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>> a whole lot of legal questions around the boston marathon forker attack and how the case against dzhokhar tsarnaev will be played out. >> he will not be treated as an enemy combatant. we will prosecute through the civil system of justice. >> formal charges have been filed against dzhokhar tsarnaev. among those, a weapons of mass destruction. >> altsome point, he appears to look at his phone, which is held at approximately waist level and may be manipulating the phone.
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approximately 30 seconds before the first explosion, he lifts his phone to his ear, as if he is speaking on his cell phone and keeps it there for approximately 18 seconds. a few seconds after he finishes the call, the large crowd of people around him can be seen reacting to the first explosion. he glances to the east and then calmly but rapidly begins moving to the west, away from the direction of the finish line. he walks away without his knapsack. approximately 10 seconds later, an explosion occurs in the location where bomber 2 had placed his knapsack. >> i strongly disbrea disagree with the obama administration's decision to rule out enemy combatant status for this suspect at this time. >> we are moving up to the boat he was actually laying down on the side of the boat, one leg out, one hand out.
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as we got closer, he sat back up. >> he just sat up. he's moving, flailing about, quite a bit of movement. >> the suspect's in custody. >> tonight, dzhokhar tsarnaev goes to court at his hospital bedside. and there is more. the magistrate says he is lucid. adam housley is live in boston with the latest. adam? >> reporter: yeah, gret a. in fact, in the hospital behind me, there is significant security, downstairs and throughout the hospital. the u.s. marshal service has taken over the security situation of him specifically. they have marshalls by his room, in the hallway, all standard procedure when the macials take control. before that, it was local law enforcement and the fbi. so the marshalls will be in charge of him, until he is well enough to leave here. once that happen, he will fly out via helicopter, like whitey bowlser did.
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they feel like that's the best way to take him to his federal holding cell. how that went down today with the arraignment in his room, the federal magistrate was there, a public defender was there. he mostly answered with nods. obviously, he didn't speak a lot. that could be because there are reports of an injury to his neck. the fbi said neck/head region and to his leg and hand. he in serious conditionful he answered questions by nodding. he did say one word, when they asked him if he could afford a defense team, he said no. that's basic lite only words he really did say. the judge asked if he understood what was happening. his miranda rights were read to him. they decided to read him his miranda rights. those were given to him today as well. the security here is very tight. in fact, what is interesting is, he potentially might get out of the hospital later than many of his victims that are also here recovering. greta? >> adam, in terms what have went
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down before he was mirandized, was he interviewed by the fbi or anybody in the last couple of days since he was taken into custody? did he give him information that they considered valuable and helpful? >> reporter: we learned a cowl of things. 1; yes, there were questions asked of him. the first few hours if not more than that, they were worried about making sure should thguy survives. he got here on friday night in pretty bad condition. he bled from injuries nearly 20 hours. he was obviously in rough condition. so the number-1 priority was to make sure he survived to get information from him. questions were asked of him before he was mirandized. they haven't said of course, they are not going to give away what he said. i did talk to one law enforcement official that has a concern. the concern is this -- we are finding more and more about his older brother who, obviously went overseas, there is questions about how he trained. he's obviously somebody who was a manipulated personality.
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we are learning how he took care of his wife and by some reports, somewhat forced her or pushed her strongly to converse. he obviously is someone, we are hearing about his nature, was someone who was somewhat aggressive. so the worry about a couple of law enforcement folks is that the younger brother may not have as much information as the older brother would have had. they will learn that as they continue to go forward. but now that he has been mirandized that, changes everything as well. >> thank you. after the firefight and running over his brother, dzhokhar tsarnaev took off. the manhunt for him was on. friday night, a tip from a homeowner sending swarms of police racing toya watertown backyard and accused bomber number 2 was surrounded. listen to the dramatic moments, leading to his capture. >> getting a report from watertown of 67 franklin street. they have a boat with blood on it. they believe someone's on the
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>> good evening, chief. it was ray spectacular coordination between the local police, the state and the fbi nterms of a job well done, sir? >> thank you very much. it sure was. >> now, so tell me, when did your department first get wind that this chase was coming into watertown? >> we were in communication with cambridge, who had some gps device that was giving alerts to where the where the hir jacked car was moving, from cambridge towards watertown. eventually, we were made aware it was on the streets of watertown. >> so what happened then? >> our first officer observed the carjack, a black suv, and a second vehicle, driving in tandem down one of the side streets, a street called laurel street in watertown. the first officer saw them, radioed back to dispatch that he had them in sight. he was told, do not stop that vehicle until we get you some
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significant backup. unfortunately, the two brothers stopped, got out of their vehicles and immediately started shooting at my lone police officer. and the gun fight was on. they brought it to us. >> so what happened isn't first -- the first accused bomber, the 26-year-old, he went down first? was he actually cuffed, then was he run over by his brother? >> right. eventually, that's exactly what happened, greta. hisix or seven police officers come in right behind our other officer. it was a 10-minute gun battle before that happened. our understanding, at least 200 rounds were fired there in a very tight distance in a small side street. five explosive devices were thrown at my police officers, three of them exploded. one of them, my understanding, was very similar to the bomb that went off at the marathon. there was a lot going on in my officers, i couldn't be prouder of them, how they stood tall and defended that neighborhood. eventually, the older brother
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came out of cover, and came directly at one of my officers, shooting at him. >> well, as i understand it -- explain it to me -- they cuffed him and he was down when he was run over. was he moving and his brother kill him when he ran over him? >> we are not sure exactly. what happened just before that, the older brother came at our officer, they were within 10 feet of each other, with my officer, exchanging gunfire. and the older brother ran out of ammunition. another officer tackled him, threw him to the ground, two other officers hit him -- started to handcuff him. at the same time, the brother got in the suv and came roaring down the street. my officers had trouble hearing that because of so many explosions. and somebody was able to get their attention and they dove out of the way, just before being run over and killed by the brother. he did, market, run his brother over. my understanding is that he was dragged 40 feet down the street.
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>> all right. so that car disappeared. and the next thing you know, he's under a tarp in the back of someone's house. about how far away was that from where the scene was, where his brother was run over? >> right. probably a little over a half a mile, greta, from where the original gun fight. the car was abandoned and where the boat was, a half a mile distance from there. >> then, so then, were you there when they were attempting to take him into custody, when they had gotten notice that the boat tarps had been cut and the police have been summoned -- were you at the scene? >> well, my officers were the first ones to respond. obviously -- i was in the command post with the other agencies, federal and state and watching it on the down link from the helicopter. >> you know, it's just amazing what you were able to see with that helicopter. it's just extraordinary to identify that there was somebody in there. i realize you got a tip from the person who had gone into the house. what if you thermal imaging is
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amazing, isn't it? >> it's great technology. when the president said we were going to get assets, we certainly d. they were able to tell there was somebody in there. every time they moved, they were able to detect that. we knew he was in there and he was moving and obviously, he was alive. >> did he fire out at any of the officers? >> the fbi crime scene is still down there, processing that. there is a lot of things that happened down there. there was gunfire. we're still waiting for them to conclude before we can see exactly what happened. i haven't been told, know, what guns, what -- bombs were in that boat fany. we are still trying to piece that together. >> chief, have you to admit, it's amazing that he was caught alive, with all -- he had shot a police officer and there is so mitch confusion on the site. you don't know who is firing a gun. there is so much going on. it really is a credit to all the police and law enforcement on the scene that he was taken
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alive. it's amazing work, i think. >> it's incredible. greta, i have been on the job for 30 years. for 24 hours that we were in watertown, i couldn't have been prouder with the law enforcement profession. we worked so well together. everybody wanted to capture him. but we all worked together to make sure we did it together. >> yeah, i know everybody wanted to catch him. but everyone was at risk of getting shot by him. they knew he had fire power. it's quite extraordinary that everybody knew he wanted to kill, that he certainly knew he was on the run. the fact that all the police, you know that, he wasn't killed by the police just out of a sort of a natural fear or self-protection is extraordinary. >> right. i mean, the advantage we had, we knew he was bleeding. we had seen the blood in the car that he abandoned. we found some blood behind the house as we did the trail. so we knew time was on our side
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and we could take it slow. that was to our advantage and we did take advantage of that. >> chief, thank you, sir. >> sure. thank you. >> tonight, there is a new controversy heating up. the obama administration saying tsarnaev will not be treated as an enemy combatant. what does senator lindsay graham think about that? nice to see you, sir. i understand, you wrote the statute. >> i have two goals, one, to bring him to justice, through federal court. he was never eligible for military tribunals because he's a military citizen. i wrote that law. what i want to do is find out what he may know about terrorist connections and future plots. now we are down to this, if you don't hold him as an enemy combatant, where you can question him without a lawyer, our intelligence is limited to what his lawyer will allow him to answer. >> you can be a foreign -- an enemy -- war with the united
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states. and an enemy combatant, where you are connected to a foreign group, trying to do harm to the united states. you can be taken into custody by the military, 30 days and questioned. after 30 days, you are sent to the civilian system? >> in his case, he was never eligible for trial by the military. that's different. i am talking about gathering intelligence. there are two systems in play, to prosecute him for the crimes and to collect intelligence to protect me and you against future attacks against our nation. >> did he qualify for -- >> we don't know yet. it's monday. we caught him friday. the obama doctrine -- four and-a-half years, we have called osama bin laden son-in-law, he walk an enemy combatant. he was the spokesman for al qaeda after 9/11. this president has not designated anyone as an enemy combatant. what does that matter? all the information that led las from enemy combatant that we
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interrogate the over a long period of time. i want to be able to talk to him without a lawyer present to gather intelligence about future attacks that may have come our way. none of the information can be used against him in his trial. i am know worried -- a first-year law student can convict this guy -- >> with the videotape. >> with a million things. >> with the videotape. >> i am worried about having time with him to establish a rapport and to gather intelligence without his lawyer being present. >> one of the oddities of the statute, in order to be eligible, you have to have a connection to -- >> al qaeda. >> how much time do you have to find that? someone doesn't announce i'm al qaeda. >> this is the way it works. if i were president of the united states, here's what i would do in this case. i would say there is plenty of evidence to suggest this is a radical jihad attack. it was motivated to kill as many americans because of radical jihaddist thought, that the older brother went to daggastan
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in chechnya. chechnya has produced more fighters for al qaeda than any place on the planet, other than the mideast. i would say, we want to other than more about what the brother did in this radical part of the world -- i don't believe this guy. he has every reason in the world to deny he is a low-level guy. i want to take time to put the puzzle together. we didn't know 3 days after 9/11 if osama bin laden was involved. this was a ridiculous concept to have to make the decision in 3 days. i don't want to use any of the information against him in court. he has every right not to self-incrimination. i want to collect information about future terrorist activity. we have every right to question him apart from the criminal justice system to protect the rest of us. we have been doing that for a decade. >> you want to hold him for 30 days, debrief him and everything he says in that debriefing -- anything he says could not be
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used against him i. i don't want to hold him more than 30 days, but within 30 days, he can -- >> habeas corpus. the government has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he's guilty of the crimes crimes andd him as an enemy combatant, you have a prpdz proponderrance of the evidence that he's in a terror group. >> you think a threshold has been met that he's part of a terrorist group. >> i would clearly say, this is a mas terror attack. they were clearly trying to kill as many americans as possible. they set bombs in a way to kill as many americans as possible. >> they tried to shoot the cops. they tried to throw bombs out of the car. the older brother was identified by russian intelligence as a
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radical islamist. he visited a part of the world that is very dangerous. all of that would allow me as president to say, i want to find out more in the national security legal system, not the criminal justice legal system. >> the new york times editorial board said mr. graham's reckless statements made a mockery of the superb police work that led to the capture. >> the new york times won't defend the nation against radical islamist attacks. the cops did a great job -- >> they did a great job. >> the lawyer who is representing him will do a fantastic job. but if we limit our intelligence to the criminal justice system and not use the national security system i'm talking about, guess what? no lawyer will allow to you talk to their client unless you promise not to seek the death penalty. >> a plea bargaining. my client i. exactly. >> my client will give up "x" if the feds give up the death penalty. >> under the obama
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administration, we are down to gathering intelligence through plea barg ang, that has never been the law -- we have taken these cases. >> i tell you what the problem is. the plea bargaining will be done a year from now. i mean i. exactly -- >> i don't want to make your case. but plea bargaining i. i am worried he may be lying to us. i am worried that the brother when he went to the radical part of the world that we need to look very closely at what this guy knows. he may be lying to us. i am worried about next week and the week after, not a year from now. >> nice to see you, sir. >> thank you. >> straight ahead, one accused bomber is dead after a firefight with the police and the brother driving over him and the other brother in the hospital, described by a mag street -- magistrate as lucid. and police want to question the wife of tamerian tsarnaev. what does she know? terror suspects living under our noses. did they show any signs of hating america? hear from a neighbor who knows
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>> do you know who katherine russell is? lan tsarnaev's wife, now widow. federal authorities want to question her about her husband and brother-in-law. did katheryn russell tsarnaev have any clue about the bomb plot? wpri tv reports live in north kingston, rhode island with the latest. what can you tell me about his wife, and where is she? >> well, at this point it looks like she's actually here in north kings town at her family home right now. there's really not much i can tell you about katheryn except what her lawyer is telling us right now and what neighbors are telling us. neighbors have been is what is leading the whole investigation to finding out who katheryn is. we know she went to high school in rhode island. she's a rhode island native. she's been living here her whole life. the last few months or maybe the last year, all the neighbors are saying she's changed a little bit. in high school her friends say that she was outgoing, she was in the art club, wanted to be in
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the peace corps. then one neighbor said the last year she hasn't seen her too much. she converted to islam and hasn't been seen as much in the neighborhood and has been a lot more quiet. that's pretty much what we know of her at this point. we do know that the fbi has definitely trying to get in contact with her for the last few days, though. >> i understand that she -- she claims -- no reason to disbelieve her -- that she works 70 to 830 hours aweek and basically she's the bread winner. i'm not so sure what her husband is up to except maybe no good with a pressure cooker. but she supports him and they have a child, is that right? >> yeah. greta, we are told at this point by her lawyer that they have a two and a half year old child child who is also at this home in north kingston right any. lawyer said she was working 70 to 80 hours a week as a home medical care aid worker. you know, at this point it looks
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like, you know, the lawyer is saying she didn't know anything about this. in fact, during the bombing in boston the lawyer says she was at work and assumed that tamerlan was watching her two and a half-year-old daughter, you know. clearly according to authorities at that point, that's not the case. >> who was watching the child? maybe the plot thickens? is somebody else involved? maybe tamerlan said i'm going to go bomb the marathon, can you watch my child? >> you know, who knows who was watching the child at this point. i'm not sure if the child was duly at this north kings townhome or was up in cambridge where i know they also had an apartment. the lawyer says that they actually lived here the vast majority of the time and also at this north kings townhome i'm told the younger brother, dzhokhar, he would also come on the weekends and spend a lot of time here in speaker when he wasn't as school. >> steve, thank you.
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killing and major more and scarring others for life. they were living right in the city for years. a neighbor knows both of the tsarnaev brothers but says it was tamerlan who had something against the american government. they had a heated argument about u.s. foreign policy. nice to see you, sir. >> hey, nice to see you. >> tell me, how did you first meet the two brothers? was it just living in the same building in is that how you knew them? >> i met the older brother two weeks prior into moving into the apartment under them. i met him at a pizza is shop across from my high school. >> what was tamerlan like? >> my first interaction with him was he was sitting at a table at a pizza shop across my high school and he was talking to another kid that used to go to cambridge latin high school. i overheard the conversation and
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he was basically explaining the koran to the person he was sitting with and the differences between the bible and the koran. i noticed in a way he was idolizing the koran and trash talking the bible. i was very interested in the topic and i didn't know much about religion, whether it's christianity or islam, and he seemed like he was very well-educated about both so i wanted to join the argument or the discussion. so, yeah, i basically joined the discussion, which then he -- so then i had a discussion with tamerlan. he was basically -- he was railroad passionate about what he was talking about, which was that the bible was a cheap copy of the koran, and that the american government used the bible as an excuse to invade other countries. then our discussion kind of shifted from religion to foreign
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policy and the american government. his belief on that was that the american government was still al onize the middle east and africa and afghanistan and iraq, most casualties were innocent bystanders gunned down by american soldiers. >> was this discussion before or after he went for six months to russia? >> i believe before because two weeks after words i moved into the apartment and that was only two months ago. >> all right. when you moved into the apartment, did you ever see him bringing pressure cookers in? did you ever talk about bombs or did he talk about any organizations, anything like that? >> no. i only saw him once a week maybe. but they kept to themselves. i see him maybe coming into the apartment or leaving the apartment, sometimes in his car. yeah, we would only talk for a
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minute or less, just say hi, how are you. sometimes he would drive by me in the car and honk and wave. >> did you ever see his wife and child? >> not while i was living there. the first time i met them was on friday when i was at the police station. >> what, the wife and the child? >> yes. the wife and the child. >> did you talk to the wife when you met her at the police station? >> no. she was with two officers and she -- they were bringing her inside the building and outside of the building and i would only see her a couple times. there was an old lady at the police station that she gave her -- she gave the wife her phone because she asked for it. when she came back, the old lady, she mentioned how upset she was, how upset the wife was and that she was crying. >> what was the relationship between the two brothers, the 26-year-old tamerlan and his younger brother? >> like i said, i did not know
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them that well so i couldn't really answer that question. i only met the younger brother once and that was two weeks ago. yeah, i have never seen them together. >> did you think there was anything unusual or peculiar about the younger brother? did he seem hostile toward the u.s. government or towards other people? >> no. and the only time i met the younger brother was, like i said, two weeks ago. all we were talking about was cambridge latin high school, the school he used to attend and he was asking about old friends of his, how they were doing. we did not mention religion. all we were talking about was his social life. >> did the older brother ever mention be longing to any group at all, any foreign group? >> no, he did not. i do remember when we had the argument at the pizza shop. i mentioned how some people, some muslims, radicals, how they would blow themselves up, suicide bombers and do it and
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say they do it for allah. and he said islam is all about peace and love. and he was not one of those stare typical radicals or muslims. >> thank you for joining us. >> no problem. >> tonight they continue to pound the pavement looking for information about tamerlan tsarnaev's trip to chechnya last year. they have ties to the russian republic but the question is are they tied to any terrorists? former u.s. ambassador john bolton joins us. >> good evening. >> how do we determine if there was a tie between them and a foreign terrorist group? what do do you. >> i would go back to the russians who first raised this two years ago and see what they know. the russians and chechnyans have a long mystery of warfare. and recently the chechnyan's
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efforts at independence have got exploited by islamist have recruited them into the ring. it has to do with islamic extremism. with rush huh and the local authorities in chechnya and other sources that we have, this merits a very, very full investigation. >> what is your sort of preliminary impression? they could be part of a group or they could be almost copycats forming their own little cell and doing terrorism on their own. what is your sort of thought as sort of the possibilities here? >> i don't think we know enough at this point. that's one reason why the decision to insert the younger brother into the criminal justice system is such a mistake because if his lawyer does what a typical criminal defense lawyer does, we are never going to hear another thing on this subject from him. so the extent of the connection, were they simply providing money, were they providing direction and control, were they
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providing morale support in the radicalization of these two young men or frankly were they sent over ten years agoos trialed soldiers and simply exploited at the present time? it is all worth checking out and it's gotten harder now that we aren't going to have the opportunity to question the younger brother. >> the gap of information, the gaming gap, what was he doing in russia for six months? we don't know that. >> i think this is a question, when the russian authorities come to us and give us the information, you know, you take it with a certain grain of salt. the russians don't like the chef the chechnyans. i remember hearing how bad certain people thought they were and integrated how they are with the terrorism. but it's a mystery how we missed
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this and didn't exam the brother further then. >> it's a question we will probably find out in days to come. he boarderd a plane so you russians would be following him. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> coming up, liz cheney said the administration was too quick to read the accused bomber his rights. she's here to tell you why next. and more disturbing news, and more disturbing news, another terror plot unc [ rosa ] i'm rosa and i quit smoking with chantix. when the doctor told me that i could smoke for the firsweek... i'm like...yeah, ok... little did i know that one week later i wasn't smoking. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostilityagitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these stop taking chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of depression or other mental health problems, which could get worse while taking chantix. don't take chantix if you've had a serious allergic
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another terror plot uncovered. >> our investigation and the evidence found indicated that the accused were conspiring to carry out a terrorist attack using rail, passage or train in the greater toronto area. briefly the charges include conspiring to interfere with transportation facilities and murdering persons for the benefit of a terrorist group. >> the planned mass transit terror attack foiled. it was reported the train was
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>> today a federal magistrate in boston traveled to dzhokhar tsarnaev's hospital room and advised him of his constitutional rights. liz cheney said the obama administration should not have jumped to do that so quickly. why? she joins us. hi, liz. >> hi, greta. good to be here. >> you think it was wrong to read the miranda rights. tell me what you would have done and why. >> you know, i think, greta, what we had here was this
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unbelievable heroism on the part of the boston police department, on the part of the first responders to catch this guy and bring him in alive. the purpose of having him alive is so you can ask him questions, so you can understand, for example, where was it that they learned to make what appeared to be very complicated detonator devices for the bombs? whereabouts it they received the financing for the bombs? what was the older brother doing in russia? what were their ties to radical islamic jihad? there was a whole host of questions for national security that would be improved if we had answers to. but once again the obama administration really rushed in to let him know he has a right it remain silent and to make sure there was a public defender there. you can be sure now that we won't be able, as you have been discussing, to go the answers to those questions. >> what i thought was interesting, if i understand senator lindsey graham correctly, is what he was proposing is by making him an enemy combatant, that he would
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be turned over to the military to be questioned for a period, 30 days, and whatever he said during that 30 days could not be used against him when he gets turned back over for a federal trial. i think that's what he said. you know, which is different than what i think some people thought he meant originally. but anyway, i also thought it was interesting that the defendant is, according to the magistrate, and we have a copy of the transcript from the court hearing today, is that he is alert, mentally competent, and lucid. they did talk to him a little bit. i guess they might have got some information out of him the last day or so, would you expect? >> you know, i think what we have to do here, greta, as you are pointing out, is to separate the whole notion of what would be admissible in a criminal trial. i think there's very little doubt that he will be found guilty in a criminal trial; that he very likely will receive the death penalty. there's a lot of evidence out there that points toward his conviction. that's not the issue, though. and i think what we are seeing
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is, unfortunately, a pattern with the obama administration. they are very hesitant, you know, we've seen time about time again they come out after an attack like this, after fort hood, for example, after the underwear bomber, after that terrorist attack janet napolitano comes out and says lone actor, lone actor, no connections to international terrorism. there's no way they know that and there's a lot of evidence that points in the opposite direction. they seem very hesitant to assert or even frankly investigate any ties to islamic jihad. they don't want to talk about islamic jihad. and when you face the fact that that is, you know, the world that we live in, there is a war underway, we are, frankly, being attacked by islamic jihadist, when you have a government that instead wants to immediately put everybody into the criminal justice system and stop asking questions, i think it raises a real concern. >> liz, thank you. i agree, he's probably going to get convict the. when you commit a crime on tape
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>> tamerlan tsarnaev caused a disturbance at a cambridge mosque. was it a red flag he had become a violent radical? >> greta, this is the mosque in cambridge where the suspects came, suspect number 1 tamerlan regularly attended friday's prayers and his younger brother came at least once. we now know religion played a big part in his life. apparently three months ago tamerlan got very upset when his mom compared martin luther king, jr. to the prophet muhammad. >> it happened on the 18th of january. it was close to martin luther king's day. i believe it was also close to the occasion of the birthday of
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the prophet muhammad, according to the islamic calendar. so, you know, the theme of the sermon was about great men like dr. martin luther king, like the prophet and what drove them, their sense of mission. and what we can learn from their lives and how we can be inspired by those examples. so when the person that was giving the sermon started talking about dr. martin luther king, this man got up and objected. raised his voice, which is against the etiquette of the sermon. and people objected to it. some people might have even asked him to leave, you know, the mosque if he didn't like what he was hearing. you know, after he -- we're not sure if he left, but after the incident people sat down with him and explained to him, and he seemed to understand. and nothing happened after that.
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he did, you know, come to the mosque, you know, on friday. not every friday but he was here. he continued to come even after the incident. some people said that he said something to the effect that you cannot compare or make a parallel between a prophet is a a -- and a non-mormon. some said he was giving the sermon as a hip crist there was one incident prior to that when the same person was delivering the sermon. but it wasn't as, you know, like the second one. the person was talking about something he didn't approve of and then he spoke to the person after, you know, after the prayer had concluded. >> did he bring his brother to the sermons with him, his younger brother?
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>> from what i have been told, that his brother, for friday prayers, apparently people have mentioned that he only came once. >> did his wife ever come? >> i am not sure about that. when the younger brother was still, you know, hold up in that boat, people here in this mosque even offered to the fbi that we could go and help, see if we could talk him into surrendering peacefully. >> coming up, a welcome surprise for the people of boston. you have to see who showed up to help the city. help the city. that's next. copd makes it hard to breathe...
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