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this was a national moment of remembrance for all ukrainians who died in the russian-ukrainian war. we continue and call on you to support the defense forces, in particular the kholodnoyarivtsi, with your donation, in the meantime we will try to find out and ask more about everything. secretary of the committee parliamentary committee on national security, defense and intelligence, colonel of the sbu roman kostenko, in connection with our studio, sir, and we are actually establishing, as they say , a clear connection, and here we will recall that yesterday the news appeared that ukraine withdrew from the ottawa convention, on saturday several european countries did the same with the non-use of anti-personnel mines. the baltic countries,

the european union and nato countries. in short, everyone clearly understands that in this case the terrorist country, which uses it to the maximum, including against the civilian population, that is, different types of mines and everything else, and in this case it can only be resisted exclusively by also mining certain territories, borders and so on. here it would be necessary, it is impossible to be a party to the convention when your enemy violates it all along. mr. roman, roman kostenko should be in touch with us by now. mr. roman, good morning, glory to ukraine. good morning, glory to the studio heroes. so, first the news appears that the baltic countries are withdrawing from the ottawa convention, yesterday the news appears that ukraine plans to withdraw from the ottawa convention. the president signed the act of kaz, so explain to us, that is, what is next?

well, first of all, this is a process that should have been abandoned a long time ago, we understand that we are at war, russia has never signed this convention, and all this time russia has been using anti-personnel mines and other shells against us, which are prohibited by various conventions, we, unfortunately, were limited and, let's say , put our own. servicemen and our territories at risk, because after all, the territories are mined, they are better protected, even when we build, we say, we don't have poorly built fortifications, fortifications are defended by people and mini-barriers, only combined fortifications with barbed wire, when there is wire, when there are dragon's teeth, there are anti-tank ditches, and when these communication fortifications are still mined, then they have an effect. when they can simply be pushed

aside and passed through, the effect is much weaker, so we carried out this work, i will say that i wrote many requests to the ministry of defense, and the ministry of foreign affairs, at first i received refusals, then i wrote requests to the president, remember, i even wrote on my facebook and also contacted the national security and defense council, this work was probably carried out for more than six months, it may... not have been visible from the outside, but we constantly worked there and with the national security and defense council, and with the president's office, they persuaded and said that this was really necessary, and it was not only me , there were also representatives of the president's office who helped, including those who conveyed this information that it was necessary to come out, why were they afraid? i will say, there were different stories, even, let's say, one department declared, and if we leave... they will not

give us equipment for demining, and i explain to them, because it is given only to those countries that are in the convention, i say, yes, we do not need to demine, yes, demining is one story, now the issue of mining territories. so that the enemy does not take even more territories, well, these were the discussions, and it is very good that the president heard what was reported to him and he issued a decree, but this is an international treaty, international treaties can be relied upon, which, let's say, are voted on by the verkhovna rada, it goes, uh, the verkhovna rada approves them, yes by voting, and also the exit. is from the president's submission, so i was thinking of submitting a resolution on exit, but according to our laws , only the president or the ministry of foreign affairs can submit a bill on exit, so the president made a decree and now, based on this decree , the verkhovna

rada has to vote on it and so on, and then the parliament has to vote, and then, but there's more, there yes, you know, yes, there are many questions specifically on the exit mechanism, it's written clearly in convention. that when you vote in the verkhovna rada, you withdraw within six months, oh, and you withdraw from this convention, but it also says that a country that is in a state of war, like, cannot withdraw from the convention, well, this is absurd, i think, and we talked to our diplomats, we have already withdrawn from several such conventions, there is the vienna convention, which has article 62, if i am not mistaken, and there is a change in circumstances. this or that country can quickly withdraw from some agreement, i hope that our diplomats will still they will press, they will use this vienna convention, when we say: well, look, we will definitely not give the russians an advantage for another six months so that they can continue to seize our territory,

here we need to include all our diplomatic capabilities, the capabilities of the verkhovna rada and go out and make sure that the enemy does not have an advantage, mr. roman, this is always the case. our one and the same question to our defenders and to the locals, in sumy region, in particular representatives of the military-civilian administration, why were not entire areas mined on border, so it was precisely because we were in this convention, was it a head-scratcher, that is, the question here is, did the convention prevent us from mining the borders in kharkiv, sumy, chernihiv, or are there others? problems, human , well, unfortunately, so far we in the convention cannot tell all the nuances, why else did we do it, yes, because we once adopted, i was also against, the rome statute, which allows us to bring our military personnel there for violating some conventions,

for some, well, for example, someone saw a war crime, the same russian federation will submit that someone there, as if from its point of view... violated some convention and the european court will judge our defenders, that's why i was against this convention, it was voted for, and i don't know why they did it, the military was also against it, but they decided to do it, this is this convention that we voted for, now we are withdrawing from it, because other countries, including the united states, israel, they have not ratified this the rome statute, especially during a war, a war. this, let's say, is another way in which you can even discuss your decision, which is correct, from different sides, so look, if we were not in this convention, here it is not a question of whether we would mine or not, here the question is whether we would have something to mine

, and now i hope that after this process our partners will transfer it to us, we will expand our production and we will... make normal barriers, you see that the baltic countries are already the same did before this, by the way i argued this, when they didn't listen to me, they said, it's not possible, these are international treaties, i don't know in what world they were all those, probably those who weren't on the battlefield, when they put conventions against people's lives there, that's why i'm saying that the baltic countries, finland, too, and they have already decided that they will make such a strip directly mined along. with the russian federation, there are two somethings, the russian federation, us, we and belarus still have 1080, and it all has to be mined,

fortifications have been built and prepared for defense, and for this we definitely need anti-personnel and anti-tank mines, and this is understandable, but can we look at this problem from another side, because there was a special parliamentary commission, then a special investigative commission, it received status, it concerned the fortification of the same sumy region mentioned, and in this case, part of this defense, fortifications should be these minefields that we are talking about, i am now talking about the fact that there are various parliamentary mechanisms that somehow launched, and everything related to security and defense, the parliament does vote, then we have the executive branch of power, which is called the government, it is supposedly collegial, wise, and must sit in on meetings, but we see that a lot of things are not being done by the government, in particular by certain ministries that would have this, now they will hang all the dogs on them, i understand that, because they say, these are

the last days of the shmygaliad, and here we want to ask you, we will get a government that will finally be a government that will launch the war economy, the war economy time, or will we get a government where they simply rearrange the figures, change the names, but the functions of the government, which you'. it orders from the outside, and does not generate itself, or listens to the parliament, well, here's your calculation, what will we get at the end? yes, listen, i think you know the answer that i will give, i definitely do not hope that there will be some new independent government, well, now it is impossible for us, because this government is also, well, in fact it executes, it is not subjective, well, i do not want to offend anyone now, but it is a fact, and... like part of the verkhovna rada somewhere, and the government, especially since it's just

all ministers sitting on the bank, well, yes, if you take it, they give it, teams come from there, some policies are formed there, and the government is just the executors of someone's decision, not the minister, who has to, let's say, form a policy and then, well, according to the laws that we adopt, then implement it, no, it's... they wait for teams and just carry them out, say that we will get something else, definitely not now, while we have such a system working, and i think they will simply rearrange, as my colleague yaroslav zheleznyak says, the beds are in places, and those who were ministers there yesterday will become prime ministers there, those who were ministers of some ministries will go to other ministries, some ministries simply. i would like, mr. rovan, i would really like to understand, in this case you

are our, our pride, mind, honor and conscience of our era, whether mariana is completely wrong or not, because she wrote that there is no point in hiding behind a woman, behind a skirt, nothing, sveredenko in the premiership, let yermak rule everything, she wrote she, he is ready, and this is the prime minister ready, so this scenario is real, we will get prime minister andriy yermak. and i don't think, i don't think, i think, these are some of her assumptions, what i know, is what you named, yulia sveredenko, well, we see that they are close, they are constantly together, so i think there is no difference, andriy yermak or mrs. yulia, it's all the same, well, i understand that a person, well, who works closely with andriy borisov. yermak, therefore, therefore, and the fact that yermak will be,

well, i'm not sure, or uh, i'm not sure, i only heard it from maryana, and more, i haven't heard anything else, and i 'll tell you that such rumors were circulating even before that, so i don't believe it, but look, anything could happen, so i wouldn't be surprised if they take it to the hall for a vote, but i don't see why he needs it, uh, yes, sir. thank you for the conversation, thank you for being with the audience from the press, roman kostenko, colonel of the security service of ukraine and secretary of the parliamentary committee on national security, defense and intelligence, and in fact this the committee is our key parliamentary committee now, after which we draw a conclusion, where and where we are deploying the country, in which for three years in a row we have been told about a government of professionals , technical or national. and about restarting the economy on rails, the military,

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i believe that this is a political discussion. they are talking about something important. ukraine will never recognize the occupied territories as russian. politklub every sunday at 8 pm on espresso. putin publicly acknowledged the economic problems in russia for the telegraph writes: they recognize something, they recognize, at first they did not recognize, now they already admit that their problems arose unexpectedly at the so-called st. petersburg economic forum, there, first of all, except for various completely propagandistic speeches, because there were all sorts of nightingales and all their others, but listen, they even government officials have already begun to admit here on the government platform, they suddenly started saying that we are on the verge of a virtual collapse, and how did putin even allow us to talk about it, he said this recently,

he is simply trying to translate all this into a version that we are preparing soft. the situation is difficult, we are preparing a soft pillow, i did not understand what kind of pillow it should be, filled with yuans, so who will give them to you, then that it could be a gas pillow, they also officially recognized this for the first time, because their gazprom has billions of gas, they said, sanctions are not scary to us, let the europeans go through the forest, we will give all the gas to the chinese, but it turned out that the chinese do not need it. there is no pipe, the power of siberia has not been built, because there is not enough money for it, and the chinese do not give, in a word, where to put this gas, smart people would say: listen, in your country 30% of zombies. live without toilets and without gas, then give the russians gas, but no, on the contrary, they said, due to the difficult and economic situation,

we will raise gas prices for the russians, here the problems of gazprom will be solved by simple russians, ordinary russians, then they cannot count on the iranian real either now, considering that with economist oleg ostenko, advisor to the president of ukraine on economic issues in the 19-24 years, we will now talk about this and that. mr. oleg, we congratulate you, glory to ukraine. yes, yes, i congratulate you, good morning, thank you for inviting me, glory to the heroes. so, putin's government officials have already openly started to declare problems with the economy in russia, has something happened? have they changed the methodology, or is it no longer possible to hide it? i think that the problems in the russian economy have been growing all these years, starting from the beginning of this. staff war, but it just now turned out that solving them seems to be impossible at the expense of some internal reserves

that were in russia before, what is being discussed, let's not forget that the first sanctions packages that were generally opened against russia, they concerned the fact that they cannot access, say, foreign markets, borrow capital, this means that there were many others, but... this is the first one that was generally adopted, what does this mean? this means that when the economy in russia slows down, and it has been happening during these years, the slowdown of the economy against the background of the worsening external economic situation for them in terms of decreasing revenues to the state budget, from their own exports, means, that there is no possibility to finance. deficit, and the only possibility is internal resources, there are already more internal resources than in the third year of the war and there are none, you can try, they tried

to put pressure on entrepreneurs, they tried to transfer funds from one program to another, it means that they transferred social programs to military programs, well, they have reached this limit, when it will simply be impossible to do this. and that is why at the last meeting in st. petersburg of their economic st. petersburg economic forum, it was already openly discussed that there are problems related to inflation, related to the budget with a deficit, and it is clear that an economy that is isolated from the world market of development, innovations, it cannot feel normal in the short and medium term. this is happening now in russia, well, let's remember mishustin's statements six months ago, when he went to novosibirsk

and i'm starting and meeting with young scientists, novosibirsk branch of the academy of sciences, started talking about the fact that well, let's try to duplicate things that are produced in the... west and let's import the mixture and i'll give you one year for that, and then after thinking a little, he said, well, let's do it in three years, and then he said in five, and if he were given the opportunity to continue this series, then i assure you, he would have reached a 20-year period, this shows that there is no time to do it, and so it is moving in all directions, and by the way, in st. petersburg. they declared and they have already called for openly duplicating foreign equipment and technology, because their own

developments have not existed before, well , completely, here it is, this is the option when import substitution, as they said, as a reaction to sanctions against the russian economy, has acquired a certain meaning, we have seen that this is how it works, this is such an effective mechanism, because we have a global example in the form of chinese communists and chinese spies, they stole, stole, copied everything , it turned out crooked, then less crooked, then normal, and now in some areas where they stole technology, they, on the contrary, broke forward, so the chinese showed that such a principle can work, or the russians, who now openly say that ours and... it is to start through third countries, as they say, disassemble, untwist and then release under their own nameplate, they can do it, i

'm not asking about cars here. because that's because this is a painful topic for them. stupid roads and chinese cars with a lada nameplate. i'm talking about these other technologies that can save the russian economy, and so they will allow them to continue to kill and bomb us. can they repeat the chinese pattern? well, theoretically they can repeat this path, but let's remember that china has been moving along this path since 1985, that is, in russia. some additional opportunities may appear over the next 45 years, well, if we consider that 45 years is not a period of time, then we can expect that with a complete closure of the country and even just replicating goods from other countries, high-tech, they can achieve the result, but in the future from today day there, let's say from 40, well there in an optimistic scenario

from 40 years, but then. it will not work in the way it worked in china, firstly, china was the first to move in this direction, and it was unclear how the shift would occur there, how they would make these replicants, how they should be looked after, china was not excluded from all international processes, in this case russia is excluded from the processes, let's say ... research and development, it cannot there to cooperate, it is excluded from many sciences in general, scientific and technical, scientific and technical exchange operations, there is no possibility to exchange even some information in them, china massively sent its students to the west so that they could study, and then returned

them to its... country, russia does not do this and will not be able to do this, because these are completely different categories of countries, well, listen, and also, let's not forget, china is there, despite its communist ideology and all sorts of problems that are in they are internal in nature, from the point of view of the economy, this is a country whose gross domestic product, which is, well, approximately according to the results of this year, will be at the level of , let's say, 20 trillion dollars, this is the second economy in the world, when... we are talking to you about the russian economy, it is not the third, not the fourth, not the fifth, not the tenth, this is an economy the size of, let's say, spain, this is an economy of 2 trillion dollars, this is an economy that is smaller than the chinese economy , just tens of times, 10 times, it is smaller than the chinese economy, when they talk in their official statements there,

china and russia, or russia... and china, trying to show their importance and their economic weight, it means absolutely nothing, because it's exactly like in the movies me and vasya, only vasya is 10 times bigger than me, well, that's what it comes down to, mr. olezh, but what about us, because we understand that in a state of war, to talk about some logical and independent economic policy of the government, well, we won't do that. what about our situation, because we see that here now they decided that it's time to change the government, well, i don't know why right now is the time, we see certain parameters, inflationary, and that's all we see, but at the same time we understand that in the war of survival, in and attrition, our western partners have always helped us, now the us has actually fallen financially,

and the europeans... they say, we will help all the time, well, we want to understand in what, in what position we are now in terms of economic stability and change of government and in terms of macrofinancial parameters of the same budget for next year minus the us, for example, if we assume that a change of government can change the economic situation in ukraine, then i am more pessimistic about it, why... well, i believe that this will not happen, because the economic problems that we have are a consequence of the war, and not a consequence of some incorrect actions or mistakes, a group of mistakes that, of course, they had mistakes, but these are not such massive mistakes that could simply be completely prevented, that could have been for...