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relieved they are. they are tearing down all of the qaddafi posters and pulling down all of the green. there are bullets every where i have to tell you as people fire into the air in celebration. there are a number of destroyed cars on the perimeter of the square and it looks as though there has been some kind of a battle where the rebels are clearly very much in control of the square right now. >> very much in control of the square right now. alex crawford of sky news our correspondent on the scene. she has done a magnificent job and courage some of the best war correspondents on earth happen to be women. really amazing job. our process producer is live in libya.
i would love to be able to say it's all over but the surrender -- we can say rebel forces in libya now appear to be firmly in control of the center of tripoli the capitol muammar gaddafi the long time dictator even as he exported terror to the rest of the world has disappeared his whereabouts unknown. what do you know anything about the whereabouts of the man who terrorized his people now for four decades plus two? >> geraldo the whereabouts of muammar gaddafi who has been in charge so long anybody's guess really. i can tell you one thing the scene changed so dramatically it went from very dangerous to tense and now it is plain erie. 20 minutes ago a british television crew turned up at the hotel we said how on earth? the drive into the hotel was spooky. they said there's nothing about
buildings burning but around the hotel meant nothing. but we are like kids in a candy score. the close scrutiny when -- we have begun going around the hotel finding interesting things. there is massive journalists that indicates what we wrote and communications basically moni r monitored this is confirmation we were working under this close scrutiny. you have this vehicle that has been abandoned with the rockets and boots ammunition spread all around but absolutely nobody. it is quite an astonishing scene here. >> i would image very dangerous also. you click the safety off you
pull the trigger and you have yourself an unguided missile. it sounds to me that it could be the worse is still to come in terms of violence there in the center of tripoli. >> without a doubt geraldo. i am being told the crews in the green square have been told to leave simply because the rebels are saying they can't guarantee their safety. when we uncovered these rockets they are still wandering around the hotel because they are irritated very awning gree not confrontational. there are these pockets in the city still where these holdsouts refuse to cap pit late they don't see the writing on the wall and they are going to battle to the bitter end. the government spokesperson ibrahim said today some of these people are so deeply intwined with the gaddafi regime to them there is no way out. it is just all the unknown with the rebels really. they are going to duke it out
until the bier end. >> also said they claimed over a thousand casualties civilians dead in the last 24-hours of the nato offensive. that seems totally unrealistic does it not? >> he said many things. somewhere under there there might have been a grain of truth. he said 365 people died the first night of finding on saturday when the up rising first began planned for months when everyone was breaking fast and soldiers would have been preoccupied with getting food after a long day of fasting. that was obviously very well coordinated. he was telling us to do open executions happening with up to 30 people who have been sympathized vocal for the regime had been taken out of their homes in recent days and executed.
you haven't seen any evidence of that on any of the media coverage coming into us and that you are seeing in america. you would think if this was going on then surely we would be seeing it on our television screens. journalists don't turn their back on that kind of thing. somewhere along the line you have to glean the truth from what you have been told. i think both sides have been guilty in this particular conflict over the last six or seven months. they made -- the government made claims it's very hard to believe anything you hear from either side sometimes. >> i am going to go to four star general in just a second. is state television still on the air in tripoli? are you still watching the official state television in tripoli? >> geraldo, you are going to like this. they are showing state television. in the basement of this very building that i am speaking to you from is a studio the likes of which you and i both wish we would have.
amazing facilities. they were broadcasting the propaganda from there the whole way through this. spokesperson was named the fled. the state tv is still on but they are showing reruns of the human shields who were putting themselves around his compound. >> now to the aforementioned four star general retired fox news military contributor. general -- colonel, i can't promote him. do you have general keaton? there he is. this thing took a long time. it took six months. if this had gone down in the first couple days after tunisia, it would have been one thing. but in six month adding to the beats that they have had historically you have a lot of people killed and property
destroyed, a lot of bitter feelings here, are you worried about the possibility of a bloodbath right now? >> you have to be. this is an important transition period if this plays out as expected that qaddafi has really given up his role as dictator of libya those military forces he had collapsed because of that this transition will hopeful lilla and order and stability is critical. don't lose control of the streets. we don't want to see general looting. we certainly don't want to see a general sense of lawlessness or revenge killings as we have seen in other places. this is going to be a test of the unity and leadership of the rebel organization and its ability to maintain control of its population. >> would you say, general, that this is the time we should have boots on the ground? not the united states. i am firmly against that but maybe french maybe italians. the italians probably do a third
of the foreign trade with libya. >> it would be a role to play with security forces to help establish some stability, but i think that is their call. if they feel they need to do that or if they put the stree p back out on the streets to maintain law and order. that is something they need to make judgment about. >> in terms of celebrating or being fearful which side of the fence do you sit tonight? >> i am pretty optimistic. this is a big set back for radical islam. there is nobody in the streets advocating their ideology. quite frankly they want the big two ideas that come from the west democracy and capitalism. that is good news. you certainly don't want to be encouraging people in syria to continue to fight after they see what has happened here. so i think it's mostly positive. we will see what they transition
to in terms of their capacity to maintain law and order and stability and also their capacity to govern at some point. those in the southern israeli border during the mubarak days that was -- quietest border now you have hijackings and terrorist attack. you have to be careful what you wish for. not that we don't want a transition to democracy. we do want that but what we don't want is transition to an eye rainian st style religious government that just hates the west particularly the united states. we will continue our comprehensive coverage of tripoli the crumbling of the qaddafi regime military civilians and experts in washington and on the scene. the world exclusive i am going to bring you up to date on the travels of casey anthony.
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>> colonel bill cowan just below me. they should reverse that i am a private. colonel before i get to you i want to read part of the statement from the president. the future of libya is in the hands of the people in the united states will continue to stay close coordination with transitional national council. th we will continue to insist the basic rights of the libyan people are respected. we will continue to work with our allies and partners in the international community to protect the people of libya and support a peaceful transition to democracy that from the president of the united states who you know is vacationing. >> colonel bill cowan you have
been around long enough we have seen the fall of many cities in cairo the tune in to tunisia. saigon back in the day what happens when w sidney? >> i remember saigon. just like tripoli they fell rare quickly. things kinds of turned quickly. there was chaos for a while. in the case of saigon the sri et come came in with a death grip on the city. they held off people that were never seen again. what is interesting in this case is the president said and everybody in nato wants there to be a peaceful a careful transition but when we were fighting gaddafi we knew what the targets were and nato could strike at them. the sides can't get together now
who do we strike at? they try to get sorted out hopefully not but indeed there are killings revenge killings going on. we didn't support this effort for those kinds of things to happen. we a we are not going to be able to play a roll and stop them without a security force. >> general mcinerney is right. i pointed out nato did a lot of the heavy lifting. they did the strikes and all of the rest to make it happen it would not happen but for us. it was a good thing the president was involved to the extent that he was. was it a violation that he should not have? >> i think a couple of things. one what is done is done. now the question is what happens
next. now a lot of moments do you do the jimmy carter model where you say it's up to the iranians do we get involved? do we sit back and hope for the best? what we ended up with was the ayatollahs. or do you do what reagan did you see it coming the iron curtain goes down. you don't tell them what to do but you give them the tools to over come their government. over 40 years it has been run by dictators. they have no experience running a country. >> unlike the soviet bure rats they have no government in libya. >> it was a cult. there is no military no police force that is independent. all of the institutions need to be created pronto. you don't have a better life for a lot of people you will have dissatisfaction and that's
wherein sur again sees come. >> we are pleased to say the price of oil looks like it's stable. they are giving me the future of the crisis it looks like $83 a barrel pretty good. looks like the price of gas is going to go down. >> that is because the markets are anticipating they will be back on the market big time the tenth largest producer of oil that is pro enreserves but they are the 17th producer a huge gap between potential production and what they are actually able to produce. they will view libyan oil which is sweet easy to get at. this can all be very good news for oil if stability is restored. >> it all depends on what happens tomorrow obviously?
>> everything depends on leadership, geraldo. >> again let me go to captain chuck nash. one thing about level lugs, it is hard to fight armies it's easy to blow up stuff. easy to blow up pipelines easy to be disruptive. easy to be anarchists. is that the fear captain nash? >> it is one of the prime factors. up until this point this has been a rag tag bunch of guys who have been kidded one automatic weapons and automatic aircraft guns now they are driving through the country. those are out in the wild. militias that appears killed general yonas with the help of religious figures that were
involved with the council, you know all of this we do really know what's going to happen with the leadership where we knew some of those people were at least people put out in the front by the leaders. now the question is who is running the show and if anarchy breaks out you have a lot of weapons to head up the militia. >> remember jose baez coming up. is a top priority, 'cause without the fans, there'd be no nascar. just like if it weren't for customers, there'd be no nationwide. that's why they serve their customers' needs, not shareholder profits. because as a mutual, nationwide doesn't report to wall street, they report to their customers. and that's just one more reason why the earnhardt family has trusted nationwide for more than 30 years. nationwide is on your side.
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libya. the casey anthony acquittal unpopular 25-year-old florida mom who allegedly -- who was alleged to have but acquitted charges of killing her child. before we leave this topic and believe me folks when i tell you we are keeping one eye on any development when we get any news in the second half hour, this our second hour of the special broadcast concerning libya we will bring it to you in a heartbeat. we have a panel we respect deeply. military analyst bin laden was confirmed to have been killed i was with him. so your closing statement, general? >> geraldo it's a euphoric night for everybody qaddafi is gone. what i am afraid of tomorrow who will run the city who will take charge who will declare martial law who will feed the people.
i am deeply concerned with what's going on in the muslim brotherhood the potential there what is going on there ks and what is happening in israel. there a lot of things happening right now. they are going to create a lot of mischief and tripoli is a place where they will increase their ability to cause problems. i am very, very pessimistic if we don't watch it closely. >> middle eastern and well regarded author. >> this is an era what we can project is number one transitional government if will mover to tripoli into saudi arabia would be trying to help financially for a period of time so no humanitarian crisis will take place. this transitional housing will ensure the contract with regard to oil.
>> more importantly weeks from now we will be getting attention from the morris lambist and secular part. >> the west is more secular than the east. >> i think for iran, for syria for the remaining ought kratz of the world the transitional council have been courageous they will be courageous enough to answer it if they get it. >> we are only in the first act of the three act play what are they going to do settle or govern is qaddafi going to flee or fight? >> i doubt he is going to fight. where is he? i don't know. if we find out we will let you know. back in a flash.
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>> live from america's news headquarters i am lauren green. syria president hassan says there will be percussions from interfering with his country. syrian leader condemned worldwide for using deadly force attempting to brush crush a fivh old up rising. former ally turkey saturday called the situation
unsustainable. tropical storm irene is moving toward puerto rico and the u.s. virgin islands. winds have been clocked at more than 60 miles an hour. hurricane warnings are in effect. it will approach haiti and the dominican republic. most forecasts have irene hitting south florida by the end of the week. now back to "geraldo at large." >> as we keep one eye on libya this is a fox news alert. i can report with confidence casey anthony returned to the state of florida. ever since her stunning deeply unpopular acquittal she murdered caylee marie the 25-year-old mom has been outside of florida flying out of orange county in the early morning hours of july 6th on a private aircraft. we have also confirmed she was in fact for a time in the state of ohio.
photographs were taken of her. we can confirm those pictures are legitimate. that is indeed casey anthony you are looking at. i know how millions and millions of people will be jose baez who pulled off the legal upset of the century. great to see you. thank you for being with me. she is back in florida true or false? >> we brought her back that the appellate court rules sometime this week. we are going to follow the law wherever the courts follow the law and i am certain she will do what's asked of her if necessary and hopefully it won't come to that. >> before we get to what the appellate court is considering
where has she been hiding? i don't ask that you tell us you know exactly where and with whom but has she been in a facility or a private home? oo i can't talk about the comings and goings of my client. the safety concerns what i can say she is been with close friends of ours that have some what of a spiritual advisors and people who care and are trying to help her get on with her life. >> what do you mean by spiritual advisors? do you mean therapists? >> a combination of both, yes. >> has she been receiving intensive mental health counseling or is that still pending what happens now with this possible return to probation on the charges that she pled guilty to hiding amy
hue sang's checks she pled guilty receiver add year of probation. you felt she served that time. the clerk indicated she serve that had time concurrent to the time she was in jail waiting for her trial to be resolved. the judge ruled against you said she is going to come back and serve this probation. you are appealing that. now you have wrote her back hoping is that the appellate court will reverse the judge's decision but fearful it does not. where is she now? what is she going to do now? >> we are kinds of in a holding pattern type situation. she has served probation. according to that executive arm of the government she has served
her probation. we have a separate powers issue a double jeopardy issue and it's a mess right now. we are trying to figure it all out. as far as where she is at, we are concerned about her safety. we have her in a location that is very safe and she has people who care about her around her. she is just really just trying to get on with her life. it is proving to be extremely difficult. >> you say you have people around her who care about her is it not a fact she has friends the country's most unpopular person has no friends. does she have friends other than you or her legal team? >> that's the difficult thing to say. the people who have gotten to know her over the past three years have grown to care about her significantly. i have been fortunate to have a very good team with me throughout this journey and
there are people close to the defense that have grown to care about casey very much. the thing that did surprise me about her case is that she had very few friends. in fact none. i found that her friends that were so-called friends ended up being types of people who choose to capitalize off the situation more than they were concerned about casey or caylee for that matter. as it ended up being casey sits in a position where she as very few people in her life and few people who can be with her. >> is it true casey anthony has not a friend in the world? >> i wouldn't disagree with that, was as i have said people associated with defense who have grown to care about her significantly. we all consider ourselves friends of hers. however my situation i am her attorney first and foremost and
there are other people associated with the defense who have grown to care about her. >> okay. gotcha. >> lance would have been her daughter's fir birthday. has casey anthony been in touch with her family? >> she has had limited contact with her parents. >> has she spoken with her pair reptsz? >> yes, absolutely. this past birthday of caylee's was a very difficult time. i am sure it was difficult for the entire family but particularly casey. every time caylee has had a birthday it is -- it has been very difficult for her and you can only image what she is going through now in the ever changing aspect of her life right now and going on without caylee has been
very difficult. is there any chance on god's green earth that casey anthony will move back with her parents? >> that is not my decision to make that's hers. she is really trying to concentrate on getting counseling and therapy and trying to go to a place where she can be healthy and try to figure a lot of what's happened out over the last three years try to figure a lot of that out and go on with her life. whether a reconciliation is included in that aspect of her life i don't know. that is her decision to make. >> this is eating up our time justifiably. but has she spoken to her brother lee? >> no, she has not unfortunately. >> she has not spoken to her. is that her choice or his? >> i think it's really a
situation where she is trying to get a grasp of all that's happened to her. everyone wants to wush in and wants her to do things but quite frankly this is someone who has a lot of figuring out to do as to what is left of her life. i don't think people should be rushing to make her decisions she is going to make them as she goes along and gets more healthy and comes from a healthier place. that's what i think there's no rush on no timetable on. if it will happen it will happen in its due course. >> does she know the depth of the anger and even hatred that she has generated? >> i don't know. i have never had those types of discussions with her. but i can tell you that i don't think she is all that -- she is concentrating all that much on the coverage. the coverage is important to some people who have decided to
make this their entertainment. not entertainment for her it's her life and that is why i don't think she is paying a great deal of attention to the coverage involving her case. >> how will she serve if it the appellate court agrees with the judge. you worried something like happen to her? will she serve that probation with the casey anthony anti sentiment? oo i have been in touch with the department of probation. if our appeals are exhausted we plan on cooperating fully with them. i know she fully intends on doing that. whatever we end up working out with the department of probation you can be assured she will follow the letter of the law and follow her probation.
if we are successful in the appeal which we think we have a valid position she will be going on in the rest of her life. this has been over and done with. this thing is dragged on for whatever reason this has come back. certainly it's time for everyone w to move on and let everyone who is involved in this case go on. >> i have to say that i -- your client is your client. whatever you feel about your client that is one thing. but making you the victim of such a victory ol and anger and outrage you the attorney is out there. i think it has been harsh and understandably so. i hope you make that point. jose baez i am sorry we don't have more time to talk to you tonight. i am sure we will speak again in the future. thank you for being with me.
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>> as we monitor the events of libya ad let's go to had other important case fox news has been tracking her name robin gardener. she is missing presumed dead according to authorities in aruba. before we speak live in another at large exclusive with the man robin was living with she went off with a guy to aruba. we ha craig has been investigating. >> gary and her robin arrived july 31st. she disappeared two-days later on a snorkeling trip. it's the same beach where natalee holloway was. why would they go from this beach close by to the completely opposite end of the islands? >> aruban search and rescue teams responded quickly.
expert dive teams searched the waters while police combed the surrounding area while the businessmen claimed the traveling companion disappeared. >> we searched the water with lights with the police equipment we searched the water exclusively. >> according to taco stein the statement regarding the sea conditions that day seemed fabricated. >> what was it about his story that was inconsistent to you? >> when the police came to the scene we found the scene to be entirely calm. >> other red flags drew attention to the story according to insiders. the american seemed dry no trace of dive gear from the alleged victim was found in or near the area he claims gardener disappeared. no one at the dive shop where the couple was seen earlier
rendered dive gear. >> you could stand in most of this area? >> yes. >> his actions after the disappearance were also suspect. he quickly left the scene after a cursory search. he attempted to leave the island before his scheduled flight and reportedly attempted to collect on a 1 and a half million dollar life insurance policy just days after gardener disappeared. >> uz he the beneficiary if something happened to ms. gardener? >> i can't discuss it at this moment. >> what about the relationship between robin gardener a blonde covered in tattoos and gary giardano a businessman with a bad toupee? why would gardener said to have a boyfriend back in the states stay in his hotel room. pornographic photos of the couple were seen by authorities. >> you have spoken about
explicit materials being found on the camera ceased by him? >> what about that? >> i will leave it as explicit photos. >> they decided to conduct their own investigation into the former client's background. >> it was f for money he called himself a beneficiary he tried to collect the money then we have something to try to support the case. >> it runs until the 31st of august. we will seek an extension of the period. >> authorities believe the missing americans met with foul play. they are looking into robin gardener's past. why would she travel to aruba with a man she hardly knew leaving some to wonder if she is really missing at all. >> you are suggesting that robin gardener might be alive and in on the plot? >> i am saying the police have to investigate all possibilities
remember she had recently lost her job, her boyfriend even said her g mail account was active after she was reported missing it is possible gary hacked into the account but there's always a possibility. a million and a half dollars remember. >> i think she is dead the odds are or evidence suggests he killed her for the insurance money. let's talk to the live in boyfriend. he joins us live with another big exclusive. just carry new preparation h totables. discreet, little tubes packed with big relief. from the brand doctors recommend most by name. new preparation h totables. the anywhere preparation h. try smart balance buttery sead. 's heart-healthier than butter. with omega-3s. 64% less saturated fat. andlinically proven to help support healthy cholesterol. ♪ put a little love in your heart ♪
gardener live in boyfriend. on your right is the sister of -- a woman who gary threatened to kill her after she didn't allow her daughter to make a trip he wanted her to make but instead he took robin gardener there. richard forrester thank you for being with me. do you believe you heard craig suggest some belief she is are the nolly dead. you think there's a possibility your live in girlfriend is alive and in kau hootsz with sg gary get a million? >> i keep hope and faith she is still alive. i don't think she is in kahoots. >> the whole point of this is
she is lost somewhere, she is missing and we need to find her. she has been gone for almost 3 weeks. she is my girlfriend i love her very much. she is a daughter. she is a sister. she is an aunt. she has a family and she has friends. the whole point here is to try to find her. >> why did she go off with gary? >> i hope i get a chance to ask her that myself. >> do you think in the maneuvering and in the deceit that something was not the way you thought it was? >> there is always that possibility. we spent most of our time together. she and i were together five, six, if not seven nights a week. we worked very close together sparse location wise. we would go to work together go out and eat together. we spent most of our free time together. >> i know you are fearful she
met with foul play. are you also angry at being betrayed by her? >> that has nothing to do with anything. that effects me more than anybody else in this world, but that is again secondary. that is for when hopefully she is found she and i can have that discussion. i am angry that she is missing. i am angry we haven't found her yet. >> i hear you. carrie emerson you had this run in over your 18-year-old daughter taylor. how did he find her? >> my daughter was trying to be a model. we had a web page up on a well-known modeling site for her to get jobs on. he had contacted us through that site. >> he wanted you to do a photo shoot or her to do a photo shoot. how did you react when you said no i am not letting my 18-year-old daughter go with you? >> he told me i was allowed to get with him and when i refused
the trip all together he flew off the handle he got very violent on the phone. he told me things such as i can make you disappear. nobody will ever look for you. just extremely idiotic things for him to say to somebody he has never met before. >> when you heard the story of rob rob -- robyn gardner you were not surprised? >> i was actually shocked. i worked with models i have been on both sides of the camera. i have seen horrendous horrific things happen. i am trying to keep the search for robyn going and trying to give lectures and speeches to other girls to prevent this from happening to anybody else. >> good advice richard and carrie. sorry i don't have time because of the gigantic events in libya. i want to thank our guests tonight. thank you for watching. and a choice.
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