us , the vice-president of the united confederation of reserve officers of nato countries and the advisor to the eu department, the senate, the ministry of foreign affairs. ukraine in 19-21 , we summed up the results of the nato summit, which took place in gaza, we will also remember a little today, in the meantime i wanted to say you about the fact that a... you remember the funny story, well, it's not that funny, the russians, when they tried to break into the court, they used this kind of pipe, gas pipeline, yes this gas pipeline, actually this empty pipe, the so-called operation pipe, it was later restored and is still being restored in different cities, in schools, they force children in kindergartens there to climb through cardboard pipes for holidays and for matinees and seriously, that's what they have become like. and so to speak, and this is their new fetish, meanwhile, those real soldiers

who got out of that pipe, who weren't killed at the exit, because they were waiting for them there at the exit, a lot of them simply died, but it turned out that some of them, now it's all being clarified for them a little bit, some of them died while still in the pipe, because there were all sorts of very toxic compounds there, which after that gas, technical, in particular various ee... substances that actually ensure the integrity of that entire gas pipeline remained, and now absolutely all of them, without exception, those who survived this operation, have very serious lung injuries, some of them developed lung cancer, others had pulmonary embolism, and what's interesting is that they receive 100,000 rubles in compensation for this, it's somewhere... 100-40 hryvnias for sure, maybe less, due to the fact that these are not considered combat

injuries, that's the story, interesting, interesting, how they send themselves to the other world, well done, well done, but well done, and it's simple and this and this is really in russian, friends, let's take a short break now and continue, let's talk a little about... political situation in the country, stay with us.

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talk about, in particular, the poll from the sotys sociological research center, which was conducted and which appeared on june 6:11, where ukrainians were asked if zelensky and zaluzhny were running for office now, who would get more votes, let's talk about that, and also talk about those political forces that would now appear on our political sky, we will ask all this to oleksiy koshel, a political scientist, doctor of historical sciences, whom we are waiting for on our airwaves, in the meantime we remind you that you are watching us and doing another good deed at the same time, and a good deed is... donation for the 93rd separate mechanized brigade kholodny yar, which we already mentioned today, for example, with our first guest from bilopilly, natalia kolinichenko, who remembered that it was kholodny yar that did everything possible back then in 22 so that the sumy region would not be occupied by the russians, so friends, please join us, we are already collecting the last final million from our big collection of 4 million, we have less than 822 left to collect from this million, we have 178,153 uah and 56 kopecks.

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this whole week 27 00, our viewers are not like themselves, maybe they are a little... tired, but listen, it is much more difficult there on the front line, and we have no right to relax in supporting our troops. the qr code here is the same collection, so join in and the card number is also the same collection. we hope that today's collection result will be better than yesterday, and maybe we will achieve that mark, as it was last saturday, that is, 70 thousand we have collected. we are already told that there is oleksiy koshel, a political scientist, doctor of historical sciences. who is in touch with us, mr. oleksiy, we congratulate you, good morning, mr. oleksiy, the sotsis own study has been released, this is the mood of ukrainians for june of this year, and there is a lot of really interesting information for reflection, in particular , here are interesting figures, in particular, 60%

of ukrainians, such a little pessimism affects the general mood, 59. 60% of ukrainians believe that the situation in general in ukraine has worsened, and the majority also believe that it will worsen next year, the biggest problem, the problem is not called the war, which is probably a little strange, but corruption at the state level 48.5% noted it, but that has already happened, but that has already happened, yes, but in second place are drone and missile attacks. uh, they also believe that the government as a whole is responsible for the bad situation in the country with corruption, in second place are the anti-corruption bodies and the president, in third place, the verkhovna rada and so on, in a word, this is one block of issues, and the second block of questions is also a sociological

survey, who could become the president of the country at the moment, which party would likely... win the elections, and here we have a leader by a large margin, this is the hypothetical valery, actually the candidate valery zaluzhny, who in the second round gets, it seems, 60% of the votes, if he comes out in a pair with zelensky, zelensky gets, it seems, about 40, we have these numbers there, we can show them, so let's try to comment on all this, it's very difficult. comment, especially during war, because i always have such a slight distrust of the results of opinion polls, despite the fact that socis is a fairly authoritative sociological structure, but during the war, during the acute phase of the war, the results of citizens' opinions can depend on many factors, well, in the morning

after the shelling, they call a citizen and say, we are representatives of a sociological structure, the result... will be one, if there is a few days of comfort, conditional comfort in the rear, there is no shelling, the results can be different, that is, these are all very conditional figures, very conditional figures that can change, but the trends are reflected, that is, the problem of corruption, respondents have been pointing to it over the past year, even more, and putting it in the first places, this is the result of corruption scandals, this is the result of the fact that deputies are simply... flying out of parliament in packages, criminal proceedings are initiated, this is the result of the fact that individual vice-prime ministers cannot return to their homeland, they are being searched for somewhere for weeks or a week. uh, yes, this problem remains quite big. regarding ratings, trust, you know, somewhat cynical things, war,

we are talking about ratings, but on the other hand, on the other hand, representatives of both the ruling team and individual political teams have also started working in an electoral format, so i think that sociologists are simply right in this matter, as a response to such pre-election activity during the war. they disseminated information about the results of sociological surveys, again, trust in the military remains incredibly high, this trend has been taking place in recent years, that is, i have come across figures that trust in the armed forces of ukraine is, it seems, 94%, and in the orthodox church of ukraine a little more than 70, well, actually, these are quite friendly, quite acceptable results. well, and here it is important, for what purpose these figures are being made public, what they should lead to, i think, first of all

, these figures should make all branches of government and local self-government think a little and abandon the political format of work. i mean, even now, if we analyze in detail the bill submitted by the government to parliament regarding... the conditional 400 billion for the military, we will see that the government has put everything it could into these 400 billion, including prosecutorial payments, ministerial figures, and much more, that is, this shows that the government cannot concentrate on the key issue, the key issue is war, it is survival, it is defending our statehood, this is the key issue, instead the government is scattered there from additional payments of thousands, and local self-government. well, i'm not talking about everyone, that is, there are exceptions, there are, for example, khmelnytskyi and vinnytsia, which spend more than 20% on the security and defense sector,

and there are communities that spend a few percent there, and they prioritize, for example, paving stones, parks, a fountain was recently opened there during the war, these are very relevant things, that is, it is very important that the authorities use these figures and local governments use them in order to at least partially change. well, where we see changes, there may be changes in the cabinet of ministers, there is a registered bill that says about the fact that it is possible to change the government during a full-scale invasion, and as it sounded on our airwaves, as our guests said, this is connected with the scandal surrounding the person of deputy prime minister chernyshov, who went on a business trip, but then did not want to return from that business trip, eventually returned, and... probably, after certain negotiations , he has suspicions, and now, so that he does not cast a shadow on everyone, they will change the cabinet,

is it time, or should it hurt us somehow, because we do not really understand who is in that cabinet of ministers, and he is not very independent that cabinet of ministers, mr. oleksiy, such a version is quite acceptable, in my opinion, why, because typical practice... the practice of power, well, this is generally the practice of political life itself, a scandal is a scandal, there is a scandal with chernyshov, we simply switch the focus of attention and talk about replacing the cabinet of ministers, but i am somewhat skeptical about the possible replacement of the head of government, why? because i recently counted for myself, since the time, since the appearance of this long-liver on hrushevsky, i mean since the election denys shmyhal. prime minister, he has actually been in this position for the longest time in the entire history of ukrainian independence, well, obviously a phenomenal leader, a large-scale manager, obviously

that's the only way to describe it, i counted for myself about four or five such powerful information waves, when they said that the rotation of the cabinet of ministers would be about to take place, we would see a new head of government, well, actually all this ended in nothing, why, because... that denys shmyhal, unlike all his predecessors, has a phenomenal ability, he is the most loyal prime minister to the banking sector, in the entire history of ukrainian independence, and therefore i actually even have the impression that tomorrow mr. shmyhal will go on a long-term vacation, no one will simply notice his absence, that is, all the levers of influence of the executive branch, the key levers of influence, they are currently ... actually oriented towards the office of the president of ukraine, so it is difficult to find another prime minister with such strong loyalty. here the question is

different: is it necessary to... change now the prime minister and the composition of the cabinet of ministers, in my opinion yes, this should have been done a few years ago, because well, firstly, it is a problem of independence, well, and because of the problem of independence, quite often, quite often individual decisions are not made, because the head's nod is expected, i don't know, from the president's office, from the monomajority, it's hard to say, but the government itself is trying not to do anything, what does this lead to? this leads to problems with making decisions when important decisions are for the military are adopted with a delay of a year, a year and a half, two years. well , just one example, the bill on repe, when, which allows importing rebbe without vat and without duties, was delayed by about a year and a half. imagine, a year and a half in wartime. well,

this bill meant that rebbe from... during these one and a half years it would be possible to import about 30% more, save significant funds. apparently, they were also guided by the president's office or someone, by some certain tips from the curators, i don't know exactly how this system was built, but it is strange, not natural and it is ineffective, these are the key things. and for these things the military counted with their lives. exactly the same stories were the bill on mobilization, on duty-free import of bail, spare parts for drones. many other important military things, and therefore this is actually the second key claim that the government does not know how, does not want, does not understand how to work with the parliament, these should have been their reasons, these are completely 100% reasons for replacing with more influential managers, i don't know, they could be people from the business world, good managers, they could be former government teams, of which we have a lot

and there are actually a lot. effective managers, if you don't look at them under the magnifying glass of party tickets and party colors, in a war situation, they could strengthen the government team, but i'm more saying such fantastic things, and obviously, even if there is a change in the composition of the cabinet of ministers, it will be based on other principles, the principle of loyalty, the principle of convenience, and obviously, you know, this like in mathematical formulas, we can flip the numbers like this... but the sum will not change, mr. oleksiy, thank you very much for this analysis, oleksiy koshel, political scientist, doctor of historical sciences, was with us, we talked a little first about the large survey that was published in the social network on the mood of ukrainians for june, there are many very interesting points of ukrainians' exposure, for example, where they get their main, main sources of information, this is of course telegram, there are also very interesting numbers, with a significantly, significantly decreased number

ukrainians. who say that we need to fight until the territories are recaptured, there are only 20% of them left, 70%, more than 70 are in favor of one way or another of freezing the conflict on the lines that exist now, and these are huge, probably changes, they also require some kind of reflection and discussion, we will talk about this during our broadcast, well , well, now we are approaching the 8 o'clock news release. which 8 o'clock in the morning will come in about half a minute and our reporters have already prepared a fresh selection of annayev melnyk appears on your screens . greetings to you and a word from annoevo. congratulations, colleagues, thank you for your work, we, the news team, continue working, we will tell you about the main things for this hour, in particular, about the situation in the regions and what the european commission is saying about ukraine's accession to the european union. all the details later, stay with us.

the european commission supports the start of negotiations on ukraine's accession to the european union, said the president of the institution, ursula fonderlein. she noted that our state has done its part of the work to start accession negotiations and now. the turn of the member states of the european alliance. the president of the european commission emphasized that the resolute, decisive military, political and european integration support for ukraine. and she added that the european union has already allocated 1 billion euros for the ukrainian defense industry. according to her, europe is also ready to provide ukraine with funds in advance, namely 11 billion euros from the g7 credit package.