going to do very well later on, let's say four, five months from now, because some of the trump changes are going to take effect. look, if this big tax bill is passed, this will be very, very good for emerging markets and the u.s. liz: mark mobius, wonderful to have you. i know you're hopping planes every second of your life, so we appreciate you stopping by and landing here on "the claman countdown." here we go, folks. yeah, we started to lose and then again we see that the dow, the s&p and the russell have turned into the red. nasdaq holds on to some gains. we are going to see you tomorrow. ♪ larry: hello, folks. welcome to "kudlow." i'm larry kudlow. donald trump and speaker johnson got one big, beautiful bill passed. now it heads to the to the senate. meanwhile, trump's polls are rising everywhere. small businesses are a big beneficiary. we've got sandra smith, taylor riggs and liz peek, ladies'

night out. they'll be here on set in just a moment, and california can no longer ban gas-powered cars, it's about time. senators shelley moore capito and mark wayne mull markwayne mullin waiting in the wings. we have sba administrator. kellyily leffler, and i like this a lot -- kelly loeffler, dhs cuts harvard off from enrolling foreign students. professor alan dershowitz on why anti-semitism is still a raging disgrace with a sickening murder at the jewish museum in washington, d.c. and some other things as well. but first up, fox news' chad pergram is live from capitol hill. what's the latest now? the bill's done, we go to the senate. how's that going to do? i'm afraid to ask. >> reporter: larry, good afternoon. that noise you hear coming from the north side of the u.s. capitol, that is the senate awakening from its legislative slumber.

the house squeaked out a victory for the president passing the big, beautiful bill 215-214 at the crack of dawn, but the drama shifts across the capitol rotunda. expect major changes. >> the senate's going to want to put its own stamp on this. i talked to the president about this last night, and his instructions were pretty clear, don't cut medicaid. he also said he'd like to see carried interest -- >> the that refers to the controversial way investment managers are taxed on their income. the goal is to pass the bill by july 4th. senators know that time frame is tough, especially with the senate out of session for more than a week. >> i think there's some opportunities for more efficiency, some more savings, and we have to look at the specifics of some of the renewable, the investment tax credits and production tack credits. you've got to think in terms of legislative time we'll have about five legislative weeks on the outside between now and july the 4. >> reporter: now wisconsin

senator ron johnson disagreed with the legislative strategy of doing one bill. he preferred two bills. the president wants this done fast. >> i couldn't care less if he's upset. i'm concerned about my children, my grandchildren and the fact that we are stealing there them. from them. he's going -- to have to embrace, i think, a smaller beautiful bill and then another beautiful bill. >> reporter: here's the senate math. there are 53 republicans. they can lose 3 and still pass the bill with vice president vance breaking a tie. but there are 3 nos already, and they must court moderates like lisa murkowski and susan collins. larry? larry: all right, pilgrim. thank you ever so much, we appreciate it. next up, fox news' david spunt live in washington d.c. david, this horrific, horrific killing last night, what can you tell us? >> reporter: hi, larry, good to be with you.

no question, a tragedy of large proportions. it happened at the capital the jewish museum behind me of after 9 p.m. yaron lischinsky and his soon to be fiance sarah milgrim both gunned down. the suspect, his name is elias rodriguez. he's in custody. he's in federal court this hour. any moment we're going to learn those federal charges that he's facing in these two deaths. police have been combing through his apartment in chicago, larry. they've also been looking through writings they believe that he authored to try to come together and find out a little bit more about why this happened. as for the victims, let's focus on them here. yaron lischinsky and sarah milgrim, she an american citizen, he israeli. authorities say or family members, i should say, indicate that he was getting ready to propose to her in israel soon and introduce her to his family.

as i mentioned, it happened just after nine last night, just right across the street from the fbi washington field office. here is video, larry, moments after the shooting when the suspect walked into the museum. >> free, free palestine! >> reporter: now, we spoke to a witness who says this tragedy points to a larger problem in this country. >> i want people to know that anti-semitism and hate is very real in this country, and i'd say this is the first time in my life i've experienced something to this texts -- extent this horrid, this sick, and i just hope justice is served. and i hope this never happens to any innocent family again in this country. >> reporter: and we're seeing it happen, larry, on college campuses across the country particularly last year and this year. in fact, columbia's president was booed yesterday. some people were burning

diplomas at columbia university, that's really been a hot spot for the free palestine movement and the anti-semitic movement in the united states. so the department of justice has been really focusing on columbia with. but as for the victims, yaron lischinsky's father spoke to our trey yingst in israel and said the following about his son and sarah. he said, quote: they were in love, one for the other. the embassy told us they were like a star couple at the embassy. i never expected something like this. he had his whole life before him attorney general pam bondi promising that justice will be served here, and it's important to point out that under this justice department the federal death penalty is now back on the table. larry? larry: well, that is very good news. david spunt, thank you for that great report. ♪ larry: all right. we're going to get back to the economics and the big, one big bill and the tax cuts and all

the rest of it, but i want to say, first or president trump is gradually winning the culture wars but much more must be done, and that that's the subject of the riff. thankfully, president trump is making good progress if the culture wars by overturning joe biden's crazy dei, trans and other woke policies. but with we still have a long way to go. the murders at the jewish museum many washington, d.c. last nigh. last night are an absolutely horrible, sickening, heartbreaking development. the israeli diplomatic couple who were about to get engaged to be married, killed in front of the museum by some crazy person screaming out "free palestine" is an utterly depraved act. then you have the anti-semitic hatred at the columbia university graduation exercises. anti-israeli graduates and talking to us of others not even part of columbia turned the commencement into a circus. and even though columbia has

acquiesced to many of president trump's demands such as cracking down on mask wearing, 'em pa powering campus police to make arrests and creating some kind of academic receivership for the middle eastern studies department, nonetheless, columbia's lame-brain, acting president claire shipman incited chaos by telling a crowd estimated at 37,000, quote, i know many in our community are mourning the absence of our graduate mahmoud khalil. end quote. really? this guy was a leader of anti-israel groups before he was arrested and thrown into jail in louisiana. jewish students were incensed at shipman's statement. mourning, quote-unquote? is he dead, asked a columbia undergraduate. what about the hostages who were dead? why isn't shipman mourning them regarding the israelis captured, of course, on the october 7th hamas atrocities.

large parts of the crowd started booing shipman, and rightly so. after what's gone on at columbia, the former journalist's statement was pure insanity. meanwhile, elite university leader of the trump resistance -- namely, harvard -- finally got their comeuppance. homeland security secretary kristi noem today ordered dhs to terminate harvard or university's student and exchange visitor program certification. her statement explicitly blamed anti-american, pro-terrorist agitators for harassing and physically assaulting individuals including many jewish students. if harvard's anti-semitic behavior wasn't bad enough, it turns out they have been in bed with the chinese communist party including, get this, hosting and training members of a ccp paramilitary the group complicit in the uighur genocide.

so secretary noem's mandate that harvard can no longer enroll foreign students and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status altogether, well, good for kristi noem. but all this craziness has somehow got to stop. and if nothing else, it still shows that the trump administration is going to have to fight the culture wars even harder. and that's the riff. all right. i guess we'll get back to economics now. [laughter] something like that. joining me we have the great sandra smith, co-anchor of "america reports" on fox news. we have the equally great liz peek, syndicated columnist and fox news contributor, and the even greater taylor riggs, cohost of "the big money show," right here on fabulous fox business. sandra, just give me a quick one, your thoughts on these -- the murders in washington, d.c., the stupidity of claire shipman at columbia and harvard in bed

with chinese communist party. really, you can't make this stuff up. >> at least you've got an administration calling all of this what it is, i think that's the bottom line, and i think that's the response i got from every single guest that we brought on to our program on that today. what happened last night was absolutely horrific and never happen again. we've got to put a stop to this and, you know, there are jewish people all over the world now who say that they are unsafe wherever they go, and now right in our nation's capital that is the case. and that is appalling. the disruptions at columbia and our college campuses, the universities let this go on far too long, and that's why we are where we are today. this move with harvard now and stopping -- larry: the leader of the resistance, harvard university. started in the 17th century. >> -- is put in place right now that voters put in place to call this what it is, call it out and put a stop to it, and i think there's a lot of hope that we'll eventually turn a corner. but our hearts and our prayers are with that sweet couple that was about to be engaged, we're

told. larry: that's right. no, that's what i heard. liz, you know, you can't make the stuff up. i mean, trump's working hard, and he's doing what he can. and he's very popular for it. but it still cons. >> yeah. larry: you have crazy people doing this stuff -- still continues. look, the couple that was murdered is just the most sickening, heartbreaking thing. okay. but claire shipman, former journalist, president of columbia, that is the stupidest, most insane thing. she's mourning the fact that their grad student wasn't there? i mean, you have, these are columbia that's gone through all kinds of riots and anti-semitism, and you had how many people were killed on october 7th, 1200, 1300 people? how many hostages were taken, many hundreds and still haven't been returned, many of whom died, and she's mourning the fact that this jerk who led the anti-semitic, anti-israel thing was thrown into a jail in louisiana and couldn't make the graduation? really? >> yeah. i mean, imagine if you had saved

and gymed as a famty -- scrimped as a family to send your kid to columbia. they was a celebration to sell rah brace their achievement, and you had these anytime wits burning their diplomas, pushing and shoving, making life miserable for everybody especially who? people who support gaza, palestinians, who, by the way, as you say, perpetrated one of the most atrocious acts in the history of the world, this horrible slaughter of 1200 jew s. there is a direct line, dot, dot, dot, from those protests which have not been stopped across the country of all these elite universities and what happened washington d.c. it is okay now to be anti-semitic. larry, you and i know that that if you had told us 30 years ago that anti-semitism was kind of okay or being anti-israel was okay, it would be like telling young people now that it's okay to be anti-black. it is absolutely not okay in

either case, but somehow colleges have not educated these kids to understand what's really going on in gaza with the palestinians and is with the israelis. and that is their fault. larry: i would just say, as i have many times in the last couple years in this spot here on this set, that this dei business that was perpetrated, it didn't start with biden. it started with obama. but the bidens took it to the nth power was the progenitor of the anti-semitism wave, okay? it was the progenitor. one led to the other. these middle eastern departments and whatever they call themselves, middle eastern this and that, who -- a, who needs 'em and, b, that's where so much of the trouble is. and, again, i'm glad harvard got its ears pinned back once again. i hope they lose every single nickel they get from the federal government, etc., etc. we have dershowitz coming on later, and we'll talk some more about in this, so i'm going to

spare you -- i'm going to ask you the mundane thing -- [laughter] >> oh, no. larry: how good is this one, big beautiful bill -- >> you omitted the beautiful in your open. larry: i know, i was flustered. i just finished writing this other -- >> i didn't know if that was a personal thing. larry: no, i was in a furor over this other thing. one big, beautiful bill, tax cuts, deregulation, a lot of things in the bill. we have, i think, a full screen showing some of the main economic items in this thing. maybe we'll get it up before too long. but -- there we are. >> good list, good start. not perfect. larry: nobody can see it. >> not everything perfect, and i'd like to see it, but good enough. a big victory. ing some of the things that that we love, no tax on tips, no tax on overtime. i qualify for a trump baby account this year, so, sure, i'll take it -- [laughter] even though not always a huge fan of that, but that's fine. at least it's not a handout, it's an investment.

i can get behind that. don't always love the increase in the s.a.l.t. i'd love to see more pending cuts. but -- spending cuts. but, larry, you and i have had a little back and forth on this, and you have come to convince me, as you always do -- larry: sometimes. >> -- growth eventually will outweigh any lack of spending cuts that i wish we would have more of. is so i like that it is a pro-growth agenda, and this is absolutely something that the economy and businesses need. i love that you have the chamber of commerce come out in big support and the national federation of independent businesses also come out in big support. that is a sign that businesses and workers and american people like what they see. larry: some of the stuff in there is great for big business and small business. i mean, the depreciation stuff, the 100% expensing, the effective 5% tax rate -- 15% tax rate for made in america, factories written off in year one which is very cool. and the other thing is, sandra smith, the economy is in much

better shape than people think. donald trump -- >> federal reserve chair said that. larry: donald trump's polls are in excellent -- the guy's running nearly 50% approval ratings or close to it in a number of, i'm going to say, reputable polls as opposed to phony polls from certain newspapers if that i won't mention like "the new york times" and the washington post d. >> we won't mention that. larry: there we go, i said it again. >> it's always democrats screaming debt bomb. this offers more spending restraint -- larry: right, than anything we've seen. >> -- than anything we saw from any biden democrat, hello. larry: sandra smith, thank you. you should visit us more often. [laughter] >> growth always wins the day. how can you not argue the extension of the 2017 tax cuts is going to win the day? it puts more money back in workers' pockets. kevin hassett was just with on a short time ago saying in this puts $1700 back in the average worker's wallet when it comes to no tax on tips, no tax on

overtime, that puts $17000 back into that worker's -- 1700, you can't argue this isn't a growth-friendly bill, but there are certainly aspects that could have been better, quite clearly. larry: well, of course. they have to slice that salami down there, you know what i mean? liz, i think that's why bond rates have gone up. >> oh, yeah. [laughter] they're not going up because of -- larry: they're not going up because of deficits or because foreigners are deserting us. the economy is in better shape than people thought. >> i think it's a combination. i think the moody's thing kind of rattled people, but to sandra's point, where have people been? the step-up in big spending didn't happen in the last hundred days, it happened under biden with that preposterous $1.9 trillion american rescue -- which we didn't need the rescue. america was doing just fine when they passed that bill. not letting a crisis go to waste is sort of the mantra of the democrat party, and they used it over and over again under joe biden. i am hopeful, rust vote came out

today talking about -- rust vote said how -- russ vought came outside to the, that is just as important as trimming an entitlement program or anything else. those are real cuts in real spending, so let's hope that -- and, please, lord, do not let the senate screw this up. [laughter] larry: you know, you can get your 3% growth, which i think is a very reasonable assumption, and it will wipe out so much of the deficit in the next 10 years under these -- now, these are all crazy 10-year estimates. nobody knows how that's going to work, but given that game that's played in washington, and i've played it a few times myself -- [laughter] >> you have. larry: -- you plug in 3% growth, you pick up several trillions more in revenues, if revenues, okay? which is really a wonderful thing because that's what we got the last time from the 2017 bill. >> amen. march somebody should do away with the cbo, congressional budget office, altogether. but i don't want to fret about that so much. i'm just saying people i read

bond rates are going up, stocks are going down, the dollar's going down because the deficit's too high. it's nonsense -- >> the stock market's going down. larry: oh, really? [laughter] we'll put you on the list of e-mails? >> back above the liberation day levels. larry: and, by the way, the rising stock market, i think, sensible trump pivot on tariffs, his very, successful trip to the middle east where he's bringing home the bacon for about a couple trillion dollars' worth and about 15 or 25 american companies, now, that's not in the cbo estimates either. this stuff's all holding together pretty nicely here. >> and finally gas prices are coming down too, just in time for memorial day. larry: i was looking for that, why is it still $3.18? >> i don't know, karoline leavitt said today they're going to get it down to $3.04, i thin- larry: this was an estimate by a certain service. >> it's down about 60 directs -- >> -- cents.

larry: but i'm all for it. i actually met last evening with a major oil company ceo who said oil prices are going into the 50s. >> oh. is that good or bad for them in. [laughter] [inaudible conversations] larry: he can make money at $35. >> that's good to know. all right, there you go. larry: that's really good. are you all happy now? >> you got me over my worry about my debt to gdp ratio. [laughter] so, fine, larry wins. i'm all up in arms about the ratio. you said ignore the ratio -- larry: all all that stuff, gdp is going to come down, deficits to gdp, debt to gdp and, anyway, debt is as american as apple pie. >> you say that. larry: it's the most wonderful thing in the world. alexander hamilton, where are you now that we need you? [laughter] >> larry, larry, larry -- >> -- also say it's not a $4 trillion -- larry: liz peek, sandra smith, taylor riggs, ladies' night out. catch sandra on "america

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larry: all right, the battle over anti-semitism continues. mr. trump is making headway on the culture wars, but the problem continues. let's talk about it with our friend alan dershowitz, professor emeritus at harvard law school, author of the brand new book, if prevent ty state -- the pretend -- preventive state. thank you. the absolutely heartbreaking and tragic murder of the israeli diplomatic couple in washington, d.c., heartbreaking and tragic. the dingbat columbia president who was mourning the fact that the anti-israel, anti-semitism -- anti-semitic grad student was in jail in

louisiana not at the columbia graduation. and that may be a good thing9. harvard just got slapped down pretty hard by kristi noem at department of homeland security. they're in -- besides their anti-semitism problems, as it turns out they're in bed with the chinese communists. i almost don't know where to begin, professor dershowitz, so i'm going to let you carry the balk, sir. what do you think about all this? -- the ball, sir. >> well, i predicted, in my book i actually predicted the shooting. i say in the book based on my experience representing protesters in the '50s, '60s and '70s, i know that when you permit riots and demonstrations and taking people hostage the way columbia university did with two janitors, when you permit harassment, the hine between that and going out and getting a gun and shooting will quickly disappear. and so these people who president simpson is bemoaning aren't on campus are actually

one of the causes of these murders. and then you get ilhan omar, the congresswoman who won't condemn the killing. and we get groups, groups at universities praising october 7th and praising these killings. and so there is a direct relationship between what's going on on campuses and these shootings. and in the preventive state, my new book, i create a jurisprudence for how you can stop these things from the happening, how you can stop presidential assassinations, how you can predict all kinds of violence, how you can prevent iran from from developing nuclear weapons which will kill millions of people. we need to use intelligence, artificial intelligence, human intelligence to predict and prevent these horrors before hay happen. it's not enough to react to them after they happen. larry: what -- give me a for instance. you know, our great reporter david spunt mentioned with respect to this tragic shooting

many washington of this beautiful young couple who, as you may know, were engaged to be married married or were about to be engaged to be married -- >> right. larry: anyway, the jus have disdepartment -- justice department, a.g. pam bondi, this will be a federal crime which makes it eligible for capital punishment. i just wonder if this is in your mix of solutions. >> well, of course. i mean, obviously, the death penalty deters, that's one of the reasons hamas captures and holds hostages is to free terrors who haven't been executed. empirically, the death penalty works, torture sometimes works. the question is a moral one, whether we want to go there, whether we want to engage in that kind of life taking. but the stakes are very high, and if we could have prevented 9/11 by arresting or even confining and deporting, and remember, we're focusing on

deportation. i write about deportation if my book because it's the oldest form of prevention. we called it exile in the bible -- larry: yes. >> if you think somebody's about to kill you, you exile them. if somebody's about to kill you, rise up and kill them first. so we have to move if much more toward prevention, using art artificial intelligence but preserving civil liberties. the subtitle is very important, the challenge of preventing serious arms while preserving essential liberties, and that's what benjamin franklin did. those who would give up a little bit of liberty to protect against massive harms, that's the right kind of trade-off to make. and we need to have a jurisprudence. and this is the first book ever to create and suggest a jurisprudence for where we're really going now toward prevention. because we have to prevent. we can't wait until these harms occur. larry: yes, sir. professor dershowitz, thank you for making time for us today on

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california. >> yeah, but new york is one of those states that had decided to join in -- larry: ah, right! >> so, you know, these things lack common sense, larry. i mean, really, next year, 2026, 35% of the vehicles that are going to be sold in these 12 states plus the district of columbia are going to be electric vehicles? they even exclude hybrids from that kind of category. so this was something that would really, i think, change our economy, 30% of our economy, eliminate choice, and it's just another example of really the extremes to which the biden administration would go on their green agenda, quite frankly, without looking at the economic impacts. larry: but, you know, okay, you said it and a little lightbulb went off in my little head. i'm just thinking now all those west coast states, i consider them all california, oregon, washington, california, whatever else -- arizona, god help them, they're all like california, you know what i mean? they can't do that either.

you've stomped them out a too. and then probably the new england state, new york, massachusetts, i don't know about connecticut. you tell me. that's the most wonderful thing i've heard. >> no. right. larry: that's fantastic. >> yeah. new jersey, delaware, not connecticut, not connecticut, interestingly. vermont. and so, yes, we stopped them from joining -- we stopped the california waivers from moving forward which is the ev mandate. here's another interesting fact about this. california applied for this in may of 2023. the biden administration did not grant this until after they were defeated, the democrats were defeated in december. why? because they know politically it's unsavory to the voting public. they knew it would be an election issue, and so they held it to then. and i, i just think i'm really proud of the way we pulled together and were able to get this across the finish line. larry: i think, correct me if i'm wrong, but carmakers like gm

which practically bet the ranch on electric vehicles and ford, they back ad you on this. they wanted to get rid of the the waiver too -- >> absolutely. larry: -- so they don't have to make all these different kind of cars, i guess. but they're losing hand over fist on the evs by o to anyway. >> exactly. and when they're losing money, what's happening? people are losing jobs. a. larry: yes. >> people in the auto industry are losing jobs. so, yes, the auto industry backed taking away the ev mandate, and you can see they've pulled back on the manufacturer. why? because -- on the manufacture. why? consumer choice. electric vehicles don't work everywhere. they don't, i mean, they don't perform, people don't want them in certain areas of the country because they don't match what the needs are. and i believe in consumer choice. i don't think we should be driving consumers to products through rules that are made up at the epa. larry: i agree. look, i'm not against them. >> no. larry: i'm with you, consumers

want to buy them. but the government subsidize it. >> no. larry: that's the the issue. and because then everybody's supposed to pay for it, and that's wrong. >> right. larry: this is a big win. i just wanted -- glad you could come on because the big, beautiful bill passed, and that's a good thing in my humble opinion, but no one's really looking at this waiver business. and i just didn't know all these states are in the soup now if. >> yes. larry: what a wonderful thing. senator, is this really -- [laughter] pardon my, this is one of your greatest wins. [laughter] >> thank you, yeah. it -- we feel very good about it, and i think it's going to make, you know, it's back to common sense here. larry: yeah. >> there was no common sense in this, in these mandates. and the american public knows this. it's a very unpopular -- if you poll it, it's very unpopular. they know that. but, you know, economically it doesn't make sense, and let's let, let's let people a make their own choices, and california can take their other 11 states and figure something

else out that makes more sense. larry: yeah. they can all party together. [laughter] ty anyway, great stuff. senator shelley moore capito, thank you, ma'am. we appreciate it. >> thanks, larry. larry: now my great pal, david webb, fox news contributor and great radio host and siriusxm radio, the david webb show -- >> and occasionally on "the larry kudlow" show. larry: we love having you. i want to look back, you know, it's a rather la dubuque rouse story, but all this anti-semitism, the horrible shooting of the beautiful couple, the israeli dip to lo mats who were going to get engaged to be married, we have that, the disruption of the columbia graduation, this just utterly stupid interim president, shipman, former journalist of cnn among other credits to her resumé talking about mourning the loss of the head anti-semite who's now in jail in louisiana where he belongs, and then comes along this harvard story. now, the harvard story which is

also a heavy anti-semitic story, harvard's become the head of the resistance to trump now. but in this story it deserves recognition, they were training chinese communist party paramilitary people to attack the uighurs and other things? what -- do you know much about this? this is incredible to me. harvard university? >> it's incredible, but it's not unbelievable anymore. a couple things in play here. one, you've got the id idealogues at harvard, the far left. remember, they were also anti-asian at one point. that went right up the court system. but you've got money, that's the other thing. if they keep going at this rate and this hits about a 30% level of foreign students, that's an over $450 million. there's a lot of foreign students who pay fully and in cash. so there's the money side of it. larry: foreign governments too was in there or foreign governments. the chinese communist --

>> chinese communist party. foreign students as a whole tend to pay a larger percentage -- ash march cash. right. >> so now you're talking $that that -- 450 million and all the fees, and they're almost there right now, the student population. you add the ideology to that, so you get greed, you get ideology, not stupidity. this is deliberate behavior by a very far-left and entrenched group at harvard. i had high school friends who went to harvard. i know people who went to harvard when it was fairly reasonable -- larry: when was that? >> in the '80s and '90s. [laughter] that's gone. it is gone. larry: i think its best days were in the 17th century. >> well, yeah -- larry: harvard has a long, whether it's deserved or not, i'm not an expert on this, but with i just want to say harvard has a long tail of a reputation for being anti-semitism tick -- anti-semitic and always putting

a lid are on the volume of jewish, the undergraduate college. that's always been their reputation. i don't know, i can't prove if it, i'm not if an expert, but that's been following them around. so i'm not shocked at any of this this stuff. >> none of this should shock us. what's great is that the administration has stepped into this. larry: yes. >> somebody has to tell harvard that your leftist and elitism combined are dangerous for america. and, by the way, haven't we learned yet, didn't we learn from training, you know, communist biologists at the galveston lab we shouldn't be training communists to do anything related to something bioweapons targeted at any particular group or otherwise? harvard is another one of these institutions that has lost any sense of way. you have students from iran coming in. not refugees who want to come over, they're just letting the iranian government -- larry: i've got a hard break. you've got to get ready for your

show. david is -- what are you on? >> "the bottom line" at six. larry: "the bottom line" with dagen mcdowell. fabulous david webb, thank you very much. what are you doing for radio this weekend? >> i think i'm on with the larry kudlow -- >> i'm going to book you right here on the set. coming up, senator markwayne mullin. stick with "kudlow." i love to book right here on air, live tv. ♪ ahhhh! sally, great pair of lungs. shame about your swollen gums. you need parodontax. clinically proven to help reverse 4 signs of early gum disease. parodontax, the gum experts. ruri: ichi, ni, san, shi... (1,2,3,4...) hina: ichi, ni, san, shi... (1,2,3,4...) akari: ichi, ni, san, shi... (1,2,3,4...) others: ichi, ni, san, shi... (1,2,3,4) ♪

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♪ >> i couldn't care less if he's upset. i'm concerned about my children, my grandchildren and the fact that we are stealing from them. he's going to have to embrace, i think, a smaller beautiful bill and then another beautiful bill. larry: well, there you have it from one senator, mr. johnson, now let's talk to oklahoma senator, mr. markwayne mullin. thank you, sir. you know, i just was kind of sorry to see senator johnson be that dogmatic, but let me ask you, i mean, is there a plot being hatched to break up the one big, beautiful bill into several different bills? >> no, i don't think so, larry. let -- we've had this debate. as you know, larry, we've been talking about the reconciliation

literally since the november if election, and everybody's had their opportunity to have input. ron johnson's had his opportunity to have input, lindsey graham, i've had my input, rick scott, mike lee, susan collins, mitch mcconnell, even john thune. everybody's had their opportunity to have input in this bill, and we're going to continue. the one bill, one big, beautiful bill president trump had made a play call. he said this is what he wants. we debated it. the house has now passed it, they gave it to us. we could sit here and decide to break it up, but why would we tear down the frame that the house has already built? why don't we take it? if we've got to repaint the interior walls, that's fine, but at the end of the day, we're going to vote on reconciliation that the american people want, and it may not be a perfect bill, but we've negotiated it, we've talked about it, we've had conferences on it, we've that talked about it in our committees. when it goes to the floor, every member is going to have two

choices and that's it. you don't have a contingency plan, you have two choices. you're going to either vote for the bill and say i'm going to move forward with what the american people want and move into the trump era policies, or i'm going to to say, hey, you know what? the government's running good, we're going to stay put and say we'd rather stay with biden era a policies because that's your choices. that that's it. a or b. and we can't allow perfection to get in the way of good because this is a better bill than what we're currently working with. larry: you know, senator, i think there's a miracle, maybe a minor miracle, but nonetheless, that speaker johnson, mike johnson, got this thing done by memorial taker okay? he met his timetable. it's really something. and i think americans are impressed by that. now, senator thune has said july th. he said it -- july 4th, he came on set kindly and said july 4th. he said it also. i mean, i think it'd be a hell of a thing if you met that that

deadline and would be -- in other words, the public would see that this republican congress, house and senate, is doing what they're meant to do, they're getting stuff done on time, they're getting important stuff. we just had senator cap toe on, the waiver's been defeated, gas plaintiff-powered cars are alive and well -- gas-powered cars. i think you'd be making a great statement. and, of course, people don't want their taxes to go up also, but i just think you'd be making a great statement, get the one bill out july 4, what the heck, why not? >> we can. the american people have been patient too. we've got constituents wanting us to pass this thing tomorrow. our two chambers operate completely different. so we have to deal with the byrd rule, what i call the byrd bath. it's got to come over here and get scrubbed. we've got almost 1100 pages that we have to go through line by line, and here's why that's important, because if we were to bring this bill with to the floor as it is and the parliamentarian rules that it doesn't fit underneath the byrd

rule, it can't fit underneath p reconciliation. reconciliation was reconciled in 1990 which basically said we can do reconciliation with a slim majority as long as it fits within the byrd rule which is taxes and government spending, and we can do it with a simple majority of 511. if it doesn't fit -- 51. if it doesn't fit, we have to go through the appropriation process which says we've got to have 60. so we have to go through it before we can get started, and i think if president trump really leans on this which i'll be talk to him tomorrow at the white house about it, i think if he really leans in on it, we can maybe, maybe do it before july 4th, but july 4th is a -- i mean, it's a tough target the because if the senate doesn't work fast but, larry, i think we can get it done for the american people. larry: all right. senator mullen, thank you. it's a very ambitious and4h wonderful thing.r send my best regards to theic president, sir and gooe d luck o you. prevention with just one pill a day.

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larry: so listen to pro-growth, one big, beautiful bill. it's a terrific thing. but, my god, the culture wars, murdering a beautiful jewish couple, israeli couple like that and all the things with anti-semitism, i'm afraid we've got more work to do on the cultural front. anyway, liz macdonald's going to take the baton from me and carry it wherever. liz -- elizabeth: couldn't -- larry, i could not agree with wow nor. -- you more. great to see you. welcome to "the evening edits," i'm elizabeth macdonald. >> on day one