let it go, if he wants to do it, he says that ukraine's accession to the european union will bring war to the european union, will bring crime to the european union, will bring armageddon there, the end of the european union. fico says the same thing, plus or minus, but you are really right there, a more moderate version. let's say we will even do everything. and these two countries, and two more countries may appear after them, if you... you said correctly that the populists will win there, or the populists are racist, or whatever they call them, and they will say, no, we don't want to, because they look towards the kremlin, or they get money there, or simply because it's popular among their people, that's how the propaganda has fed these people, what to do then in such a case in this situation, there are such countries, they don't let us in, how should we act ? it turns out then that we

will not join the european union even by 2030, despite all our desire, if there are such people, such political forces and such the political trends that you just mentioned are inspired by trump, right? please, what do you think, mr. olysh? yes, but we need to, well, i was raised in such a way that we don't need to look for any reasons from outside, but we need to start with ourselves and look at ourselves. so if we forget about orban, about all these, well, enemies of ukraine, and just look at ukraine and honestly ask ourselves, are we really behaving like a country that aspires to become a member of the european union, do we really have an independent, independent branch of government, do we there is no influence, the influence of one branch of government on another, or our security service. ukraine

deals exclusively with counterintelligence, and does not make business a nightmare, or we have tax, border and all other services, they work to support ukrainian business, help it, enter foreign markets, or everything is getting more difficult for us, but if we start to look very honestly at what is happening here, we will understand that yes, these problems that we mentioned can only be talked about on the condition that we have done everything else ourselves. but if we have the chernyshov case, which we just mentioned, where is there anything close to european practice, to european standards, to the real fight against corruption there, and such cases, now, if i start listing them, we need to invite our glorious anti-corruption activists here, they will fill the entire airwaves with facts, but you and i know these facts, we know that in reality

very often we only declare european aspirations, and many of the things that make europeans european, we do not do this we don't do that, and the europeans came to the conclusion that after the last enlargement, when they took in romania, which was not quite ready, bulgaria, which was not quite ready, it took them 10 years to digest them, as they say, and more or less adapt and integrate them into their european system. but they are already used to this, and the topic is whether the countries that will be included in the last wave of enlargement, 10 countries, will have any advantages, so the conclusion is that each subsequent enlargement is tougher and more difficult conditions for gaining membership, but despite all this, we have no way out, we simply understand that for us not to be...

not not not to be in the european union, not to be part of the western world, it means being in the russian empire, uh, i completely agree with you, mr. olezh, there are two sides to this problem, here and on the one hand they, whom we talked about, and on the other hand we, we must also do everything in order to have the opportunity to join the eu. thank you sincerely for your answers, your thoughts. baichu, head of the joint action center, vice prime minister of ukraine for european integration.

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382, ​​vote sincerely, please call us, it is really important to know your opinion, and we are moving forward, in touch with us now myroslav gai, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine. volunteer, myroslav, congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to the hero. a few words about how the nearest sometimes we, ah, will probably change our approaches to some issues, if we talk about the introduction of hostilities directly. there is information that the president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky signed a decree on ukraine's withdrawal from the ottawa convention on anti-personnel mines. and he wrote about it literally. day roman kostenko and now the issue must be considered by the verkhovna rada of ukraine. let me remind you that ukraine signed this convention in 1997. russia has never signed it, which is why it actively uses this type of weapon. generally speaking about our obligations

in this regard, in january 2012 the then parliament of ukraine adopted the law of ukraine on the ratification of the agreement between the cabinet of ministers of ukraine and the nato organization on technical maintenance and supply. on the demilitarization of small arms and light weapons, conventional ammunition and anti-personnel mines of the pfm1 type. several stages and as of 2020 we have already destroyed about 3 million such mines, which would be very useful to us now, but these were our obligations, in particular as a country that is standardizing with the north atlantic alliance, in order to enter in the future, mr. myroslav, taking into account the trends on the front line, the clear assaults by small groups that the enemy uses, will decide, in fact, this is the issue of the use of anti-personnel mines, in your opinion,

well, first, i will correct you a little, compliance with the convention on the use and storage, production of... anti-personnel mines does not apply to membership in the alliance, each country of the alliance has the opportunity to choose whether it will comply with this convention, signs or not, now some states that are members of nato and have signed this convention have also refused it, regarding the use of anti-personnel mines, well... activist and we actively use them, we just always adhere to international conventions, in particular, it is mandatory, say, to adhere to controlled detonation, for example, of anti-personnel mines, such as mon, mena, for example, etc., but

war, of course, makes its own adjustments, because fighting in the largest war in europe since world war ii, where assaults. this is in particular by small groups of infantry or motorcycle groups, without the use of mines, well, it is very difficult and almost impossible to contain such an attack, but the fact that we have now withdrawn from the convention is not a question of using mines on the battlefield, they are already being used, and a lot of improvised explosives, well , improvised explosive devices are being used, this is more a question of the ability to purchase such... to occupy, store and produce weapons, this is what we are talking about more, that is, now our brothers with the eu, who are preparing to repel, possibly repel, russian aggression,

they also refused this convention, and so they declare that first of all this is being done in order to be able to accumulate them, which means that they will... scatter them along this border with russia, but to have such an opportunity in the event of an aggravation of the situation, they want to have it, and accordingly they are going for it, that is, in fact, we are now simply bringing uh... that is, we are doing, removing this distortion that existed all these 10 years. mr. myroslav, another topic, it concerns what the russians are doing in the occupied territories, we must deal with this and we must look at what, who is investing, what who is doing. what facilities are being built there, well, information appeared the other day that russia wants to build

a port and a railway in the annexed crimea, but this does not seem to be news, with the help of china, the head of the so-called occupation administration of crimea, sergey aktsyonov, made a decision to actually involve chinese business in the construction here this transport infrastructure in crimea, according to the foreign intelligence service of ukraine during the last meeting, aksenov stated that there were preliminary agreements on such facilities. the first is the kerch seaport, so in principle russia is already actively using it, but here china should connect to it, and the second is also the base of the russian naval port, lake donuzlav. actually, the situation is that china is helping russia one way or another. with equipment, drones, components to drones, well, here

it will be practically directly involved in the construction of facilities that can be used, including as military facilities in the occupied crimea, how should we react to all this and what should ukraine do, well, in such a situation, perhaps from a military point of view, and perhaps you will answer from a point of view... from an international-political point of view, how should our state react to all these things, because this is already a rather dangerous precedent, look, well, officially china does not sell, as far as i know, the very machines that russia needs for military equipment, but they sell those machines that can be used in the military-industrial complex, in principle, as they sell in ukraine, because unfortunately, they are quite... cynically using this war to make money, and the main components for drones are produced in china,

the main components for robots are produced in china, machine tools for mechanical engineering, 3d printers, plastic for 3d printers, well, china has become a powerful state, and this state, i mean an economically productive state, and he is a benefactor, they use this, they really know how to build ports, especially to deepen the water area for the use of large ships, both military and ships that do international cargo transportation, for this it is necessary to deepen the equator, because i will tell you that in ukraine, before the full-scale war, they also considered the possibility of involving china in the construction of ports, they know how to do this, on the other hand, it can be said that these ports will one way or another in the future or be destroyed

by the defense forces of ukraine, as military facilities are legal, or after the liberation of crimea they will simply become, well, the property of ukraine, well, what can you do, but anyway, it's simple, you see every day, almost every week in crimea, from which russia has made a kind of military base to control the black sea area, it is regularly attacked, with drones, missile weapons, etc., we have recently seen a very interesting and successful operation to damage the crimean bridge, and such operations will continue, so that one way or another, crimea will soon be it will be forced to become an island, because after the destruction that will happen to crimea. and it will happen not only for military

reasons, but also for geological reasons, then in principle to take control of the isthmus, land crossing to crimea, this is a purely technical task, so accordingly, recently there was information from partisans, who are conditional, so to speak , who operate on the territory of crimea, some russian military are bringing their families, well, in principle it is logical, because they have brought their own there over the past 10 years wives, children, and now they understand the threats that may be for the crimean peninsula, under any conditions, even if this war of ours does not, in what state it does not pass, conditionally speaking, whether there will be a cessation of the conflict, or some kind of pause, this territory is still illegal, and all military facilities on the territory

of crimea, to which ports belong, in particular, they are legitimate targets for the defense forces of the country, so i do not think that the draft language will seem to be realized. well, actually, ukraine is conducting systematic work behind enemy lines, as in the occupied territory, and on the sovereign territory of the russian federation, and we receive confirmation from the general staff about the results of the strikes, for example, on russian airfields, this is no longer some kind of extraordinary news, and our colleagues have already told us about it, and here glory to the defense forces, as they say, but at the same time i would like to return to what depends on us here and now, on what might need to be improved or revised, mr. miroslav, or how would you assess the approach in general

now to the fortification process, when we talk about the combat zone, very much. the information is different, of course, we are guided by official statements during one of his last communications with journalists, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, general syrsky, noted that special groups on fortification issues are being created in operational-tactical groups, that we are even changing their visual appearance and functionality somewhat in connection with what types of weapons we are currently using and so on, they are not fighting in dugouts, they are fighting people - says the commander-in-chief. at the same time, we have enough, we, as civilians, you know, allow ourselves to evaluate such news, for example, from sumy region. colleagues from business censorship estimate that the department of capital construction of the sumy oblast oblast held 116 tenders in 2024. the contractors of these purchases

were classified in the regional state administration, the tenders were held through the electronic system prozoru at the beginning or in the middle of 2020. and the total value of the contracts there is approximately 3 billion uah, a little less, but as of today in the status only one is transparently listed as completed or completed, in other words, there is a certain slippage, at least in those moments that we can evaluate, because they are public, how it really looks on the spot, is it functional, are we coping with the fortification where it is needed, so that the enemy is not there. it is so easy to advance through our territory, we have lost contact a little now, let's try to restore it, i remind you that myroslav gai, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, a volunteer, we are actually talking about fortifications, and why are we talking

about fortifications, because the russians , unfortunately, are pressing from all sides, we see the situation in sumy region, where in principle... they managed to stop them, we see that the rashists are still trying to put pressure on the kharkiv region, the kupyansk direction is also a priority for them here, and mr. myroslav is coming back to us, as far as i can see, so mr. myroslav, if you heard khrystyna's question, please, yes, i heard ms. khrystyna's question, not completely, well, you can correct me, look, unfortunately, regarding there are no simple solutions to fortifications, i'm not in... sumy region now, but the brigade i serve in has been in this direction for a long time, now we're in a different direction, i'm not near the border either, i look at how these are built, where fortifications are built, how the defense of cities is prepared, it all depends on many

things, firstly, fortifications are built in... several lines from a point and different performers are responsible for its construction in different areas, because, for example, you can't build fortifications on the line of combat contact very effectively and quickly, due to the fact that you cannot use any equipment, any cars, any transport , it is almost instantaneous, whether from our side or from the russian side, then... we see, even just some excavator, i'm not talking about cars, in principle, everything that moves is instantly damaged, that is, in such directions, depending on the intensity of the fighting. actions , in fact, something like, well, or we call it differently, holes, trenches, pits,

that, which expand, can then turn into a code combination and some more or less full-fledged fortification, it all depends on the fighters on the ground and on the situation nearby, it is very difficult, and we often... the positions that we are told are impossible to hold due to the enemy's strikes, in particular with aircraft, artillery, drones, in fact it is almost difficult to dig in there, especially if your aircraft is being pounded 24/7, there is a second line, which is much easier, you can probably build something there, i'll tell you, i even had units deployed in one of the directions, hotter,

large settlements along the line along the demarcation line where well on the border for example so or not far from the front line there local authorities are responsible for this construction or contractors they hire and those bunkers yes such well relatively speaking concrete structures as points of long-term defense then themselves. trenches, which are already there differently sheathed with wood, places for storing ammunition, hiding personnel, they are already being built in accordance with the design documentation provided

military institute, it is developed, and this documentation is signed by a large number of officials, not only local authorities, but also those people who either developed or accepted this documentation, that is, it is a rather complicated process, so you can't say that... it is solely this person who is to blame for the absence or inadequate quality of certain trenches , unfortunately , responsibility here is often collective, it is blurred, and there have been comedic cases where the contractor, i just know of such a case, decided to make fortifications on his own at his own discretion, because he believed that his vision. more professional or more useful there, that is, it is quite a complicated and every day on a complicated story in each area these fortifications

are built differently, but in the fields of course everything depends on the commanders, for example, when our brigade was in the kharkov direction, well, it was a long time ago, although we had a temporary transfer, here we have a fortification of mines. communication moves, well, they were at the height, we passed, well, it's no secret anymore, i won't tell you the secret, because it was almost two years ago, we have painful fields, we transmitted from our lane for more than 9 hours, there everything was simply sewn up, as we say, everything was protected, every road, every tree, every grove, you know, what only a soldier would do to prevent the enemy from reaching him, if there is the opportunity and time. that's why, again, it's different in each area, but in general, i'll tell you that this story is endless,

and you can't build a fortification and forget and say that we have this issue has been resolved, this is a continuous process of building up an echeloned , trenched defense line, and even when the war ends, it will sooner or later... end, i believe it will end with ukraine's victory, we will need to complete, build and constantly build up along the entire border with the russian federation, and also with belarus, a line of minefield fortifications , which should be under the control of specific units, which will most likely remain there to serve for the entire subsequent historical period. independent ukraine, because now we have to keep there always and... units not only of border guards, but also of the armed forces, and the national guard, and mini-fields, respectively, and as, you know, when someone jokes, trv with crocodiles, so trv

too. and this will be history, you know, which will concern not only you and me, but also future generations. thank you, myroslav, the conclusion, the thoughts and accents are really very important. myroslav gai, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, a volunteer, and we remind you that today we are asking you whether it is worth radically changing the composition of the government during the war, because this is exactly the information about future personnel rotations in the cabinet of ministers that is starting to appear, and this is public. and we are asking you, let's say, a little in advance. if you agree with the statement, then please dial 0800 211 381, if not, then 0800 211 382, ​​all your calls are anonymous and free of charge. yes, our third guest today is igor chelenko, head of the center for analysis and strategies. mr. igor, we are glad to see you, good evening, glory to ukraine. herram glory, i congratulate you. mr. igor, we start with one

of the most important news for russia, this is what is happening with the so-called ethnic issue, now also with the azerbaijani issue, in russia, in fact, the persecution of local azerbaijanis has begun, and this has caused not just a diplomatic scandal, but in fact , it is almost on the verge of a diplomatic rift between russia and azerbaijan, what happened, the authorities of azerbaijan... canceled all cultural events with the participation of state and private structures of the russian federation - in response to the detention azerbaijanis in russian yekaterinburg due to the fact that two people died, according to azerbaijani sources, during a special operation, detention at least two citizens of azerbaijan died, these are brothers hussein and ziyadit safarov. russian security forces claim that they felt sick, but in baku they declare

a brutal. murder and actual torture, several times several people also received serious injuries, and nine were arrested. well, actually russia claims that the accused, actually, allegedly, the accused allegedly organized murders and assassinations in 2001 dash 2011. and here it is really interesting, mr. igor, why has such a catavasia begun in russia now, why did they start? to kill azerbaijanis at this very moment, and the most interesting thing is the reaction of azerbaijan, we see that in essence there, i apologize, they are multiplying by zero the russian influence, russian cultural centers, russian media, and as a journalist i am especially pleased to read this, the special forces of azerbaijan stormed the main office of the russian editorial office of the satellite azerbaijan, baku, and even two fsb officers

who were in charge of the entire propaganda were detained car. in azerbaijan itself, well, this is what it looks like, our viewers can now see the video, how they do it, this is a wonderful spectacle, so, but mr. igor, let's get back to you, to our questions, what this could ultimately turn out to be between russia and azerbaijan, and whether there could really be any far -reaching consequences in relations between the two countries, please, let's start with the fact that relations are already very seriously violated between azerbaijan and the kremlin regime, well, at least we can recall the situation regarding the azerbaijani passenger plane in the sky near grozny, which was accidentally shot down by a russian

tank, and until now, by the way... there has never been, just an apology for the situation, there was an apology that it happened in the russian sky, but without further specifics, but nevertheless, what happened here, well, at least over the last month, we can mention that azerbaijan , about a week or three ago, there was news that active military communications had begun... between azerbaijan and nato, as an alliance, not just turkey, as a member of nato, we know about the fruitful ties between azerbaijan and turkey, and even about a certain unofficial role of ankara in strengthening the azeris on the issue of karabakh, well, but nevertheless, here we are talking about improving relations with nato,

this is the first point, the second point - regarding the energy sector.