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"life liberty and levin" i'll be speaking with bill hagerty, congressman jim jordan and texas congressional candidate monica de la cruz. we will talk about hispanics moving to the gop. plus here on fox business start smart every weekday 6 - 9:00 a.m. eastern with "mornings with maria" we hope you start your day every weekday with us. i will do it for us, thank you for joining me have a great rest of the weekend. i'll see you again next time. ♪ >> , welcome to the "wall street journal at large" coming to you from london as you can probably tell from the familiar landscape behind me. this is not the side of the problem but of course in the united states where the supreme court on friday struck down roe v. wade. democrats have been hounding and protest every sense at the end
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device for women. what is the reality of the new world of abortion in america. what's it going to look like. working to explore all the aspects on the tonight show, what it really means for abortion in america and how states will use the restored power to make new abortion laws. what the angry reactions from democrats and abortion supporters might mean for the respect for the court in the constitution. i'm hoping the decision could have in store for the nation's politics. the pivotal elections and beyond. will be talking about all of this with our guest this week byron york with the washington examiner and york democratic official lauren curran. we will talk to them in a minute. as previewed by the infamous link last month. the supreme court has indeed struck down roe v. wade. the 9073 ruling that found that women had a constitutional right to an abortion. in one of the most important decisions by the court in modern times the justices in a 6 - 3 ruling with samuel alito writing the opinion, amy coney barrett
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and john chief justice john roberts, gorsuch, upheld a mississippi law that the abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. the law had been ruled unconstitutional by lower courts but justice alito in an opinion for court which now has a very solid conservative majority wrote we in this opinion where we began, abortion presents a found world question. the constitution does not prevent each state from regulating or prohibiting abortion. roe and casey, the other important case the upheld roe v. wade arrogated that authority. we now overrule those and it turned authority to the people and their elected representatives. the decision was greeted with jubilation by pro-life groups who argued for almost 50 years that roe was bad law and badly decided. >> this is a dream come true for me. this is a big win for us and south texas but also for our country. we have to start respecting
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life. we have to start valuing life. >> everybody needs to understand matter how you feel about abortion. the supreme court in 1973 literally created a constitutional right out of thin air. >> the people have won a victory. the right to life has been vindicated. the voiceless will finally have a voice. >> the democrats and pro-abortion did now the ruling they would take america back to the days of backstreet abortions and what endangered women's health. >> the court literally taking america back 150 years. this is a sad day for the country in my view. >> american women today have left freedom for the mother. >> they are endangered the live- [inaudible] gerry: this rhetoric is surely overdone in the ruling sense decisions on the most controversial topics back to the states. ultimately the voters.
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some states impose restrictions, sharp restrictions on abortion or outright bands set for the most extreme circumstances. other states may make abortions easier to get than they are now. pat stephen right up to the moment of delivery. you can support or post these rights and restrictions. in the end it will be up to you as a voter and as a citizen to decide into change the law if you see fit. not unelected judges creating immutable laws supposedly from the bench. let's talk about this now with our guest. with me now cut to the chase former democratic nassau county executive laura curran. in washington examiner correspondent fox news contributor byron york. thank you both for joining me let me start with you. president biden came out friday evening he condemned this ruling and he said interestingly, not only will it take back 150 years
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he said it was taken away a right. a rare example about limiting right but taking away rights. a lot of people disagree with that. a lot of people say it was a 73 ruling that found the right that didn't exist in the first place. what's your view. >> the president did kickoff the 2022 midterm row campaign in his remarks. you're right about taking away a right. this ruling while it was stunning because actually happen was not stunning and it's content for anybody who has followed thinking on the right the last 50 years. this ruling is a distillation of what we seen with the basic point being that abortion is obviously not an enumerated right in the constitution it is not in the constitution at all this is something that has been a commonplace on the right and we had 50 years of fighting from pro-life forces to the verse 20 or so years in 1973 to casey in 1992. basically beat their head
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against the wall and failed to overturn roe. after that they turned to try to limit abortion around the edges with things like parental consent laws. and then frankly this victory was cemented by two people. one mitch mcconnell who held open a supreme court seat in 2016 after the death of antonin scalia. into donald trump three appointees to the court made up half of the 6 - 3 majority. gerry: in the end as the justices said it's a political decision. shouldn't it be a political decision? why should i have the status of constitutional law when as byron said there's nothing about in the constitution. what is wrong with letting the voters decide in state-by-state what they want the proper rules and laws to be. >> you make a good case about states rights but there was something that i found kind of contradictory with the supreme court decision this week.
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when it comes to roe it's all about states rights, that is fine but then when it came to guns the famous new york case about carrying guns for those who were permitted to carry them. then that right is taken away from the states. it seems like there's a contradiction in the court about his philosophy. gerry: the right to bear arms is enumerated in the constitution and the second amendment. there is no right to abortion in the constitution. >> that's true i would not argue with that. it is not written about abortion for sure. it is one that is interpreted to the right to privacy and what i'm talking about the politics of it, i am getting in my inbox a lot of fundraising appeals from democratic candidates across the country on this issue because according to the pulling and close to two thirds of the population is actually against overturning roe v. wade. gerry: what do you think, and i
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was back to the states we already seen some states immediately after the decision, missouri pain they would move to essentially ban abortion and only exceptional circumstances. how do you think this will work were starting to see companies starting to say they will pay for the employees to cross state lines to get an abortion. how do you think it's going to work and prof enter practice. >> at the goods would be interesting abortion will be a huge issue all the time in state elections. it's not an issue that will go away. they settled law for a while but now it'll be interfaces a lot going forward because of this. gerry: democrats are really against the supreme court decision. what did the reaction say about the attitude towards justice, the attitude towards justice, democracy and respect towards a
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right to her reproductive freedom. >> one incursion into the liberties and the rights of the people will lead to the next and lead to the next. it's a wake-up moment to the american public to reject this assault on healthcare rights of women. >> to hell with the supreme court we will decide. gerry: democrats scrambling to the nearest camera of social media to announce the high court's decision. in rally against the ruling with calls to action. what does this say about the overall attitude towards the constitution and the law let's asked her guest byron york. we watched the last couple of weeks as democrats conducted these hearings into the capitol hill right of january the sixth read with a view to condemning president trump rightly in my view for trampling all over the constitution and disrespect of the constitutional order and now they get a supreme court decision that doesn't go their way. they seem to be using rhetoric
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and maybe talk about similar tactics. what is a consistency. >> i don't think there really is perhaps they would have an argument that the supreme court has outlawed abortion but it has not. we should say there is nothing to keep congress passing a law codifying roe nationwide. we don't have the votes to do it but they could. this is going to play out in an extraordinary way. i'm glad you mentioned at the top of the program that some states will have liberal abortion regimes after this if you look at the states that every codified roe it looks like california, washington state, oregon new jersey and new york in the east in new england as well. a lot of states have not only kept roe in their state law. they made it more liberal as well. gerry: we see these protest outside justices houses after the leak of the draft decision
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that we had last month period we cede an assassination attempt that somebody went to assassinate one of the supreme court justices. we seen this hostile rhetoric. are we in danger of democrats of engendering such disrespect for the rule of law for the decisions of the supreme court. we could be into something quite ugly. >> that is a scary thing abortion is an emotional issue both republic and the democrats have a very nuanced view of abortion. very seldom black and white there are many shades of gray and in the middle. elections have consequences is true. i think the vote is much more powerful than anything else. i hope this inspires however, people feel about this issue and it inspires them to make their voices heard. i have to admit as a democrat the gop had a strong ground game
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for 50 years brick by brick they built this today feels surreal but i can say is a total shock. gerry: would you like to see the congress trying to get to past law that would guarantee a right to an abortion? it's a long shot because they don't have the numbers but do you think they should try to do that? >> the representative of the people think it's something they should do they should absolutely do it, democracy works and i think people should vote for the people that will fight for them and fight for the issues and that's where these things should be played out through our systems and institutions. gerry: we heard a lot of talk to the presidential campaign of 2020 a lot of talk rejecting supreme court legitimacy of the supreme court democrats talked about packing the support, joe biden set up a commission within in conclusion as it were.
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you think the get go down that path again that is fundamentally challenging the legitimacy of this court. >> if any democrat wanted to pack the court before this decision they really want to pack the court now there is no doubt about that. politically you get here democrats essentially say this was an illegitimate decision by a court might illegitimate president pointing to the three justices from gorsuch, kavanaugh and barrett appointed by donald trump read this is going to be one big political mess. it's not entirely clear how it's going to play on the midterm elections. could the decisions help democrats in the midterms they seem to think so. we will take that up next. >> we will see how american voters choose to act based on
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gerry: this fall we must select more senators and representatives who codify the woman's right to choose and the federal law once again. this fall roe is on the ballot. gerry: listen to the president the supreme court were handed democrats a political spark that they need to mobilize the reluctant voters before the midterm elections in november. he has long been a motivating issue for republican voters. especially over the campaign to change the law the last 50 years but will democrats seize on this reversal of roe v. wade to change the political narrative lots ask our guests, you mentioned earlier in the show
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you heard people in democrats raising money and fundraising opportunities of this decision does it look what the president said another democrat said they really do there isn't much else for the democrats to campaign at the moment given to the economy and everything that's going on do they really think this is a lifeline in the midterm elections? >> i get the sense that it will be. it's an issue that inflames people's passions on both sides. and i can't disagree with you with the democratic party it's place for a difficult midterm and poise for a very difficult midterm election with the economy in a bunch of other stuff and being a former politician myself i understand how you can latch onto an issue that will inspire people to come out and vote but i will argue that everyone should be inspired to come on vote however, they feel for those folks who think
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they will represent the best. we have a lot of primaries going on these candidates are working hard to raising money, the doing debates and doing what they have to do. we do see a lot of odor at the seat when it's not an election-year. i don't want to hear people complain about what happened to the government they haven't bothered to vote. gerry: vibrant as many republicans were celebrating the decision on friday, was there some element of concern about the political implications, the pulling suggest it's a very mixed picture on the pulling through the pulling does suggest in some key states and some key congressional districts there are people that are uncomfortable with the idea that maybe the overturning of roe v. wade could result in significant abortion restrictions in some states is that a potential risk for some republicans? >> i think it is a risk and some close races. first of all we should mention that nationally we have had about two thirds or 65% of respondents have said that they
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opposed doing away entirely with roe v. wade while at the same time they supported significant restrictions on abortions. the supreme court has blown that up. it will put some republicans on the defensive. i would look at some of the more intense senate races around the country and arizona and nevada and ohio and pennsylvania and north carolina. and see how it might affect things. all those people who oppose the overturning of roe pre-the supreme court has changed the facts on the ground and they will see if they're still upset about that. gerry: the roe v. wade decision caps off a remarkable series of rulings from the supreme court what might be the most consequential terms in recent history. where does this place the court in the context of judicial in the context of judicial history in thehehe
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gerry: is been a momentous week for the supreme court and indeed with the supreme court decision is not just on roe v. wade but the right to bear arms, the second amendment, religious freedom, state separation we may have a few more to go early next week read how do we put this into historic context. it's been a remarkable term it does seem to be the solid conservative majority that is there is now really having an impact on the nation's law. let's talk about that now with
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her piano. laura karen. it does look there are still some conservatives that are critical that the court makes but this is a really really impactful and important court term about the solid conservative majority that seems to upset it stands. you think this'll be remembered as one of the most important in the courts history? >> i do this is an activist court that we haven't seen since the warren court. you were talking about packing the court. i think this is a terrible idea no matter what side you are on at some other point issue will be on the other foot. tinkering with these institutions should be very careful have to come back to the cliché elections have consequences. it really does matter. and you've got about the process play out fair and square.
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gerry: that the very great point, you mentioned earlier this is a victory for donald trump. if you look at the decisions of the court three of those were appointed by him. not a lot of people would've said this at the time. donald trump is shaping up to be one of the most consequential presidents in u.s. history. >> enormously consequential. 6 - 3 is a lot different than 5 - 4. the court has been battling back and forth with 5 - 4 decisions for quite a long time until donald trump biggest mitch mcconnell in 2016 and deny barack obama a final appointment to discipline court and giving it essentially to donald trump. you have this enormous change in the court that came as a result of trauma. one more thing, republicans and conservatives have been used to cynically referring supreme court justice who grew an office
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that was appointed by republicans thought to be conservatives and drifted to the left over their time on the court now it appears there is a pretty solid conservative majority on the court for a while. >> that's all we have time great thanks to briber and work in laura curran. will be back next wee >> "barron's roundtable" sponsored by global x ats. jack: welcome to "barron's roundtable". we get behind the headlines and prepare you for the week ahead. a gas tax holiday is unlikely but drug price reform is possible. pimco's libby cantrill on whether anything will get done. worries about recession battered


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