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have a great night. we will see you on mony. good evening, everybody. thanks for bing with us. attorney general eric holder toninight is trying to hold on s job, despite calls from membs of both political parties for the president to get rid of him. holder's role in politicizing the justice department, authorizing spng on mmmbers of the national media, his role in the fast and furious gun running scandal, all leading to calls for his resignation, and now top republicans on the house judiciary committee have gun an investigation into whethe holder outrit lied to their committee two weeks ago, when holder made this statement. >> with regard to the potential osecution of the press for the disclosure of material, that is not something that i have ever
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been involved in heard of or would think would be a wise policy. in fact, my view's quite the opposite. >> it was just overa week later on may 24th that the department of jtice revealed that an affidavit giving the department of justice access to fox chief washinon correspondent james rosen's e-mails was quote, approved at the highest evels, includin discussions with the attorney general himself. and to ga access to those records, the fbi and justice attorneys had to sign an affidavit that effectively accused rosen of espionage by labeling him a coonspirator. house judiciary committee chairman bob goodlott said a pointed letter to holder demanding answers to a number of questions regarding the attorney general's role in the rosen scandal and his department spying on as many as 100 reporters and editors at the sociated press. letter read quo imperative that the committee,
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the congress and the americ people be provided a full and accurate account of your involvement. the white house press secretary, jay carneytoday, who has been caught in a number of misstatements and contradictions of his own, if not outright lies, today claimed that holder's testimony was truthful and that president obama still has the utmost confidence in his attorney general. not all liberals agree wi the president. prominent left wing scholar and george washington university law professor jonathan turley wrote a scathing op-ed in today's "usa today" . he called holder the preside's quote, sin eater, while calling for his firing. this follows casin the left-leaning huffington post for holder to go as well. the dartment of justice reacted by reaching out to washington, d.c. bureau chiefs major print and broadcast organizations to set up a meetinith the attory general to talk about changes to the doj's guidelines for ne
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organizations' subpoenas. a source close to the attorney general telling fox news that the a.g. regrets the breadth of the rosen and associated press inquiries. an official department of justice statement read quote, the a.g. realizes that things might have gotten a little out of balance, and he wants to make changes to be sure the rules fully account for thbalanc between the first amendment and law enforcement. no exactly a bouquet of roses extended by the attorney general. for more on the white house scandals a whether wcan expect accountability from this administration, radio talk show host mica crowley, fox news digital politics editor, chris steinwald. thanks for being he. monica, let me beg with you. this reaching ut to the press by the attorney general, if there were ever a clearer act of dedesperatn, what could it be? >> well, it's hard to find one, right? so far he's offered his quote, remorse and now he's offering face time to reporters to try to
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puout his side of the story. it's a little late for that. this attorney general is reay up to his eyeballs in a whole range of scandals. his answers have not been forthcoming. there's no truth telling going on so what he hopes to accomplish by meeting with these -pbureau chiefs is something le open. >> as we reported, chris, this -- the attorney general straight out saiaid that he was not involved in anything that would be a potential prosution. this could be a re outright misrepresentation of the reality by any imagination, could there? >> well,nfortunately for the attorney general, this is one of those situations where the only defense ends up being one of incompetence or neglect, where you are able to say well, i didn't rad it o i didn't know, i signed it but i asn't aware. those are the kinds of statements thatou have to make in this ca to avoid a perjury charge and congressman golatt
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and his committee are going to be very good at holding him to account on this because their goal more than anything else, yeah, they're pushing on the perjury but theyant to know how many journalis over what period of time and how many phone lines, how many e-mail accounts. that's what they want to get to. >> to chris' poinn, monica, the reality is we have no idea w many journalistshe jstice department has spied upon or records were seized to follow and trace their traffic, whether it be in communicatioror whether it be their physical lotion in washington, d.c. or for that matter, any part of the country. >> right. >> does he actually survive this? >> it's a huge outstanding question because we have two trac here. first of course we have the james rosen and fox news case which is the case in question here. but prior to that, we've had the exposure of the associated press and the justice department going after 20 phone lines the that cover about 100 reporters and editors of the a.p. so the question is how many journalis, that question has not been answered, what were you really hoping to gain by this.
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the surface story is well, they were going after leakers and they wanted to prosete national security leakers, but there's an underlying idealogical reason why they were going after the press which i an attempt to reallyintimidate and silence not only those reporters but potential whistleblowers on stories like benghazi and the a.p. and fox news. >>chris,dodoes the atto generasurvive? >> no, but the question is when. and that's the big one. attorneyeneral is not a position in which somebody generally stays a very lg time. . holder's tenure by mparison is long for an attorney general. he surprised many in staying on into the second term and not like hillary clinton excusing himself after re-election. so here he is. i bet obama wishes that holder would have retired already so he could have taken much of this with him, but instead, he stayed, so he can't leave now or it looks like a crisis, and who in the heck would the senate confirm under these circumstances, so mr. hold has to drag his feet, go slow, wait
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for this to die down, and then find a more opportune moment to slip out. >> there is a lot of pressure building on the attorney general. you see not just republicans holding his fe to the fire, doing these investigations, but now you see left wing journalists, you see left wing peopleike jonathan turley, who you reported on earlier, the ffington post also calling for his resignation, but there's only one person whose opinion counts when it comes to eric holder and that's the president of the united stat. the second the president deems him a political liability, lou, he is gone. president obama has shown no mercy wh it comes to people whobecome inconvenient to him. i personally can't think of a person who has become a liability to the extent of ec holder. there are all sorts of articles about hi being theresident's altar ego. i don't know if any of that amounts to anything but i do know this. the president himself has a credibility crisis. the president himself has a
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crisis of coidence on the part of certainly congress, and we have a president who is effectively willing to run off to chicago as he is tonight, and raise money as a way to, well, disistract himsf. this is not a happy time. >> democrats are going to need all that mone the president raes tonight and every penny more because 2014 is going to be a rough run d eric holder's not going to make it sier. but as to his being the alter ego and all of that stuff, it's important for not how it makes barack obama feel but for what the president's base thinks. the president is less concerned abou what republicans say. he's more concerned about what his activist base says, the folks who got him re-elected. they l like eric holder. if the president is seen cashiering him under republican pressure, there will be an uproar the president doesn't want to have to handle. >> an uproar. it would be a uproar that would be somewhat inconsistent with
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the president's approval ratings whh in the st recent gallup poll are at 50%. monica, your thoughts? time for people to pay actual ng tention to scandals and enough to start assigning blame. usually the american public is very reticent about assigning blame to a president. it took months for the watergate scandal to gain traction, months for the clion scandals to gain trtion. so we're still in the early days of this. the president is in a unique position as the first black president. 's very insulated by this press and continues to be, lou, so it may be awhile before this starts flicking on to him but it will. trust me. >> chris, you get the last word here. >> i think there's a lot of truth in that but i would say this, that the president has strategy here. it's to go slow, drag his et, get in the bunker, stay in the buer, ride this out. whether that works for his fellow democrats who have to run for re-election, i don't know. >> thank you. thank you, chris. moni, thank you. hackers stealg u.s.
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military secrets as defense hawks try to push the united states into conflict in syria. national securityexperts k.t. mcfarlandnd general jack keen
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turning to the syrian conflict, an arms race may be brewing as the united states and russia try to bring the assad regime and opposition leaders togeer for peace talks. joining us now, former pentagon official, fox national security analyst, k.t. mcfarland, general jack keene, retired fr sta army neral, former army chief of staff. he's also a fox news military analyst. and it is great to have you both with us tonight. k.t., let m start first, the spectacle, if you will, of the
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senior senator from arizona ing to syria to talk about arming the rebels. your reaction. >> we do not belong in the ddle of somebody else's civil war. it is a great tragedy but before yotalk about arming anybody, what the objective, how are you going to achieve that objective. this is not going to be sothing at's ea or quick, and i think the story you had when you opened this broadcast, chinese hackers, that's where we ought to be paying attention to. syria's importan but the chinese stealing trilons of dollars of american intellectual capital and defense capabilities is to me a fa more serious problem. >> then i'm confirmed in our lead. >> you indeed aae. >> tha you so much. general, your thoughts on syria as well. >> i completely disagree. if we never want to be involved in anybody's civil war, we wou never ever back any insurgencies or try to counterinsurgencies and we've done both of those. i think largely for pretty good reasons. the fact of the matter is no less than secretary of state clinton and director of the cia
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petraeus both believe that it's possible to arm the rebels and still achieve some outcome. i don't believe it could be decisive w, because time is on the side of assad, and he clearly is on the move. and frankly, i believe this administration and others are paralyzed by the fear of adverse consequence. therefore, the situation's hopeless and there's nothing we can do about it. quite frankly, we can do something about it and i also would take down assad's airfields and take down lots of his missile systems. i wouldn't establish the nofly zone yet. i don't ink you need to do that. but what the tipping point here militarily which would turn the tide if we want assad to go would betop his air power from flying. once that appens, emomentum will shift rather quickly. doesn't mean we know what the political outcome is goi to be. we don't. that's reality of it. we do know what we get if assad stays in power.
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>> the syrian rebels, setting a 24 hour deadline for hezbollah to withdraw from its support of sad, is there a possibility that that deadline would be met? >> no. >> what is the u.s. interest? >> no. look, syria i now like the bar scene in a "star wars" movie. every bad guy in theniverse is there. there are er 1,000 rebel groups, the predominant ones, the most powerful ones are tied to al qaeda, they are al qaeda affiliates. any threat that anybody's making right now is not goi to happen. i think these guys are in it to fight to the finish. if i could just say, related to general keene, i respect greatly what you have to say but when you say you don't know what the political outcome is, haven't we just seen in syria, you knock off a dictator and what do you have in his place, chaos. you see it in egypt, pull the rug oufrom another dictator and what happens, economic and political chaos. i'not surethat this is a situation where we want to go in yet again and roll the dice and hope that well, maybe it will be better than what we have.
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assad is a murderous thug. heill rot in hell. but the thought that we're going to now get involved in ather war in the middle east where we don't know what the political outcome is i think that's short-sighted. >> i'm going to turn if i may very quickly to the issue you raise. i want to understand why now. we have known that the chinese are carrying on with their front companies and cyberattacks assaults on u.s. intellectual capital, whether it is under the contl of our military or whether it's under the control of the private sector. for literally two decades. why now, why is this information leaked, released, how did suddenly the "washington post" get its hands on this and to whatend, what purpose of this administration? >> i think it's reaching critical mass. it's now to the int where every one of our major weapons systems has been hacked. in the case of the f-35 fighter, they fnd out, they hacked into it, got the information. ey put one out on the assembly line and on the tarmac before we could. so i think you're seeing a lot more of it ain because it's
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reaching critical mass. >> general, you get the last word here. your thoughts on that issue? >> well, i think we got to take the gloves off here with china. the private security company that exposed this a number of weeks ago cou have exposed 20 different attacks. they actually had the pictures of the people who were doing it. that's how much we know. that's a private security company. listen, we know what the chese are doing. we steal their intelligence, they steal our technology and intelligence. we have got to expose them for what they're doing and we're unwilling to dthat, quite frankly, and until this administration is willing to do that, they're going to keep on coming the fact of the matter is they do not want public exposure. they believehey have deniability because of cyber, you don't know who the hackers are. put it out publicly who the hackers are. at least tell the chinese, look, we're going to totally expose u unlessou change your behavior and here's what we can give to the world public at large if you don't curb your behavior. i think then we finally start to
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make some progress with these guys. >> general, thank you very much. k.t., thank you very much. it's been called a threat to the entire world. a deadly sperbug that has no known origin, no known cure, and kills at an alarming re. dr. mark siegel with the chilling details about the novel coronavirus. ♪ (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite posbilities.
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deadly new threat that has world health officials on high alert. the world health organization today confirmed five more cases of middle east respiratory syndrome. a corona virus, according to the world healthorganization, the sars-like virus is a quote threat to the entire world. 27 of the 49 confirmed cases have resulted in death joining us now to gve us perspective and understanding on this deadly virus, fox news
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dil contributor, dr. mark siegel. and doctor, i have to say, i have never heard of a virus that has better than a 50% death rate. this is stunning stuff. what is happening here? >> well, let me wal you through this. >> that's why you're here. >> it's certainly something we need to take seriously, any time a new virus emerges and we don't know what the scope of it's going to be. we don't owwand you're right, the initial virus looks like it has a high death rate among the cases. but here's the problem. first of all, that dr. margaret chan is not very shy when she says thrt to the entire world. she said this before. >> dr. margaret chan, director of the world health organization. >> she said it wit bird flu, cod kill up to 90million, she said. she said it with swine flu. she says it every ti there's an emerging virus. >> she's an alarmist. >> she did it with sars. now, sars, here's something very
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teresting. sars in 2003 infected 7,000 people and killed about 700. when it first emerged, sars, it was aut a 50% death rat and everyone panicked, it's ing to kill the entire world. the city of toronto wa cordoned off literally andsia spent $30 billion keeping peoplerom traveling and sequestering people and you know what? that's the real story about sars. it's the fear, it's the panic. so now i see on tv everybody saying this could be another sars, and i'm thinking well, but sars wasn't as bad as people said. why am i talking about sars. it's the same kind of vis, a corona virus. guess what else is a corona virus? the common cold. the mmon cold which doesn't kill anybody. >> when i lookt the symptoms of this virus, talking about a cold or flu-like symptoms, coughing, i think my god, how many illnesses have those as symptoms. it's going to be awfully hard to entify. i think to myself wait a minute,
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wait a minut t world health organization is telling us that there are 49 cases. this is pretty good, because we're a planet of over seven billion people and they've come down with 49 folks, they know how many of them have died, this doesn't sound right to me. what's going on? >> exactly right, what you just said. what's going on n is it's too early to say anything like what she's saying because we don't even know what something called the attack rate is. in other words, for every person that gets one of these things, how many other people get it, and until we see it actually spreading llke that, we can't assume it will. most of these new viruses don't stay as deadly as they spread, they peter out. either they don't affect a lot of people -- >> that's some solace -- >> no, it should be. because again, eve year, there's onofhese and the real virus ere is fear. i'm not saying, i'm not diissing this virus. it needs to well studied but you know what, we have the scntists to study these things right now but we need mixed message re.
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weeed a message of information, wre looking into it, we're studying it, we're figuring out the dna, we're even publishing the dna on the web but it is not clear that this is going to end up being a worldwide scourge. the chances are way against it becoming a major problem. >> when i think of the idea of panic, whether it be globally or otherwise, what in the world can one do if oneedid panic, the fact of the matter is we're dealing with science here. science i now identifying, medicalciences identifying this virus and what i am curious about is now the reporting that's suggesting that this is at an abnormally high rate mutating to the point that it is absolutely resistant to antivirals. kind of put that inontext for us, if you would. >> oka firsof all, everyone loves the word mutating because it's a ar word, anotherear word. all virusesre muting all the time. >> we can call it change. >> no, i'm not saying -- you
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described that accurately, again, but the problem is most of them mutate or chan in ways th make them less harmful, not more harmful so i don't assume that because all of these viruses are changingll the time they're going to become more harmful. in terms of treatments, antivirals don't work against these corona viruses. if they did, we wod have a cure for the common cold which is a corona virus. we don't have vaccines or treatments against them but most of the ti, they don't spread like wildfire and become a threat. i think it's worth watchin thi virus and worth studying it. i don't see a vaccine coming against it because we don't have a vaccine against the common cold. >> thas a wonderful point. all of your points are wonderful and terrific, as always. dr. mark siegel, we know what yourotivation is and that's the truth an reality and sharing as bestyou can your knowledge of medical science. wouldn't it be nice to be that smart? i would like to be tt smart. >> you're pretty smart, lou. >> dr.ark siegel, thanks for being here.
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see you around. yeah. ♪ i'll help you carry on... ♪ the house judiciary committee investigating whether attorney general eric holder lied under oh earlier this month. at issue, holder's claim about whether he knew about prosecuting reporters under the espionage act. >> with regard to the potential prosecutn of the press for the sclosu of material,t is not something that i have ever been involved in, heard of, or would think would be a wise policy. >> well, we now know it was the attorney general who personally approved the search warrant concerning fox news' james rosen. joining us now, rmer prosecutor leis weil, arthur
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idella, both fox news gal analysts. it looks to me like the attorney general lied >> i thinkthat's plai and simple, he absolutely did. he said he didn't have any knowledge of it but yousee the search warrant was signed off. he was given wrong information, that's the only reason he signed off on that warrant for rosen's e-mail addresses and he signed off on it, went to the very highest level. now he's saying he didn't know about it? arthur, good luck defending that one. >> excuse me. >> i'm just saying. >> talk about coming out of your corner. >> isn't this your former agency? aren't you a former united stes attorney? ah-ha! >> i never signed off on that. >> that looks like a straight-out open and shut ase. >> i've had clients who get threatened to go to jail for a lot less than that. a lot less than that. martha stewart went to jail for basically the sa exact thing and she's a layperson. he is not only an attorney. he's the attorney general.
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he is supposed to beprepared. there's no excuses for him to have a lapse in judgment. >> this guy said i don't know in one form or anoer 57 times. >> right. >> good lord. >> either you signed off on it or you did not. he signed off on it. >> your frmer agcy is supposed to prevent people from lying, went in front of the most prestigious panel and lied. >> thank you. you agree with me then. >> i agree that your former employer messed up and should be punished, the same way you alwaysant my clients to be punished. >> there is agreement, then. >> yes. there is agreement. >> let's proceed to -- we got a lot on the docket here. >> lou, you know what's interesting. >> i know about dockets. >> there's the fox issue tat has pushed the whole associated press subpoe like under the table. meanwhil that's a whole other issue in and of itself. >> the associated press hpened a week before we heard about
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rosen. that was already there. this is now the second time, maybe the third because of a c reporter as well. >> we don't know how much experience tha this attorney general has in, one,oing after the press because this -- these court documents were sealed for a year and a half longer than they wersupposed to be. >> right. >> t judge, by the y, apologized for that. >> yes. th's why i said the judgee got d information, got false information. you're calling a correspondent a criminal. i mean -- >> to be fair to the judge, what he had in front of him was this affivit that holder -- >> who signed that affidavit? who signed that affidavit? the u.s. attorney? >> no, fbi agent. >> a the fbi agent. both, correct? >> right. correct. >> the attorney brings it to the judge. there were many u.s. attorneys now former saying thisshould have never happened, it never would have gotten through the layers before it even got to the u.s. attorney. >> younow why, you had a bunch of true belvers in the room,
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okay? >> i don't know what the believing is. at's the issue. >> they didn't believe in the constitution of thenited states. they sure as hell didn't believe in that, did th? >> well, what -- >> maybe i should call them true disbelievers. what do you think? >> to think that they didn't realize as they sat in their cloistered room and brought this to the judg i'm not blaming the judge completely because he got bad information, that they wouldn't get caught. talk about martha stewart. you don'think ou're going to get caughh for something like that? are you kidding me? you're talking about fox news. >> let's back off here just a bit, too. when i said true believers, i mean true believers in a political sense. the reason i think we got a pretty good case for that is the attoey general had to shop this deal around loking for that judge. so i don't think there's much wiggle room even for these folks who make a living out of wiggling. >> the term that's used in the law is chilling effect. >> chiing effect.
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>> you're notuppose to create a chilling efft for the media to do their j. james rosen to pick up the phone and callho he needso call to do his job. >> it's not just james ros or fox news. it's a.p., cbs, everybody, everything. to tell a reporter if you do your job, we're going to come after yoancall you a co-conspirator. >> the reason cbs is because of sheryl atkins. we've got to take them at their word, the justice department said they didn't do it. no, i don't think they have to take them at their wordin anything. that's a huge problem for this country. this administration is responsible for, i mean, such a disgusting lack of credibility. accountability. there needs to be integrity. the way, do you think i'll get an invitation -- >> i don't think you'll be hanging out there any time soon.
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a brand n book tells the tale of louisa and john quincy ads' mission to russia that makes the war of 1812 the centerpiece andelevant to today's global dynamics, of course. joining us now is presidential historian, author of the compelling new book "american phoenix" jane hampton cook. great to have you with us. we recommend the book highly and commend it to you. it's doing great. let me ask you this. what brought your focus to this mission and the war of 1812? i have to be honest with you, i
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love the stories of the 1812, andrew jackson and the battle of new orleans. what bught you to it? >> well, i was really fascinated with the story of louisa adams, she was such a strong woman back during the jan austen era. i became intrigued with john quincy adams because heas down on his luck. he lost the job of his dreams and had to go to russia of all places, yet he uses that opportunity, makes t most of it, and it really resurrects his politicaservice career and it puts him on track to be president. i was drawn to their stories. >> as a presideial historian, you're talking aut one of the great presidents. you're talking about one othe pivotal moments in american histy. whenou look at what is happening right now in washington, d.c. with this president, this congress, this senate, gi us your comparison, your thoughts, your emotions on
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the contrast. >> well, what strik me about today is how heavy laden that thureaucracy is. everybody is hing bend the person above them or below them. there's a bureaucracy. when john quincy adams was a diplomat to russia, he communicated directly with the president of the united states through letters, and dirtly through letters to the secretary of state. we've lost a lot of that. i ink that's the difference. communication was very slow, it would take weeks for letters to go by ship, but it's instant today, yet the bureaucracy really does seem to weigh down and you know, just cover all what we're seeing now. that's what they're trying to do is break through thatt bureaucratic stronghold. >> it is astronghold, it is also a stronghold, iyou will, a fortress now which, well, is encircled with a stone wall whether it be the obama irs scandal, whether it be the
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justice department fast and furious scandal, the associated press, the james rosen and fox news scandal, whether it b bengha. i mean, the list goes on and on, and all of it is coming back to onman, the presisident of the united states. he's going to be judged by the character that is revealed in his response to these scandals and this crisis for him, don't you think? >> yes, he is. and there was a moment during the war of 1812 where james mason was under scrutiny for an appointment he made. he made his treasury secretary an ambassador as well and you can't do that. what did they do? they got together and lked about it and they didn't fully work it out but they at let communicated. the members congress and present madison. it's just a hugely different ball game. but character does matter, no matter the generation. it mattered highlyto john quincy adams in 1812 and it certainly matters today. >> that mission to russia, you point out, determinative of
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a new republic. >> that's right. we needed russia to put pressure on england to lave us alone once and for a. that's exact wt happened. >> the book is "american phoenix." the author, jane ampton cook. we recommend it to you hhly. it's available online, at bookstores now. go to iyou want links to the book. president oma heading to his hometownf chago, trying to put all of his scandals behind him for at least a day or so. but we'll talk to the a-tm abt whether he's about to lose his attorney general.
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joining me now the a-team, former clintsen advisor fox news
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contritor doug shone. fox news contributor eric ericson an x n neww ntributor juan williams. great to have you all here. let me start if i may with attorney general holder. he is now going to talk with the distinguished buru chiefs of prin and broadcast organizations in washington to talk about how to better serve subpoenas on them and spy on them and get eir records. how is that going to be a sweet bouquet and kiss to the national media that has been offended? >> well, at best it will be a wet kiss but i think it will be no kiss at all. i think frankly the attorney general halost much,f not all, of his credibility. i don't think given whathe justice department has done, 'll be -- seen too receptively. >> would you advise the president to get rid of him? >> i think he has t siously consider it, because his credibility given his testimony, i'm not sure it rises to t
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vel of perjury but there's certainly an operative question that raises the issue of a special prosecutor. >> juan williams, you've watched holder's testimony. let me ask you first, did he lie? >> no, i don't think so. i think he was talking specifically about publishing national security information and he was not party to any such discussion. he wasn't even technically party to the thought that you would prosecute james rosen. it was that he made a terrible error in listing james as a co-conspirator but no, he didn't lie about that to the house. >> eric, do you concur wit our colleague? >> well, i'm not so sure, given his statement pretty definitive that he did't play a rolen any of these inveigations, didn't sign off on them and now we know he did gnff on them. to his credit, i'llay attorney general s have a lot of paper shoved in their face and signed, not necessarily knowing wh it is, but he did sign it. it was his call.
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we kw he'soncerned given the media push-back the last few days but fawning stories about public ige isn't what he s really believes. he did it. >> did he ever. let meeturn to the internal revenue service. four committees now are pursuing e internal revenue service. it turns out, doug, that we've been lied toagain. >> well, that to me, lou, is fairly clear. the story that we were fir told about a limited investation coming out of cincinnati by some low lelevel employees is just plain false. we're learning of higher level involvement in washington, the treasury bing informed earlier than the administration had indicated -- >> oy by a year. only by a year. >> at's a year among friends. >> and only rising to the level of a deputy treasury secretary. is there any excuse for this level of -- i don'tnow what you want to call it.
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misrepresentation. we don't want to call it lies. i know you folks d't use that expression in washington. but this is an administration in the grip of an inability to find truth in their testimony before congress. >> well, i think there's a lot of, you know, hoo do you say it politely, i know we're on the great dobbs show so cover your something, derriere or something. >> we're all aut the french. >> i think that everybody's in that mode, because you've seen people now, you know, forced out and lois lerner is concerned about her fifth amendment rights and refusing to testify and she's been called a liar. this point, everybody is
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i want to do something i don't usually do. i want to turn to a study and the pew research showing that women have become the breadwinners in this country and a lot of other concerning a troubling statistics. but our society is being torn in so many directions ght now. thisstuff is really at the main when you watch the republicans and the democrats, this president, his scandals, and the appropriate investigation by the republicans. when we're watching society dissolve aund us, juan, what do you think? >> lou, iust tink this shod
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be in lar letters on the front page of every newspar in america. what we're seeing with four out of ten families now,he woman is the primary breadwinner, you' seeing the disintegration of marriage, you're seeingen who were hard hit by the economic recession in ways that women weren't, but you're seeing i think systemically larger than the political stories that we llow every day, something going terribly wrong in american society and it's hurting our children. and it's going to have impact for generations to come. left, right, i don't see how you can argue this. >> y mention chi those are the children who surviv 54 million abortions sieroe v wade. 54 million in this country. what has been the impact of that? at does it say about our society, our high schl dropouts. eric, your thoughts on th study and what itportends. >> i'm so used to liberals telling conservatives that they're anti-science but this is
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liberals who defend this and say it's not a bad thing are very anti-science, wh you look at biology, look at the nural world, the roles of a male and a female in society and other animals, that the male typically is the dominant role, the female is n antithesis or not competing, it's a complemenry role. we as people in a smart society ve lost the ability to have complementary relationships nuclear families and it's tearing us apart. what i find interesting in the survey is that three-quters of the people surveyed recognize that having mom as the primary breadwinner is bad for kids and bad for marriage a reality shows us that's e trut >> poltcians won't say it. that's what bothers me, eric. you know what, they are so scared, they are so much aunch of, you know, but they won't admit -- >> it's a war on women >> i got to tel you it's tearing apart minorityy communities even worse than white communities in this country. >> yeah, look, i think i would associate myself coletely with what jua is saying.
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i wrote abioaphy once of daniel patrick moynihan. this is a catastrophic issue ann sadly, no one on the left, right or center is dealing with the breakdown of family structure. we're losing a generation. bottom line,it could undermine our social order. >> and it may in ct be dng that. as we look at the absolut disaster that is our public education system and the fictions that have gwn up around what we've done to local schools. i mean, we've got a department of education which is no, no replacement or substitute or even adequate, frankly, complement to local school stricts having control of if it hits a community, until we get this throug our head, if it
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hits any community in this country, it's our community. and this is not somethinthat , in my opinion, datable. we are playing cannon fodder to the rhetoricians that wt to use the language of race and division and we really ought to tell them to go to hell. we ought to say it fit and foremost right here in the national media. >> the people that want school choice and benit fm school choice the most are poor afrin-americans and hispanics. >> we're not talking about school choice. >> you werealking about education. >> i'm talki about education and i don't want to hear the partisan words. n't want to hear the idealogical noense. >> let's talk about teaching our kids how to read, to write, express themselves, and to build relationships. eric, you'll get the last word here. >> you know, it becomomes more difficult for republicans these days because they're so scared of the idea of the war on women and raising this issue it sounds anti-womenthe democrats bash them for it. but then to the basic point,
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we've got a society of elites that not only don't thinkthis is a b thing, they're raisi kids in schools to be workers, not citizens. >> well said. gentlemen, tha you. ♪ >> now a paid presentation for meaningful beauty vaed by cindy crawford. >> with special appearances >> devalerie bertinelli. >> christa miller. tv's royal painsm and the mentalist. >> hosted by network tv correspondent katrina szish. >> brought to you by guthy-renker. >> hi, everyone, i'm beauty and style journalist katrina szish on location in beverly hills. in just a few minutes we'll meet one of the most beautiful women in the world, supermodel cdy crawfor at age 45, cindy still looks impossibly young and gorgeous. >> oh, my god, she's just stunning. her skin is just amazing, and so i feel like now i have a chance.


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