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we we can! indivi individuals succeed while government fails. that's our show. i'm john stossel. thanks for watching. lemonade for sale. stossel lemonade for sale. is everything illegal in america >> >> wait wait wait wait. i can't give it to you. i could get in trouble. >> we were just selling le >> i >> i go to the front door. there's about six or seven black vans, all with guns. enough to scare the crap out of >> the >> the police came after this grocery store. >> it seemed like they thought we had cocaine in the papayas or so >> how >> how are you going to tell me what i should and shouldn't eat? >> most americans support laws against prostitution. but what if it were legal? >> here it's safe. >> what if drugs were legal? one country has tried that. >> i think it's working.
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>> but not in america. here politicians keep passing more rules. every day i look over my shoulder, what are they going to find illegal tomorrow? >> uf have no idea what you're up against. >> this could happen to you. >> show me the man and i'll show you the crime. >> you think if you followed me around you'd find three fe >> th >> that's actually an underst in ame in america these days it's like everything is illegal. >> what's more american than opening a lemonade stand? would you like some lemonade? >> yes please. >> who's first? thank you very much. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> for years kids have set up stands like this. but today watch out. the police may bust you. >> i was like really scared because i didn't know what was going to happen. we were just selling lemonade in our front yard for about three days and the third day the police decided to shut us down. >> their mom heard the police y >> i >> i could hear them from inside my house yelling at them, girls,
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you have to shut the lemonade stand down. >> it made me want to open my own stand here in fox's front yard. there' there's a cop over there. will the police bust me? there are so many vague laws that everybody arguably could be caught up in it. >> lawyer harvey silverglade says america's avalanche of new laws, this is just what the feds added last year, makes criminals of just about all of us. >> every citizen arguably could be shown to have violated some regulation in these stacks, and that's the danger to liberty. >> the police never told these girls why they were shut down. >> my husband stopped at the city hall to try to find out, and the city official laughed at him and said, really? they shut your lemonade stand down? he he says yeah i'd like to see what law i'm braeging. she didn't even know. >> eventually the police chief exp >> we' >> we're not aware how the lemonade was made, who made it and what the lemonade was made we und we understand you guys are young, but, still, you're
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breaking the law and we can't let you do it anymore. >> appleton, wisconsin, shut down these girls' lemonade stand and these kids in texas were stopped, too. >> they said that you needed a permit to sell. >> in hazelwood, illinois, caitlin and abigail mills sold girls scout cookies from their they g they got a letter saying to >> i l >> i looked at it and i thought what? kites? kites? >> >> all these people ran afoul of laws they didn't know existed and still don't understand. >> ununderstandable. not only to people like you who are not lawyers but to people like me. i am a lawyer and i can tell you i don't -- >> incomprehensible to you. >> yes. >> even the police don't und she she said the roberts' kids lemonade stand violated the law. but -- >> two officers the previous day bought lemonade from them and tipped them. >> in scottsdale arizona dr. reed at that rauz zi is accused of breaking the city's
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nuisance and property maintenance law. his crime? this tree. it's the wrong kind. >> they said, if you don't remove the tree you'll be fined $2000 a day -- >> or i could face imprison mtd for six months. >> you bought the house partly because of this tree. >> yes. >> but it turned out this tree wasn't on the)ñ"d planning and development services department's list of approved tree it's it's odd because there are a bunch of them in the area. so you point this out to the authorities, and they say what? >> let us know who they are, and we will cite them as well. >> in california stephanie and chuck frown were fined for holding bible studies in their home. need need a conditional use permit, cup, to hold meetings. >> that's tricky. it goes down this road of traffic studies, earthquake studies, land studies. this can be tens of thousands of d >> you >> you asked them, how many people make formeet for a meeting? >> and the code enforcer and his boss from the planning
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department said more than three. >> you have more than three >> i >> i have five. >> famous people accused of breaking the law can fight zealous prosecutors. they can afford the expensive lawyers who often get them reduced sentences or acquittal. >> but what if you're just an ordinary businessman and you import these guys? watch out. you could go to jail for years. >> we didn't catch the lobster. we didn't see the lobster. >> this man used to import seafood. then then authorities said, you're in >> i >> i did the same thing for 13 years over and over, clear customs and fda, bring the lobster tails in and sell them. nobody in the government ever had a problem with that until that day when they walked up on the dock and said, don't offload your lobster tails. >> customs shows up and said stop unloading, put them back. >> we put them back and we were wondering what the heck h they d they didn't know the answer. >> we know that you know you shouldn't murder and you
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shouldn't steal. those are intuitive laws. that's old-fashioned. now the laws are much more technical and vague. >> the government said he broke four obscure regulations that are on the books in honduras. >> that said they had to be packaged in 40-pound boxes. we had them in plastic bags. >> everybody was usinge inging plastic >> i >> i started in 1986 and was always doing it the same way. >> in the end even honduras said, no, no, you've got it wrong, it didn't matter. >> 7:30 in the morning there's about six or seven black vans. there's fbi irs, national marine fishery service customs. there's about 13 of them on my deck, all with guns. >> and that was just the beginning of his nightmare. and you were sentenced to -- >> eight years one month. >> that's right, eight years and a month. maybe he was a repeat offender? any trouble with the law before >> the >> the worst thing i had was a
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speeding ticket. that was it. >> he served six years in jail. what's happened to your bu >> >> i went broke. >> what's happened to your >> >> they went broke also, and it broke up. >> i assume these attorneys general and states attorneys are not evil people. okay, they're ambitious want to make a name for themselves. but they don't want to hurt people who didn't really do nasty things. >> most are not evil but there are a lot of fanatics. >> prosecutors have noticed that other prosecutors, like eliot spitzez richard blumenthal, won high office by racking up impressive conviction records. >> you see all these regulations around here? they will comb the books, and they will find something. >> this could happen to you. they can take any law that they think you broke and take you to trial, and whether you win or lose you're going to lose because, by the time you're done fighting it, you're broke. >> of course, the government
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never goes broke. they must have spent a million taxpayer dollars going after >> i >> i heard they spent 5 million. >> the amount of money it takes bankrupts the typical person. >> how much money does it take? >> i've had clients that spent $10 million. >> i cannot even imagine how much money they spent prosecuting my husband. >> the feds tried jill barron's husband jack and lost. but instead of apologizing for getting it wrong they threatened to fine him $37,000 a what t what terrible crime did the government say jack and jill committed? tryin trying to build a house on their own property. the county gave you permission to build a house. >> yes they did. and they inspected the foundation and approved it. >> so you started to build. >> uh-huh. >> but a government-owned drainage ditch nearby was clogged with logs so jack asked the government to fix it. >> they told my husband, we are backed up six months. if you can clean the ditch, go ahead and do it.
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so he used his backhoe, he removed huge logs out of this the wa the water poured off the land, and we were cited one felony for cleaning the ditch. >> what? >> a felony charge. it gave the property the appearance of being a wetland. state government floods your property, and then the federal government comes and charges you a felony for building on a w >> it >> it clearly isn't a wetland. jack is digging a well here. he had to go deep down. he wasn't fient r finding water. >> he was down eight feet, couldn't find a water table. >> i should repeat, a jury cleared jack of all charges. >> and we won. but after we were home for a month maybe the army corps of engineers and the epa sent us another letter saying how nice for you that you won in the criminal court. but we still feel it's a
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wetland, and the decision made by the jury did not matter to and and if you don't get off the property, we're going to fine you still. >> what does that mean? >> $37,000 a day. >> they've even had to sell their home. they moved into a modified trailer. so so this is already almost taken everything you have. >> well, yeah. >> and their life savings? >> we'll be bankrupt obviously. you have no idea what you're up ag you you don't know the power that is the epa. >> they have all the time and resources in the world. it's an implaquable foe with unlimited budget and they wear you down. >> they just come in and ruin >> so >> so our government that's supposed to be by the people for the people sometimes is against the people. up next -- why i had to do this.
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does it take to open a lemonade stand legally in america? a call to the new york city information department directed me to this website. this is supposed to make licensing simple. oh, the wizard. they make it easey. except what? there were unintelligible questions. i i need an ine assistant? an employee identification the g the government said i had to take a 15-hour food protection class to sell lemonade? bicycle injuries. equip bicycles with reflectors. i don't have bicycles. after this, there's an exam. then i have to wait weeks to find out if i passed. and if i did i have to buy a government-approved fire extinguisher. i i got my fire extinguisher. might be a fire out here. to do this legally would take months. for forget it. so i did this without a permit. fox's lawyer gave me the okay if i didn't actually sell anything. i had to give everyone refunds
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and get the lemonade back. wait a second! i shouldn't have sold it to you. i have to get it back. of course my customers thought this was crazy. >> it's a silly law. >> many at once of their own lemonade stand. did you have to get a license to open)ñ(b the zandt? >> i'm from canada and we didn't need a license. >> actually, i can't let uf drink this. >> why? >> there are so many rules i'm not allowed to sell this to you. i have to give you your money >> wh >> what are the rule snz. >> i d >> i didn't have time to get the >> in p >> in pam i stan i don't need any permits. >> that's has it used to be in the united states. it was once easy to start a business here. >> back in the 1920s, you take a poor, illiterate irishman or italian, he goes out and buys a used car, paints the word "taxi" on it, and he's in business for walt walter is now an economist, but got his start driving a cab. >> i made about $125 a week. >> but today he couldn't buy a
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cab in my town unless he's a mill >> poli >> politicians now require every aspiring taxi driver to buy one of these medallions. no medallion, you're not legal. but these medallions now cost a million dollars. >> yes, very expensive. >> so expensive that only big companies can afford them. so now these drivers are note entrep th they're employees. >> yeah. it's because of the medallion. i cannot drive my own car. >> it restricts entry and the purpose of these licenses is to keep outsiders out. >> no. it's to create a safe and orderly marketplace. >> if you believe that. no the the purpose of the licensing is to keep outsiders out so the ins can charge higher prices. >> one of the few remaining places where it's still easy to start a taxi business is washington, d.c. these drivers like that. >> it's the last bastion of free entrepreneur system in the industry in america. >> but now this lobbyist wants to end that freedom. >> you have to regulate.
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>> he wants to bring the dumb medallion rule to washington, d.c. he wro he wrote a bill that would cut the number of taxis allowed in >> >> there's too many taxicabs. >> these d.c. drivers don't think so. >> kill the medallion bill! >> they like being allowed to but but the lobbyist convinced this d.c. city councilman to sponsor his bill. >> we want to professionalize our taxicab system. >> professionalize the system. what does that mean? >> well, we want to make sure that the customer has a good riding experience. >> that sounds good, but -- >> what is this? what is this? >> -- regulations already on the books subject every driver to petty harassment. >> this is unacceptable. >> still, at least in washington, the open entry rules allow newcomers to enter the bus >> wa >> washington, d.c., is the only major city in america that allows an open entry. >> isn't that good for poor >> >> no it's not good. a medallion system is what is
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>> but >> but that squeezes newcomers >> and >> and newcomers should be squeezed out. >> why? >> because this is a regulated in >> h >> how much do you get paid to lobby for this? >> well, i get paid by the hour, and my rate per hour is $775. >> this man you know he's about money. i can't blame him. but don't hustle me. >> i'm told you're paid by the taxi king jerry schafer, is using you to squeeze the competition out. >> i'm being paid not by the taxi king but by the -- >> a bunch of taxi kings and queens and jacks to keep the little guys out. >> right. queens kings jacks and just some poor little folks. >> poor folks rarely pay lo if he g if he gets his regulation, poor people won't become taxi entre >> onl >> only a few are going to be able to afford it if any.
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>> washington has been sort of an open place for taxis being able to become a taxi driver. that that's g tha >> we love it. >> why monkey with good? >> when folks have ideas about different legislation you're idea is to implement it. >> you've only been here four years. how ma how many laws have you gotten p >> oh >> oh, many. we are very active in my office legisl >> you >> you ever repeal any? >> no i don't think many have been repealed. >> politicians almost never repeal. fortun fortunately entrepreneurs sometimes create alternatives like uber, which allow drivers to get around medallion laws. but without such alternatives, the rules drown people. >> you're going to run me out of this land. >> i'm trying to get out of here!
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. who who decides what you eat? you? turns turns out no.
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some towns ban happy meals. one banned all new fast food rest my my town's mayor wants to limit the salty can eat. and if you sell certain things that the food police disapprove of, you better watch out. >> there was a loud banging on the back gate. >> and i said, what's going on? they said we have a warrant to search the premises. >> not long ago federal and state officials raided rossem foods a food co-op in los >> they >> they started walking around. they drew their gunz. >> they searched me. it seemed like they thought we had cocaine in the papayas or som >> the >> their crime was selling milk that hadn't been pasteurized. >> they went jinto our freezes and took will gallons and cheeses whatever they wanted. >> a year later, the government raided it again. they also raided sharon palmer's farm, which supplies rossum with its natural food. >> these people come and invade ripped my house apart. they took me down to the county
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jail booked me photographed me like a criminal. >> palmer and rossum's owners were charged with six felonies, all because health officials say raw milk can be downright dan >> >> it can. unpastureized means the milk hasn't been heated to kill the bacteria like salmonella that can give you stomach aches or kill you. but raw food buyers say things like this. >> it's pure and healthy and makes me feel good. >> oh please. that's ridiculous. but don't free people have a right to be ridiculous? >> what the hell? this is america. how are you going to tell me what i should and shouldn't eat? >> right. i eat lots of dug bars. these aren't good for me. i also eat chicken. the cdc says because people don't wash chicken properly bacteria in it causes lots of illness and many deaths. but we don't ban chicken. >> when a government gets between my lips and my throat i call that an invasion of
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p >> joe >> joel salen is one of thoseback to the earth foodies. why do you want to drink raw mil >> be >> because i want to. i think it's healthier and it's good for me and i've drunk it all my life. sometimes legally, sometimes ill >> mo >> most states ban the sale of raw milk just as they ban unlicensed lemonade stands. wait, waist, wait, i can't give it to you. although my lawyer told me that if no one drinks it and i don't make any money then this is probably legal. >> you're silly. >> that indicates this whole societal prejudice against terrible businesspeople. you know, anyone who's in business is a cheater a v >> the >> the cdc says hundreds of people have gotten sick from raw >> m >> more than that have drowned in backyard swimming pools. i think we should fill in all the backyard swimming pools and outlaw them. life is risky. you can die from it. ultimately ultima ultimately, you and i should be able to choose our risk. ñ2÷ mean, i think eating cocoa puffs and twinkies and drinking
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mountain dew is risky. but i'm not asking for a government to tell you that you can't do it. >> for 30 years sal atten farmed 500 acres in virginia and he's seen government pass more and more rules. >> every day i look over my shoulder okay what are they going to find illegal tomorrow? >> sat atten would like to slaughter his own animals to sell to his neighbors. but it's only legal if he zrnlt make money. >> you can go into the woowood and shoot a deer and put it like an ornament and take it around town in the afternoon sun for a couple of hours and then take it home, string it up in a tree until you skin it out, cut it up and feed it to your children and that's being a great a but but if i take one lamb or one pig and get all the neighbors together and we have a community killing like they used to do and one neighbor pays me a penny i'm a criminal. >> it's logical to think we need government to protect us. >> if that is what you think,
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that's fine. go ask for government protection. but but allow my customers and me, who don't have faith in the government, let us opt out. basic food freedom of choice should be as important as the freedom to worship, speak or own a gun. what you doing, pigs? >> what the about the freedom to record public officials doing public work. >> i'm a reporter. >> coming up -- >> you're going to jail. >> in america these days you never know what's legal. >> you're going to away. >> but can police legally arrest you just for filming the authorities? that's that's next.
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. our government adds thousands of new laws every the the feds alone add 80000 pages of new regulations just last add
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add in state and local laws, and we're drowning in rules. just disobeying one of these could lead to the police locking me up. so given that the police have the power to lock me up or shoot me it's important that we be able to keep an eye on them. fortunately, that's easier today because even our phones have and and a camera is a powerful tool for, as the romans said, watching the watched. >> you're going away. >> you're arrested for trespass tresp >> i d >> i did nothing! >> the problem is that often the watchmen don't want to be w in in jones county, mississippi a highway patrolman told pete eyre, stop your rv. pete's an activist who likes to videotape encounters with autho >> yes >> yes, sir? >> open that side door for me. turn that camera off, too. >> what's that? >> turn it off. >> how come? >> are you using it? >> yes. >> he'd broken no traffic laws but maybe the police were
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suspicious of shirtless tattooed pete and his big trailer with new hampshire plates. pete's friend filmed the encounter and said -- >> i would like to keep everybody accountable. >> apparently this officer didn't like that. another arrived and said -- >> turn it off. >> i'm not shutting it off, >> wel >> well, you're going to jail. >> excuse me? >> the cops grabbed his camera and arrested him and his friend. >> they held us in jail, didn't let us make phone calls. >> after about 12 hours they let them go. >> they charged me of possession of a beer in a dry county because there was an unopened beer in the refrigerator. >> they couldn't charge him with filming with the police because that's legal. and that's a good thing. just outside my office a cop claimed a bicyclist rode into him on purpose. but then this video turned up and showed that the officer was the aggressor. that cop was eventually fired. maybe video like this is why
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some don't want to be filmed. >> you guys need something? >> i'm just -- this is my front i'm i'm just recording what you're doing. it's it's my right. >> actually, this is the si >> thi >> this is my yard. >> in rochester, new york when emily goode heard someone being stopped she went out to film the enc one of one officer didn't like that. >> we're dog a traffic stop. >> i'm allowed to stand in my >> >> stand in your house. >> i'm allowed to stand in my >> i w >> i was in cotton pajamas. you could tell i was holding i don i don't think there's any reason to feel threatened. >> all i have is a camera. i have no weapons. >> this does not matter. you know what? you're going to go to jail. >> they're arresting me. i don't understand what's going >> the >> the officer took her to jail and charged her with obstructing governmental administration. >> i did nothing. i did nothing. >> i think that the young police officer is high on his power. >> high on his power is a little
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harsh. he's he's doing his job. >> no it's not his job to take people observers from their own property and put them in >> a >> a month later, emily put this video online. it was viewed thousands of times and some viewers criticized the police. so you post the video on youtube, and they come back. >> in uniform, four officers. >> police showed up outside a meeting of emily and her friends and started writing tickets for parking violations, like parking farther than 12 inches from the >> can >> can i see it? can i see the ruler? >> her friend taped that. o that that's 12 inches from the curb. >> after the media picked up on the story, the police chief said his officers' action were inappropr charge charges against emily were dropped, but no officer was ever punished. they they never are as far as we know. even even when they arrest news ca
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>> go >> go way now. go away now! >> phil tried to film a police pu >> yo >> you're going away. >> okay, i'm asking you -- >> because it's an active scene and you're leaving. all right? go away. >> he >> he went away. he moved across the street. but then the officer drove up to him there. >> i called pil. >> put it down. put it down. put it down. you're under arrest. you're under arrest. >> they charged phil with obstructing government. did you obstruct the government? >> absolutely not. at the point i was arrested i was probably 1,000 feet away from the officers. >> charges were dropped but again, the officer was never non none of the officers who arrested pete, emily or phil would talk to us but the head of one police union sent us this written comment. he says, this has become a serious safety issue. i'm afraid something terrible will happen. >> the opposite is true. if the officers are doing the right thing the video is going
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to show that. >> true. this hijacker rammed a cop car. the officer shot the hijacker, killed him, and then was exonerated of murder because this video showed he had acted in self-defense. >> are you recording me right now? >> ye >> some officers now understand that it's just part of the job to be filmed. >> if you're a police officer, what do you want to do, make sure it's safe right? >> right. >> well, it should look good on youtube either way. >> let's give three cheers for officer matt lyons of oceanside, california. >> mak >> make sure to get a good look at me. >> it's refreshing to hear an officer welcome the camera. >> remember, my name is officer lyons with the oceanside police department, badge number 1093. god bless america. coming up -- should they have the freedom to sell sex? and should they have the freedom to get high? legal drugs and sex work, when we return.
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there's something out there. it's a highly contagious disease. it can be especially serious- even fatal to infants. unfortunately, many people who spread it may not know they have it. it's called whooping cough. and the cdc recommends everyone, including those around babies, make sure their whooping cough vaccination is up to date. understand the danger your new grandchild faces. talk to your doctor or pharmacist about you and your family getting a whooping cough vaccination today.
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can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive?
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lots of people in american jails are here for drug use and that's ironic because the people who make the laws and enforce them many of them admit they use drugs. which of you are willing to admit to having used marijuana
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in the past? senator kerry? >> yes. >> edwards? >> yes. >> the audience applauds. >> i didn't like it and didn't >> i >> i inhaled frequently. that was the point. >> everyone laughed. yet these same politicians oversee a system that does this. >> don't move! >> drug raids like this one happen in america more than 100 times every day. >> what did i do? >> neil franklin once led such >> you' >> you've locked up hundreds people for drugs? >> yes. been responsible for thousands being arrest. >> you felt good about it? >> yeah. we really thought these drugs made people evil. >> but ten years ago franklin decided that drugs even hard drugs, do much less harm to americans than the drug war. >> drugs can be and are in many cases problematic. but the policies that we have in police to prohibit their use are ten times more problematic.
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>> conducting drug raids is one thing that changed his mind. on this raid a s.w.a.t. team broke into this family's house shot their dog. once inside, they didn't find any drugs. the owner was just charged with possessing drug paraphernalia. >> we just don't end up with dogs being shot. we end up with kids being shot. we end up with search warrants being served on the wrong home and innocent people on the other side of the door thinking they are protecting their home. >> we should be kicking down more doors. >> paul was a drug czar adviser under presidents clinton and >> the >> they're not kicking a door if somebody is smoeging a doobie on their couch. they're kicking a door of a violent criminal. >> when they get it right. sometimes they make mistakes, terrorize people. >> because that accident happens should not be the reason we do away with the program. >> do away with it says frankli it it didn't stop drug use. but it created violence.
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>> tens of thousands of people are dying. >> not because they get high on drugs. but b but because when something's illegal it's sold on the black market, and that causes crime. drug dealers can't call the cops if someone tries to steal their supply so they arm themselves to the teeth and form gangs. >> we have the violence of these gangs competing for market share and people get hurt. >> especially kids. drug gangs constantly look for new recruits. >> some of these gangs have better recruitment programs than fortune 500 companies. they know what to say to kids. >> he demonstrated how they recruit kids. >> check this out, man. look what i got on my feet, man. wouldn't you like a pair of just he just head over to foot looker and get yourself a pair. come back and show me them. kid comes back. hey, you looking good man. wouldn't you like to be able to buy a pair of them every week? man, you hang out with me, this is what you could be.
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you could have this. >> a few days later, the dealer sees the kid again. >> what, you dissing me or what, snan you know you owe me. >> you offered me kñklsneakers. >> you got 120 bucks? oh i don't? here's what you do. you hold this for me. just hold this. >> just stand here. >> just stand here and let me know and you'll get to keep the i i got you. >> and if drugs were legal, people assume there would be more of that. >> no. see, you don't understand. it is the policy of prohibition that causes that environment. we don't have these kids on the corner, i got a fifth of jack daniels for you. >> jack daniels is sold by businesses in safe, well-lit braces. there' there's no violence here because this is legal. but there used to be violence in places like this. >> gangsterism was a sequel. >> violent crime is why america ended its nine years of alcohol proh >> >> al capone.
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>> we created organized crime. al capone. >> organized crime existed well before prohibition. >> but much less of it. here's the murder rate 80 years it it rose when alcohol was banned, dropped when it became legal >> if >> if we were to do away with our drug laws and just sort of legitimize>u4m narcotic use in this country by saying let adults do what they do we know statistically the drug usage numbers are going to skyrocket. >> but we don't know that. people think were it not for drug laws drug abuse would be ram but but portugal decriminalized all drugs ten years ago and the number of abusers did not skyr >> act >> actually they have. in portugal, which people often talk about today as a success, it's actually a blatant failure. >> we went to portugal. he's just wrong. >> we have a huge problem. >> this man is portugal's drug >> we h
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>> we have 100,000 people hooked on heroin. >> 15 years ago heroin users shut shot up on the street. instead of doing what we've done, they tried something different the they decriminalized every drug, crack, heroin, you name it. >> it's legalization. we have the most liberal model in the world. >> drug use is treated more like a parking ticket than a crime. people caught with this drugs like this man found with hash get a slap on the wrist, sometimes a fine. when the law passed did stoned people run wild in the streets taking heroin and crack? >> that's so not true. >> this woman served in portugal's parliament. >> people now take a more responsible attitude towards certain drugs. there's no police after them to choose for them. >> despite that freedom, independent studies found that the number of people who say they regularly do drugs stayed about the same. and, more importantly -- >> the numbers of addiction
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itself decreased. >> we saw this woman openly smoking a joint near some police officer but but we saw more public drinking than drug use. drug abuse is down say authorities, and drug crime is >> >> at first, this police inspector had doubts about the law. but but now he says it works. >> not so much conflict on the they' they're reduced. ow the police are not the enemies of the consumers. >> and teen drug use is down. >> it brought some peace to this >> but >> but in america, the drug war rages on. coming up -- another war against prost >> >> we don't sell access to the intimate itself. it creates the idea that human beings are no different, no better than stuff. >> but these sex workers say what is she talking about? >> i choose to do this. this is what i want to do.
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in in these piles of law there is one that most of you agree with, the ban on prostitution, in america, sex is okay. money is okay. but sex for money, that's forbidden. seven seven women arrested and charged with soliciting prostitution. >> do you have anything to say, ma'am? the the women hide their faces. >> tv reporters treat
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prostitution like most other c >> we >> we got exclusive pngts as vice cops set up a sting at a hotel. cops cops posing as johns easily lured five women to the high-rise hotel. even using the yellow pages. >> even using the yellow pages. think about that. it wasn't at all difficult for the police to discover the law breakers. heck, heck, the yellow pages in my town have 15 pages of so-called escort services. sex work is common. police ignore 90% of it. yet, when they do make busts, the implication is that the police save the prostitution. >> jail just may be the safest place these high-end hookers have ever been. >> really? jail is the safest place these hookers have ever been? i doubt that. more importantly where sex work is legal there's little danger. here in nevada, for example. >> here it's safe. we have a problem, the sheriff >> bro >> brooke taylor says sex work is like any other sales job.
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>> i mean, we are entrepreneurs. we are independent contractors. just like any other business. >> she works at the bunny ranch, one of 20 legal brothels in america. dennis dennis hoff is her boss. you're a pimp. you're exploiting these women. >> i'm not a pimp. i have a license to do this. >> you're a licensed pimp. 500 woimmen choose to rent out their bodies. >> you claim you're having fun? >> oh yeah. >> being bought, sold? >> you have fun when you have sex, john? >> if we were being bought or sold, we'd be crying and kiging and screaming when the transaction happened. are we doing that? >> but >> but wait a second. don't you feel demeaned? >> not at all. >> the u.s. state department calls the act of selling sex for money inherently demeaning. sex is supposed to be spont >> acc >> according to whom? who made the sex laws? >> it's just for money. >> right. don't you model for money? it's the same thing. >> sex is different.
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sex is more intimate. >> you're still showing your body or exploiting yourself. >> i choose to do this. this is what i want to do. >> i assume you have no other options that you felt -- >> i have several options. before i did this, i had a nice paying job. >> so why do you do this? >> because i want to. >> these girls could go out on dates and give up sex and it's fine. but but if a guy leaves a $100 bill on the dresser there's something wrong with that? >> interesting question. >> it's not that complicated to appreciate why we don't want to legalize prostitution. >> i put it to former prosecutor wendy murphy. she's locked prostitutes up. >> we don't sell access to the intimate itself. it creates the idea that human beings are no better than stuff. slavery is against the constitution, has been for a long time. we find it -- >> but slavery is involuntary. that's forced. >> prostitution is very close to s it's it's inconsistent with
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everything we know about what freedom means to subject humans to market forces. >> what? she lost me there. humans are subjected to market forces all the time. ever see a fashion show? or a professional sports draft? or a boxing match? >> two men can beat each other's brains in in a boxing ring l why s why shouldn't these girls be able to have sex for money? >> sex workers told us sex is just a job. one better than some others. >> the girl at mcdonald's doesn't love making burgers. the guy at dwayne reed doesn't love stocking toilet paper. >> candy dropped out of college because she wanted to do sex >> if >> if i don't like somebody, i don't have to be with them. opposite of slavery i think. >> nevada's got it right. not all of nevada. in las vegas, it's illegal. >> they've got lots of disease, lots of robberies $2 million worth of property thefts reported last year. prohibition does not work. if you want disease if you want money going to criminals, then
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keep it illegal. >> by keeping this illegal, you kill people. people don't get aids tests. they're afraid to report crimes to the police. in nevada, in parts where it's legal there's no crime. >> oh please. you can't die of aids from prostitution if you can't engage in prostitution. you can't -- >> but they do engage anyway even when it's illegal. it's just underground. >> so people rob banks, too. we can't regulate -- >> that's forced stealing money from people. this is consensual. big difference. >> people will want to do thing that's are harmful to them. >> i wish you could talk to the women from the bunny ranch about >> i'd >> i'd be like, i can save you! >> i was glad she said that because the sex workers that stayed to listen to her comments -- >> you guys are beautiful. >> -- now they came forward to join the conversation. >> they work in a legal place. they say it's great. >> we like it.
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we like it. >> it's your own choice. fu want to do it do it. if you don't like it then >> i'm >> i'm happy that you're happy. that's terrific. the fact that you are having a good time is not an excuse to ignore the harm. >> tell me why it's so bad for >> dar >> darling, it isn't about you. >> you say we get our souls suck i have i have been nothing but happy. >> i believe that the majority of prostituted women suffer harm that is so serious i would compromise your freedom to protect the majority of women. abs >> so >> so you want to basically tell everybody in the world what they can and can't do with their own bodies and take away everyone's freedom of choice. >> i would like to live in a world where people didn't hurt each other. you should be ashamed of yo >> the >> the senator harry reid >> >> the time has come to outlaw prosti >> ame >> america is nowhere close to accepting what you do. >> because it's sex. relax, it's just sex america. >> even if you support the laws against sex work or drug use, do we need all these laws?
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so many that no one understands so ma so many that even the government admits it can't count them all? n let's let's get rid of some of these laws. tha that's our show for tonight. get rid of laws! good night. >> mr. vice president if we don't act now it's going to be too late. >> there's a blurring between fiction and reality. because they have a political agenda. >> no new pipeline? >> no. actually this time no. >> americans control and own their own energy. >> and recycle. >> i am so empowered. >> shut down sea world. >> are your whales being in prison here. should they be free? >> they are succeeding. >> this is


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