disrupted, turned over and given mission impossible for a young girl. she's asked by st. michael the arc angel to save france and to lead the french army in the -- in lifting the siege of orlin in 1400's which she does. maria: i love it. >> you see her hitting out into the abiss. maria mariju--maria: walk us thl greko. >> he's an artist before his time. he's trying to paint the soul of people and the body is just inside there. last painting. he actually painted it and attarration of the shepherds.

jesus the lamb of god appears first to the shepherds. you can see the light in the painting, shining, lighting everybody else up and it's a kind of image to contemplate the coming of christ on christmas eve. maria: i love it. lighting the darkness, really so fascinating. thank you for that. i recommend this tour to everybody. it was incredible, so illuminating, steven, i can't thank you enough. thanks very much for being here this morning. congrats on the book. >> thank you, maria. maria: we will see you soon. steven disjoining us. the next hour of mornings with maria begins right now. good tuesday morning, everybody. thank you very much for joining us this morning. i'm maria bartiromo and it is tuesday december 20th, it is 7:01 on the east coast. elon musk exposes corruption at the fbi and the doj with the new twitter files round 7. they show the intelligence community pressured news and social media outlets to

discredit evidence of influence peddling from the biden laptop despite the fbi knowing the truth. joining the conversation all morning long this morning is dagen mcdowell and mark tepper. dagen, the story just gets better and better. dagen: it's just really breath taking but horrifying to go through this -- these revelations from shellenberger and this is what you have been talking about all along and what miranda divine wrote all along in her book, but in the recent files that were -- that shellenberger and elon musk published, these so-called experts spent months prepping for how to suppress the new york post report on hunter biden and this is in the new york post editorial today on how to suppress the new york post report on hunter biden. the files show a coordinated

effort between the biden campaign, the fbi to limit the reach of the story that would damage joe biden and hunter biden but as you've said repeatedly, this is a joe biden story. but the -- like if you just go through this timeline, the new york post called hunter biden's lawyer for a comment the day before they published this -- the hunter biden story, the lawyer immediately calls the computer repairman who originally had the hunter biden laptop but -- but then that -- so -- but they didn't -- they never provided the lawyer the name of that laptop repairman. so how did they know who it was? the fbi had had this laptop since december of 2019.

so -- maria: october of 2019 when the fbi was given the laptop and they did nothing with it. they sat on it and then he took the laptop to rudy giuliani and rudy giuliani gave it to the new york post. look, all of those years when we were reporting truth, i was reporting every day that the russia collusion story was a lie and i'm getting attacked and i'm thinking, well, these are really maniacs on twitter, so much hate on twitter to think that it all goes back to the fbi and the fbi pressuring social media to suppress truth and amplify lies. dagen: indeed, and so the -- the gist of it with the republicans coming in to the house, so elvis chan, fbi special agent is going to get called for these investigations along with people within twitter to uncover what was going on.

elvis chan sent 10 documents to twitter's then head of site through one-way communication channel from the fbi to twitter and we don't even know what was in those documents. so that will be a central focus of the republicans trying to get to the bottom of what was going on there. but also -- maria: yeah. >> the fbi was paying twitter for their assistance, correct? maria: i don't know -- i don't know that, but i know that devin nunes is questioning whether or not there are actually people within these social media companies that are fbi plants and yesterday actually over the weekend i learned from devin nunes that, in fact, they were -- they were spying on him and his lawyers. to think that they are spying on a sitting congressman and his lawyers, the doj snooped on

house committee investigators during the russia probe. i mean, think about that, dagen. you've got the chairman of the intelligence committee for the gop, devin nunes, probing the investigation of trump during the russia collusion story. he knew that it was a lie. so he's investigating how they came up with this idea that donald trump colluded. so what do they do? they start spying on devin nunes and his lawyers. i mean, this is incredibly important and scary when you understand you've got government agencies, the people who can put you in jail actually turning the table and spying on you and raiding's people's homes because of their police c -- political biases. dagen: the fbi's influence campaign may have been helped by the fact that it was paying twitter millions of dollars for

its staff time. roughly $3.4 million beginning in october of 2019. and this is according to an associate of jim baker in early 2021. maria: unbelievable. the justice department -- they used grand jury subpoenas to secretly obtain phone data of two top house intelligence investigators. that's what happens when you have the former department of justice lawyer who becomes the general counsel at twitter. jim baker. he signed a letter thanking the fbi for helping cover up the hunter biden cover up, thanks, angela, i will sign it as well with scale, please prepare a daft for sean and me to look at with scale please prepared draft, we should be mindful for the letters could leak and

subject to foia request, freedom of information. >> so much corruption at work here. maria, to your earlier point, when the biggest government agencies in your country, the fbi, the cia, the doj, when you can no longer trust them because they are corrupt, that's something you would find in a third-world country, not in the most powerful country in the world and dagen's earlier point of twitter employees essentially being on the fbi's payroll, that's absolutely insane. and then you through into the mix the jim baker story, look, he obviously went to work at twitter and he had influence. at the end of the day, all we really saw here was the fbi creating their own narrative and then trying to find any tidbit of information they possibly could to prove their narrative true and they struggled and we could see that in the e-mail

exchange. they were prying and couldn't find anything. even joel roth, even he was like, i don't know what they are asking for, i'm uncomfortable with this. it was really at end of the day the fbi was trying to square peg round hole their narrative with all of the supportive facts that weren't real so they could really deliver a bunch of garbage to the american people. maria: let me point out one more elephant in the room, okay, because it is the fbi who told us there was no election fraud in 2020. so forgive us if we don't believe you. go ahead, dagen. dagen: i just wanted to point out that the fbi was corrupt under jay edgar hoover so nothing really changed is the bigger picture.

the fbi -- the $3.4 million that the fbi paid twitter, it was for processing the agency's request. that's how it was labeled. maria: i tell you right now, i'm not playing hoover, i'm blaming jim comey and peter strzok and all of the political hacks an operatives that took control of one of the most important intelligence agencies of this great country. we have much more ahead and we will keep a spotlight on it. quick break, futures are searching for direction as we look ahead to economic data, what to expect this morning with dow industrials up 45 and nasdaq down 19. then pharmacy chains across the country now limiting the sales of children's pain relief medicine, which stores are restricting products and why coming up you're watching mornings with maria live on fox business. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

maria: welcome back, time for word on wall street. top investors watching your money. keith fitz-gerald and former gartman editor, dennis gartman. dennis, kicking things off with you with a look at market that's cautious the morning. the dow better 300 points and stocks closed at lowest level on the session. this morning dow is up 46 and nasdaq is down 32. the november personal consumption expenditures index out on friday. what kind of a market are you expecting into year end and 2023?

>> i've been bearish for quite some period of time. i've been wrong since the early october, no question about that. but i seem to be getting more right as the market moves forward and moves towards the end of the year. we certainly think the fed will be far more restrictive. mr. powell made it clear the fed is going to air being forward and the fed made a promise to the world that it will reduce assets by $95 million taking away the fuel that the bull market had been founded upon for the past decade. i think we will are going to end up seeing much lower prices in the next course of six months. i've been bearish since january 5th of this year. i've been wrong since early october, later september and given the fact that the fed made it abundantly clear it's going to make it far more tighter, moving to take assets out -- move -- i'm having a problem

this morning. please excuse me. the fact that the fed is going to reduce $95 billion per month in the next several years the fuel has been take inaway. continue to be bearish and see no reason to change my opinion at this point. maria: yeah, dennis, you're not the only one who is expecting some disruption from this unwind of the balance sheet. we talked to tomas honick if you take a trillion dollars out of liquidity out of the bond market, you will see markets get disrupted and he's expecting that in 2023. real quick, dennis, would you continue to sell into any rally in the market within next two weeks of the year? >> no question. i would absolutely tell people to do that. so, yes, i think any strength that you get you want to reduce the size of the positions an

reduce exposure to the market. i've been consistent with that and will remain consistent for the next several months going forward. maria: keith, we have our eyes on the job. this morning we got news from cisco joining other technology companies in layoffs. cisco will lay off more than 4,000 workers this week. new survey reveals even as layoffs loom 46% of americans are planning to find a new job in 2023. that's how tight the labor market is, keith. your take on the job's portion of all of this? >> well, it's interesting. this is about 5% of cisco's workforce. this is a preplaplan action, however, that does not change that the fed lost plot long time ago. there's thousands of workers who would disagree with that. i'm very leer yy here.

to me that's an extreme concern. in 2025 we have high school pool of graduates that we are going to see and people retiring in record numbers. this is going to go in the wrong direction in the time when the fed doesn't understand the fire it's playing with. maria: do you think we will see a severe recession or do you think we will get something that just shows contraction but it's not as impactful as others, what do you think, keith? >> i tell you what, i said in january of this year the fed is messing with potentially a global depression, not just a recession everybody is talking about and unfortunately i also said i hope i'm wrong. it doesn't appear that that's the case. we are getting the blast chills up and we are continuing to counter dennis' point, we are continuing to be on the hunt because i view this 3 to 5 years out as incredible bargain. maria: all right, we will keep watching all of that. gentlemen, good to see you this morning. if i don't see you beforehand, merry christmas. thank you, gentlemen. we will see you soon.

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>> we've asked for 3.25 billion and ask congress to assist especially congressional republicans to help us with what's going on at the border. they are, indeed, serious about doing that. but, look, even without their assistance, many republicans being involved here, congressional republicans, we have secured more resources for the border than any president before who proceeded him. maria: another word salad, this time from karine jean-pierre praising president biden's response to the border crisis.

oh, god. the white house asking republican lawmakers to approve $3.5 billion in border spending meanwhile president biden meeting with ecuador's president yesterday touting his record on immigration. watch this. >> today we are going to keep building on the progress we've made together we have made historic strides on migration. maria: joining me right now is florida congressman and member of the house judiciary committee greg steube, congressman, great for being here. we have to unpack all of this. first, karine jean-pierre she's talking about 3 and a half billion dollars that the president is requesting for the border. would that money go toward housing more illegal migrants or is it going to go to help the

border agents do their job? >> congressman: yes, of course, it's going to aid the people that are coming in because their goal is to get as many illegals as possible and it's frustrating as member of congress that sits in judiciary committee that deals with immigration, i'm pretty keen on those issues and where they make it sound like they are for border security and the border is shut down when the border is wide open and they are actually putting policies in place to encourage more illegal immigration through giving benefits and taxpayer benefits to the illegals that they bring in and this money is to go to aid that, not to stop illegal immigration and they are even suing the -- the biden administration is suing states like arizona who is trying to plug the gaps in the wall. i mean, that's how ridiculous this is. maria: that's right, they don't want any upsets in that wide-open wall. it's amazing to me and -- and what where is this going? how do you see this playing out?

the supreme court says keep title 42 in place. we are waiting for a response from the biden administration. where does this go? will title 42 ultimate i will go away or not? >> well, thank god we have the u.s. supreme court right now that's a little bit of reason on some of the issues to be a backstop and with the spending, you know, you have a republican house coming in less than two weeks and we could be a stopgap to some of these things and you have the senate republicans working with democrats to pass the omnibus by the end of this week which is probably going to have some of the funding in it, we don't know because 4,000 pages got released last night at 2:00 a.m. so haven't had a chance to read through all of that but thank god we have a u.s. supreme court that is being some backstop to horrible open border policies of the biden administration. maria: well, who is going to be the backstop for your colleagues in the republican party who are going along with this? we understand that 4,000 pages to have omnibus bill was released at 3:00 o'clock in the

morning. obviously nobody has time to read it yet and they want you to sign onto it immediately. we don't know what's in it and it was also written by two senator who is are actually retiring. >> yeah, they are leaving. maria: takeover in two weeks. >> if the bill is going to pass, 11 days from friday is when republicans take the majority in the house and what the senate republicans and you made the good point, i think there's 3 of them that are leaving so their voters don't even have any accountability for what their actions are when we take the majority back eviscerating the power of house republicans for an entire year. this omnibus would be spending for all of next year and taking the power, one of the few powers that we have in the house is controlling the pursestrings. why in the world would any republican in the senate join with democrats to eviscerate the power of the house that we have in 11 days.

it makes absolutely no sense and frustrating for members like this who have fought for this majority. maria: real quick, i have to get to twitter and everything else and the collusion between the government and the media, but before we go on this subject, who specifically are the senators, republican senator who is are voting yes on this even though they haven't read it? mitch mcconnell says he sports it, shelby, tillis, you are probably going to have the phone call 252005 that are much more moderate and work with the dems on a lot of different issues so they have to get to ten and i'm calling on republican senators, if they don't get to 10, it doesn't pass and 11 days the house republican majority can get control and get more concessions out of the bill that's in there right now. think about the impact on inflation. additional $1.7 trillion we are going spend when we have the highest inflation that we've had in 40 years and it's because of the spending in washington.

it makes absolutely no sense. maria: well, voters should understand that's why we've got 40-year high inflation, that's why we have a wide-open border, that's why we have failed policies everywhere you look. it's the republicans who continue to agree with democrats to continue this insanity of what they call policy. so thank you for calling out all of those names. maybe they need to get a backbone. we've got to talk about your role on judiciary and what you plan to do about this collusion between fbi, doj and the media. we have elon musk exposing part 7 of the twitter files revealing that the intelligence community pressured news and social media outlets to discredit the evidence of influence peddling which was clear right from the biden laptop that the fbi had. they knew the truth that they had the laptop. they knew what was on it and yet they still tried to lie and discredit this and get all of the media to go along with it,

the ongoing fight over house speaker can hamper any republican investigation, however. what do you plan to do about it? congressman: well, what just blows my mind is this is the kind of thing that happens in venezuela or in cuba or in chinese communist china or in russia where the government, the security, the jury arm of the government is controlling speech for the country. it happened in america right here. thank god we took the house and we will get the gavels on january third and jim jordan and us in the judiciary committee, we will bring fbi agents and put them under oath and ask tough questions. there has to be accountability for this and the american people, the vial needs to be pulled back on what the fbi and the politicized doj has been doing to politicize and weponized our law enforcement agencies for political purposes. maria: so dangerous and i'm

wondering if this has put america in a vulnerable position because of the chinese communist party. we all know elvis chan, the fbi agent who was leading this collusion and pressure on media, he's the first-born american from a chinese family, his chinese parents immigrated from china. is there any reason to believe that he was also reporting to -- reason to believe that he was reporting to the ccp? >> those are questions when we start bringing in and asking those tough questions. we have compromised executive branch from joe biden that has compromised the communist party and through other investigations and other committees in the house, we will bring that information before the american people. maria: all right, congressman, we will be watching all of that, greg steube in florida, thank you, sir. quick break and treasury yields on the move as investors wait just how far the fed will go to raise rates an take the economy down.

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maria: welcome back, interest rates are moving higher this morning. take a look at treasury yields. 2 and the 10-year yields are up with ten-year sitting at 3.66% and the two-year at 4.283%. investors will be closely watching what the federal reserve's next move will be and, of course, that begins next year. the fed's next meeting set to begin january 31st, 2023. joining me right now is the bear trap report founder and new york times best-selling author larry mcdonald is here. larry, great to see you. thanks so much for being here. what's your takeaway on this move in rates? >> well, you know, we have the bank of japan finally kind of central banks distorting the capital for the last decade

since lehman and rates have moved up globally with inflation pressures so the bank of japan has made historic move overnight, absolutely historic. they are the global yield anchor and it's giving way. maria: yeah, let's talk about what the doj did because it's doubling it's cap on the ten-year yield from 25 to 50 basis points, larry. this move from the bank of japan strengthened the japan yen up over 3% versus the u.s. dollar but stocks sold off. tell me what the reaction to all about based on the doj's moves. >> well, because the doj was down there at 20 basis points and the rest of the world had drifted audiotape much higher in yields there was suppression of yield globally that's kind of an anchor that was -- was really coming out of the bank of japan's actions over the last year and now by them adjusting

up it's going to affect the cost of capital across the whole, you know, from high yield leverage loans, everything has to get adjusted a little bit. so we are kind of like the world is coming into a new higher yield regime that's more permanent. maria: okay, great analysis there. larry, you also think that the most important issue to focus on in 2023 is the cost of holding the debt, the interest expense showdown, you write over $10 trillion of u.s. treasuries mature in 2023 and 2024, a wall of bonds resetting at double the cost of capital, walk us through the importance of this larry. >> well, you know, maria, it really -- it tries the soul. i did my first interview with you when my book came out and over the years i've learned a lot, you talked about the way things work behind the scenes. it absolutely blows my mind that

we can have a fed meeting in the last ten dais and not one question, not one question is addressed to this issue which is probably the most important issue for '23, the message that the fed is always controlled by the fed, they have their ponds that ask the questions that they want and it blows my mind that we are on the doorstep of interest costs going from say 600 billion annual to potentially a trillion over the next 12 months because the fed is pumping up -- the fed is pounding their chest. we can take fed funds to 6%. it's complete garbage because they are going to wipe out hundreds of billions of dollars of discretionary spending in washington. maria: that's such a grate point -- great point. if the fed keeps the fund 45% for 12 months that's extra $230 billion in interest expands annually and you've got the fed suggesting higher for longer,

larry, are they not consider $31 trillion in debt? >> yeah, it's kind of like they are trying to fight inflation and pounding on chest and putting on a great show but the mathematics are stacked against them. just simple calculation. it was 8% in the last year. and now we are going to go 12, 13, 14, maybe 15% in the next months. when i was coming up in the business 20 years ago, discretionary versus nondiscretionary spending. think about mandatory spending now as far as the budget, so entitlements, interest costs, that's now like 70 to 75% of the budget and so when interest costs go up this much in a very short period of time because the fed is pushing on brakes, it's basically taking that small part of discretionary spending of the budget and wiping it out. over the next 12 months, this is

going to be the hot button issue in washington. you are going to see all kinds of politicians especially like elizabeth warren really coming down on the fed of what they have done to really -- that's going to wipe out, you talk about education spending, infrastructure, sciences, it's a major deal. maria: well, i want to ask you what it means for investors in the stock market because you write to clients, mandatory nondiscretionary spending is nearly 75% of the federal budget while the fed juices interest rates higher discretionary spending will experience a dramatic crowd-out in 2023 and 2024. stephanie pomboy is a regular guest and she's talking about all of this debt that's going to roll over for corporations in 2023. she's calling them zombie companies. what does that mean for the stock market, larry? >> we've had a long -- carl

icahn, and now interest rates go up dramatically and they stay higher for a period of time, then it just typically hits corporate earnings dramatically and so the street is still looking for $225 next year and that probably comes down to 210, 205 in terms of the earnings on the s&p 500. so that means, that's why the beast in the market is telling us something. as the fed has been more hawkish the market keeps drifting lower and lower because the market knows that earnings inside the s&p are getting hammered by interest costs and inflation. maria: that's right. look, many people say when you look at earnings growth in 2023 there's none except for the energy space, the oil companies are looking at growth but you can't really find growth

expectations for a lot of other sectors. >> yeah, that's why you want to start looking globally, merging market, bond fond, merging equities extremely cheap in the s&p. the s&p -- in the last week s&p was trading 18 times earnings, some of the globally equities in the uk, global value equities at 12, 13, 14 times much cheaper than the s&p. i think what we are seeing is a matriculation out of the u.s. into equities around the world. that's one thing. the other thing is just hard assets, talking about gold and silver, a lot of selling because they've had a bad year because the fed is pushing up rates. gold and silver got hammered. in the next 12 months, gold and silver, could be up 40, 50% in some of the hard asset categories as we move in 2023

and 2024. maria: thanks very much, we will be watching all of your conversations with all of the institutions and how you are positioning yourself. merry christmas to you, larry. thank you. >> thank you. thanks, maria. bye, bye. maria: larry mcdonald joining us. ceo of chevron mike worth calling for balance discussion on oil policy on this program yesterday, his comments on a windfall tax coming up. and then from our family to yours, merry christmas from the mornings with maria crew. here is our nat, stage manager, baby bella, nicky, one of our operators. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ what should the future deliver? (music) progress... (music) ...innovation... (music)

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market in order to bring stable prices which is what the economy would, you know, would benefit from. maria: and that was the chairman and ceo of chevron, mike worth joining me yesterday on this program discussing the so-called windfall tax democrats are pushing on energy producers profits as the u.s. is making a 4 billion-dollar profit on the 180 million-barrel emergency release from the strategic petroleum reserve. joining me andy lipaw, good to see you. also not taking their eye off the ball in their business with regard to petroleum. >> well, that's right and mrs. worth is correct when we think the windfall profits tax, we had one of those back in 1980 called the crude oil windfall profits tax and until it was repealed in 1988 we saw oil

production actually decline by 5% over those years. in california especially where they are imposing new regulations that are banning the sale of new cars and want to do with diesel carss requirements costing millions of dollars and may lead to shutdowns further exacerbating the supply situation that we see occurring in california over the years. maria: yeah, and it's also investment in this sector has been limited because of the pressure that this agenda is putting on banks, they don't want the banks to take on any new loans, any new business from the oil companies. you saw hsbc the other day say it's not going to invest in any new oil and gas. i don't think you have to worry about majors like exxon and chevron with enormous balance sheets in that regard but this

is certainly changing the way people approach investing in fossil fuels, isn't it? >> well, it certainly is especially for those independents that need to go out into the investment community to borrow funds in order to drill that next well. you know, we are seeing especially in refining side at the same time demand is to pre-pandemic levels. so what we do need is a balanced approach. when we do think about renewable fuels such as renewable diesel or sustainable aviation fuel, these are expensive alternatives photto -- fossil fuels and one g the consumer wants clean renewable energy no matter when it comes from.

dagen: the windfall because of the oil reserve sales, the way the math works out right now, washington sold 180 million barrels of crude averaging 96.25 a barrel, the market price right now about 74.29 a barrel. that's a -- that's $4 billion ahead for washington for the government really for all taxpayers. the question right now will that good news last as the wall street journal puts it? >> well, i don't think so. i expect that by next christmas we are going to see crude oil back at around $90 a barrel for a variety of reasons. one is we have been releasing strategic petroleum reserves to the tune of about a million barrels a day this year adding to world supply. on the other hand, we are seeing an easing of covid lockdowns in

china and full recovery while it may be many months off we will add an additional demand of another half a million barrels a day and meanwhile world oil demand continues to grow and expected to increase by about 1 and a half to 2% next year and all of this is happening at the same time that the world is looking for alternative supplies to the sanctions that are being put on russia. maria: all right. we will leave it there. andy, great analysis, good to see you sir. andy lipaow joining us on a market that's creeping back up. crude 76.19 this morning. quick break and then pharmacy chains across the country are limiting the sales of children's pain relief medicine. which stores are restricting the products and why coming up a live report. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ christian health care ministries is an organization

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makers of tylenol motrin the company najz products maybe harder to find a ropt did say we are not experiencing widespread shortages, but maria, parents are finding some pharmacies are sold out as major chains are now rationing supplies, a two products limit on all kids pain relief products bought through farmers online walgreens limiting purse of six products of children over the counter fever reducing products that limit does not apply in stores, kroger a grocery store stain limiting customers to two kids pain relief products i spoke with one doctor said consumer behavior is a big part of this parents with recent memory of shortages like toilet paper buying up all pain relevers they can find. >> sad i don't think all

people are buying, need all this i think a lot of hoarding going on, without a fever, this -- methods to address the fever like taking off clothing, cold compact soak in tub bath encouraging drinking cold artery or eating ipop could be handy shortages on pain relevers, expected to last throughout the rest of the cold and flu season. maria: what is the origins of this why so many shortages? >> a there are a couple reasons one s experts tell us they fast start to the flu season the rise in the respiratory viruses driving demand for o products another