he previously made tightrope walks between the grand canyon. niagara falls. thanks for joining us. "making money" with charles payne is next. ♪ charles: breaking news, the national guard continues to enforce a 10:00 p.m. curfew in baltimore, you can see right now crowds are beginning to swell there. in fact, police expect more. this crowd is interesting. extraordinarily organized. a lot of signs. a lot of different types of people. not just black youths. in fact, look at them. they're marching in unison like a military column. no doubt this is organized. you have to wonder, as we approach that deadline. as we approach that curfew if this can get out of hand. this is a different sort of protest we've seen over the past couple of days. perfect unison. a lot of signs. a lot of different types of people. there are protesters gathered here in new york city as well.

those protesters tonight are organized by millions march. this is it in new york city. same sort of thing. a lot of signs. different kind of people. well-organized. financial backing behind this. i think the idea behind both of these will be to erase the stain that we've had over the last couple of days with the really ugly and violent scenes that have come out of baltimore. welcome to the show, everyone. i'm charles payne. joined here by the panel. david nelson is back with us. clint. scottie nell hughes. matt mccaul. founder of penn financials. and hilary kramer. let's talk about this. because the last couple of days were really tough, particularly monday. i'm not surprised this is happening. i think whoever is behind all this -- and when i say behind all of it, there's been a certain element that you can connect the dots to people like george soros, they will come back here in new york

city when we had those protests not too long ago, i saw their organization. i looked out the window. i saw when the police were barricading where everyone had a phone. they turned in unison almost as if they had legitimate marching orders. the signs were beautiful. they were well-made. they weren't homemade. this is the beginning, in my mind, of organized protests with a lot of different types of people. young, old, black, white, to sort of erase the stain. because whoever -- listen, we know that this is about a young man who died under very questionable circumstances. and we know that the looting does not represent -- it represents something totally different. so it's not -- it's not surprising that this would be happening. how worried should we be? is the government going to speak? governor larry hogan speaking right now. let's take a listen. >> and by the number of people that were out helping in the community. we then went to maryland

emergency management agency, we held a cabinet meeting to ensure that every single state agency was trying to provide as much assistance and resources as they possibly could to this situation here in baltimore and to helping people who were most in need. every single state agency is fully focused on this crisis and they're providing a number of necessary services. and a lot of help that's very much needed in a city. let me just also say that the maryland emergency management agency is doing a fantastic job of helping to coordinate all of our critical resources. state, city, and allied police, along with the national guard are working effectively together to ensure that baltimore's streets are safe. today, children were back in school in baltimore. people were back at

work. and city residents were cleaning up after monday night's disturbances. but we're not out of the woods yet. the state continues to utilize law enforcement assets from every corner of the state and from other states, including pennsylvania, new jersey, and the district of columbia, who have all dedicated law enforcement officers to our efforts. i want to thank colonel palazi for his efforts in leading this combined force. we have in place approximately 2,000 members of the maryland national guard, and over 1,000 state troopers and other allied law enforcement officers. including officers from montgomery. howard. prince georgia. harper county. as well as many others. this combined force will not tolerate the violence or looting which has led to the

destruction of property and put innocent marylanders at risk. there are some peaceful protests happening tonight, and we want to make sure that individuals can exercise their first amendment rights and express their legitimate concerns. but we also want to stress and remind everyone that there is a 10:00 p.m. curfew in place in the city. and i urge everyone in baltimore to get off the streets tonight at 10 o'clock. when the streets are clear, police and national guard can do their jobs. and the vast majority of people in the city are being extremely helpful and cooperative. people are picking up bags and brooms and cleaning up. parents are keeping kids at home and off the streets. and community leaders who have been so helpful to us in keeping the peace and urging people to protest in a peaceful, nonviolent way

have been urging people to head home before the curfew. across maryland, we're seeing the work of people who are urging another quiet night like we had last night. the governor's office of community initiatives and the governor's office of service and volunteerism organized 2600 volunteers. people from all across maryland, who love the city of baltimore and wanted to pitch in and help. we've launched marylandunites.com where people can get information on state services and how they can volunteer and contribute and donate to various charities that are helping in the effort. we're all working together, and we will continue to be here until the threat of violence ends. our primary mission is to maintain order and to begin to repair the damage inflicted by the violence and looting from earlier in the week.

baltimore families deserve peace and safety in their community, and we are working together very hard to ensure that. at this point, i'm going to turn the podium over to general singh and colonel palazi who will provide the specifics on actions today. we will be glad to take your questions. general. >> thanks. >> thank you, governor. first, i would like to say, i'm just getting back in from actually talking to a number of the support that we have out there. and that not only includes my soldiers that are out there. my airmen that are out there. but all the folks from the state police. all the folks from baltimore city. all the folks from all of the other jurisdictions in other states that have provided support. and i'm going to tell you something: they are not only high-speed, they're what i call [foreign language]. in army terms, that means they're ready to

stand tall, shoulder by shoulder, to ensure that we are taking care of our city. and so when i think about the force that is at work here and what colonel palazi and, you know, the baltimore city team has put together and how they've moved out with us in support, this needs to be a model that we continue to work on and refine for every other exercise that we need to do for every other mission that we need to do. because the cooperation and the support that i am seeing here, that's the cooperation and support that we need in the community, within the folks -- that's the patience that we need from the communities so that we can get through this, get back to business, and take care of the challenges that we need to bring to the table for a discussion. i just hope that we remember that trying to

change culture, trying to change habits, does not happen overnight. it's not going to be solved overnight. we have absolutely a lot more work that we need to do. and i'm asking you to be patient. protest peacefully. go to sleep at 10 o'clock. because i'd really like to go to sleep at 10 o'clock tonight. and let's get on with business. (sound effect). >> thank you, colonel. colonel palazi. >> governor, lieutenant governor. first of all, we have come together united, working together from not just the state of maryland. the state of new jersey. troopers are here. huge resources they brought in last evening. metropolitan police department brought in resources as well. the resources of the national guard. charles: we're watching the press conference. we heard from governor larry hogan then from general singh of the national guard. both really smart,

concise comments. i want to let you know. we have mike baker, former cia operative. i want to start with you. i want to go back to governor larry hogan. two things he said interesting. first and foremost, quote, we're not out of the woods yet. thethen he talked about this 10:00 p.m. curfew. we urge everyone to get out of the streets. he said it in a way, like if you're not off the streets at 10:00 p.m. tonight, there won't be any playing games. you'll be in trouble. >> that's exactly right. look, criminal behavior is criminal behavior. if you instill a curfew because you're trying to stop those individuals who are engaged in criminal behavior and not, you know, legitimate meaningful protests, then, you know, the problem that you have at that point -- of course, it will sound threatening. it's supposed to in a sense sound threatening. it's supposed to sound as if it's coming from a position of authority.

they're doing what is necessary and they're doing what it is right. you know, what will happen is those professional agitators, whether you want to call them that or anarchists or whatever. those individuals who are seeking to extend the violent aspects of this, they will try to use, you know, the comments from the governor and from the national guard and elsewhere, try to say, look, look, they're disrespecting you even further. they're not giving you the freedom to say your piece. and so we have to expect that. that's why the governor says, we're not out of the woods yet. you have that one element that wants nothing more -- as long as those cameras are on. wants nothing more than to extend this. charles: last night, mike, we saw concerned citizens take it upon themselves to form walls between protesters and police. there's no doubt there are a lot of people within that community that don't want to see a repeat of what happened on monday. and today, what we're looking at right now, it looks extraordinarily

organized. and it looks like these aren't people out for trouble, but to make some sort of a statement. could they actually be the ones that save the day, if indeed those people who are out there purely to start trouble make their moves. would it be incumbent upon those peaceful protesters to sort of stop them rather than having a physical altercation with law enforcement? >> oh, absolutely. in a major, major way. much more so, that's what you hope for. more than having to extend the curfew or put more law enforcement on the street. it's the individual. it's the community. we're already seeing that. as you pointed out, the efforts of all when citizens to step forward and say, we won't put up with this. the violent aspects are taking away from our legitimate message and legitimate concern. the fact that the community leaders have been out and trying to influence everyone to do this in a peaceful manner, the fact that parents are working to try to obey the curfew.

that's all important. charles: we'll let you go for now. you've done amazing work. we appreciate it. all right, scottie, general singh said something i found interesting. she talked about changing cultures and changing habits. it felt like she was talking to potential rock throwers and looters. hey, this has always been the script we've used. let's try peaceful protest. this way we can get together and maybe have a dialogue that ultimately changes things. if you don't change your culture and habits, the guys behind me will have to knock heads. >> this is what the conversation should have been like from the beginning. if we had that type of language, those type of words being shown starting friday and saturday, we might not have seen the looting that we would have done at the very beginning. i want to give her a lot of -- she has been amazing. if i have a secretary of defense, i want it to be her. from the very beginning, she has not passed blame. she said heres a

solution. between the governor -- the two of them. these people in the streets. i respect what they're doing. those are patriots right there. charles: remember, we're toggling back and forth between baltimore, new york city, organized protests in both towns. people obviously nervous. we'll take a break and come back with more experts and our panel in just a few moments.

♪ charles: breaking news. we're monitoring the situation of baltimore as it develops. and we have fox news lilan on the streets right now. >> charles, if yesterday was overwhelming force. today they've added overwhelming friendliness. still ground zero where police and riot gear were out yesterday, we have the national guard here to keep order. they haven't done much so far today. you can see another

humvee out here. they may have riot training here. these guys are keeping the static positions. what's interesting, you see that line of police officers. this may be one now of the safest blocks in all of baltimore. folks are back out on the blocks. police are not in riot and tactical gear. one officer say they're preparing for the worst, but praying for the best. all the tactical gear vehicles and riot gear if things go south. school let out three hours or so ago. it's getting cooler. the sun is setting. what happens at sunset? ninety minutes from now. the next big test is curfew. 10:00 p.m. charles. last night, we only had seven curfew-related arrests. not that big a deal. baltimore police make more than 100 arrests

every single day. not a big day. if what a calm night and calm day turn into another calm day. you can string those together and make it a peaceful community, charles. charles: be safe. right now, joining us, david. former dea agent. ceo of global security group. (?) you heard lilan describe the scene right now as maybe a complete turnaround or 180 with overwhelming friendliness. we heard statements from the governor and national guard. while they're firm, it feels like an olive branch approach being taken. will that be enough to maybe make tonight a much more peaceful, orderly protest? >> that's the key question, isn't it? the community came out. and it was an incredible sight, seeing more responsible citizens standing with the police, actually

protecting police lines saying we won't tolerate this. parents -- you see the video of the mother disciplining her recalcitrant teenage boy. maybe more of that is going on. i think a kinder approach can't hurt, as long as they remain prepared to quickly respond to any acts of violence. and that's the key to get these things under control early before they spiral out of control. >> here's the thing, david, we've seen now the -- the commentary from the powers that be, from the mayor, from the governor, from the -- from the national guard. and, of course, yesterday from president obama, and they really seem to -- they're trying to find a range, it seems to me, to not necessarily appease the crowd. obviously they have legitimate grievance. the death of a 24-year-old unarmed man. in a city with a lot of racial animosity for a long time. is there some sort of

magic middle ground where you don't necessarily want to appease, and you don't want to encourage what people claim the mayor did on saturday, but do you think they may have found that sort of language that they can speak to all the people there, particularly the most angry, and get them to put down the bricks and sort of take a different tact? >> there's always that -- the thing that strikes me, a lot of this could have been curtailed very early on had the mayor's office, had the police commissioner come out with a little more information as to -- as to what steps are being taken to get to the bottom of what happened with freddie gray. you're exactly correct. there is a legitimate grievance. people have the right, and i think the constitutional duty to make their voices heard. you don't have any constitutional right to loot, to throw rocks, to harm. people are being hurt. having their livelihood destroyed. many neighborhoods won't be the same again for

many, many years. that's where you draw the line. i think they're kind of finding a right balance. and i think for the most part, it's the community that's really stepping forward that's making this happen. charles: david katz, we really appreciate it. those are the live pictures in baltimore. again, the crowds -- large swelling crowds. signs. it feels like it's orderly. doesn't feel threatening. obviously as it gets larger and darker, we are concerned. we'll keep on this. we'll take a short break and we'll be right back.

charles: breaking news. live scenes out of baltimore, crowd swelling, they are getting larger as protests there continue.

in aftermath of death of freddie gray, the 25-year-old unarmed black man, a lot of unresolved questions still remain. talk about baltimore. we should know, median household income $41,000, versus the state where it $73. city of baltimore 24% poverty rate, where it less than 10% for the state. we hear about dangers of income inequality, is this how it is personified. >> i want positiony back on -- piggyback on your numbers for a moment, in the area, 1 in 3 homes are have can't. -- vacant, and a study after 1992, l.a. riots 10 years after,

they lost billion in taxable sales, this is going to push business owners out of the neighborhood. the city, we saw the same thing in l.a. a lot of white people loved out of the area, into the suburbs. charles: you know hillary, the kids are let out of school early, president talked about what we as a country -- he talked about different systems. baltimore has one of the highest, i think top 5, as much money spent per pupil. when you see things like that, you question, you know, you keep throwing money at it, what else is going on that is wrong? >> well, in baltimore, every student 17,000 is spent per year, for educating a student in

baltimore, there are no school vouchers, there is no success academy, we need charter schools, when we look at what really happened monday night. it was about the youth of baltimore. that was angry, they were letting out an aggression they have been so let down by the sim. charles: the numbers that matt spotted out 50% are same as that under pinning of the arab spring. we have rich edson on the ground live in baltimore, at a peaceful protest. tell us how it feels right now. >> reporter: as we've been seeing, at least last day, this is a peaceful protest, this is ongoing just right next to me. massive youth rally. what we've seen, are smaller rallies, people calling for peace it was a response to the violence and rioting of this

week. what started yesterday morning was peaceful protests, calling for peace, saying we're here to protest what they say is a legitimate issue when it comes to polices community in baltimore. it feels like violence from this week, crowded that out. last night we heard some reports of rock throwing. there were isolated and police said they got everyone off of the street about an hour after that 10 p.m. curfew. charles: thank you, rich. i want to switch back to new york. remember we saw whole lot of protests, and a lot of different places as ferguson was in midst of its turmoil. the same thing. there is a protest building up -- this is new york city. you can see black lives matter poster. we'll see this in all major cities. organized and well funded.

for the most part these starts of protests have been good, when they have gone to restaurants, and intimidating them they have done disservice. they also have done some on the job training. this leads to the political dit cusion that all lives matter. 15 police officers in baltimore who were injured this week so far trying to quell the violence, really they were handcuffs as they were allowed to maybe do the job more forcefully it might have been better. that was new york city: back to baltimore. the stage is set for some really explosive things. david nelson, you are with us, we were going to talk about the gdp number, it was asneakic and other -- anemic, and other things in the economy. we don't have an economy that is growing so amazingly.

typically the same tide lifts all shifts, maybe not at the same level. >> a lot of us are stock guys, we look at broad markets they have done well over last 5 years. but it has not necessarily translated to main street. charles: oh, those kids in baltimore they could not tell you if the dow was 18,000 or 8,000. >> could they even tell you what the dow is? >> that goes back to problem. so much of this is economic. it comes down to economic circumstances, and family. you know there is a family structure broken down in a lot of these neighborhoods. that is part of it. talk about the economy, booming economy here, large national companies that sounds great but when you are looking for a job in baltimore. charles: we have clint greenleaf with us, i want to talk to you as a small business owner, what you see from potential candidates, we see business --

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charles: breaking news, we're monitoring the situation in baltimore as it develops. we have a special guest on set juan williams could fox contributor, glad you could make it with us, that is a ray lewis video. >> no way. no way this can happen in our city. no, young kids -- you got to understand something, get off the streets.

violence is not the answer, violence has never been the answer. freddie gray, he -- we don't know nothing for him doing this. we know there is a deeper issue, we know what the jungle looks like. but this is not it. this is enough of us in this street trying too change what is going on. baltimore get off the streets! kids, go home! stay home! you don't have no right to do what you are doing to this city. too many hard working people built this city. charles: a lot of people saying that is response they have been looking for out of a well-known black person, particularly someone that these kids in baltimore can identify with, is it the right message? >> that is on target, this is a heartfelt message coming from someone wh cares deeply about baltimore, you say this is a --

ray lewis issue he had his own trouble. but think about it, why would you tear down your own community, today i saw a lady in baltimore crying she worked in the cvs that was set affair by the looter, these are not demonstrators these are criminals. when they destroy that, they took away her job. she is trying to support her family. that drives down real estate family, and retail business, it makes it impossible for a restaurant or a movie nighter to operate in that community, then people say they have no amenities in our area, this is self destructive. charles: i heard accountability. you heard president yesterday with his six-point solution. i fell he dissed the entire country.

saying a lot of american doses , that is a disservice to a lot of people waking up in the morning just wondering how they are going to play their own rent. and i did not hear him go afternoon the individual, saying that the onus is on you to change your life. >> you are right on that, he did not do that. i agree with you. -- they are not interested in idea that you know whatever happened to freddie gray we'll find out. that we'll find out on friday with the report, an investigation release. but i think people should have some concern about injustice where they see it in their lives and other lives, that is why america is america, we don't hide it, we don't say that government is okay when they are excessive in use of force, we speak to the government, we have that right to protest.

charles: martin luther king had several famous quotes on that line of thinking. clint, you are with us, you are a small business owner, what happens if someone comes to work for you and you have to reject them. are they that ill prepared? glu?>> unfortunately the educatn system has failed them. i am talking about people skills. i can teach them the other stuff. charles: they say what is biggest problem you have with potential employees, number one

was advance math, and number two was just getting to work on time, cordial an, cord -- punk , there are basic skills that are not taught for some reason. >> i think, let's get to the heart. a lot of family break down. absent fathers, there is nobody who said, get your butt, up, go to school, stay in cool, work hard, we all down but we get up, we had fathered who said ifo this, if you don't the first authority person you run into or your employer, you say why is he so hard of me? it takes you down a rat's home in terms of success, and we know you have to have the skills to climb the ladder up. you talked about the school. to me that is heart and soul,

why we don't have more school choice, why we're not putting more pressure on the unions in terms of improving quality we get for taxpayer dollar we invest in public schools is an outrage. >> are still a democrat. >> i am, but you know, what i am not engaged -- i am not stereo typing anyone, i am saying look, my wife and i -- we live in a predominately black city, washington, d.c., if you had my wife on your show, she would complain to but customer service, and you go to a better restaurant you don't see young black people as waiters and waitresses, why is that. i ask the owners, they say, you know it just what clint was talking about, attitude or feeling that someone might look down at them because they are in service industry. have you noticed how much good waiters make in fancy

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charles: breaking news, we continue to monitor situation in baltimore, as crowds get larger protests continue and they have moved on. protests in new york city, joining baltimore. we have juan williams who has joined us. here is new york million march nyc, today too also, there was a

major league baseball game, it was played in an empty stadium that is a perfect symbol for so many things that are wrong with our great nation. you know matt, you are sports guy. to think this is first ever baseball game that did not allow public viewing that spoke volumes. >> this is amazing baseball has been around for well over a century, all that has gone on in that is time frame, that something like this, would lead to this start. i did back the decision, i think it was just, a tinderbox for something that could happen. what happened this weekend, when people came out of the game, they kept them in that is the best move for the city at-this-point. but it is sad. >> it could have been the opportunity, i know it would have been hard to hustle. but for to everyone be there to be a packed stadium, and have a message, which is, we're not going do let anything stop our

city -- charles: a though it could have been microcros mike -- micro kos that sort of symbolic aspect. >> i wish they would have switched venues, let's play to visitor time, baseball has a lot of money involved a lot of vendors lost money that day. >> we have david katz with us, monday. when the league or team held the stadium -- fans inside. everyone understood. this calculated risk, was it a wise decision? do you think there would have been a possibility of clashes with potential protestors and viewers? >> it would be magnet to draw

violent protest, the potential. because that makes a flash point, all eyes on stadium, a massive pro lease and mead -- police and media present, if you were going to try something, you would pick that. if they did that, dud the mayor, would the mayor of baltimore, police commissioner had tort foo take the action necessary. police work is often not pretty, in a situation like, that nothing good would come out of it. charles: juan, john angelo's son is an executive with the team, he had no problems with the protesters. even violent but we should point ought, peter angelo is a famous trial lawyer who made a lot of his money from suing large corporations, a big bear market

of unions -- a big backer of unions, again, between john angelos what mayor said, and maybe to a lesser degree what president obama has been saying, some of the kids may be saying you know what ray lewis, other people are saying that i have a right to throw a brick, and burning down a cvs is just a building, but what happened to my life and future is less certain. >> i don't know that anyone is saying that. i think what we have, a lot of these kids are unruley, unschooled, literally and -- >> who is going to school them? >> that is what i'm saying, we have an absence of any kind of role model, i think -- >> who fills void. >> this is interesting, question will be, for people on the left, left police, you don't want police to be person doing

schooling that leads to court and jail. you need more social workers, mental health workers and job trainers, you know. i have a lot of doubts and questions if that delivers on the dollar when i see what happens in our schools in terms of social safety. by the way about baseball thing, it was orioles that said we don't top put our fans in this situation, a lot did not have do with stadium but people who come in, to your point from suburbs, to enjoy the day at the ballpark to bring their kids in police force would have had to use their resources. charles: irany is that camden wards is that -- that mall by the way two of the biggest economic projects that was seen that could rejuvenate the area. >> talk about going forward, you said it. this just meeting second clash of 2015, there was a punishment to the city for baseball game,

and economic destruction, maybe next time that we infortunately have one of these we will know to handle in a peaceful protest. charles: it was not a punishment to the kid who can't afford the ticket. >> but i think -- >> not to the kid us. >> will see, ray lewis in that community stand up immediately, do not riot, handle it this way,. charles: if ray office that treat monday he would have needed all of his equipment to am out alive. we're going to leave it there, live scenes of new york city and baltimore, protests going to in both cities, they're well organized. we believe and hope they will stay peaceful, we'll be back. this allergy season, will you be a sound sleeper, or a mouth breather. well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38% more

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charles: breaking news, you are looking live baltimore, and new york city, well organized large, swelling protests in both towns, backed by professional organizers, a mix of different nationalities, ages and races. we hope they all remain peaceful. in particular baltimore the national guard is south there. at least 2000 national guardsmen, 1,000 state troopers, 1,000 volunteers, the tea tryin- city trying to repair their image. juan we talked about government intervention. we were going to resolve poverty, and trillions of dollars, i have been in some of these programs, i never saw any of them that were run fortunately. a redistribution of money, i don't know that will be a solution, i don't think that government is solution. >> i think that government has role to play, in our society, you are right, what we have soon

here encourage private and personal responsibility. private enterprise, and go the education -- good education as a function of personal responsibility. charles: general singh talked about changes culture and habits, i am reading that to say we have to stop having so many kids and fathers have to be fathers. i will say it out loud. >> i have written it, to me, often times white people get typed in saying it but everyone has to say it. >> you are looking at live scenes right now baltimore, we'll be right back.

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charles: we've been monitoring situation in baltimore, baltimore and new york city crowds have gathered they are getting larger and larger, they swell with comments from governor of maryland, who said we're not out of the woods yet, and reiterated there would be no

tolerance of violence, 10 p.m. curfew strong and hard, and admits there are concerns, stay with us, we'll keep up with the protests, we leave you now with lou dobbs and more breaking news. lou: good evening, i am lou dobbs, baltimore mayor stephanie rawlings-blake denies she ordered her police deputy to stand down in face of violent riots, looting and arson. but now a senior law enforcement official in baltimore contradicts the mayor, and claims she gave a direct order to the police chief to give way to those rioters, we're joined by bishop ew jackson, and rich lowery taking off failure of leadership in baltimore but exam know a city that suffered almost 60 y